Will C929 fly without Russian participation?

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In 2014, President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin paid an official visit to the People's Republic of China. It was at this time that an agreement was concluded on the development of the Russian-Chinese aircraft C929 (originally CR929). It was assumed that the new airliner would be created jointly by the United Aircraft Corporation and the Chinese company COMAC. The participants in this project planned that the new aircraft could become a full-fledged competitor to Boeing and Airbus.

For the first time, a scaled-down model of the new Russian-Chinese aircraft was presented to the general public at the international aerospace show China Airshow in Zhuhai (China). Even then it was known that the first deliveries of new airliners to potential customers were to start in 2026–2027, and the cost of developing the aircraft would be $13–20 billion. The price of the aircraft itself in the first year after the start of sales was estimated at 113,5–117,8 million dollars, which made it 20% cheaper than its main competitors.



If we talk in a little more detail about the technical parameters of the new airliner, then its basic version, designated CR 929-600, will have 280 seats on board, and its flight range will be 12 thousand kilometers. The youngest is CR 929-500 (230 seats, 14 thousand kilometers), and the oldest is CR 929-700 (320 seats, 10 thousand kilometers).

Two years later (in 2018), a full-size model of the future airliner was presented at the same exhibition. Representatives of the Russian side then emphasized that at the moment the aircraft developers are at the stage of preliminary design and selection of optimal suppliers of the main systems of the C929 aircraft. By that time, a joint company (JV) China-Russia Commercial Aircraft International Corporation (CRAIC) had already been created, which provided support for this project, synchronizing the activities of the United Aircraft Corporation and COMAC.

In 2019, a full-size model was demonstrated to the public at the MAKS air show in Zhukovsky near Moscow. At the same time, the first disagreements between the project participants became known. Thus, the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China could not agree on which state would become the holder of the aircraft type certificate, and the division of construction costs largely depended on the resolution of this issue.

In September 2021, COMAC began assembling the first prototype of the aircraft. At that time, the Russian side was developing a composite wing, wing mechanization, engine suspension system and main landing gear. In addition, in the same year, China published the “Civil Aviation Development Plan (2021-2025)”, from which it followed that the Chinese market’s need for wide-body aircraft over the next 20 years exceeds that of the domestic market by approximately 20 times. It can be assumed that this became another stumbling block, since already in 2022 information appeared about a possible reduction in the participation of the Russian Federation in this project, the reason was the decision of the Chinese side to replace some of the components for which the Russian side was initially responsible with Western analogues. The difference in the capacities of the Chinese and domestic markets could play a decisive role in this. Simply put, the Chinese side did not want to share the possible profits on their own market, which would play a key role in the operation of the new airliner.

A little later, the Russian side confirmed that the project was not developing in the direction in which it was originally intended. Yuri Borisov, who was the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation at that time, said that China was becoming less and less interested in Russia’s participation in this project. This development of events made our country’s withdrawal from the joint air event increasingly likely.

The head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation, Denis Manturov, also commented on the current situation, noting that the status of the Russian side within the framework of this project can be transformed into a regular supplier of components. The reason, he said, is that our country clearly understands the risk of China using components produced in third countries, some of which are unfriendly to Russia. This development of events makes the project extremely vulnerable, given the nature of our country’s relationship with the West.

Another confirmation of the statement by our officials could be seen at the 2023 air show in Le Bourget (France). As part of this event, at the stand of the Chinese aircraft manufacturing corporation COMAC, a mock-up of the CR929 was demonstrated without the inscription “CR929”. In addition, it lacked the logo of its Russian partner, the United Aircraft Corporation. Many experts concluded that the authorities of the People's Republic of China simply refused to play it safe, fearing pressure from the West.

It is impossible not to note another interesting one: a couple of months later, already at the air show in Nanchang (China), a mock-up of the aircraft was presented under the new designation “C929”, which once again may indicate the complete withdrawal of the Russian side from the joint project.

The most serious problem after the transfer of Russia from a full partner to a regular component supplier will be that domestic airlines may have problems purchasing the C929, because the presence of Western parts in its design will most likely make its export to the Russian Federation impossible.

In conclusion, I would like to add that the fate of this project largely reflects the geopolitical changes taking place in the world in recent years. Political relationships between states are increasingly influencing the global the economy. The sanctions policy of various countries has led to the fact that Russia, to put it bluntly, finds itself left out of this project. China preferred to choose a more economically sound option, for which we can hardly blame our partners. Now the authorities of our country will have to look for other ways to solve the looming problem associated with the shortage of passenger airliners, or believe in the success of the MC-21 and Sukhoi Superjet New.
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  1. +5
    April 4 2024 18: 05
    As I understand it, the Chinese are haunted by the SuperJet’s laurels? Which then had to be urgently redone? In addition, the question about the engines on which the Chinese will fly is unclear. If they are Western, then we can assume that the PRC, in general, does not have any aircraft. Because they definitely won’t let him go for export, and even inside the country they will land him at once..
    1. 0
      April 5 2024 13: 23
      And arrange the same thing that they arranged for Russia regarding Taiwan, why not? The scale of the impact is enormous. On Chinese New Year, when they all go.
  2. +10
    April 4 2024 18: 10
    The USSR flew its own planes! There is no need to invent anything. Revive the past!
    1. +2
      April 4 2024 19: 07
      Quote: Avtandil
      Revive the past!

