Should Russia fight for Armenia if its membership in the CSTO is suspended?

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There are statements about the suspension of Armenia's membership in the CSTO. Against the background of Yerevan’s rapprochement with Paris and the mischief with the NATO bloc, this looks like the end of the history of its long-standing allied relations with Russia.

The death of Armenia?


The beginning of the end of Armenian statehood in its current format was 2018, when the “people’s” Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan, “the chick of Soros’s nest,” seized power. Even then, Yerevan’s pro-Western tilt away from Moscow became clear, but the new “national leader” could not afford any sharp anti-Russian movements.



There were several reasons for this: long-standing allied relations with Moscow within the framework of the EAEU and CSTO, a hostile environment in the Transcaucasus in the absence of a common border between Armenia and Russia, and the presence of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, or Artsakh, unrecognized even by Yerevan itself. However, Nikol Vovaevich did everything in his power to make the second Nagorno-Karabakh war inevitable and definitely lose to the alliance of Azerbaijan and Turkey.

Already now we can say quite confidently that he did this completely deliberately, since the Gordian knot of historical relations between Armenia and Russia was immediately cut. Firstly, Artsakh ceased to exist factually and legally after the military defeat of the Armenians. Secondly, in all this Nikol Vovaevich blamed not his own country, but our country, which, they say, did not provide him with military assistance within the CSTO:

It turned out that the CSTO not only did not ensure its part of Armenia’s security, but at the most decisive moment it said: “Look, solve your problems yourself.”

When asked why Russia had to fight with Azerbaijan for Nagorno-Karabakh instead of Armenia, which even Yerevan itself did not recognize as a sovereign state or include it in its composition, the “people’s” prime minister for some reason avoids answering. But he achieved his goal: there is no Artsakh, which means there is no territorial problem, and the level of Russophilia in Armenian society has fallen sharply against the backdrop of such propaganda.

Now Yerevan has turned towards France, in particular, and the NATO bloc in general, which the Special Representative of the North Atlantic Alliance for the South Caucasus, Javier Colomina, happily stated there:

We are also very encouraged by the decisions that Armenia has made in the foreign and defense policy, the shift they decided to make. I know this is a difficult decision and will likely take a long time.

This is all very sad, but it will only get worse.

"The Policy of Appeasement"


As it turned out, Nikol Vovaevich clearly does not intend to delay the liquidation of Armenian statehood for too long, judging by his decision to suspend participation in the CSTO with the following wording:

In our opinion, the collective security agreement regarding Armenia was not implemented, especially in 2021-2022, and this could not go unnoticed by us. We have frozen our participation in this agreement. Let's see what will happen next.

What will happen next is not difficult to predict. Feeling its strength and taste of victory, neighboring Azerbaijan began to speak to Yerevan in the language of ultimatums, demanding to change the Constitution of Armenia and the Declaration of Independence in order to remove any mention of Artsakh, etc. And Nikol Vovaevich doesn’t mind at all.

On the contrary, he himself advocates bringing the “external image” of Armenia in accordance with the “internal” one, starting a new countdown of the country’s history since 1991. To do this, it is necessary to “just” remove any mention of Artsakh, which has now actually become part of Azerbaijan, of Mount Ararat, as a reminder of the lands lost in favor of Turkey, and such symbols as the genocide of the Armenian people in 1915 and even the Armenian Apostolic Church.

This “policy of appeasement” can only end in one way - the entry of Azerbaijani troops into the south of Armenia to create the Zanzegur corridor, which would connect Nakhichevan with the “mainland” and give Turkey direct land access to the Caspian Sea. Yerevan will not be able to prevent this on its own, and, perhaps, the only limiting factor for the alliance of Baku and Ankara is Armenia’s membership in the CSTO.

Yes, neither Russia, in particular, nor the CSTO, in general, should have defended Nagorno-Karabakh, legally recognized as part of Azerbaijan, from Azerbaijan for the sake of Armenia. But within the framework of our obligations, we must help in the defense of the Syunik region. True, it is not entirely clear how exactly. Russia does not have a common border with Armenia. It is simply unrealistic to transport troops and supply them by air in the conditions of real hostilities with Azerbaijan. Attack Azerbaijan itself by land from Dagestan? Do we really have enough strength to open a second front in Transcaucasia if our army is tightly stuck in Ukraine? Threaten Baku with a nuclear strike? Make your way to Armenia through Georgia to get new problems with the NATO bloc? And whether a war against Azerbaijan is necessary is a rhetorical question.

