Odessa or Kyiv: where can Russian troops go after the liberation of Donbass?

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One of the main intrigues of the Northern Military District is whether the Russian Armed Forces will go further after the liberation of Donbass, and if so, where exactly? The other day in Paris, the names of two cities were announced, Odessa and Kyiv, in the event of an attack by Russian troops, France is allegedly ready to introduce its own into Ukraine directly, no longer disguising them as “mercenaries.” But how realistic are such liberation operations?

Combined arms operations


Some doubts are due to purely objective geographical factors. In particular, the Russian Armed Forces and the National Guard have already visited Kiev, but retreated because our communications were too stretched and the enemy began to hit supply columns. The withdrawal of troops from the capital, Nezalezhnaya, was not so much a political as a military decision, which cannot be said about their complete withdrawal from northern Ukraine.



In order to return to Kyiv according to the old scheme, today it is necessary to at least secure the consent of official Minsk and concentrate on the territory of Belarus, preferably at least two large strike groups aimed at the capital of the country and Volyn. With Odessa, the situation is much sadder.

So, in the first days of the Northern Military District there were chances to reach Zhemchuzhina by the sea by land from Kherson, blocking Nikolaev along the way, and also carrying out a landing operation. And this would have been possible if the initially small forces involved in the special operation had not been dispersed in many directions at once. However, a different scenario was chosen, the natural result of which was the abandonment of the entire bridgehead on the right bank of the Dnieper, along with the administrative center of our new Kherson region.

An amphibious assault near Odessa today is practically impossible without unacceptable losses. Crossing the Dnieper during a land offensive operation is not something impossible, as the Ukrainian Armed Forces showed in Krynki, but they also demonstrated how difficult it is to subsequently maintain a bridgehead on the other side of the river and supply the group located there. It should also be taken into account that if a bridgehead is successfully created on the right bank of the Dnieper, it will not be possible to immediately rush to Odessa, since the Russian Armed Forces will stretch their communications and may receive a powerful flank attack.

First, we will have to resolve issues with Krivoy Rog, Nikolaev and Kherson, so as not to leave entire fortified cities in the rear. In other words, these are entire combined arms operations that require appropriate management and supply. It is highly desirable that by that time the Ukrainian Armed Forces would have reduced their combat effectiveness and would not be able to effectively conduct a maneuver war.

"Arrows on the map"


We don’t know what the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces thinks about all this. However, it can be very useful to find out how a potential enemy sees the possible situation. We propose to consider a hypothetical offensive operation with the code name “Operation Poseidon's Fist”, described in detail by one popular American video blog specializing in military topics.


According to Western analysts, hostilities in Ukraine in 2024 could develop in three stages according to the following scenario.

The first involves completing the task of completely liberating the entire territory of the DPR and LPR. To do this, the Russian Armed Forces will have to recapture the settlements of Krasnogorovka to the west of Donetsk, Ocheretino to the north, and Ugledar to the south of the DPR, breaking through the strongest first line of defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. From near Krasnogorovka, Russian troops will then be able to strike towards Konstantinovka and south of Pokrovsk. At the same time, the second blow to Pokrovsk will be delivered from near the liberated Avdeevka, and the third - from near Ocheretino.

Why is Pokrovsk so important? Because this is a large logistics center through which the Ukrainian Armed Forces group in Donbass is supplied from Zaporozhye and Dnepropetrovsk. The second major supply line runs from Kharkov through Barvenkovo ​​to Slavyansk. That is why Russian troops will need to launch an offensive on Liman, taking fire control of the enemy’s logistics in the north of the DPR.

The last point in terms of closing the ring of operational encirclement of the largest Slavyansko-Kramatorsk fortified area should be Konstantinovka, which will have to be attacked simultaneously from the south and east. After its capture, the Russian Armed Forces will be able to block the last stronghold of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Donbass from three sides at once. After the liberation of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, the bare steppe and full operational space will open before our troops.

