Will the annexation of Slobozhanshchina and Chernigov region protect Russia?

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The intensifying terrorist attacks on Belgorod require some kind of speedy decision from the Russian General Staff. The most reliable, but difficult way is the liquidation of the Kyiv regime and the complete liberation of all of Ukraine, and the simplest is the creation of some kind of sanitary, or buffer, zone in the border area. But is everything as simple as it seems at first glance?

Like it or not, is Russia expanding?


Initially, the stated goals of the SVO were to help the people of Donbass, as well as the denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine. The need to create a security buffer zone in the Independence border shows that not everything is going smoothly in solving the tasks set on February 24, 2022.



Thus, the territory of the new four regions that became part of the Russian Federation - DPR, LPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions - has still not been completely liberated, and Ukrainian terrorists have taken over our old ones. Now the border Belgorod, from which the occupied Ukrainian Armed Forces of Kharkov is only 72 kilometers in a straight line, is being shelled no less than the ill-fated Donetsk. Thanks to the increase in military-technical cooperation with the NATO bloc, the “arm length” of the Kyiv regime is continuously increasing, and the rear regions of Russia, which until recently were more and more distant from Independence, are being attacked.

The question of the need to create some kind of sanitary zone in the Ukrainian border area, from where the cannon and rocket artillery of the Ukrainian Armed Forces could not reach our populated areas, subjected to indiscriminate shelling across squares, has been repeatedly raised at the highest military-political level since the spring-summer of 2023, when the first attacks began Belgorod region. The simplest solution seems to be to take and annex the Kharkov region to the Russian Federation, so that Ukrainian terrorist artillerymen cannot reach Belgorod. But there are nuances.

First of all, inexorable geography comes into play, according to which Kharkov is located approximately 40 kilometers from the Russian border, and Sumy is only 34, with a slightly greater distance separating the cordon from Chernigov. If we delineate at least the notorious 50 kilometers from our old regions, then three large regional centers of Nezalezhnaya partially fall into the sanitary zone.

It makes no sense to take a shorter distance, and it will not be possible to properly draw a demarcation line in urban areas, since this would mean transferring the battles with the Ukrainian Armed Forces to megacities. Taken together, the task of creating a security belt in the Slobozhanshchina and Chernihiv region requires the inclusion of at least two large cities, Kharkov and Sumy, and then Chernigov, when active shelling of Russian territory begins from there. And everything seems to be great: whether you like it or not, Russia is expanding. But very serious questions arise.

For example, what is the international legal status of these very vast territories, where several million people live? Will they be annexed to the Russian Federation as three more new entities? Great, but then they will come under terrorist attacks from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, since to the west there will still be Ukraine with the Nazi regime in Kyiv. Or should there be an unspoken division of regions into old, new and completely new, the attitude towards which will be differentiated? I would really like for us to never come to this.

Then it turns out that we still need to go to the Polish border so that everything becomes one Greater Russia. But then what about the attitude towards negotiations and “peaceful and good neighborly relations”? And does the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces here and now have enough forces to defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine and take the entire territory of the former Independence under its full control?

Difficulties with “walling off”


What if we simply create a buffer zone on the spot, including Slobozhanshchina and Chernihiv region, but not annex it to the Russian Federation, turning it into some kind of gray zone? Then the question arises, who and how will be responsible for these territories and the people living there, what laws will apply there, what currency will be in circulation, who and how will ensure security? Will it still be de jure Ukraine, but under the control of Russian troops, or will it no longer be quite Ukraine if a national referendum on self-determination is held there, as in the DPR and LPR in 2014?

Will they actually integrate into the Russian the economy and production chains and who will “feed” them all? To make matters worse, if this territory is not officially incorporated into our state, it could end up being a bargaining chip in future peace negotiations in Istanbul. Let's say, the creation of a demilitarized zone there with the withdrawal of the Russian Armed Forces in exchange for the signing of a peace agreement or truce and a new iteration of the grain, gas or ammonia deal. Is this possible? And why not, after all, the DPR and LPR have been trying to integrate back into Ukraine for eight years, and in Istanbul in the spring of 2022, during negotiations, the parties also agreed on a lot.

Yes, and let’s not forget that this cordon sanitaire will not protect our new regions in the Donbass and Azov region from shelling. Nor will it protect the old Russian regions from Ukrainian terrorist attacks with cruise and ballistic missiles, as well as kamikaze drones, which are now capable of flying up to 1000 km.