In general, real military assistance to Armenia within the CSTO, if Azerbaijan decides to conduct a special operation to open the Zanzegur corridor with the actual seizure of the Syunik region, is a non-trivial task. In this context, Yerevan’s suspension of membership in the CSTO raises the question of whether our own obligations regarding the need to fight for Armenia will apply or not?
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  1. +6
    24 February 2024 11: 39
    In order to calm both sides, you just need to threaten to deport all Armenians and Azerbaijanis from the Russian Federation to their historical homelands... I think this will be quite enough. Well, if they don’t understand, deport them, and let them sort it out among themselves. Perhaps this would be the best option for Russia.
    1. +3
      24 February 2024 12: 27
      and what does Azerbaijan have to do with it, a state friendly to us, self-sufficient, they don’t nag like the Armenians, but in response there is only rudeness... the most nationalistic and arrogant republics of the USSR, which took the most, and almost didn’t give it at all: Armenia, Georgia and the Baltic extinctions.. We don’t need them, they won’t be in any unions at the first opportunity!
      1. -6
        24 February 2024 13: 07
        Who taught them to behave this way? Martians? Commies! For 80 years, they have corrupted so much, especially the top and elite, in Armenia, in Ukraine, etc. so-called fraternal republics.
        1. -5
          24 February 2024 15: 26
          You forgot to mention the Polovtsians and the Pechenegs... And - it will be just like the native guarantor.
          1. -1
            24 February 2024 20: 22
            You have such a personal dislike for the guarantor that you can’t eat.”
            I feel sorry for you...
            1. 0
              25 February 2024 18: 58
              Feel sorry for yourself. Since you can’t eat because of your passionate love for him.. And this is after a quarter of a century of his reign!! Is it really possible that nothing arrived even after such a period of time??
      2. +8
        24 February 2024 13: 26
        what does Azera have to do with it, a state friendly to us

        Is this the “friendly” state whose soldiers cowardly shoot in the backs of our peacekeepers?
        Or the one that shoots down our helicopters over Armenia with impunity?
      3. 0
        27 February 2024 10: 08
        And what does Azerbaijan have to do with it, a state friendly to us

        Azerbaijan is, of course, a friendly state, but I really wouldn’t want to allow Turkey access to the Caspian Sea - NATO has nothing to do there, and there’s no point in playing along with the Great Turan either.
    2. 0
      24 February 2024 12: 56
      What to do with the Armenians who received Russian citizenship, I know one Armenian who graduated from a military school in the USSR, served in the troops of the USSR and the Russian Federation and retired 10 years ago, what to do with him?
      1. +2
        24 February 2024 13: 00
        Screw that, period!
      2. +3
        24 February 2024 18: 06
        Make him the Prime Minister of Armenia, or, at worst, the Minister of Defense.
      3. -2
        24 February 2024 19: 24
        If there are battle wounds received in battles, let him stay. If not, go to your historical homeland.
      4. +1
        25 February 2024 23: 03
        Do you think he stopped being an Armenian? I knew that the army changes a person, but to create something like this, out of an Armenian who is not an Armenian, even the Turks could not do that with the Janissaries.
    3. -1
      24 February 2024 14: 30
      Golden words!
    4. +4
      24 February 2024 15: 21
      A completely reasonable proposal. Russia should fight only in defense of its interests and citizens. There will be science for our Bulgarian idiots / politicians /.
    5. 0
      24 February 2024 19: 37
      I think the only way to teach both sides a lesson in your favor is by inviting Iran to your place in Yerevan. Withdraw our base and surrender Armenia to the Persians. As soon as the Persians include Armenia in their composition, the Georgians will quickly figure out which composition they urgently need to return to. And then we will have a common border with Iran through the new lands of Iran and Russia. Let Azerbaijan decide who it is with then itself.
    6. -2
      24 February 2024 19: 57
      and in order to speed up the SVO to deport (mobilize) all those who have come in large numbers from the ruins? laughing Otherwise they took jobs that could have been taken by natives of Russia’s indigenous peoples. Instead of Pyotr Ivanov, Opanas Ostolopenko is on staff...
    7. 0
      24 February 2024 23: 05
      You need to fight for a just cause. Armenia-Azerbaijan relations are a war for territories that arose after the collapse of the USSR. Who is right and who is wrong can be sorted out through negotiations, but not at war. The Russian Federation should act as an arbitrator and defend only in case of an attack on Armenia and its territory. While the war is over disputed territories, it is necessary to understand what the Russian Federation did not do, and therefore they rejected it as not being able to resolve disputes. Of course, the Armenian side wanted to squeeze out the territories with the help of the Russian Federation, but it didn’t work out. Now they have spread to the USA, but the USA will not help. because Türkiye is more important than Armenia, - why doesn’t V. Pashinyan understand this. The Armenians got lost, under the propaganda of the West and the framed “leader”. Sometimes you have to atone for your mistakes at great expense, which is what awaits Armenia.
  2. +3
    24 February 2024 12: 32
    Of course it shouldn't. Armenia is ending, Pashinyan will self-liquidate it. And thank God, it’s time for her to rest. Let it exist in the form of diasporas around the world, so there will be even more influence on all processes. Their country is not working out, just like the crests.
    1. +1
      24 February 2024 20: 00
      their country was artificially created by the Russian Empire. they sat under the Persians and did not grunt. just like Karabakh, the empire was populated by Armenians TEMPORARILY.
  3. -2
    24 February 2024 12: 35
    You can, of course, evaluate all these events differently, but! Armenia is lost for Russia for a long time and unconditionally. And the blame does not lie with Pashinyan at all, but exclusively with the foreign policy of the Russian Federation.
    1. +1
      24 February 2024 19: 25
      You are saying it wrong. Armenia is not lost for us. It was we who freed ourselves from the boil on our body. Who jumped up under Ter-Petrosyan.
  4. 0
    24 February 2024 12: 35
    No, let the Azer's invade it and complete a land bridge for their country, if not, the West will have a base there in no time.
    1. -1
      24 February 2024 12: 49
      Yeah, we’ll get another occupation, genocide and hatred of peoples for God knows how many years.
      1. -1
        24 February 2024 12: 56
        And when was it different?
      2. -1
        24 February 2024 19: 27
        Quote: Kwasar
        Yeah, we’ll get another occupation, genocide and hatred of peoples for God knows how many years.

