The Russian Armed Forces have created unique tactical strike and assault formations to “break into” the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

What is happening in the Northern Military District zone is being comprehensively studied by military analysts. For example, Russian expert Vladislav Shurygin tried to answer a number of important questions in his Telegram channel. Are the Russian Armed Forces capable of carrying out a large strategic offensive and is there a “curse of the First World War” when defense becomes the main type of combat for all sides?

According to the expert, currently the main difficulty of the troops is the stage of breaking through the front line. At the same time, Russia cannot afford to make a breakthrough according to the standards of the Red Army during the Second World War with thousands of dead and hundreds of thousands of shells fired. But until recently, there was no other way to conduct an offensive.

The Wagner assault on Bakhmut, when by the spring of 2023, the losses of the Wagner during this assault amounted to almost 50% of all Russian losses during the war, is definitely not an example of how to fight. With such losses today, not only the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but also we would be carrying out the third or fourth wave of mobilization! But the experience of assault urban battles itself was unique

- he noted.

The expert noted that since December 2023, unique assault detachments have appeared in the ranks of the Russian Armed Forces; they are called “assaults.” They are mixed combat groups (formations) the size of a battalion or regiment, which includes the most proactive military personnel, including infantrymen, snipers, sappers, signalmen, reconnaissance officers, spotters, medics, i.e. everyone who can be useful in taking a well-protected opornik enemy. The actions of the attack aircraft are supported by the combat control center, artillerymen, UAV operators and electronic warfare equipment.

In fact, new tactical shock-assault formations (USF) have emerged

- he added.

Shurygin pointed out that very quickly these CSFs began to show their effectiveness. It was they who recently took Marinka, and now they are “hacking” the defenses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Avdeevka. According to the expert, a tool has been created to overcome “impenetrable” defenses. But the effectiveness of this tool has yet to be honed during the Northern Military District, taking into account the modern realities of combat operations.

The processes taking place at the front today allow us to hope that by spring our army will reach a qualitatively new level of combat operations and the notorious “curse of the First World War” will finally be overcome

He summed up.
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  1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 11 February 2024 11: 36
    Having no analogues in the world...
    1. IMHO Offline IMHO
      IMHO (nikitoss) 11 February 2024 22: 22
      Removed from the tongue! )))))
  2. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 11 February 2024 11: 48
    So how did Wagner’s attack aircraft differ from the USHF? only because they were limited in various types of BP, this was the reason for their huge losses and this became the reason for Prigozhin’s rebellion, and now all sorts of iksperds cite the storming of Artyomovsk as an example of how not to do it.
    1. serivolkf1 Offline serivolkf1
      serivolkf1 (sergey wolf) 11 February 2024 22: 36
      well, it’s already good, it’s time to take the cook’s noodles out of his ears... there, worthy guys were also intimidated with punishment for fear of dying not heroically...
    2. svoroponov Online svoroponov
      svoroponov (Vyacheslav) 12 February 2024 12: 10
      Nobody limited them. They had plenty of this ammunition in their warehouses in the rear, but for some reason they were not delivered to the front. The Wagnerites used mainly artillery support from our armed forces and demanded continuous fire support, while often not giving the coordinates of targets or even their location, and UAVs were not very good for reconnaissance. Therefore, our artillery from the Armed Forces no longer conducted targeted fire, but barrage fire in directions and areas, and such a mode implies an overexpenditure of shells. In addition, in Ukraine there were problems with logistics for the delivery of ammunition and so on. Sometimes in one area there could be up to 3 settlements with the same name, and the settlements themselves often simply moved from one to another and guess where and which one. It seems clear from the map, but in reality on the ground......?. In addition, the renaming of different NPs by the Ukrainians caused confusion. Therefore, during delivery, it was necessary to be accompanied by someone who knew where to take it, which often did not work out.
      Yes, there was no talk about 20000 killed, and no commander simply could have known about the group’s losses unless he worked at the group’s headquarters, but I don’t think that anyone would have voiced this from there. The latest information about the Wagnerites was about just over 8000 casualties in a video with Prigozhin from a cemetery in Krasnodar. Just over 800 people are buried there.
      But about 8000 is also generally decent. But they were at the forefront of attacks in their sector against the most motivated Ukrainian units and fortified positions.
      Based on 20000, this is most likely the total losses of the Wagner troops for the entire operation, and even then these are killed or even wounded who will no longer be able to return back to the front, where they fought not only in one place.
      1. Eduard Viktorovich (Eduard Viktorovich) 13 February 2024 14: 35
        Your post looks like some kind of excuse. ... NP is not like that ... the coordinates are crooked ... some kind of nonsense, I was in the hospital with the Wagnerites ... they went to a contract with the Army because of larger payments ... they spoke about the army men as if they were not ice ... in three lost in the pines...
      2. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 14 February 2024 20: 37
        (Vyacheslav) Don’t cast a shadow on the fence. The Wagnerites were the most professional fighters and there was no such nonsense as you told (this happened in the line units). The Wagnerites were the first to massively use UAVs for reconnaissance and attack, and controlled the assault based on the vision of the battlefield from the UAV (Syrian experience). Artillery support was called for targets with coordinates. Here there were hiccups due to internal disagreements - the Russian Armed Forces looked too indecent in comparison with the actions of the Wagnerites... The main overexpenditure of ammunition and artillery barrels occurred in the summer of 2022, when, under the pressure of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they began to look for counteraction, then they used “fire shafts”, then They fired at squares, and the result was “lunar landscapes” with almost zero casualties. It was the wise men from the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces who did this, using up many hundreds of thousands of tons of ammunition, and later, following the example of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they began to saturate UAVs and more precisely deliver artillery strikes. Conclusion: you are making a gag or defending the failed actions of the high command of the Russian Armed Forces.
  3. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
    Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 11 February 2024 12: 14
    The “Wagner” assault on Bakhmut, when by the spring of 2023, the losses of the “Wagners” during this assault amounted to almost 50% of all losses of the Russian side