      This, unfortunately, is not possible for many reasons.
      1. +1
        April 4 2024 19: 15
        Do you have the will and desire?
      2. +5
        April 4 2024 19: 22
        Quote: Igool
        This, unfortunately, is not possible for many reasons.

        The main reason here is one - a thief cannot create, he can only steal. We live in a state where thieves have seized power.
        1. -1
          April 4 2024 20: 19
          Quote: yuriy55
          a thief cannot create, he can only steal. We live in a state where thieves have seized power.

          Yes, you're out of luck...

          And we live in a state in which new bridges, subways, roads, hospitals, and spaceports are being created. New nuclear power plants, icebreakers, trams, 3D printers.

          Today, for example, a perinatal center was opened in Donetsk.
          1. +5
            April 5 2024 01: 13
            But in Khabarovsk another maternity hospital was closed.
            But with the stubbornness of famous animals, high-rise human ghettos are built.
            1. -2
              April 5 2024 09: 55
              Quote from Voo
              they are building high-rise ghetto-human settlements.

              Those. Don’t you even like the construction of housing for ordinary citizens?

              As for medicine, last year you opened a new infectious diseases building at the regional children’s hospital, and it’s not bad either.
              1. +3
                April 5 2024 10: 31
                Half of the apartments in these ghettos are empty, surrounded by fences, so why be happy? Seeing an infectious disease specialist?

                1. +1
                  April 5 2024 10: 35
                  They are trying to build a lot of things here, for example, in the village of Nikolaevka EAO with a population of 6196, they want to build a crematorium. That’s right, two hectares, it’s not rubber.
              2. +3
                April 5 2024 11: 54
                Nothing is being built for ordinary citizens. They build for the rich.
                1. -2
                  April 5 2024 13: 21
                  Quote: Twice-born
                  Nothing is being built for ordinary citizens.

                  Are you unlucky, are you writing from Ukraine?

                  In the Russian Federation they build, and for ordinary citizens, and they build a lot.
                  Just above are links to a children's hospital in Khabarovsk and a perinatal center in Donetsk - is this for the rich?

                  “Cheloveiniks,” as some call them, are for the rich?
                  1. +2
                    April 5 2024 19: 05
                    Yes, the outskirts in the Moscow region are really nice!
                    Average Russians cannot buy simple housing. They can’t even afford mortgages, there’s not enough money! For the majority of the poor Russian people, Moscow people are, yes, for the rich. One-room apartment costs 10 million! Yes, people outside Moscow cannot even buy a two-room apartment for a crazy 5-6 million! Just like now cars at astronomical prices for 3 lamas on average!
                    You can buy?! This means you are richer, but not in a foreign sense. But in Russia we live according to our own concepts.
                    But Donetsk and Crimea are not indicators. Now it is an exhibition and postcard of Russia! All the money is poured there, in addition to Moscow and St. Petersburg, and huts there are distributed free of charge to the victims, which we in big and old Russia have never dreamed of since the collapse of the Union!
                    In my regional center, no hospital has been built over the past 30 years. And it’s 9 thousand km to Khabarovsk, and somehow people from there are still fleeing to central Russia!
                    1. -2
                      April 5 2024 19: 43
                      Quote: Twice-born
                      For the majority of the poor Russian people, Moscow people are, yes, for the rich. One-room apartment costs 10 million!

                      This is how they build in Moscow - 5% of the total construction in the Russian Federation.
                      In the region there is much more, 15%.

                      And 80% are in other regions.

                      Quote: Twice-born
                      In my regional center

                      And in which one?
                      1. 0
                        April 5 2024 20: 00
                        You post these statistics to Putin, but we don’t need to lie. Apparently you are reporting to him about the state of the country.
                        If I wanted to write where I live, I would write right away. You don’t write something about who and where someone is from, but you need to know about others! It’s not enough to understand that the Moscow region? Obviously not your outskirts, as you like to accuse critics of almost anything!
                  2. +2
                    April 6 2024 03: 34
                    That’s why human settlements are a ghetto, where you won’t meet a Dubrovka resident
                  3. +1
                    April 7 2024 13: 00
                    Imagine - yes. They tell you straight away that the salary is 80 thousand and Russia is in 5th place in the world in terms of purchasing power. A person with a salary of 40 thousand needs to pay it all over 20 years to buy his 40 m2. provided, of course, that the price does not rise. Most of them still have their parents' home.
                    1. 0
                      April 7 2024 17: 10
                      The most interesting thing is that in the course of implementing the president’s desire for a progressive tax for persons with excess income, the State Duma discussed and decided that this was necessary. Aaaand...it will be considered that persons with an income above 80 thousand rubles fall into this category. What about the oligarchs? And the oligarchs themselves...



