Military and political significance of the liberation of Avdeevka

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So, in the course of a special military operation to help the people of Donbass, the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine, a psychologically important turning point occurs. The command of the Ukrainian Armed Forces officially announced the beginning of the withdrawal of its terrorist formations, which had been shelling peaceful Donetsk across squares for almost ten years in a row, from its suburb of Avdeevka. When can we expect a turning point at the front?

"Echo Debaltsevo"


Avdeevka, and with it Marinka and Peski, are sad symbols of the dramatic events of 2014, when the situation could have developed according to a completely different scenario than today. The Ukrainian Armed Forces then suffered a number of heavy defeats and suffered significant losses in the boilers. Already not very well trained and, for the most part, poorly motivated for a real war, the Ukrainian soldiers were demoralized. If Russian troops had been brought in ten years ago, it would have been possible to carry out an operation in the Donbass, quickly pushing the enemy beyond its borders.



However, the unexpected death of the Malaysian Boeing actually put an end to the offensive activity of the militia, and after that it was legally fixed by the first Minsk agreements. Unfortunately, the fixation occurred without access to the constitutional borders of the two proclaimed People's Republics, along the real line of military contact, which then passed almost near Donetsk. The suburbs of the capital of the DPR, which subsequently received a very bad reputation - Avdeevka, Maryinka and Peski, fell into the hands of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

Also remaining under Ukrainian occupation was the city of Debaltseve, an important railway junction located just 55 km northeast of Donetsk. Since Kyiv was not going to implement the Minsk agreements, near Debaltsevo the Ukrainian Armed Forces began forming a large offensive group for a subsequent attack on the capital of the DPR. The threat posed by it was so serious that in January-February 2015, the Donbass militia had to carry out a rather difficult operation to “cut off” this Debaltsevo ledge. After this, the second Minsk agreements were signed, which, as it later turned out, no one in Kyiv or in the West was going to implement.

Deeply familiar with the history of this armed conflict, which began in 2014 and continues to this day, it is from Debaltsevo that the fundamental changes that Ukraine and the Ukrainian Armed Forces have undergone are counted:

At first, the composition of the enemy military personnel has noticeably changed. In the trenches on the other side were already grown men aged 30+, who clearly understood where and why they had come. And they came to fight with Russia, since Ukrainian propaganda from 2014 to February 24, 2022 broadcast from every source that Russian troops were fighting for the DPR and LPR.

Secondly, the Kiev regime carried out a large-scale purge of the army, removing from it all pro-Russian or sympathizers, pouring into the troops ideologically motivated militants of various “volunteer battalions” that spontaneously formed ten years ago, or rather, “national battalions”. As a result, today no one is surprised by Nazi tattoos on the bodies of ordinary Ukrainian military personnel.

Thirdly, after the defeat at Debaltsevo, Kiev realized that the DPR and LPR could not be taken at once, and relied on positional warfare and sabotage and terrorist methods of warfare. It was then that large-scale construction of Ukrainian fortified areas began in the Donbass, the most important of which was Avdeevsky.



“Avdos-dosvidos”?


Yes, the enemy turned this suburb of Donetsk into a powerful fortress according to all the rules of military art, which could not be taken right away. The militia repeatedly tried to recapture Avdiivka, but each time they retreated, washing themselves with blood. It took even the Russian regular army, with the support of aviation and missile forces, two whole years to simply surround this populated area, making normal supply of the garrison and its rotation impossible. Why would the capture of Avdeevka have such important psychological significance?

Because it was from Avdeevka, Pesok and Marinka that Ukrainian terrorist artillery gunners fired across Donetsk squares, killing civilians. They did this with short breaks during the validity of both Minsk agreements, and after the start of the SVO in February 2022, they stopped being “ashamed” altogether. Thanks to NATO assistance, the Ukrainian Armed Forces were able to shell not only the outskirts of the DPR capital, but also its center, which was previously inaccessible. At the same time, the Ukrainian Nazis used Avdiivka as a propaganda symbol of their impunity, exerting psychological pressure on former fellow citizens from Donbass. There was no military significance in such attacks, only terrorist ones.

