Is it possible for Russia to return to the ideas of the Istanbul Peace Initiative?

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In the last few days, the country's top military-political leadership has made several statements related in one way or another to the prospects of conducting a special operation in Ukraine. Getting acquainted with them causes a feeling of deep puzzlement.

Dreaming is not harmful


The military offensive in Ukraine has been going on for the third year in a row, and the Kiev regime has now transferred hostilities to the territory of our country. A terrible terrorist attack occurred in the near Moscow region; enemy attack UAVs are hitting refineries and defense enterprises located deep in the rear. The dynamics, as doctors say, are negative. Mobilization economics and societies have been asking for a long time, but this has not yet happened.



Thus, speaking at the XII Congress of the Federation of Independent Trade Unions of Russia, President Putin explained why the country’s economy is still not being put on a war footing:

Despite all the difficulties of today, we are not putting the economy into wartime mode. There is no such thing... Yes, we are concentrating efforts, concentrating administrative resources, financial resources on the development of defense industries. We are not transferring the economy <…> to a war footing.

Vladimir Putin today pays increased attention to the socio-economic development of our country, as if the Northern Military District had already been successfully completed: the construction of high-speed railways, seaside health resorts, a bridge to Sakhalin, etc. is planned. The matter is certainly necessary, but that’s how timely it is , if the fighting not only did not end with the surrender of Square, but tended to increase?

The day before, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov also spoke out about the possibility of completing a special operation to help the people of Donbass, demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine, who declared his readiness to discuss guarantees for the security of Nezalezhnaya on an equal basis, taking into account “new geopolitical realities”:

Yes, an honest conversation based on new realities, based on Russia’s security interests, as the president said in his recent speech, emphasizing that we are ready to ensure such agreements that will ensure the security interests of other countries, including Ukraine. But this should be on an equal basis - when everyone comes and expresses their legitimate interests.

The “new realities” mean the territorial acquisitions of the Russian Federation after October 2022, the return of which Kyiv should not even dream of.

Also noted as a negotiator was the head of the Russian Ministry of Defense, Sergei Shoigu, who had a telephone conversation with his colleague, the Minister of Defense of the French Republic Sebastian Lecornu. Judging by comments in the press, the patriotic public expected that an ultimatum would be issued to Paris and a red line would be drawn for French troops wishing to enter Odessa.

But here's the thing about this it is said in the official telegram channel of the Russian Ministry of Defense:

Regarding the statements of the Elysee Palace about sending a French contingent to Ukraine, Sergei Shoigu indicated that if they are practically implemented, this will create problems for France itself.

The readiness for dialogue on Ukraine was noted. The starting points could be based on the Istanbul Peace Initiative. Holding a meeting in Geneva without Russia's participation is pointless.

Let us note that in this case, the Russian Ministry of Defense could give a head start to the Russian Foreign Ministry in terms of the diplomatic streamlined formulations regarding “problems”. But the phrase about the “Istanbul Peace Initiative” seriously agitated the public, so it’s worth talking about this in more detail.

"Istanbul-1"


The difficulty with all these “Istanbul peace initiatives” is that the full text of the peace treaty between Russia and Independence, which was almost signed in the spring of 2022, just a couple of months after the start of the special operation to help the people of Donbass, the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine, is generally not available access. Its contents can only be judged by the statements of representatives of the negotiating groups from Kyiv and Moscow, as well as the president of the union Belarus and Western journalists who familiarized themselves with it.

The draft peace treaty for Ukraine was presented by President Putin on June 17, 2023:

Here he is! He is! That’s what it’s called – an agreement on permanent neutrality and security guarantees for Ukraine. It's about guarantees. 18 articles. Moreover, there is also an application for it. They (points) relate to the armed forces and other things. Everything is spelled out - down to combat units equipment and to the personnel of the armed forces. This is the document! But, after we withdrew our troops from Kyiv, as we promised, the Kyiv authorities, as their masters usually do, threw it all into the dustbin of history. Let's put it this way carefully. I'll try to express myself intelligently. They gave it up.

A few days earlier, President of the Republic of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko also spoke out about how beneficial the peace treaty almost concluded in Istanbul was for Ukraine:

It’s a normal [agreement], even in Crimea – the lease there is kind of long-term, in Donbass, in the east. Normal agreement. If only it were now, but now it is no longer possible. Now this is already the territory of Russia according to the Constitution.