American analysts believe that the next logical step would be a breakthrough through Pavlograd and Pokrovskoye to Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporozhye. And this is the second stage of the proposed battle for South-Eastern Ukraine. The further development of events will depend on whether the Russian Armed Forces will be able to liberate these two regional centers. So, if things go badly for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, they can retreat beyond the Dnieper, blowing up bridges across the river and organizing defenses along its banks. At the same time, they will begin to organize defense along the line Kharkov - Poltava - Kremenchug.

If the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces is tasked with crossing the Dnieper at any cost, then our army may try to create a bridgehead on the right bank, from where the path to Kyiv or Odessa will open, and this will be the third stage. At the same time, American analysts believe that Pearl by the Sea is a higher priority target for Moscow than the Ukrainian capital. If the operation to cross the Dnieper fails, then the Russian Armed Forces can move along the left bank of the Dnieper to the north, liberating Eastern Ukraine.

This is how they see Operation Poseidon’s Fist in the United States, and we will see how accurate these forecasts are in the spring and summer of 2024. Quite alarming are the assessments that these liberated territories could become a subject for bargaining in negotiations with Kiev regarding the future post-war structure of Independence.
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  1. +7
    9 March 2024 12: 43
    To begin with, it would be good to completely liberate our territories. Take Zaporozhye and Kherson. If we take Zaporozhye like Avdeevka, then we won’t be able to cope even in 24th. And then there's more to come.
    1. +1
      9 March 2024 13: 59
      territories will not melt hi the controlled slaughter of the "brothers" will continue. They are organizing another cauldron where the next mobilization will be disposed of.
      1. +6
        9 March 2024 20: 47
        We need to be more active and faster. Every day SVO means the death of dozens of Russian guys. You always forget about it. Apparently you don't care about them.
        1. -2
          10 March 2024 10: 48
          Apparently you need thousands of Russian deaths? Apparently you don't care about them? that's understandable. Jew.... Even the crests know that during an attack the losses are higher. no need to consider everyone stupid goyim hi
          1. +6
            10 March 2024 11: 37
            It seems to me that Zhukov and Rokossovsky would argue with you. The losses of the Red Army during the retreat in 41 and 42 were much greater than during the offensive in 44 and 45.
            1. -2
              10 March 2024 20: 02
              The credit for the losses was, for example, due to Marshal Timoshenko, your fellow countryman, who killed about a million in encirclement. You Ashkenazis all come from the Khazar Kaganate... I think Trotsky, Netanyahu and Kedmi...
        2. 0
          12 March 2024 07: 24
          Quote: Strange guest
          We need to be more active and faster. Every day SVO means the death of dozens of Russian guys.

          If you start using the Soviet method to put divisions in order to storm some city for a memorable date, it won’t get much better.
          In any case, war is only a tool in the hands of big politics, and until those at the top decide that the goal has been achieved, the war will continue.
    2. +8
      9 March 2024 17: 12
      In World War I, Germany capitulated without having enemy armies on its territory. Quite an instructive story.
      1. +8
        9 March 2024 18: 35
        Quote: serge_2
        In World War I, Germany capitulated without having enemy armies on its territory. Quite an instructive story.

        It's true. But there is a nuance: during the First World War, Germany was not under external control, due to which it had the opportunity to make rational decisions based on the current situation.
        1. +3
          9 March 2024 18: 58
          She (Germany) simply has no reserves left, and without them, fighting is like frying potatoes without oil... We won’t take any Kyiv and forget about Odessa! The maximum that will happen is the liberation of Kherson, and this is possible not by military means, but through an exchange for other territories outside the new ones “captured” by us. It is also possible that we will create a buffer (gray) zone in the border area of ​​Kharkov and further to the west, something like this... entering Ukraine at the top we miscalculated and did not expect that all this would develop into the 3rd World War...
          1. +5
            9 March 2024 21: 40
            The goals have been voiced and they are unchanged...we will not create any gray zones, otherwise it will develop into an eternal ulcer for decades - one Palestinian-Israeli example is enough...we must (have to) take away everything right up to Poland and Transnistria at the same time... ...
            1. -2
              10 March 2024 19: 53
              we will... which has been stated repeatedly (buffer zones). no one will feed crests.
          2. +2
            11 March 2024 06: 04
            serivolkf1, there can be no trading with the Anglo-Saxon fascists! Only the complete liberation of all lands up to Poland itself. Half-hearted solutions will lead to future wars against Russia.
            1. +3
              11 March 2024 20: 54
              But Garant thinks differently. He regularly mentions his desire to start negotiations and actively pushes Lavrov on this topic.
  2. 0
    9 March 2024 13: 03
    Liberate Donbass for at least another 5 years
    1. -1
      9 March 2024 15: 30
      It depends on how you liberate, if you limit yourself to exclusively positional battles in the Donbass, then yes, but if you carefully prepare and successfully carry out large-scale offensive operations, then everything will end this year.
      1. +2
        9 March 2024 19: 35
        Large-scale offensive operations require people.
      2. +1
        11 March 2024 20: 56
        Large-scale operations are impossible without a new wave of mobilization, scarce military equipment, equipment and weapons.
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    3. 0
      10 March 2024 13: 32
      Liberate Donbass for at least another 5 years