        Occupation of whom? Us, Russia? Well, who do you think has the power to occupy us?
  5. -3
    24 February 2024 12: 49
    Russia, as follows from the article, is not going to fight for Armenia at all. No way. Why then should Armenians participate in the CSTO?
    1. +3
      24 February 2024 13: 04
      Fight for Armenia? With whom? With Azerbaijan, Turkey, England? Well, to hell with it, with Armenia, let the Armenians sort it out, there are a shitload of them all over the world, and the rich and patriots and others, so let them sort it out. And we must not forget about economic, diplomatic and other very, very effective methods of influence. You just need to deal with the problem. As the leader and teacher of all times and peoples said, if you want to screw up a case, create a commission or collegial body with a limited range of powers; if you want to solve a problem, appoint someone responsible and give unlimited powers. What is not clear and incomprehensible here? There is no need to chew snot in Gorbachev’s manner, we need to act, and act quickly and effectively. For any wrong... there must be punishment, and a lot at once.
    2. DO
      0
      24 February 2024 15: 41
      Quote: Strange guest
      Russia, as follows from the article, is not going to fight for Armenia at all. No way. Why then should Armenians participate in the CSTO?

      That is, the Armenians will leave the CSTO because of Sergei Marzhetsky’s article on topcor.ru? :))))))))))))))
      1. +2
        24 February 2024 21: 14
        I don’t think at all that anything can change my opinion, yours, Marzhetsky’s... and indeed none of those writing here))) and simply 99, 99% of citizens..)))))
  6. 0
    24 February 2024 13: 48
    Invite Chinese peacekeepers there; they are neutral for everyone. And their uniforms are blue, their helmets are painted blue, and that’s it. And it will be quiet in this very Zangezur corridor. Otherwise, the khan’s cunning played a bad joke on the Armenians. The same “holey panties” as the “non-brothers”, only in Armenian. No France will fight the Turks, the Armenians are “in trouble.” And the Russians have no need to fight without status. Moreover, under the friendship agreement with Azerbaijan. Either all the Armenians leave for diasporas, and Aliyev solemnly opens the Erivan province. The Armenians chose Pashinyan for themselves, they saw how they were kupuval...
    1. 0
      24 February 2024 14: 53
      Yes, the problem is not Pashinyan. Or do you sincerely think that if it were a conditional Stepanyan, Russia would now begin to fight for him with Azerbaijan and Turkey? Do not make me laugh..
      1. +5
        24 February 2024 17: 32
        Quote: Strange guest
        Yes, the problem is not Pashinyan. Or do you sincerely think that if it were a conditional Stepanyan, Russia would now begin to fight for him with Azerbaijan and Turkey? Do not make me laugh..

        Naturally, the problem is our inability to effectively influence events in this region (let’s put it this way), and everything else is information noise “for the good”...
        1. -6
          24 February 2024 20: 04
          Russia influences events in Iran. Armenians are nothing next to them.
  7. +5
    24 February 2024 13: 55
    Withdraw our military, all bases and border posts. My brother-in-law has been mobilized and is constantly fighting without replacement, and the personnel there is like a resort. Everyone to SVO.
  8. -7
    24 February 2024 14: 03
    If only on the side of Azerbaijan.
  9. -4
    24 February 2024 14: 08
    Hmm... well, if we want the Armenians to be like Georgia... then we don’t need to do anything... pretend that they will figure it out themselves! And then even those who are still for... will turn away from Russia.
    And find a reason
    What does the USA do .. if “problems” arise with those whom they consider allies - Israel, Taiwan... etc!
    they fit in! so as not to let go! ... whatever it was and remained - THEIR! and did not go to their opponents.
    And neutrals... especially neighbors! Can not be! ... them or YOURS! or YOUR ENEMY!
  10. DO
    -2
    24 February 2024 15: 28
    Quote: https://www.interfax-russia.ru/main/v-odkb-ne-poluchali-zayavleniy-o-priostanovke-chlenstva-ot-armenii
    February 23. Interfax-Russia.ru - “To date, the CSTO secretariat has not received any statements from Yerevan about the suspension of membership in the CSTO,” the CSTO press service told Interfax on Friday.

    However, sooner or later, with a high probability, a statement on the suspension of Armenia’s membership in the CSTO will come from Pashinyan. After which the size of the Russian base in Armenia will be reduced, or the base will be completely withdrawn to Russia. And then, one cannot but agree with the author:

    This “policy of appeasement” can only end in one way - the entry of Azerbaijani troops into the south of Armenia to create the Zanzegur corridor, which would connect Nakhichevan with the “mainland” and give Turkey direct land access to the Caspian Sea. Yerevan will not be able to prevent this on its own.