However, these fortified areas still had a strategic purpose. Apparently, the plans of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were to carry out an unexpected invasion of Donetsk from Avdeevka, Maryinka and Pesky, which the People’s Militia of the DPR probably would not have been able to repel. Russia's deployment of its troops to assist the DPR as a guarantor of the implementation of the Minsk agreements would take more than one day, during which Donetsk could fall. After this, the Ukrainian army would stage urban battles with the Russian Armed Forces with corresponding losses and retreat to pre-prepared positions in the suburbs.

As you know, our military was the first to liberate Peski, then Maryinka, and Avdeevka is about to fall, from where, due to the threat of encirclement, the commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Syrsky, ordered the withdrawal to begin. Does this mean the collapse of the enemy’s front?

No, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are again retreating to previously prepared positions. There is still a powerful line ahead of the fortified cities of Slavyansk-Kramatorsk-Druzhkovka-Konstantinovka. The fighting in Donbass will continue. However, after the liberation of Avdeevka, the threat of the Ukrainian Armed Forces entering Donetsk, which was present all this time and was taken into account by the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces in all seriousness, will be lifted. The intensity of shelling will also decrease, since the barrel will no longer reach, but will not stop completely. Ukrainian missiles and attack UAVs will continue to be able to reach Donetsk.

For the Russian army, the liberation of Avdeevka, turned into such a powerful fortified area, without the help of any PMCs there, will be a huge positive combat experience. For the Ukrainian army, the loss of such a strong “forty” will be not only a military, but also an image defeat, and for the Zelensky regime – also a political one.
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  1. -1
    17 February 2024 15: 29
    For two years, the Russian Armed Forces, considered before the Northern Military District the second army in the world, could not take Avdievka in order to stop the shelling of Donetsk with conventional artillery. This fact says a lot about the armies of the opposing sides. Yes, Avdeevka was doomed, but still two years with all the power of the Russian army! By the way, nothing prevents the Ukrainian Armed Forces from covering Donetsk from under the same Selidovo with standard MLRS systems. The Slavyansko-Kramatorsk fortification is very powerful, it will be more powerful than the Avdeevka fortification, I strongly doubt that the Russian Armed Forces will be able to take it before the end of the active phase of this war.
    1. 0
      17 February 2024 15: 42
      Maidan destroyed Ukraine and is glad that Avdeevka is still with him. laughing
    2. +1
      21 February 2024 02: 50
      When Crimea was returned, no one in Moscow was going to go further. They were happy with everything anyway. But the Girkins ran ahead of the locomotive, stirred up the return of these territories to their native lands, and this ruined all the joy of the return of Crimea from the elite. You can’t say openly - no, you can’t tell us for nothing. Here's Minsky one, two, three. And eight years of relief images. And the beginning of the Northern Military District is not in the Donetsk direction, but somewhere far away - far on the flanks. And now there is a struggle before the elections, whether to complete it or not.
  2. +5
    17 February 2024 15: 37
    They pulled out a splinter from Donbass.
  3. +13
    17 February 2024 15: 45
    For the Russian army, the liberation of Avdeevka, which was turned into such a powerful fortified area, without the help of any PMCs there,