      Those. only seven?
  3. +11
    9 March 2024 13: 11
    I think everything up to the Dnieper needs to be liberated, plus the Nikolaev and Odessa regions.
    1. +6
      9 March 2024 15: 34
      We also shouldn’t forget about the Kharkov, Sumy and Dnepropetrovsk regions; if we leave anything, then only the Western regions, let the Poles, Hungarians and Banderaites sort it out themselves.
      1. +3
        10 March 2024 10: 58
        Today, the Dnepropetrovsk region is so banderized that it will give a head start to Lviv and Ternopil combined! It was from there that the most rabid Nazis came out. Plus, the chicks of Kolomoisky’s nest have not gone anywhere.
        1. -1
          10 March 2024 19: 55
          exactly? Some of the Azov fighters were from Marizhopol. in the same Marizhopol there were attacks on participants and supporters of the North Military District by young holopithecines, whom some call the same Russians.
    2. +2
      9 March 2024 20: 42
      It is too little! And let them attack us from the north and hold on to the original Russian lands?!
      Also, the Kharkov, Sumy, Chernigov, Dnepropetrovsk, Poltava and Kyiv regions must be returned!
      But the Westerners dreamed of becoming Poles, so let them go there. The Poles will show them the sky in diamonds and a real shit-cracy with tolerance!
      1. +1
        11 March 2024 20: 58
        How are you going to return it? Can you imagine how many new waves of mobilization need to be carried out for this, how much new equipment, weapons, equipment and provisions must be produced? And how many years will all these activities take in total?
        1. +1
          12 March 2024 10: 20
          I present. And for this there are specially trained people who are responsible for this and receive big money!
          And now why fold your paws and continue chewing snot?! Watch how the fascists rejoice on Russian soil and attack Russian cities, killing the population?! If you get into a fight, fight until the end, until you win.
  4. +4
    9 March 2024 13: 29
    So we have already liberated Donbass? Can we go further?
    1. +5
      9 March 2024 16: 49
      The author makes such requests, but the conduct of combat operations, in the complete absence of strategic, tactical planning of operations and conduct, is not visible at all. What about Kiev and Odessa, here - the territories of the Russian Federation would be liberated by the end of 2024 in a frontal penetration of the defense of each village.. The author of the article has groundless optimism.
  5. +11
    9 March 2024 14: 09
    Our children have been mobilized and are on vacation. Yesterday we drank and talked. Checkmate prevailed. Everything is as bad in Ukraine, and it’s the same here. I was nominated for the award five times, but was never awarded. But at the headquarters, 200 km away from the LBS, everyone has military awards. When will we win? And no one needs this except us!
    Therefore, forget about Odessa and Kharkov in the next 2 years.
    1. -11
      9 March 2024 15: 25
      you're lying again laughing Today I just listened to a story about a volunteer from Luhansk who received a Hero of Russia and a million in credits for the award.
    2. +1
      9 March 2024 15: 28
      Quote: steel maker
      Our children have been mobilized and are on vacation. Yesterday we drank and talked. Checkmate prevailed. Everything is as bad in Ukraine, and it’s the same here. I was nominated for the award five times, but was never awarded. But at the headquarters, 200 km away from the LBS, everyone has military awards. When will we win? And no one needs this except us!
      Therefore, forget about Odessa and Kharkov in the next 2 years.