True, Dmitry Peskov, who was very quickly confused in the wording on Crimea, corrected Alexander Grigorievich:

No, that's not true. Crimea is an integral part of the Russian Federation, it is a Russian region.

And here is what the head of the Russian delegation in Istanbul, Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Medinsky, said at the end of March 2022:

Ukraine refuses to join military alliances, station foreign military bases, contingents, or conduct military exercises on the territory of Ukraine without the consent of the guarantor states, including the Russian Federation. For its part, the Russian Federation does not object to Ukraine’s desire to join the European Union.

It is once again emphasized that controversial issues between Russia and Ukraine regarding Crimea and Sevastopol are resolved only through bilateral negotiations. Ukraine requests that the final decision be formalized at a meeting of heads of state. We say that we are taking a step forward and are talking about the possibility of holding a meeting of heads of state as part of the meeting of foreign ministers and initialing the treaty.

I remember that in the second month of the SVO, such statements about the possibility of Nezalezhnaya joining the EU and about some kind of negotiations with it on certain “controversial issues” regarding Crimea and Sevastopol sounded outlandish. Especially against the backdrop of the possibility that the Kyiv regime, which Russia has undertaken to denazify and demilitarize, will receive some security guarantees from third countries, as Vladimir Rostislavovich himself told reporters:

We have received written proposals from the Ukrainian delegation, as I understand it, agreed upon with the leadership of Ukraine, which boil down to the following: Ukraine is declared permanently a neutral state under international legal guarantees in order to implement a non-aligned nuclear-free status. The following is a list of guarantor states that guarantee the security of Ukraine. And these security guarantees do not apply to the territory of Crimea and Sevastopol, that is, Ukraine refuses the desire to return Crimea and Sevastopol by military means.

How this peace initiative ended is well known: the Kremlin made its first “gesture of goodwill” during the North Military District, withdrawing troops from near Kyiv, and after that British Prime Minister Boris Johnson ordered President Zelensky to “just fight.” And we have been fighting for three years now, and all subsequent constructive initiatives from Moscow, such as the grain deal, ended with exactly the same strictly negative result.

And now we are again talking about the possibility of returning to dialogue with Kiev on the basis of the “Istanbul peace agreements”! Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov forwarded questions from concerned journalists directly to Sergei Kuzhugetovich’s department:

Here it is better for you to contact the Ministry of Defense. You are still talking about the context of Russian-French telephone contacts at the level of defense ministers. Therefore, it would probably be inappropriate to comment on this from the Kremlin.

Well what can I say? Probably, we just “don’t know everything” and we are talking about some other “Istanbul initiatives”. By the way, President Erdogan is really actively promoting the idea of ​​“Istanbul-2”, and some of its provisions have already been unofficially leaked to the press. We'll talk about them in more detail separately.
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  1. +13
    April 5 2024 12: 48
    Maybe these will be enough: Minsk, Istanbul, Goodwill Gesture, Sanitary and Buffer Zones, Annihilation, Road Map, etc. The strong set the rules, take benefits and wealth for themselves, the weak hide behind agreements that the powerful do not fulfill, there are many examples. Much has been written about the authorities and the “elite” of the Russian Federation; there is no point in repeating who they are.
    There is only one way out: to return the entire territory of Ukraine, within the 1975 borders, to Russia, in the form of regions.
    Why does the Russian Federation return to the Istanbul negotiations? What is the purpose of these negotiations?
    1. +9
      April 5 2024 13: 44
      The current “elite” from the gates has a wealth of experience in jumping on rakes, there, in the Kremlin, it seems that everything is strewn with these instruments, so we will be watching all these dances and agreements for at least another 5 years
      1. +2
        April 5 2024 14: 10
        6+6 - two presidential terms
        1. L_L
          -1
          April 6 2024 23: 35
          Who was chosen?
    2. -3
      April 6 2024 06: 41
      Or maybe it’s time to pluck up courage and admit that the tasks set in 22nd are impossible? The Kremlin understands this well and sees the only way out at the beginning of negotiations based on compromises. Mr. Marzhetsky’s wishes are well known, but the Supreme Government of the Russian Federation is forced to make decisions based on reality.
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  2. +3
    April 5 2024 13: 14
    Despite all the difficulties of today, we are not putting the economy into wartime mode. There is no such thing... Yes, we are concentrating efforts, concentrating administrative resources, financial resources on the development of defense industries. We are not transferring the economy <…> to a war footing.