    After which the Armenians will be at a crossroads - drive Pashinyan to America and restore relations with Russia, or ultimately Pashinyan will successfully complete his mission, and the state of Armenia will no longer exist.
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    2. +1
      24 February 2024 20: 06
      Don’t forget to demolish the monument to Hitler’s Nzhdeh... the Armenians did not forget to desecrate the Russian temple in Karabakh.
    3. +1
      25 February 2024 14: 18
      Well, Yerevan will restore relations with Russia, so what? Will Russia immediately get involved in a war with Turkey and Azerbaijan in order to return Karabakh to the Armenians?
      1. DO
        0
        25 February 2024 15: 16
        What does this have to do with Karabakh, not recognized by Armenia, the claims to which the Armenians renounced, both in word and deed? We are talking about something completely different - about the very likely seizure by Azerbaijan of the Zanzegur corridor in the south of Armenia. This event would become a turning point in the history of Armenia, after which two lines are clearly visible - further surrender of Armenia’s positions until its disappearance as a state, or the expulsion of the Azerbaijani army from Armenian territory. And without Russia’s help, the latter is impossible, especially under Pashinyan’s rule.
        1. 0
          25 February 2024 19: 39
          Let Russia not go to war for the Zanzegur corridor with the Turks and Azerbaijanis.. Under any circumstances. How I didn’t go for Karabakh.

          The President of Artsakh (the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic) Arayik Harutyunyan appealed to Russian President Vladimir Putin on October 23 with a request to “do everything possible” for peace in the republic and recalled that the region was successfully part of the Russian Empire for more than a century.
          On May 14, 1805, in a Russian military camp on the banks of the Kurekchay River, the Treaty of Kurekchay was signed, confirming the transition of the Karabakh Khanate to the citizenship of the Russian Empire. The agreement was signed by Ibrahim Khalil Khan and the commander-in-chief of Georgia, Infantry General Tsitsianov (on behalf of Emperor Alexander I)

          Nothing helped - neither Russia’s declaration of the right to self-determination of peoples, nor requests for help, nor reminders of the past, which the President loves so much.

          And so, how does Artsakh differ from South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Transnistria, LPR and DPR? However, the Russian Federation helped all these entities, but Artsakh did not. Because he doesn’t want to quarrel with Baku and Ankara. And there will be no quarrel over the corridor.
          1. DO
            +1
            25 February 2024 20: 59
            Once again, the CSTO had no reason to fight for Artsakh/Nagorno-Karabakh, which is not recognized by Armenia itself. Several Russian soldiers have already given their lives for Russia’s peacekeeping mission in Karabakh.

            Quote: Strange guest
            Let Russia not go to war for the Zanzegur corridor with the Turks and Azerbaijanis.

            Of course, it would be strange to send Russian soldiers to shed blood by dragging Armenian chestnuts out of the fire. Especially after Armenia took upon itself the obligation to arrest the Russian president, and in fact, and at the request of Pashinyan, suspended its membership in the CSTO, and other unfriendly actions towards Russia. But in the event of the expulsion of Pashinyan by the Armenians, after Armenia’s official withdrawal from the Rome Statute of the ICC, and upon receipt of an official request from Armenia to Russia for help, why is it not possible for Russia to supply Armenia with weapons, advisers, the formation and training of units of Armenian volunteers at bases in Russia - based on Russian geopolitical interests?
  11. +5
    24 February 2024 15: 40
    I don’t know, in my opinion, for whom, for whom, and for Armenia and Azerbaijan, Russian soldiers do not need to speak out about their duty. We don't even have common borders. If Pashinyan wants it, then Western Azerbaijan should become part of Azerbaijan, and I don’t care about these traders. Now so many Armenians have come to Russia. Let them go to defend their homeland.
  12. -3
    24 February 2024 17: 14
    DOES SOMEONE NEED THE CSTO? Azerbaijan not only captured Artsakh (NK), but also occupied 150 sq. km. territory of Armenia itself. The CSTO was obliged to rebuff Aliyev, but did not budge. And it’s clear why. In addition to the Russian Federation, it includes Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, and Belarus. Azerbaijan is close friends with some of them on Islamic and Turkic platforms; Aliyev has a lot in common with the Belarusian father; they have almost indistinguishable regimes. When Lukashenko has friction with Russia, Aliyev promptly supplies his oil to help him. And when Aliyev attacked Armenia, then the father came to his aid, declaring that “Aliyev is absolutely our man.” Ilham Aliyev is indeed, admittedly, a strong political figure. His father, Heydar Aliyev, as president, refused to include Azerbaijan in this organization so as not to tie his hands. He did not need collective responsibility with Russia, since rapprochement with Turkey was his key priority. And son Ilham easily manipulates this organization when he wants to block decisions that are unnecessary to him. So there is nothing for Armenia there. True, the CSTO once became famous. This is when all the participating countries, including Pashinyan’s Armenia, sent their contingents to Kazakhstan to suppress unrest, and in fact an uprising against the stagnant and corrupt regime of the Elbasy. It turns out that the CSTO grossly violated its own charter twice. In the first case, when there was no external attack, the CSTO carried out a punitive expedition. And in the second, when the invasion was obvious, she did nothing. How long will such an organization exist, within which there are blatantly contradictory interests and where they easily wipe their feet on their own proclaimed principles?
    1. -4
      24 February 2024 20: 07
      Azerbaijan returned its own. Primakov warned the Armenians.
  13. +1
    24 February 2024 17: 32
    When considering the problems of Transcaucasia, it is important to consider that Azerbaijan kicked out Russia along with its Gabala radar station. Aliyev, playing at friendship, continues to squeeze out Russia and drag Turkey in there. It is also necessary to understand that Azerbaijan is one of four post-Soviet republics, along with the three Baltic ones, where Russophobia is enshrined in law.