      Most likely, you can forget about them, except for Donbass, forever, the one who strikes first is clearly drowning for negotiations, and in this case, again everything will be surrendered, the only hope is in the swineherds, maybe due to natural stupidity they will again miss their benefit and salvation
  6. +13
    9 March 2024 14: 50
    Until the supply routes for Western weapons to Ukraine are blocked, nothing of this will be possible. Already, due to the delay in solving this problem, tens of thousands of our children are dying in vain. it will get worse.
    1. -9
      9 March 2024 15: 28
      The point is to disarm the West by destroying its weapons in Ukraine. If the decision is accelerated, millions will die. Naturally, no one counted crests and will not count them.
      1. +1
        10 March 2024 05: 05
        You are so funny..
        Since the new year alone, 3 ships have already been sunk, 2 A50s shot down, 15 ships..
        Everything is Russian...
        How many NATO ships and aircraft were destroyed?
        1. 0
          10 March 2024 12: 37
          Since the new year alone, 3 ships have already been sunk, 2 A50s shot down, 15 ships..
          Everything is Russian...

          Well, the A-50 doesn’t seem to be entirely the merit of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, if you understand what we’re talking about. And what about 15 dryers - the figure from UkroSMI?
        2. -1
          10 March 2024 19: 59
          Should we have sunk the Crimean bridge instead of the boat? You better count how many Little Russians died and how much NATO lost equipment. hi
      2. +1
        11 March 2024 21: 06
        And you’re funny) The West is pushing away all the old equipment that was planned for disposal and weapons of the last century, meanwhile its military-industrial complex has ramped up for rearmament. At the same time, residents of Europe and the United States are not sitting in trenches, but living quietly, some even overseas. But young Russian guys are dying every day and our weapons reserves are slowly decreasing. So think about who will disarm in the end.
  7. +3
    9 March 2024 15: 06
    The scenario of a “hypothetical offensive operation” for the spring-summer campaign of the Russian Armed Forces, outlined in almost detail by foreign analysts in three stages, has already been discussed several times, in several versions, on various resources, as the most realistic and promising. It is undoubtedly premature to scatter forces on Kyiv, Odessa and Kharkov. These are tasks of other stages, for which the necessary strategic foundations and resources have yet to be created.

    It would be optimal for a summer company to clear the entire Left Bank. And to do this, we must try hard, first of all, at all levels of planning, control and combat replenishment and provision of troops with all types of weapons, military equipment and materiel, while not allowing the enemy to build defensive fortifications and build up their combat, especially offensive, groups. And NATO supply channels must be kept under missile and aviation control. By all indications, the collective Russophobic West continues to hatch new plans to conquer Russia and dreams of “victory over Putin.” Only Russia's successes on all fronts can bring the adversaries to reason...

    Sons of Russia, devoted to the world,
    They stand shoulder to shoulder in the holy army.
    The ringing of bells infuses their ancestors with strength,
    To repay your duty to your Motherland with honor...

    Soar, "Falcons of the Earth",
    Rus' is in danger again.
    The adversary gathered all his strength,
    To trample the Fatherland.

    Fate has not given us the right
    So that the enemy tramples the shrines.
    Duty feeds the glory of the ancestors,
    The call to Victory has risen within us!

    Rise up, Holy Rus',
    Get up again to fight to the death.
    Spirit of Unity, power of Truth,
    Proudly soaring over the country!

    The earthly duty of the Sons of the Fatherland:
    Honor your duty sacredly.
    And remember from youth to funeral feast:
    "Life - to the Motherland, Honor - to no one!

    https://stihi.ru/2016/02/23/8050
  8. -2
    9 March 2024 15: 07
    One of the main intrigues of the North Military District..

    IMHO, even the authors don’t care, 2 years after the start, they don’t write much.
    Only like Medvedev, who always announces some maps, plans, sections... then others, then others...
    1. -1
      11 March 2024 06: 14
      Sergey Latyshev, don’t create an idol for yourself from “IMHO”, are you a foreigner? Well, speak Russian, don’t bow down to the Anglo-Saxons, don’t be a coward from the start!
  9. 0
    9 March 2024 15: 15
    It is highly desirable that by that time the Ukrainian Armed Forces would have reduced their combat effectiveness and would not be able to effectively conduct a maneuver war.