                      Those. citizens participating, for money, in the SVO, with their salaries - oligarchs....
            2. +1
              April 7 2024 12: 49
              Moreover, the price tag for housing is Moscow. The houses are half empty.
        2. +1
          April 5 2024 09: 24
          Quote: yuriy55
          Quote: Igool
          This, unfortunately, is not possible for many reasons.

          The main reason here is one - a thief cannot create, he can only steal. We live in a state where thieves have seized power.

          Power was seized by people with an active lifestyle. Yes, unfortunately, and with a low level of morality. But in this matter, activity is more important than morality. Therefore, YOU are now sitting in a chair and working for THEM, who live in reality and make real policy.
  3. +1
    April 4 2024 19: 41
    Anufriev, in this situation, one thing is important - whether we managed to transfer technology or not. China itself is not capable of making such an aircraft.

    If you have time, then it’s complete.
    1. +3
      April 5 2024 09: 51
      Don't worry, we made it.
      I will say more, we continue to supply them now.
      It’s just that we are no longer creating this aircraft with two people, but are ordinary suppliers of parts.
  4. +2
    April 5 2024 00: 19
    How long can you chew the same thing?
    It's been clear for a long time.
    will fly without Russian participation.

    I would like to launch my own planes here, but... well, “I couldn’t, I couldn’t” - according to the joke
  5. +1
    April 5 2024 04: 30
    Our example benefited the PRC, trading on the Russian market, giving preference to Western goods, naturally for a bribe, we have a critical state of the aviation industry. And how can the Chinese cooperate with Russian top managers who have compromised themselves?
  6. +1
    April 5 2024 12: 01
    I had no doubt even then that this plane would not be made!
    They can’t come to an agreement with themselves within the country, to divide the money, and our nouveau riche will certainly not be able to with the greedy Chinese, or with anyone else! And also because our aircraft manufacturing industry has collapsed and hasn’t done a damn thing since 14. This is perfectly proven now by the non-production of even long-developed and improved proven Soviet aircraft!
  7. +1
    April 5 2024 12: 24
    Although it is a negative experience, it is, of course, bitter to realize, but this is reality. You need to learn from your neighbors to conduct business this way, draw the right conclusions, not sulk in vain, but take systematic measures. The road will be mastered by those who walk, not those who jump on the spot. Personnel policy Ours is, to put it mildly, rather weak. You need to evaluate and ask questions based on the results of your work.
  8. +3
    April 5 2024 18: 09
    am There are no unsolvable problems, with proper funding, everything can be solved, we have ready-made projects Tu-214, Tu-334, Il 96M, so we need to reinvent the wheel again, everything has been worked out and we can continue to work again!
    1. 0
      April 6 2024 09: 22
      There is funding, and it’s not weak, but nothing has been done! The third year of war and isolation has already begun, they have not even started production of our proven and improved Soviet aircraft! And the hoarse Manturov, Mishustin, etc. promised that everything would be as always in 2-3 years. But now they have passed and are again postponed to the same fabulous 2-3 years and again allocate new hundreds of billions! Where did they go?! After all, they gave it to the entire launch program at once. And everything is still in its place!
      And the main thing is that this is 10 years after the annexation of Crimea, the triumphant Sochi Olympics and the beginning of bourgeois sanctions and import substitution! When it became clear to everyone, except for “our” authorities and the aligarchs, that we were being forcibly screwed over in everything and isolated. In 10 years it was possible to create any industry and direction from scratch, as Stalin did with industrialization in the 30s, but no!
      So it's not about financing.
  9. 0
    April 6 2024 16: 12
    Russia cannot create a new engine for the airliner - there is no participation in the project. It's simple. The Chinese do not need promises, but an economical, powerful and reliable engine that can be quickly repaired in case of malfunction. This is civil aviation and economic calculations are a priority for the Chinese. The PRC, not the Russian Federation, cannot afford to transform the PD-35 into a PD-28 with an unclear result in the end. They don't have money for such fun.
  10. 0
    April 7 2024 15: 54
    In 5-7 years, Russia will start buying them from China, because... The 777 and 350 available today will not last forever. If, of course, the engine manufacturers approve the sale
  11. 0
    April 9 2024 11: 23
    Everything is very simple. Before the start of the Northern Military District, China was the main integrator of the project, Russia supplied the composite wing and a number of systems, engines, main avionics and a number of other systems to the West. After the start of the Northern Military District, the West gave China an ultimatum - to throw the Russians out of the project. Otherwise, no engines or avionics. Well, I had to throw it away. At the same time, apparently, China managed to negotiate that something needed would remain from Russia - perhaps a composite wing. In response, the West told China that this aircraft could not be supplied to Russia.
    The bottom line is: apparently, some of the first batches will use the Russian wing, then they will copy it and replace it; they will not be able to supply this aircraft to us. Question: What should we use to fly far? Answer:
    - remnants of Boeing and Airbus are still alive
    - Tu-214D and Il-96M-400
    - a new national 2-engine aircraft for PD-35 in the version for 300 passengers per 10 thousand km.
    Here is the breakdown of this story...