    Constitutional Act of the Azerbaijan Republic dated October 18, 1991 No. 222-XII “On the restoration of state independence of the Azerbaijan Republic” On April 27-28, 1920, the RSFSR, grossly violating international legal norms, introduced parts of its armed forces into Azerbaijan without declaring war, occupied the territory of the sovereign Azerbaijan Republic, forcibly overthrew the legally elected authorities and put an end to independence, achieved at the cost of enormous sacrifices of the Azerbaijani people. Following this, Azerbaijan, just like in 1806-1828, was again annexed by Russia. The Treaty on the Formation of the USSR of December 30, 1922 was intended to consolidate this annexation. Subsequently, for 70 years, a policy of colonialism was carried out against the Republic of Azerbaijan, the natural resources of Azerbaijan were mercilessly exploited and its national wealth was stolen, the Azerbaijani people were subjected to persecution and repression, and their national dignity was trampled upon. Despite this, the Azerbaijani people continued their struggle for state independence.

    An immodest question: if Russia is always so bad for Azerbaijan, why does Aliyev send millions of his fellow tribesmen to occupy Russian markets?
    1. +2
      24 February 2024 19: 37
      However, at the referendum on preserving the USSR, Azerbaijan gave the following results:
      The number of citizens who took part in the referendum is 2, which is 903%
      The number of citizens who voted “For” is 2, which is 709%

      And Armenia banned holding a referendum on the preservation of the USSR on its territory. As well as Georgia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Moldova.
    2. -4
      24 February 2024 20: 08
      Compare the Russian diaspora of Azerbaijan and Armenia... in Armenia only the bulk hang out
  14. -3
    24 February 2024 17: 52
    N. Pashinyan’s interview with France-24 during his visit to Paris was replicated by Armenian Westerners in the context of the fact that Armenia has almost left the CSTO, will soon expel the Russian military base and arrest Putin, who is persistently seeking his resignation. This was preceded by propaganda tinsel - messages that Russian border guards would be removed from Zvartnots airport, that he was outraged that the military of the Russian base had arbitrarily arrested a Russian deserter, as well as information about imminent deliveries of French weapons to Armenia.
    But even a quick reading of Pashinyan’s interview indicates that everything is exactly the opposite.
    Pashinyan did not say that Armenia was leaving the CSTO (and the Russian Foreign Ministry confirmed this), he directly said that the issue of the Russian base was not being discussed at all, and also stated that he had “lost interest” in Russia’s attempts to overthrow his government. In other words, Pashinyan confirmed that Putin is not going to overthrow him, on the contrary, he is supporting his power in every possible way, including through the efforts of his opposition, and there will be no divorce from Russia.
    Pashinyan said that he was “not aware” that the Russian military had arrested a Russian citizen on the territory of Armenia and extradited him.
    Pashinyan also stated that the borders of Armenia, Azerbaijan, Ukraine and all other countries should be determined by the Alma-Ata Declaration and maps that are in the Russian General Staff.
    And how many shouts about the “divorce” of Armenia and Russia (From a message from Step1.am).
  15. -3
    24 February 2024 17: 59
    Why the fright? Pashinyan himself abandoned the Karabakh lands, which previous presidents had held since 91. He lost them in two years of rule, and Armenia itself, even before the surrender, recognized Karabakh as Azerbaijani territory. And Armenia itself was created by the tsarist and Soviet governments on land specially liberated for this purpose. In particular, the Erivan Khanate, in Yerevan, even demolished the residence of the Muslim governor.
  16. 0
    24 February 2024 18: 12
    I can't understand the 'present role played' (providing weapons) by France & India, inArmenia.
  17. -1
    24 February 2024 18: 35
    Our Mid is looking at this problem as they comment here. But we need to look at it like the Anglo-Saxons!! This is an ordinary Multi-Move and the Armenians and Azeris act as Pawns. The guys from Foggy Albion are playing a long game. Perdogan and Aliyev are not eternal, and Air Bases with seaports on the Caspian Sea are the best! You just need to guarantee the inviolability of Armenia’s borders in any case, that’s all! And Iskanders and Calibers have not been canceled
    1. -4
      24 February 2024 20: 12
      Armenian immunity is limited to a kiosk selling shawarma with burnt chicken and rotten tomatoes hi
  18. -1
    24 February 2024 19: 27
    Quote: Strange guest
    Why then should Armenians participate in the CSTO?