    So, how much were all the losses of the Russian side, if the losses of musicians for Soledar and Bakhmut amounted to 20 thousand killed (Words of the deputy commander of the PMC)? And this is for the spring of 2023. How much now? I think there were about 100 thousand, including Avdeevka. And at the same time, the downvotes give me downvotes for proposing the use of tactical nuclear weapons. These subjects do not feel sorry for our next tens of thousands of fighters. A breakthrough of layered defense using tactical nuclear weapons would have a good effect.
    1. H.J.P. Offline H.J.P.
      H.J.P. (HJP) 11 February 2024 13: 03
      We will then live on this earth.
      1. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
        Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 11 February 2024 13: 30
        I hope you won’t go to live on earth at the site of the breakthrough. In addition, during an airborne tactical nuclear strike, contamination of the area is insignificant and practically disappears over time. Learn civil defense.
        1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
          k7k8 (vic) 11 February 2024 19: 17
          Quote: Alexey Lan
          I hope you don’t go to live on earth at the site of the breakthrough

          It seems that you have already written an application to the migration service to move to the specified zone and for financial assistance for the move?
        2. Watching Offline Watching
          Watching (Alex) 11 February 2024 22: 05
          Starting to use nuclear weapons will not go unanswered, they are just waiting for this to pulverize Russia. Didn't you hear what the president said? Applicable, but in case of existential necessity.
        3. strange guest Offline strange guest
          strange guest (Strange Guest) 12 February 2024 00: 12
          Indiscriminate action. There was an air blast of 13 kilotons over Hiroshima. Like a modern tactical charge. Too many civilians will get charred. All major support workers who deserve tactical nuclear weapons are not in the open field. The world won't understand.
        4. Eduard Viktorovich (Eduard Viktorovich) 13 February 2024 14: 37
          NOT funny...enough of Chernobyl.
      2. Glagol1 Offline Glagol1
        Glagol1 (Andrei) 11 February 2024 15: 04
        Contamination of the area from tactical nuclear weapons is small, moreover, it quickly decreases and quickly stops. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were quickly rebuilt and there has been no radiation there for a long time. But the use of tactical nuclear weapons must pose a clear threat to the existence of Russia, and we are basically fighting on foreign territory. The 404 is an existential threat. But thank God they don’t have weapons of mass destruction.
        1. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
          Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 11 February 2024 15: 59
          In terms of the concept of using nuclear weapons, you are right, but what can you say if, in the process of a long confrontation, the economy of the Russian Federation degrades very much, or when conducting offensive operations, the losses of the Russian Armed Forces will amount to tens of thousands killed. And what to choose? Changing the concept of nuclear weapons or the death of soldiers?
          1. Sergey Prutkov55 (Sergey Prutkov55) 11 February 2024 18: 30
            In Ukraine, nuclear weapons are unnecessary. Why spoil your territory. You need conventional high-power weapons to clear the area before advancing 20-30 kilometers. The rest is cleared using grenade launchers. And more panic in the enemy ranks. How ? Anyone. Just go around the cities. Before this, immobilize the enemy by knocking out fuel reserves and ammunition depots.
            1. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
              Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 11 February 2024 22: 47
              You need conventional high-power weapons to clear the area before advancing 20-30 kilometers.