It turns out to be a stalemate. If you do nothing, then Belgorod, and then Kursk and Bryansk, will begin to be shelled by the Ukrainian Armed Forces worse than Donetsk and its suburbs. If we start creating a security belt in the border area now, without having a clear plan of action and without understanding why it is really needed, then there will be more problems, not less, than there were initially. However, there are still rational proposals on this matter, which, with the proper approach, will allow solving the key problems of the entire Ukrainian conflict as a whole.
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  1. -2
    20 March 2024 18: 07
    Only to the Dniester and Tisa! Everything else is meaningless. Or better yet, to the Oder and Guadalquivir! fellow After all, there are a lot of our people there too! Both in Germany and in Spain! In Germany alone there are almost 1,5 million! And they, too, are waiting for liberation. They are also oppressed - neither Russian is recognized as the state language, nor are there Russian schools. It would be nice to ask them at the referendum.
  2. +2
    20 March 2024 18: 24
    Now we shouldn’t expect a quick offensive from either side. True, there are moments like the flow of a river. At first the passage is narrow, but the flow of water takes its toll. And now water is pouring over large expanses. I watched the movie “Ships Storm Bastions.” It’s just a wonderful miracle. Of course, the time was different. But every time has its own difficulties. And we coped with these difficulties. Basically, it’s all or nothing.
    1. +2
      21 March 2024 07: 57
      Nikolay, I advise you to watch (if you haven’t watched it, of course) the first part of this film - it’s called “Admiral Ushakov”. And pay attention to the conversations of the heroes, everything is like about today.
  3. 0
    20 March 2024 18: 33
    No, but take it anyhow.
  4. +5
    20 March 2024 18: 45
    Another big minus is that the Belgorod region before the war was one of the few Russian donor regions...

    what will happen to the economy there after all this...