    Now everything is moving towards this. How much more can be mobilized there?

    In particular, the Russian Armed Forces and the National Guard have already visited Kiev, but retreated because our communications were too stretched and the enemy began to hit supply columns.

    Then yes, but now there will be a continuous front line, so this will not be so easy.
  10. +1
    9 March 2024 16: 50
    If the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces is tasked with crossing the Dnieper at any cost

    Oh, how sweet it sounds: “to force it at any cost”!
    1. +2
      9 March 2024 20: 53
      This sounds sweet when the author of such lines is sure (possibly in vain) that his precious life will definitely not become part of this “at any cost.”
  11. +5
    9 March 2024 17: 23
    It’s better, of course, to take Odessa. to cut off all access to the Black Sea, and also to connect with Transnistria.... Now we are watching the latest video, how much fresh minced meat there is in the capital, we climbed out on March 8 and no one is missing them.

    1. 0
      11 March 2024 15: 04
      Quote from KLN
      It’s better, of course, to take Odessa. to cut off all access to the Black Sea, and also to connect with Transnistria....

      I completely agree, because the main supply of weapons to Bandera’s supporters comes through the sea.
  12. -3
    9 March 2024 18: 04
    Theoretical aspect of combat:
    To boost the morale & combat efficiency, lethality & accuracy of the Russian troops:

    Fill positive thoughts in our armed forces & FSB.
    Tell them, "we can capture the entire world".

    Aim to capture Washington DC.
    Aim to capture Berlin.
    Aim to capture Tel-Aviv.
    Aim to capture London.
    Aim to capture Paris.

    At present, Russia & China are the most powerful nations on earth.

    Practical aspects of combat: (A few)

    (a) When we are capturing land area's, never show any hurry. Slow and steady.
    The entire Ukraine must be diluted (annexed) to the Russian mainland, and later shared among Poland, Hungary & Moldova.
    (b) Promote proxy operations, using FSB officers accross EU, to sanitize EU officials (policy makers) & their families.
    (c) Never ever, spread combat operations beyond Ukraine.
    (d) Minimize civilian casualties. Ensure that, no EU, US, UK ordinary civilians are hurt.
    (e) Steady & gradual bombing of important Ukrainian cities.
    (f) Conduct timely chaos (political) in US, UK & EU through our good friends.
    (g) Always wait for good news (anti biden) from our US friends.

    Now Russia is in a comfortable position in world geopolitics.
  13. -3
    9 March 2024 18: 22
    I would go from Belgorod to Poltava
    1. +2
      9 March 2024 20: 48
      So who's stopping? Why"?
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  15. +5
    9 March 2024 19: 10
    No Odessa and Kyiv. Trench warfare will continue, which suits the military personnel of both sides because this is a way of earning money that is unattainable for the rank and file in peacetime. The Ukrainian army, in which salaries and compensation are higher than Russian ones, is in its purest form a mercenary army of the West. There is simply no money for its maintenance and no weapons. The West is getting deeper into the conflict because... I saw our obvious weakness: the Russian-Ukrainian war on equal terms for two years. Against the backdrop of the military talents of our commanders, the scale of the economy, the demonstrated level of determination and the lack of allies, strategic successes in such a war are extremely doubtful. An honorable peace and a change of power in both countries within 1-3 years.
    1. -8
      9 March 2024 19: 30
      It's a pity you're an unbeliever. everything that happens in the world and our country...was predicted a long time ago. Jonah of Odessa. Cosmas of Aetolia in the 18th century predicted what was happening that we are seeing right now. the clown Zhirinovsky also voiced it a long time ago. So there is no need to be surprised. All of Ukraine is part of Russia
      1. -2
        10 March 2024 20: 23
        amen, and perhaps at Easter 2024, the dill will simply give up, because they realized that sooner or later we will win anyway....unless, of course, they have any brains left......everything is the will of God, and a miracle of God is possible for all alarmists, whiners, Russophobes and to the local tsipso agents who are downvoting me for edification
        1. 0
          11 March 2024 15: 09
          Quote: vladimir1155
          unless, of course, they have any brains left......