    Let's not forget that, speaking of centuries-old friendship with us, Armenian politicians have been oriented towards the United States since the end of the 19th century. After the First World War, the Armenian delegation went out of its way at the Paris Peace Conference to become a US mandated territory. President Wilson himself promised the Armenians that it would be so. But at that time there was no powerful Armenian lobby in the US Congress. And the US Congress did not support its president, refusing to accept Armenia under mandate control.
    But by the time of the collapse of the USSR, the Armenian lobby in the US Congress was already second in terms of influence, after the Israeli one.
    After the collapse of the USSR, the members of the Armenian caucus in the US Congress firmly raised the issue of the need to protect Armenia before the Administration of US President George W. Bush!
    And here the Administration of the President of the United States began to scratch their turnips. It is impossible to ignore the request of the Armenian lobby - it is very influential and is needed to resolve many other important issues for the US Presidential Administration. On the other hand, it is necessary to ensure the protection of Armenia in such a way as not to irritate the old NATO member - Turkey, with which the United States then had love and complete mutual understanding. And yet it is impossible not to offend a new friend - Yeltsin's Russia, where the best friend of the United States, Andrei Kozyrev, was then in charge of foreign affairs.
    It would seem that at that time the simplest solution would have been to admit Armenia to NATO. But this would just outrage Turkey and, probably, us, Russia too. Moreover, it was contrary to the NATO Charter, since states that have territorial disputes with neighboring NATO members cannot be admitted to NATO. Armenia lays claim to part of the territory of NATO member Turkey.
    It would be possible to place a US military base in Armenia. But this step will cause exactly the same reaction. And how can one explain to American taxpayers why the US needs a base in Armenia, when there are already US bases in neighboring Turkey?
    And then the United States made a clever Jesuit move. They recommended the Armenians to ask for a base…. at Russia. And the Armenians, who until recently sought to get away from Moscow to such an extent that they banned the holding of a referendum on the preservation of the USSR on the territory of Armenia, quickly changed their shoes and began to sing songs about the great friendship of the Armenian people to the great Russian people. And Kozyrev presented this case to Yeltsin in such a way that we could allegedly put a hedgehog in the pants of the United States and that the United States, they say, will not be able to do anything to us in response. Of course, this proposal delighted Yeltsin. As a result, Kozyrev received Yeltsin's favor, and Armenia received our base.
  19. 0
    24 February 2024 19: 31
    Quote: Norma51
    Pashinyan also stated that the borders of Armenia, Azerbaijan, Ukraine and all other countries should be determined by the Alma-Ata Declaration and maps that are in the Russian General Staff.

    Strange. Until now, Pashinyan has categorically refused to delimitate and demarcate the border with Azerbaijan on the basis of maps of the General Staff of the Soviet Army.
  20. 0
    24 February 2024 19: 41
    Quote: Norma51
    The CSTO was obliged to rebuff Aliyev,

    Is it possible to admit a country that is at war with another country into a defensive interstate union?
    Let's take NATO for everyone.
    NATO cannot be joined by countries that have territorial claims to their neighbors.
    Therefore, Turkey and Greece were accepted into NATO simultaneously on February 18, 1952 AFTER these countries renounced mutual claims to each other.
    Yes, we can say that both Armenia and Azerbaijan were accepted by the CSTO at the same time (well, formally, Armenia was a little earlier, but everyone understood that Azerbaijan would also be part of the CSTO).
    But these countries accepted into the CSTO without fulfilling the obligatory condition to remove all claims against each other.
    Yes, we could then comfort ourselves with the fact that, within the framework of the CSTO, these countries would rather come to an agreement with each other.
    But subsequent history showed that they did NOT AGREE.
    Moreover, because of our then clearly pro-Armenian position, in 1999 Azerbaijan did not renew its membership in the CSTO and decided to join the Non-Aligned Movement.
    Was it then possible to leave only Armenia in the CSTO?
    According to all international principles - it is impossible. If Azerbaijan did not prolong the membership, then it was necessary at least to freeze the membership of Armenia too.
    But this is ARMENIA!!!
    And everyone was sneezing at international principles.
    Just imagine that two members of the CSTO, for example, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, even before joining the CSTO, fought among themselves and Tajikistan occupied a quarter of the territory of Uzbekistan, including Bukhara, which Tajiks consider their historical territory.
    And in 1999, Uzbekistan (like Azerbaijan and Georgia) did not prolong its membership in the OBKB, offended by our pro-Tajik position.
    Well, how would the USA and the entire WEST mock us and the CSTO??? They say that the aggressor country Tajikistan is being held in the CSTO.
    The CSTO holds a country that has occupied a quarter of the neighboring country.
    Yes, we would simply be hunted down.
    But Armenia is not Tajikistan.
    Armenia has strong lobbies in the US Congress, in the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation and in European countries.
    And so Armenia gets away with everything.
  21. +1
    24 February 2024 19: 42
    Quote: Norma51
    Azerbaijan kicked out Russia along with its Gabala radar station.

    Who is talking about what, and the Armenians and sub-Armenians about Gabala.
    We didn’t really need this radar at the end of the 20th century. We even tried to fuse her to the side.
    So, on June 7, 2007, during the GXNUMX summit, Russian President Vladimir Putin proposed to US President George W. Bush to jointly use the Gabala radar station instead of deploying elements of the American missile defense system in Poland and the Czech Republic; in July, at a meeting of the Russia-NATO Council, the Russian delegation presented details of this proposal. Generals from the Pentagon were even allowed to visit the top-secret facility.
    Missile Defense Agency Director Patrick O'Reilly was enthusiastic about the prospects for joint use of the Gabala radar, emphasizing that "it would be a very effective system." However, after some time, the Americans delicately stated that their technical and technological standards do not correspond to the standards adopted in Russia.