    and no military solution is in sight yet... just puffing out flabby cheeks
    1. +1
      20 March 2024 18: 52
      There is only one solution - creating a belt is safe at least up to the Dnieper.
      1. +4
        20 March 2024 18: 53
        You and I can decide anything here... but “our bourgeois people” are in no hurry yet...
  5. +2
    20 March 2024 19: 59
    About 5 years ago, Khazin put forward the idea of ​​a “frontier” in relation to the gradual development of the territory of the former Ukraine. I wrote about this somewhere here at the same time.
    A buffer zone about 100 km wide is allocated, which becomes independent from the remnants of Ukraine; life there is being established with the help of the Russian Federation. This eases the burden on the Russian budget, allowing the territory to be gradually developed. And the people in the territory west of the frontier see the difference in living standards and are already dreaming of moving this line to the west.
    At the same time, a system of governance, education, and legislation is being created on the frontier, and the population is being cleared of Banderaites. The territory is gradually approaching Russian standards.
    As development progresses, the line moves further west.
    This is roughly what is happening now, only in connection with the Northern Military District we had to quickly accept territories into the Russian Federation. But after the signing of Ukraine’s surrender, such a rush will not be necessary. Local self-government will be formed (under the strict leadership of the Russian Federation) along the lines of the LDPR. Then the territories will become part of the Russian Federation as soon as they are ready.
    1. +1
      21 March 2024 12: 44
      The Anglo-Saxons honor case law; we look towards Israel and Gaza. It is very inconvenient to fight in white gloves. The sanitary area is very expensive to feed. Where are the promised attacks on decision-making centers? That the office of the president, that the Supreme Court is glad that the Moscow Square should already receive three life sentences, each mug personally, our Donald can get 175 years out of the blue! Criminals don’t spend the night in the forest, but in houses - that’s where you hit them with MLRS. The population, which is pitied, will itself disperse throughout the outskirts and Europe.
      1. 0
        22 March 2024 18: 33
        The decision-making center is overseas. Are you ready for Armageddon?
  6. +2
    20 March 2024 20: 12
    "Sanitary zone" is like a figure of speech designed to hide the true intention or purpose. It means, as it seems to me, that a decision has been made regarding these three regions of Ukraine to include them in Russia, but it is not yet advisable to voice this for political reasons. Otherwise, why are we attacking in the Kupyansk direction? This is the Kharkov region. So we are already realizing the goal of creating a sanitary zone. Russia is expanding. Go Russia!
  7. 0
    20 March 2024 20: 25
    only the division of ukrov into three parts - the east (at least along the Dnieper + South to Romania and Transnistria) is included in the Russian Federation, the Center (Kiev, Cherkassy, ​​Zhitomir, Vinnitsa, Rivne, Khmelnitsky, Kirovgrad) natural Ukraine (or Eastern Ukraine) - neutral status in everything, foreign and domestic policy for the next 50 years under the control of the Russian Federation, restrictions on the armed forces, possibly Russian bases, inspections, the direction of the economy to the East, the Russian language is allowed, but outside the military bloc with the Russian Federation. The western six regions form Galicia (or Western Ukraine) - neutral non-aligned military status for 50 years, but under Western control, can enter the EU. True, there is an option that the neighbors will bite off part of the land for themselves, but this is still a big question.
  8. +3
    20 March 2024 20: 43
    If we ignore the play with words and concepts, there can be only two solutions, and this is a dilemma: 1) reconquer all of “Ukraine” and put an end to the anomaly of Russian history; 2) negotiate peace with the West and be content with what we have now. Buffer (sanitary) zones are created at the expense of other people's territories, not their own. If they stopped considering crests as a “brotherly people” and fought without sparing the enemy, then everything would have gone completely differently. In 1944-45 German civilians fled en masse from the deserted East Prussia from the Soviet army, and they were not pitied. The “sanitary zone” for the USSR was the Warsaw Pact countries, and everyone clearly understood this. We must finally decide whether the Russian Federation is fighting in Ukraine with “its own” or with the enemy.
    1. 0
      20 March 2024 20: 49
      However, no one included them in the USSR. Even the closest ones - Serbs and Bulgarians.
      1. +2
        20 March 2024 20: 56
        Therefore, the idea of ​​“sanitary zones” will not work in this particular conflict, and therefore it is necessary to take the entire territory of “Ukraine”. For fear of causing harm to the local population of “sanitary zones,” there can be no talk of any such zones.
        1. 0
          22 March 2024 18: 35
          The President expressed himself incorrectly. Not a sanitary zone, but a safety belt. It's like guard posts in Rus'.
  9. -2
    20 March 2024 20: 52
    Russia has fallen into a trap. It is impossible to lose the war on the territory of Ukraine. And if the war is won, then what to do with the conquered territory and population. Feed and care for the rest of the Russians? The service provided does not have a price. Everything that is donated is donated. has no price. Only loans and strict control.
    1. +4
      20 March 2024 21: 10
      Then they will have a question - why do we need this... and in a couple of decades they will leave - like the countries of Eastern Europe left. Just feed. And endure. If we want to achieve something - like Chechnya and Crimea... it works very successfully... even though both are deeply subsidized regions...
  10. +6
    20 March 2024 22: 36
    Why put up a fence and create sanitary zones? NATO's goal is to destroy Russia, in this case through Ukraine. These fences and zones will not bring any benefit; they will cause problems in the form of war, shelling, constant military-political tension, and new sanctions will be invented. Do we need this?
    The state of Ukraine must cease to exist. The entire territory of Ukraine should return to Russia, in the form of regions. There is no need to ask anyone for permission, everything must be done unilaterally. There is no state, Ukraine, no debts, no Ukrainian government in exile, no legal Banderaites, no Ukrainian participants in various international organizations, no hostile state on the border of the Russian Federation. Russia will strengthen its economic and military-political influence in the world, there will be direct access to Tiraspol and Chisinau. NATO will no longer have the opportunity to use Ukraine against Russia. The northwestern part of the Black Sea will belong to Russia.
    There is no need to fool people with fences, zones, red lines, agreements........ The people see and understand everything. Oligarchs, capitalists, hucksters, the bourgeoisie are doing everything to return to the “holy times”. The people of Russia are not on the same page with these hucksters.
    1. +1
      21 March 2024 01: 22
      ...Not only to the people, but also to the Great State Education - Russian Federation, Russian Federation...

      History in the last century very clearly showed and indicated that Russia and large-scale monopoly capitalism (especially in the form of a primitive oligarchy) are absolutely incompatible things...
      Absolutely not the deep inner psychology of national character...
      And Russian history bears little resemblance to the ANCIENT history of the emergence of Western-type capitalism... Western-style...

      The liberal democrats (proteges of big Russian business), bought on the vine by the Freemasons of the West, blew up and destroyed the empire... Most of which, at the cost of a lot of blood and great misunderstandings and mistakes, the BOLSHEVIKS managed to restore...
      Alas, history teaches that it teaches nothing...
      And now we are observing processes similar to the beginning of the last century, which are JUST BEGINNING to unfold...
      However, we already have a fully formed pro-Western quasi-bourgeois oligarchy and the liberal “democrats” who represent its interests (demons)...
      It’s unlikely that we should expect anything “pleasant” from them for the Motherland... They sleep and see “pre-sanction” times, and wait for a signal... Plans and instructions have long been carried out by Western intelligence services... Roles have been distributed...
      In the history of the Great State of Russia, this has happened more than once... Starting from the “guards” palace coups, ending with the pro-Western Provisional Government of Menshikov... For the “X” hour, they need the right moment... A situation that is one hundred percent convenient...
      Sooner or later, such a situation may well arise... And they know how to wait.
    2. +2
      21 March 2024 10: 57
      I absolutely support it, the only solution to the problem is the complete liquidation of the outskirts, and all the talk about buffer and sanitary zones is simply delaying the inevitable future, even bloodier war, and this time on Russian territory, it’s bad that the chief strategist is just following the lead, or maybe the opposite , from these oligarchs and hucksters
  11. +2
    21 March 2024 02: 43
    Will the annexation of Slobozhanshchina and Chernigov region protect Russia?