          There was nothing left to stay there.
  16. +3
    9 March 2024 20: 15
    Why the hell should we cross the Dnieper and put tens of thousands of Russians there, when it is possible from Russia to calmly advance from the north with large forces down the entire right bank?!
    And then the whole gang will run away in an instant!
    1. 0
      11 March 2024 15: 12
      Quote: Twice-born
      When is it possible from Russia calmly from the north large forces advance down the entire right bank?!

      But where can we get these large forces?
      1. 0
        12 March 2024 10: 11
        We need even more force to cross the Dnieper and this will not collapse the fascist front!
        So we'll just chew snot? In two years, they could actually find people (350 thousand volunteers per year!), form, train and equip them with equipment!
        Again, the North Koreans (they certainly need modern experience), Syrians and blacks were rushing to us.
  17. 0
    9 March 2024 20: 41
    A Mio avviso considerando il continuo invio di Armamenti da parte dell'Occidente. la cosa si fa seria e non si vede un finale nell'ostinazione a bloccare i rifornimenti da parte dell'Occidente. L'unica prospettiva per la Russia per non far arrivare rifornimenti è quella di presidiare i confini dell'Ukraina occupandoli.
  18. +7
    9 March 2024 21: 38
    1. Primarily deprive the enemy of access to the sea:
    - will cut off supplies;
    - terminate the grain deal;
    - will make it impossible to use BEC and conduct sabotage operations;
    - will protect the Black Sea Fleet and untie his hands.
    2. After this - connection with the PMR.
    3. Final - strike from the north of the PMR to Brest:
    - complete strategic encirclement of the enemy with all that it entails;
    - exclusion of interference from third countries.
    After this, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will become partisan units.
    The time has come to completely clear the remaining territory. Do not take prisoners - complete disposal of the fascists and their minions and sympathizers, so as not to catch them later in the forests, like Bandera’s followers after the Second World War, and not to suffer from terrorist attacks.
    This is the only way we will win and show the whole world Kuzka’s mother, in Stalin’s style!
    1. 0
      10 March 2024 21: 13
      prisoners are always taken everywhere. What kind of fascist Satanism is this? But don’t write about the need to use terror against nationalists and develop a legal factor for condemning neo-Nazis and sending them to the Far East to build strategic facilities in Russia.
  19. +5
    10 March 2024 01: 56
    The dream job for leaders is to want everything good for everyone without any specifics, except for the addition of killer XXX rubles to the benefits of any social group except the majority group. And let the good, honest pinocchios come up with strategic multi-moves. If suddenly there is some kind of victory, then the guarantor is a great strategist, but if something is the opposite, then the Buratins are simply not able to understand and appreciate.
  20. +1
    10 March 2024 02: 38
    Trench warfare will continue for at least another 2 years. The Ukrainian army must be completely depleted before we can move on to larger offensive operations. Much will also depend on Western military support for the Ukrainian regime: if the Pentagon ultimately does not accept a new military aid package, then Russia will be ready for major offensive operations in 2025.
  21. +2
    10 March 2024 02: 43
    Odessa or Kyiv: where can Russian troops go after the liberation of Donbass?