    We have dismantled such stations in Russia too. Let me remind you that
    in Gabala there was a radar 5N79 / 90N6 “Daryal” (according to NATO classification - Pechora) - the second generation of Soviet radars for over-the-horizon detection of ballistic missile launches. For more than two decades, the Daryal stations served as one of the main elements of the USSR missile attack warning system (MAWS).

    The preliminary design was developed back in 1968.
    But only in 1984 the first station was put into operation.

    But these stations took so long to be built and put into operation that they were already outdated by the time they were put into operation.
    At the end of the last - beginning of this century, we ourselves began to demolish stations of this type. Those who were on Russian territory.

    Let me remind you that in 1980, in order to create a continuous radar field in the north-eastern missile-hazardous direction, the construction of the Daryal-U radar was launched in the Krasnoyarsk Territory (ORTU OS-3, Yeniseisk-15).
    But already in 1989 a decision was made to dismantle it.

    In 1982, construction began on the Daryal-U radar near the village of Mishelevka in the Irkutsk region (ORTU Usolye-Sibirskoye-7). By the beginning of the new century, the station was outdated.
    With the help of American specialists, the radar was partially refurbished and included in the global network of observations of the state of the atmosphere at altitudes from 150 to 1000 or more kilometers. But even for this the station did not have enough technical capabilities. Therefore, on June 21, 2011, the station was demolished; in 2012, a new type of radar “Voronezh” was built on the site of the transmitting position.
  22. +1
    24 February 2024 19: 45
    Quote: Norma51
    The CSTO was obliged to rebuff Aliyev, but did not budge.

    Even if Azerbaijani troops cross the border of Armenia with Azerbaijan (well, not exactly the border, since the border line is not demarcated on the ground, but clearly enters the territory of Armenia), then this will not give the CSTO a legal basis for intervention. Because the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict is, in principle, beyond the competence of the CSTO. Since the CSTO is obliged to help the CSTO member states that have been subjected to aggression. And in the conflict with Azerbaijan, the aggressor is Armenia itself. And since 1992. Because in 1992, after gaining sovereignty, it was not Azerbaijan that sent its troops, bypassing the UN Charter and without the sanction of the UN Security Council, into the territory of sovereign Armenia, but Armenia sent its troops, bypassing the UN Charter and without the sanction of the UN Security Council, into the territory of sovereign Azerbaijan.
    Since then, there has been a state of war between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Which, in fact, continues to this day. Since the war can only be ended by the unconditional surrender of one of the parties, or by a peace treaty by mutual agreement. But there was no peace treaty between Armenia and Azerbaijan. This means that the war is not over, but only frozen. But before the peace Treaty is signed, it may well be unfrozen. Moreover, in November 2020, hostilities were stopped not by the Armistice Treaty or even by the Ceasefire Agreement, but by a certain “Statement.” The legal status of such a form of international document as the “Multilateral Statement” is not entirely clear to me personally.
    In short, if Armenia is attacked by Georgia, Turkey or Iran, then the CSTO will certainly be obliged to come to the aid of Armenia. But if Azerbaijani troops approach Yerevan, even then the CSTO will have no legal grounds for intervention.
    Only if Armenia and Azerbaijan first conclude a peace Treaty, after which Azerbaijan takes aggressive actions against Armenia, then the CSTO will certainly be obliged to intervene.
    In the meantime, Armenia is the aggressor - the CSTO will not help the aggressor.
  23. 0
    25 February 2024 00: 29
    entry of Azerbaijani troops into the south of Armenia to create the Zanzegur corridor

    I think this is the only thing holding Pashinyan back from demanding the withdrawal of Russian troops. Azerbaijan also understands that fighting with Russia is not in its interests. Russia does not have to enter foreign territory in order to fight. Moreover, Russia has two years of combat experience in introducing hostilities. Pashinyan’s dream is to replace Russian peacekeepers with NATO ones. But the whole problem is logistics. Armenia is not Ukraine; delivery of troops and cargo is a big problem. Moreover, Armenia is landlocked. Moreover, Georgia and Armenia also have territorial claims against each other.
    1. -3
      25 February 2024 09: 25
      But Armenia borders Turkey, thousands of NATO peacekeepers can be delivered from there in a week, of course, if Turkey wishes
  24. +2
    25 February 2024 00: 41
    Quote: Seal
    since the border line is not demarcated on the ground, but clearly enters the territory of Armenia), then this will not give the CSTO a legal basis for intervention.