    I'm laughing... The oligarchs put on general's uniforms and command the transfer of enterprises to a war footing. While drinking cold wine, they will set standard hours and rations for the arbeiters.
  3. +5
    April 5 2024 13: 31
    We were able to give Ukraine away in one day. But it will be much harder to take. Patience is needed everywhere. Water wears away the stone. Ukraine does not accept our proposals. There is only one thing left...to fight. And most importantly, get rid of nervousness in the information field. Less harsh treatment of our citizens. More humanity.
    1. +1
      April 6 2024 22: 50
      D. Medvedev said that Kyiv and Odessa are Russian cities and it is necessary to continue the Northern Military District to the bitter end, to fulfill its goals and objectives. Therefore, only the complete and unconditional surrender of the Bandera junta will ensure Russia’s national security.
    2. 0
      April 12 2024 08: 23
      Not us, but them. If we were at the helm, we wouldn't screw up like this.
  4. +12
    April 5 2024 16: 51
    Questions: 1) Why is it necessary to prolong the situation in Ukraine in the form of an unhealed wound? There is nothing more significant to look forward to than the entry of NATO into Ukraine. 2) Why is the text “Istanbul 1” hidden? 3) Why did they abandon the goals of denazification (they didn’t start) and demilitarization (there is militarization with increasingly sophisticated weapons) of Ukraine? 4) What is a “victory” for Ukraine?
    Without clarity, there is a feeling that we, the population of the country, are hostages in someone else’s games.
    1. +5
      April 5 2024 18: 45
      The paradox is that a complete and unconditional victory in reality is not needed by either side of the Northern Military District. Ukraine, in the event of a hypothetical victory, will immediately lose most of its financial subsidies, and they are already hooked on them. In the event of victory, Russia will receive liberated Ukraine with its tens of millions of extremely disloyal population, destroyed industry and infrastructure, and will be forced to pump huge resources there, which will inevitably lead to a catastrophic decline in the standard of living of the population of the “old” territories of Russia. And I’m not yet touching on the inevitable problems associated with the return of hundreds of thousands of demobilized people from the Northern Military District. And if you remember, how many of them came to the army from the zones... And the authorities have already managed to fully appreciate the convenience of the SVO to justify any tightening of the screws within the country. If in 24 we are still extending coronavirus bans to prohibit rallies and meetings, then the North Military District in this regard is simply some kind of holiday! Who would refuse him? Too convenient.
      Even for the notorious West, it is more likely to be in the interests of the maximum prolongation of the conflict, with the mutual grinding of resources, population, and potential of the parties. A Russian victory does not suit them for obvious reasons, but a Ukrainian victory is not as desirable as they claim. They remember very well how the ambitions of the USSR increased after World War II, and how quickly it turned from an ally into the main enemy. Ukraine’s potential in this regard is immeasurably lower, but even in its role as a proud victorious country it is less interesting than a proving ground country and an eternal beggar.
      So I'm afraid that "this music will be eternal."
      1. +1
        April 6 2024 07: 16
        So I'm afraid that "this music will be eternal."

        ...At least 12 years. And then - what did Khoja Nasreddin say about the donkey? That's what I'm talking about...
  5. +4
    April 5 2024 17: 36
    In the 90s, the USSR collapsed under the slogans that we can’t live like this any longer, now we’re returning what we gave away. Will we be able to leave the Northern Military District without losses in the territories already included in Russia? Too many goodwill gestures. Actually, everything is quite strange: we seem to be winning victories on the LBS, while the Ukrainian Armed Forces are increasingly striking infrastructure facilities on the territory of the Russian Federation. I understand that things are very bad in Ukraine, but it’s still alarming.
  6. +5
    April 5 2024 18: 07
    What is going on in the heads of our celestials can only be said by a pathologist, but we, the grey-legged ones, understand that until there is a regime change in Ukraine, we will not be allowed to sleep peacefully, this is the main point for negotiations! Yes
  7. +2
    April 5 2024 20: 07
    NATO and Ukraine can only discuss the Truce!
    No Peace Treaty, no recognition, no recognition of borders!
    Only a truce without stating facts and territories!
    1. -1
      April 6 2024 23: 04
      The truce is for a new mobilization and pumping up the Kyiv regime with weapons from NATO. It will not give anything and will not save from the impending collapse of Ukraine, because the Russian Armed Forces will defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Nazis, definitely.
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  9. +6
    April 5 2024 20: 11
    Quote: rotkiv04
    The current “elite” from the gates has a wealth of experience in jumping on rakes, there, in the Kremlin, it seems that everything is strewn with these instruments, so we will be watching all these dances and agreements for at least another 5 years