    What kind of connection is this? If they are annexed, will they become Russian or not? And the Svidomo, who are being cribbed by the connivance of the Kremlin, will not try to fight them off?
    It all comes down to goals and performers. The pro-Kremlin elite does not want to get its hands dirty.
  12. 0
    21 March 2024 05: 31
    As long as Europe exists there will be no protection.
  13. 0
    21 March 2024 06: 51
    Yes, Mr. Marzhetsky, this is a dead end, and there is no military solution to the current situation. By the way, the Washington Post seems to have given an article according to which Ukraine has already mastered the production of missiles with a range of 600 km, the production of 122-155 mm shells is being increased, and its own production covers 90 percent of the need for drones. There will be no sanitary zones; they are meaningless.
    1. 0
      22 March 2024 18: 40
      What other production? The territory of the Ruins is shot right through. If long-range equipment is imported there, it is only from abroad.
  14. 0
    21 March 2024 07: 53
    The only solution acceptable to Russia is Novorossiya within the Russian Federation, and an independent Ukraine within the borders of Little Russia, with the complete destruction of the existing system and a permanent Russian military presence on its territory. Give Western Ukraine to those who owned it before WWII. The Hungarians and Poles will mow down Bandera fans so that in a couple of years no one will even remember them.
    1. +1
      21 March 2024 09: 34
      Then it's easier to connect. And so feed, and so feed. Only when joining is there at least a guarantee that they will not run away like Poland and the GDR.
  15. +2
    21 March 2024 08: 19
    The war did not come to Ukraine from Kyiv. She came from Washington, London, Paris, Brussels and Berlin.
    Even after the liberation of all of Ukraine, the war will not end.
    The winning point in a war must be placed where it came from.
    How to do it, by military or diplomatic means, is being discussed.
    1. +2
      21 March 2024 12: 45
      You are right, the war came from NATO. To end it forever, it is necessary to return Greater Russia to the borders of the Soviet Union (USSR) in 1975. But to do this, we need to take the first step, the most difficult and difficult one, to liberate the entire territory of Ukraine from the enemy and include its entire territory into Russia, in the form of regions. There should not be a state of Ukraine. All proposals to create zones, red lines, gestures of goodwill, agreements, to give part of Ukraine to Poland, etc., this is a transfer of war into the future, this brings death and hardship to our children and grandchildren. We, the people, and the oligarchs, hucksters, comprador power, are non-humans. Understanding must come to people.
    2. 0
      21 March 2024 15: 41
      The war did not come to Ukraine from Kyiv. She came from Washington, London, Paris, Brussels and Berlin.

      Who were pleased by the perestroika elite of the Kremlin. And now, suddenly, when the above-mentioned cities sent her away in three letters, she started talking about Russian values ​​with Jewish omissions.
  16. +4
    21 March 2024 08: 32
    How and by whom to create this sanitary zone? Carry out mobilization, put a million under arms?
    Taking into account the situation at the front at the moment, + the imminent deployment of NATO troops, it should have been carried out yesterday. + We cannot properly support the operating group, not with thermal imagers-night lights, not with vehicles, not with counter-batteries, not with communications. The fleet is locked. The situation is deadlock, or our big bosses are waiting for something.
    But I don’t think that in the offices with mahogany, there are people with square heads who, like a super computer, think through everything, every step forward and cannot make mistakes, on the contrary, after the past two years, I think there are people sitting there who don’t know what to do and how to get out of this and just go with the flow.
    1. +3
      21 March 2024 15: 06
      Well, what about? They sat on the pipe for 30 years and didn’t do anything. But here you have to move.
  17. +1
    21 March 2024 12: 05
    Another, 100-500th note about the sanitary zone?
    Oh well.
    What kind of “safety zone” is this in the midst of hostilities, when Ukraine is being shot right through by not the most powerful missiles from 3 directions...