    Or maybe expand to Khabarovsk? There, apparently due to a misunderstanding, half of the island was donated, adjusted, and drained. It should be returned.
    1. +2
      10 March 2024 07: 58
      Maybe ask the French? They have a wealth of experience in Indo-Chinese issues. Ours just drain everything.
  22. L_L
    +7
    10 March 2024 03: 11
    Nowhere.
    Everything will be a waste.
  23. +12
    10 March 2024 06: 11
    Somehow we tortured the shabby suburb of Donetsk and conversations and projects almost reached Lisbon
  24. +6
    10 March 2024 06: 53
    They won't go anywhere. They will wait until the West comes down to negotiations.
    1. +6
      10 March 2024 07: 01
      In order to go somewhere, you have to let someone else through. And instead, they shoot those who are trying to *go* along with armored personnel carriers.
      Yes, this is empty.. The planes are not flying, there are probably few tanks left.. All that remains is for the personnel to crawl forward until it runs out..
      What kind of Dnieper is this?
      1. +3
        10 March 2024 07: 54
        And that's true, so what? We are studying Ukrainian, it might come in handy, otherwise you never know...Jewish, more or less, has already been studied.
        1. 0
          10 March 2024 12: 43
          החלטה נכונה מאוד Yes
          1. 0
            11 March 2024 02: 06
            We have such scribbles behind the bridge as dirt on a state farm. But, interestingly, the dulinguals who speak them have faded somewhere. You don't know where? Maybe he'll come back, right? Should I take down these scribbles or just let them hang?
    2. +2
      10 March 2024 21: 10
      especially since we were in Kyiv. Four primitive villages can't take two years... ridiculous. But they retreated from Izyum very quickly... They couldn’t even form a motorized rifle brigade from their Ukrainians, some kind of half-battalion...
  25. 0
    10 March 2024 08: 37
    Odessa or Kyiv: where can Russian troops go after the liberation of Donbass?

    - We must first liberate the entire territory of Russia, and then. But something tells us we won’t go beyond Russian territories to liberate. Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, Nikolaev, Kharkov, these are also Russian lands, but first we need to liberate Zaporozhye and Kherson.
    1. +1
      10 March 2024 09: 33
      This way you can transfer the entire Russian male population if you declare all new lands Russian and send peasants to fight for them
    2. -1
      10 March 2024 15: 08
      Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, Nikolaev, Kharkov, these are also Russian lands

      But Poland or Finland aren’t Russian lands. And Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia. For me personally, Riga is practically my hometown. Give me back Riga! At any cost!
      1. 0
        11 March 2024 12: 01
        We'll return everything Yes step by step! soldier
        1. 0
          12 March 2024 01: 04
          We will return everything to yes step by step! soldier

          I’ll express sedition here - does the president have enough health?

          For me personally, Riga is practically my hometown. Give me back Riga! At any cost!

          They will return it, they will definitely return it, they will destroy it and return it, there is no other way.
  26. +10
    10 March 2024 11: 03
    After the liberation of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, the bare steppe and full operational space will open before our troops

    What a familiar song. Exactly the same sounded on the eve of the capture of Artyomovsk, and then Avdeevka. For whom it is performed is unclear. Yes, there are fewer towns and villages between Debaltsevo and Gorlovka than between Slavyansk and Barvenkovo ​​or between Kramatorsk and Ocheretino. What the hell is the operational space, what a bare steppe if there are settlements there, both small and large, it’s good that they are not on top of each other. Is the author familiar with these places at all?
  27. +1
    10 March 2024 12: 36
    Like in a fairy tale: If you go to the right, you will lose your horse and save yourself; If you go to the left, you will lose yourself, but you will save your horse; If you go straight, you will lose both yourself and your horse. All that remains is to mark the place, the beginning of the path. To go you need to know where and why, i.e. there must be a goal. SVO, this isn’t an aimless walk, is it? Who knows the purpose of the SVO? Where and in what documents is the purpose of the SVO stated? Please respond.
    There is only one solution regarding Ukraine in favor of the people of Russia. The state of Ukraine must cease to exist. The entire territory of Ukraine should return to Russia, in the form of regions. There is no need to ask anyone for permission, everything must be done unilaterally. There is no state, Ukraine, no debts, no Ukrainian government in exile, no legal Banderaites, no Ukrainian participants in various international organizations, no hostile state on the border of the Russian Federation. Russia will strengthen its economic and military-political influence in the world, and there will be direct access to Western countries. NATO will no longer have the opportunity to use Ukraine against Russia. The northwestern part of the Black Sea will belong to Russia.
    Even if part of the state of Ukraine is left, then today and in the future, Russia will always have an enemy in the person of Ukraine. Ukraine will definitely join NATO and will definitely attack Russia. Everything that is promised and will be spelled out in the Constitution of Ukraine, in its documents, Ukraine will change, in the way that is beneficial to the United States and its satellites.
    Any half-hearted decision is the defeat and capitulation of the Russian Federation to NATO.
    1. +1
      10 March 2024 15: 16
      The entire territory of Ukraine should return to Russia, in the form of regions. There is no need to ask anyone for permission, everything must be done unilaterally

      Lord, when will you buy yourself a lip rolling machine?