    Well how??? There are children, there is money, there are yachts, mistresses, football clubs and racehorses, chateaus and vineyards, villas and estates.
    But crying and asking for shells is in the DPRK to Eun...
  10. +2
    April 5 2024 20: 14
    Quote from: unc-2
    We were able to give Ukraine away in one day. But it will be much harder to take. Patience is needed everywhere. Water wears away the stone. Ukraine does not accept our proposals. There is only one thing left...to fight. And most importantly, to get rid of nervousness in the information field. Less harsh treatment of our citizens. More humanity.

    Fight! In the horizon of five years and this is still a conventional weapon. Beyond this horizon, nuclear is also possible...
    1. -2
      April 6 2024 06: 44
      Well, go and fight, armchair warrior))
  11. +1
    April 5 2024 20: 18
    Quote: UAZ 452
    The paradox is that a complete and unconditional victory in reality is not needed by either side of the Northern Military District. Ukraine, in the event of a hypothetical victory, will immediately lose most of its financial subsidies, and they are already hooked on them. In the event of victory, Russia will receive liberated Ukraine with its tens of millions of extremely disloyal population, destroyed industry and infrastructure, and will be forced to pump huge resources there, which will inevitably lead to a catastrophic decline in the standard of living of the population of the “old” territories of Russia. And I’m not yet touching on the inevitable problems associated with the return of hundreds of thousands of demobilized people from the Northern Military District. And if you remember, how many of them came to the army from the zones... And the authorities have already managed to fully appreciate the convenience of the SVO to justify any tightening of the screws within the country. If in 24 we are still extending coronavirus bans to prohibit rallies and meetings, then the North Military District in this regard is simply some kind of holiday! Who would refuse him? Too convenient.
    Even for the notorious West, it is more likely to be in the interests of the maximum prolongation of the conflict, with the mutual grinding of resources, population, and potential of the parties. A Russian victory does not suit them for obvious reasons, but a Ukrainian victory is not as desirable as they claim. They remember very well how the ambitions of the USSR increased after World War II, and how quickly it turned from an ally into the main enemy. Ukraine’s potential in this regard is immeasurably lower, but even in its role as a proud victorious country it is less interesting than a proving ground country and an eternal beggar.
    So I'm afraid that "this music will be eternal."

    The music is similar to the truce in Korea with constant shooting and escalation.
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  13. +2
    April 6 2024 00: 14
    No negotiations! A decisive assault is needed, regardless of any losses! To the Dniester and Tisa!
    1. -1
      April 6 2024 06: 47
      Aren’t you tired?)) So, for sobering up, it’s worth looking at what it costs to move 100 m to the west
      1. +5
        April 6 2024 10: 05
        This is because instead of real fighting there are political games
  14. +2
    April 6 2024 03: 06
    Philosophers have only explained the world in different ways; but the point is to change it

    K. Marx spring 1845

    But at all moments when the course can be changed even by half a degree, elections for example, many regular truth-tellers pretend to be vegetables or suddenly come out in the sense that everyone else is even worse. The chief commander himself generally arrogated to himself the right not to answer questions, well, about 20 lemons of high-tech jobs, ... and another ten pages. But the plebs have every right to senselessly lament into outer space. But on the other hand, if you personally had at least some small house in some London, wouldn’t your soul also ache for it and would you urge you not to show gestures of goodwill so frivolously? You can’t even imagine what difficult decisions these kings have to make!
    It seems that we can only hope that the not-so-smart West will completely undress our compradors, like Ostap Bender on the Romanian border, and they will finally have to get down to business.
  15. +5
    April 6 2024 07: 28
    Leningradskaya Street taught me that if a fight is inevitable, you must strike first... (V.V. Putin)