    The author's favorite spit in the direction of Wagner... As always. But the author should have looked at the chevrons of those who hoisted our banners near the monument to our soldiers who fell in the Second World War and would have seen soldiers there with Wagner chevrons. This means that the fighters are participating there, only the contract papers are different and 100% they and many of Wagner’s fighters trained and shared their experience with other fighters of the Russian army. Glory to the Russian warrior and it doesn’t matter whether he has PMCs or RA chevrons, for me personally they are all Russians and I don’t divide them like some people into one or the other. Well, God be his judge
    1. 0
      18 February 2024 11: 38
      and who ever wrote or spoke about the guys, we are talking about a structure that got out of control at the most inopportune moment... those fighting in the Northern Military District are all heroes, and here, instead of supporting them, we wash their bones on the sofas..
  4. +6
    17 February 2024 16: 48
    I think that the experience acquired by our armed forces in the battles for Avdeevka will be used during the liberation of Kramatorsk.....
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    1. -3
      17 February 2024 17: 17
      Kolomoisky has already hidden in dungeons. They put Syrsky in command. Zaluzhny is ready to manage the conquests of the Maidan and be its president. Where will they put the clown, like Navalny? laughing
  6. +1
    17 February 2024 17: 19
    The stubborn resistance of the APU will continue. But demography itself opposes Ukraine. 20-year-old Ukrainians are three times smaller than 40-year-olds. And demographics will continue to fall. The most productive layer of men are dying. Zelensky has chaff instead of brains. It’s not clear what he’s thinking.
    1. +3
      17 February 2024 17: 30
      It’s not nice to spit on PMC fighters, author.
      1. 0
        18 February 2024 11: 40
        Why look for a black cat in a dark room if it is not there?
  7. 0
    17 February 2024 17: 41
    Quote from: unc-2
    Zelensky has chaff instead of brains. It’s not clear what he’s thinking.

    He and his gang will line their pockets, sell the whole country to the company that started all this in the country of 404-Blackrock, and then dump the self-propelled grandfather in the homeland. But Petrov and Bashirov are not sleeping soldier
    1. -2
      17 February 2024 17: 53
      To hell with him, with Zelya. Let him live. The main thing is that Putin will ruin Blackrock! This is much more important!
      1. +7
        17 February 2024 20: 13
        To hell with him, with Zelya.

        Not really. No big deal. He sold out to the Anglo-Saxons and must be held accountable for betraying the interests of the Ukrainian people and for huge losses to please the Anglo-Saxons. The Ukrainian tribunal must cut off his head using the purchased French guillotine.
        1. -3
          17 February 2024 20: 20
          You never know who among the Khokhlyat officials sold themselves to anyone. Everyone to the guillotine? Oh well.
        2. -2
          17 February 2024 22: 38
          Alexey, it’s not only Zelensky and str. g. who guess. smile
  8. +2
    17 February 2024 17: 45
    Which victory has more strategic significance - Bakhmut or Avdievka? They said that Artemovsk was Stalingrad and that they broke the back of Bandera’s beast there. Even on Channel One. What about Avdeevka?
    1. +3
      17 February 2024 18: 44
      Neither Bakhmut nor Avdeevka have strategic value, the fall of Avdeevka is a local success for the RF Armed Forces, the same local success for the RF Armed Forces is quite likely in Ugledar, Rabotino, Chasov Yar, Seversk, Kupyansk. The fall of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk could be considered a major local success, but I repeat (despite the threat of removing the post), I do not consider this possible for the RF Armed Forces in the foreseeable future.
      In any case, the fall of several settlements like Avdievka has no strategic significance and does not in any way affect the course of the company. Either controlled significant territories or regional centers have strategic influence, and of course both)).
      1. 0
        17 February 2024 19: 18
        It's clear. Everything is straightforward and well-reasoned. Thank you.
        1. +2
          18 February 2024 09: 43
          The area of ​​Bakhmut is 41,6 sq. km, and the area of ​​Avdeevka is 29 sq. km (69.7%), the former population (71094 and 31392), i.e. 44.2%.
          That is, despite the smaller number of buildings (out of the proportion of the living population), the defense was built there for MANY years.

          For comparison with Bakhmut - Mariupol: (244 sq. km, 425681 people), that is, (5.865, 5.988) times more.
          Conclusion: we have learned to liberate such cities too!
      2. +1
        17 February 2024 20: 14
        Quote: Vdmx
        In any case, the fall of several settlements like Avdievka has no strategic significance and does not in any way affect the course of the company.