    Russia recognized the current territory of Armenia without Nagorno-Karabakh when it accepted Armenia into the CSTO! And if she admitted, she is obliged to defend! Another thing is that Armenia is obliged to fulfill its obligations, but does not fulfill them. Now Ukraine is shelling the Kursk and Belgorod regions. According to the CSTO agreement, Armenians must help at least guard the border. Did you see them there?!
  25. -1
    25 February 2024 09: 07
    The Armenians themselves chose TWICE....., hemorrhoids all over their heads... and the rest. And that we should be greater “Armenians” than the Armenians themselves? No... on your own... on your own... And when you’re ready, contact us, we’ll help...
  26. -3
    25 February 2024 09: 22
    Should Russia fight for Armenia if its membership in the CSTO is suspended?

    - Russia, as the heir of Byzantium, must protect Christians from destruction.
    1. +3
      25 February 2024 13: 07
      Russia doesn't owe anyone anything. Enough, let's feed the wolves. And then they call Russia an occupier.
  27. -1
    25 February 2024 09: 52
    In no case !
  28. 0
    25 February 2024 09: 58
    The more they kill each other, the better for Russia.
  29. +1
    25 February 2024 11: 06
    We need to give complete freedom to Azerbaijan and not interfere, they will quickly deal with this piece of shit, just like they dealt with Karabakh. The Armenians are very arrogant and ungrateful, look at how arrogantly and defiantly they behave in Sochi, Anapa, where they are simply off the charts by a meter, I constantly had conflicts with them, because I do not tolerate rudeness and rudeness. At every opportunity they will rip you off and rob you. The press wrote that in the markets there was an inspection based on complaints, so in all the Armenian ranks, their scales were deceived down to the kilogram, they are almost all members of criminal groups, the same police were bought outright. Everyone knows everything, but they do nothing.
  30. -2
    25 February 2024 13: 03
    A woman with a cart makes it easier for a mare. Persuading horses is more expensive for yourself. There are enough problems of our own.
  31. +2
    25 February 2024 13: 38
    Should Russia fight for Armenia if its membership in the CSTO is suspended?

    It definitely shouldn't.
  32. 0
    25 February 2024 20: 45
    1917 Armenia asks to enter the USA.
  33. +1
    26 February 2024 00: 32
    This was written in November 2020.

    Based on the results of the Azerbaijan-NKR (Armenia) war. The Russian Federation suffered a crushing defeat in the Caucasus and in the world. Türkiye (NATO) is the winner. Turkey, through Azerbaijan, entered the territory of the Caspian Sea, Central Asia, and the borders of the Russian Federation. Türkiye has shown how and with what it is necessary to fight in the 30st century. Türkiye has strengthened its economy and reduced its oil and gas dependence on the Russian Federation to zero. The defeat of the Russian Federation was to be expected: Baltic states - NATO; Ukraine - USA; Moldova-NATO, Abkhazia - Türkiye; Georgia - NATO; Armenia - USA; Azerbaijan - Türkiye; Kazakhstan - NATO, these are former republics of the USSR with a defined political vector. During the 1990 years of Yeltsin-Medvedev-Putin rule, the Russian Federation only lost its territory. Crimea was annexed by the military without the Kremlin's permission. Russia (USSR) as a result of the state. The coup in 30 lost 20% of its territory. A missed victory. On the first day of the Armenia-Azerbaijan war, the Russian Federation should have been forced to voluntarily sign Azerbaijan, Armenia and the NKR on the entry of the NKR into the Russian Federation. The annexation of the NKR to the Russian Federation would be a victory for the Russian Federation in the Caucasus. What can Azerbaijan-Türkiye do? Capture Armenia very quickly, it will be a small war. The Russian Federation will not provide any assistance to Armenia, except for Odessa noise. Azerbaijan can be considered the territory of Turkey. Georgia is NATO, no one will allow Russian troops into Armenia. Iran will remain silent. The Russian Federation will not fight with NATO over Armenia. After much international noise, Turkey will leave Armenia, but the Syunik region of Armenia will be annexed to Azerbaijan. This was the main goal of the war. Thus, the Nakhchivan enclave will be connected to Baku. Baku will increase its area by XNUMX% and will have direct access to Turkey. Türkiye has completed its immediate task in the Caucasus.
  34. +2
    26 February 2024 01: 33
    1001 reasons to think about the foreign policy of the Russian Federation and who was and is involved in it. In Ukraine, at first for many years the tongue-tied Chernomyrdin was in charge of kickbacks for gas transit, then the idiot Russophobe Zurabov convinced the permanent guarantor that he would resolve all issues with Petya Poroshenko. The main threat to our compradors were the only left-wing forces in Ukraine that were not Russophobic. It’s the same in Armenia - Pashinyan is loved by the Armenians only because he named the internal Armenian crooks with whom our compradors tried to resolve all issues, completely ignoring the overwhelming majority of the people.
    Hundreds of thousands of deaths in the Northern Military District are the price to pay for the complete misunderstanding by the majority of the people of the disastrous nature of such a government. You have to pay for the sleep of the mind. If the impatient West had not gone too far, they would have driven into the coffin so smoothly
  35. +2
    27 February 2024 22: 49
    Fight for corrupt Armenia? No way!!! The Russian rulers made a big mistake: they harnessed themselves to Armenia and pushed Azerbaijan away from them!!!
  36. 0
    1 March 2024 18: 07
    Geography is destiny. In addition, these people have lost the will to live... nothing can save them... Russia’s fight for Armenia is as pointless as the West’s for Ukraine.