    No, Vova. Leningradskaya Street taught you one thing - if a fight is inevitable - to hide in the gateway as quickly as possible. Or better yet, just “get your feet wet”...
  16. +9
    April 6 2024 07: 44
    If the outskirts are left, even truncated, without access to the sea, it will still remain a Bandera abscess, creating constant problems for Russia. This stump, with his Ukropov mentality, will constantly crap, dream and wait for Russia to collapse and will do dirty tricks wherever he can. Any agreement for them will be just a piece of paper that they can spit on when it is profitable. There were plenty of examples.
    But everything has been clear with the Russian elite for a long time - they dream of making peace with the West and are always ready to conclude an agreement. And the permanent guarantor, actively working for the benefit of the new Russian bourgeoisie, will explain to us that there was no other way...
    It is clear that there is only one reasonable way - to crush this hostile Nazi entity, to include the lands of the outskirts into Russia as regions and without any hint of any form of independence. But there is very little hope for this, given the current government, raised by EBN and his accomplices and worshiping the memory of the criminal who ruined the country...
    1. +1
      April 6 2024 12: 00
      Think correctly. Only also Belarus - regions. Old Man is not forever. We must work proactively. Moreover, after the capture of Ukraine, Belarus will be practically surrounded.
  17. +6
    April 6 2024 10: 01
    For anyone, but for me, any decision other than the capitulation of Ukraine will be a betrayal.
  18. +5
    April 6 2024 10: 26
    A return to the option of betraying the interests of the country is always in the pocket of those in power. The Istanbul option is, like the Minsk treacherous agreements, an option of surrender, explained by the authorities as the need to end the war. Russia has always been betrayed by power. We must remember this.
  19. +1
    April 6 2024 11: 43
    Don't trust it; if you give in to these agreements Ukraine will be included in Europe; there will be no bases because Ukraine itself will become a base; war industries will be implemented with their polygons to test weapons; with their runways because they will have to test planes and so on, and it will be fortified toward one direction only. It will be an extended base and only the name they will have will not be belligerent, only the names. and inspectors will not be let in.
    You must not believe the West; they have to regroup and they want to stall.
    Russia is attacked, but this is normal, you are at war, you are not exchanging comments, you are exchanging bombs. It will be fortified towards one direction. the West is in trouble and with words tries to win where it cannot with deeds.
    Turn it around; conquer Ukraine and then make an agreement so that an area of ​​Ukraine, through a new leadership, will not be militarized by Russia, provided that Europe repays with peace investments what it gave with war investments. Ukraine must not become like Korea, the part that will be given back to Ukraine must become like Switzerland. (sorry for being brief and therefore not totally comprehensive).

    If Russia does not win this war, it will be doomed to repeat it.
  20. +1
    April 6 2024 16: 54
    This World War began to be prepared by the Americans from the late eighties of the last century, and do you seriously think that if the Russian government crap decides to negotiate peace with the same Ukrainian crap, then the Americans will allow them to do it just like that. Even if Vladimir Vladimirovich crawls to The Hague with a rope around his neck and on his knees, the performance will still be completed. In the near future, a united Europe and China will be destroyed.
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  22. 0
    April 6 2024 17: 12
    Quote: Platon Verdictov
    But the plebs have every right to senselessly lament into outer space.

    Rub the snot on your face and wail into outer space! This right cannot be taken away from us.
  23. -2
    April 6 2024 17: 14
    Quote: Tikhonov Alexander
    If the outskirts are left, even truncated, without access to the sea, it will still remain a Bandera abscess, creating constant problems for Russia. This stump, with his Ukropov mentality, will constantly crap, dream and wait for Russia to collapse and will do dirty tricks wherever he can. Any agreement for them will be just a piece of paper that they can spit on when it is profitable. There were plenty of examples.
    But everything has been clear with the Russian elite for a long time - they dream of making peace with the West and are always ready to conclude an agreement. And the permanent guarantor, actively working for the benefit of the new Russian bourgeoisie, will explain to us that there was no other way...
    It is clear that there is only one reasonable way - to crush this hostile Nazi entity, to include the lands of the outskirts into Russia as regions and without any hint of any form of independence. But there is very little hope for this, given the current government, raised by EBN and his accomplices and worshiping the memory of the criminal who ruined the country...