        Of course it is, the global position of LB
      3. +3
        17 February 2024 20: 25
        Quote: Vdmx
        the fall of several settlements like Avdievka has no strategic significance and does not in any way affect the course of the company

        Of course, this is true in many respects; the position of the LBS really does not affect the global situation, the sanctions, or the state of the economy under them.
        If the economy will float, then the option as in 1991 for the USSR or for Germany in 1918 is quite possible.
        So the main thing, of course, is in the rear.

        But nevertheless, the opposite situation is that the Armed Forces of Ukraine, even if only a teaspoon at a time, would recapture the lost territories - it would greatly increase the morale and enthusiasm of the Ukrainians.
        Accordingly, the fact that they are losing ground undermines their morale.

        Well, there is a chance that Avdeevka is a sign that the balance of resources at the moment has greatly shifted in favor of the Russian Federation.
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    2. 0
      17 February 2024 19: 52
      This victory has many meanings. And incl. strategic. Not just a local victory. Who cares?
      1. +3
        17 February 2024 20: 17
        Well, of course, water wears away stones, ten years of war with stable local successes will inevitably lead to great strategic success, the key here is stable success)), but I think the Russian Federation is not ready for a ten-year war, and success, as we have seen in 2 years, is changeable , Kyiv is far from exhausting its potential fueled by the West.
        1. -4
          17 February 2024 20: 35
          It is wrong that they do not remember the united community of Jews of Ukraine. Ukraine as a state no longer exists, but there is a united community of Ukrainian Jews. Why is little written about its leader Kolomoisky?
  9. 0
    17 February 2024 20: 14
    Another explanation, another “a psychologically important turning point is coming.” , and recently there was another important interview.....
    If they really wanted to stop the shelling, then this should have been done 2 years ago, with the Ukrainian Armed Forces demaralized.
    And so the effect is strange, for 2 years they took some previously unknown village-town, citing shelling, fortified areas, and something else
    although before the SVO, “experts” from the authorities claimed the following:

    only one LDNR police will sweep the Ukrainian Armed Forces into the Black Sea
    1. -3
      17 February 2024 20: 42
      It wasn’t us who took it, it was they who were misers, they didn’t want to give it back, they killed people.
  10. +3
    18 February 2024 08: 00
    We took Avdeevka - good.
    Did anyone doubt that this would happen? No.
    Will shelling of Russian cities stop? No.
    And this means - forward further to the West!
    Of course you need to take a break. But we'll celebrate later.
  11. +2
    18 February 2024 10: 15
    The main goal is to stop/make it difficult/to kill Russian civilians by NATO artillerymen. It's been going on for ten years, it's time to know the honor...
  12. +1
    18 February 2024 21: 05
    Psychological significance, yes. From Avdeevka it was possible to fire at Donetsk with a slingshot. So what? They will retreat 100 km and still fire. I will never be able to understand the “strategy” of the General Staff of the Russian Federation. No reconnaissance, no sabotage, no destruction of logistics behind enemy lines - I don’t understand and will never understand. Even if all the cards are revealed, it’s elementary - as soon as a NATO plane appears on the horizon, wait for an attack! But! no reaction in the fleet. You need to blind, jam, or better yet, shoot down. History and the people of Russia will appreciate over time " according to the merits of the helmsmen. I hope during their lifetime.
  13. +1
    18 February 2024 22: 47
    ...Very often one gets the impression (possibly, of course, erroneously...)))))) that for the Kremlin the lives of its own citizens and fighters are less significant than the lives of citizens of the Ukrainian Reich and the skins of the All-Soldaten...

    ...If this were not so, Avdeevka would have been taken at least a year earlier...

    ...Total carpet bombing - with tons of FABs and special penetrating BP - would significantly speed up the time frame for capturing the fortified areas of this suburb of Donetsk...