      Ukraine will definitely join NATO and will definitely attack Russia.

      Ukraine has already attacked Russia.
      1. 0
        11 March 2024 18: 46
        It's simple. If you don’t like my proposal, show everyone your proposal to resolve the SVO in Ukraine. Do you have it? You have sarcasm, but no solutions are visible.
        1. +1
          11 March 2024 18: 56
          Quote: vlad127490
          his proposal for the decision of the SVO in Ukraine. Do you have it?

          There are no good solutions there.
          At the moment, the least of the evils is the continuation of the Northern Military District in a sluggish mode, essentially the active defense of previously occupied territories.
          And then you look at the USA and the EU, they’ll get tired of financing this black hole in constant fear that God forbid it will come down to nuclear loaves.
          1. 0
            12 March 2024 20: 39
            I agree, there are no good solutions there. Any war needs a goal and a strategy. Why do all states with controversial territorial problems have legal documents? For example, the PRC has 4 of them in Taiwan. There are no legal documents on SVO, there is not even a legally approved definition of what SVO means in Ukraine. There is only one answer, the “elite” wants to return to the “holy times” and is ready to hand over not only Ukraine, but also Russia into the slavery of NATO countries. It remains to wait a little. There will be an approved president in the Russian Federation and it will be clear which direction he will go.
    2. +1
      10 March 2024 22: 44
      I’ve already read this somewhere, probably on LiveJournal.)))
  28. 0
    10 March 2024 13: 05
    Sarmatian to Washington!
  29. +1
    10 March 2024 20: 51
    ...These "popular" Western video blogs - "analysts" in their "depictions" about the further progress of the database in Ukrainian territories - are like crap in their mouths about the PRIORITY task of the RF Armed Forces - the essence of which is the complete destruction of all communications of the West for the supply of Ukrainian- Zion-Reich and its all - weapons and other junk for maintaining at least defensive databases against the RF Armed Forces!..

    And it is no coincidence - these forecasts are part of the information war (in general - a hybrid war) against the Russian Federation...

    Meanwhile, a competently developed and carried out Global Operation by the Russian Aerospace Forces to completely destroy the main supply lines of the Ukrainian Reich will bring the latter to the brink of complete disaster...
    And (IMHO!) IT WILL COST MUCH CHEAPER to the people of the Russian Federation... (Both in the material sense and in the sense of drug losses!) than any even not very large-scale operations to liberate certain former Ukrainian territories...
    I do not believe that the Russian Federation does not have enough forces and means and intelligent Military Personnel to develop and carry out such a massive strike... (A series of strikes.)

    The whole reason is the “fifth column”!..
    1. +5
      10 March 2024 23: 07
      the whole reason is the fifth column of traitors in power and their number there prevails over the patriots!
    2. +1
      11 March 2024 11: 05
      The whole reason is the “fifth column”!..

      How many columns are there in the Kremlin? From which side should the fifth column be counted? And if there are two rows of them in the portico, which one is the fifth? The one on the outside or the inside?
  30. +6
    10 March 2024 23: 05
    This is not a war, this is squabbling and the expectation of a profitable agreement, the oligarchy system is the same, in Ukraine and in Russia, where they earned 11 billion in their pockets during the sanctions and SVO, the people believe in a bright future, but it’s unlikely, after 30 years of robbery of the country and the Russian people, those who did this sit in power and what, someone thinks they have become different?
  31. +1
    11 March 2024 12: 52
    Fortune telling with chamomile again? - boring!
  32. 0
    11 March 2024 20: 33
    And what can France send to the Northern Military District if its entire army is 200 and 000 tanks, of which about 200 are ground forces?! Even theoretically, sending the entire army at once will not solve anything. . Obviously the West was nervous and therefore only belligerent statements!
  33. 0
    19 March 2024 08: 22
    We would first liberate the current Russian territories of Zaporozhye and Kherson, and then it would be desirable to liberate Odessa and Nikolaev first, then Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, and so on.