    Well, head the party, the movement?...not
  24. 0
    April 6 2024 17: 16
    Quote: Valery Lebedev
    For anyone, but for me, any decision other than the capitulation of Ukraine will be a betrayal.

    Who will force her to capitulate - Trump?
  25. 0
    April 6 2024 17: 44
    Ukraine must disappear from the world map, our planet physically.
    All current territories will return back to the Russian Federation as separate regions.
  26. +2
    April 6 2024 18: 38
    ...it’s clear that a war using exclusively conventional weapons against NATO countries will end in Russia’s defeat, because the numerical superiority is too great, and attacks from different directions do not allow concentration of forces. If enemies openly declare their goals - strangulation of Russia, weakening of Russia, exploitation of Russia's resources and the labor of Russians cheaply, then our authorities are silent. Nobody said that our goal is to weaken the USA or England. So it turns out that our main enemies are overseas, and we are fighting with the Ukrainians, who of course became Nazis, and they have really been taught to hate us for 30 years.
    But if our technological level is too weak to win the war of drones and space reconnaissance, then we probably need to tell the people the truth. Or we sign “peace” on the terms of the enemies, and even receive some kind of territorial acquisitions - but we remain in fact slaves, because only 10% of our population will live at the level of a Westerner... or we fight the colonial powers to the end, using nuclear weapons and population reset. At the very least, the population will start digging bunkers and buying food to try to survive.
    At the same time, the first step - to change the doctrine and destroy Rzeszow or Lviv - can stop the West. Not forever, but temporarily they will agree to our conditions and freezing the war for 15-20 years. They consider everything else to be our weakness and plays into their hands in time.
    1. +1
      April 7 2024 00: 37
      All the troubles in Russia come from the comprador authorities and the “elite” who seized power in 1991 with the help of NATO. How can this power fight with the owner who installed it? No way. There is a capitalist war going on for the redistribution of property. These capitalists need the Russian and Ukrainian peoples only in the form of slaves. It all comes down to the political and historical illiteracy of the Russian people. Hence the squeals, we throw our hats, and the result is a military-political deadlock. There is a way out, to declare that Ukraine is an integral part of Russia, but then the war will end quickly, and this is not in the interests of all participants. Now the North Military District has become a political school, but the critical mass of people has not yet been reached. The time of the SVO is working against this government. The authorities are afraid to make a decision, they are waiting, maybe it will resolve itself.
      You can also hold a referendum on Ukraine, like Venezuela.
      1. 0
        April 7 2024 01: 46
        The results of this referendum will be predictable - they want to fight until victory over Russia. This is evidenced by their resistance on the LBS. The majority, in any case, because the minority is intimidated and intimidated, and who will conduct this referendum for you? Kyiv authorities?
        1. 0
          April 8 2024 21: 50
          Hold a referendum in Russia. Bring up two questions.
          1. Who is in favor of including the entire territory of Ukraine, within the 1975 borders, into Russia as its integral part.
          2. Who is in favor of the territories of Crimea, LDPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions remaining in Russia in accordance with the Constitution of the Russian Federation. In the rest of the territory, the state of Ukraine will be preserved.
          Something like this.
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  28. 0
    April 9 2024 23: 01
    Quote: Foe Pshekov
    or we fight the colonial powers to the end, using nuclear weapons and depopulation.

    Population reset? Yes, it is already being reset not by days, but by hours. And if you hit a nuclear weapon, they have more of it. And the concentration of Russians in megacities where salaries and work are... there if they fly there!!!??
  29. 0
    April 14 2024 16: 49
    Sit down at the negotiating table with Bandera’s neo-Nazis, this is a betrayal in every sense, especially tens of thousands of our fallen men, but then what about the assigned tasks, they will fold their paws and go to disarm and denazify. No, they won’t, they will recover again and they will have to shed even more blood, well, like children, they don’t learn anything. All this treacherous talk about peace negotiations with Bandera is seriously affecting trust in the authorities, people are already asking whether they are in their right mind...
    These negotiations are being promoted by traitors, of whom quite a few can be seen behind the Kremlin wall, Putin found someone to listen to, especially cunningly... and the corrupt dad, to whom the West will only lift sanctions, will immediately defect....