              It would be nice to do this, but we can’t even move 5 km. At best, 1 km. The near future will show what we are capable of. Winter is ending. For some reason they don't bypass cities. The weapon is very powerful and costs a lot. TNW will be cheaper and more effective. If we are down again until the fall, then we will have to use tactical nuclear weapons. There simply won't be any other way out. I feel sorry for the Ukrainians. Yes, it is a pity. Well, don’t you feel sorry for ours? By the way, the use of tactical nuclear weapons will allow us to quickly end the war, which is called SVO. And these are many thousands of lives, both ours and even those of Ukrainians.
              1. svoroponov Online svoroponov
                svoroponov (Vyacheslav) 12 February 2024 12: 18
                Why move fast? You should feel sorry for your soldiers. Reconnaissance, suppression and destruction of the enemy and only then entering for clearing operations, and clearing the area for passage of people and equipment also takes quite a lot of time. That's why they're not in a hurry. People are more valuable than time. The main thing is to grind down the enemy’s manpower, successfully, with minimal losses of their own. This is the tactic chosen.
                1. strange guest Offline strange guest
                  strange guest (Strange Guest) 13 February 2024 22: 10
                  It’s good that the Red Army did not have such tactics. Otherwise they would have stood on the Volga for years.
            2. strange guest Offline strange guest
              strange guest (Strange Guest) 12 February 2024 00: 14
              Cities with garrisons cannot be left - a threat to both communications and breakthrough units. They themselves may find themselves in the boiler without fuel and lubricants and shells.
          2. assault 2019 Offline assault 2019
            assault 2019 (assault 2019) 14 February 2024 19: 31
            We need to change the concept of recruiting assault troops.
            Conduct a mass mobilization of guest workers who have received Russian citizenship since 1990.
            Who refuses to fight, suitcase-station-aul.....
        2. Sergey Prutkov55 (Sergey Prutkov55) 11 February 2024 18: 36
          This is the territory of the Russian Empire. The Russian Federation is the direct successor not only of the USSR, but also of Tsarist Russia. Who doesn’t know, the Russian Federation paid off the debts of the Russian Empire. We paid off the debts, now we need to get our assets back. So the territory is not alien. This is all the fruit of enemy propaganda. Not forgetting that power there was seized and not obtained through elections. False elections after the dispersal of the opposition do not count. There is no legitimate authority there.
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    3. serivolkf1 Offline serivolkf1
      serivolkf1 (sergey wolf) 11 February 2024 22: 41
      from one extreme to another, for you we fill them with corpses and you propose to burn all the ukrov with a shaitan bomb... maybe we need a little prudence!
  4. beeper Offline beeper
    beeper 11 February 2024 12: 41
    Then call them USB-shock assault brigades (battalions?)!
    By analogy with our Soviet DShB and Red Army ShSB (or "ShiSBy")!
    This will sound militant and threatening, cocky, masculine! wink
    Moreover, “among the people”, among the soldiers, the common nouns “USHeBe”, “UShiBy” (or even “ShiBanutye” - desperate, dashing in unbridled prowess) are more likely to take root than “UShiFy” (then just “SheFy” ???).
    And what is this “non-sounding” USF with the ambivalent word “formation” of the neuter “it”?! request
    After all, “whatever you call the ship, that’s how it will sail!”
    Therefore, it’s better to name it correctly from the beginning! smile
    An example from “Ukrainian life” - It was, although we haven’t heard of them for a long time (apparently the “magic of the name” worked and something else), they stupidly renamed the Armed Forces of Ukraine (to please the militant nationalists and so that “it would definitely not be like in USSR and RF") are former Airborne Forces in the DShV, and in speech it sounds like “DeSheVe”, i.e. on the “state language” - a direct analogy (which the initiators of the renaming are “Ukrainian” Russian-speaking Maidan politicians - “professional Ukrainians”, opportunistically, and through the roof - funny “in Surzhikov’s style”, “switched” to a “state language” that is not their own ", didn't even feel it?) "DeShoVoe" (in Ukrainian vernacular "desheve" is like the Russian "cheap", something junk, low quality, not worth taking seriously)! request
  5. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 11 February 2024 13: 21
    The Germans, as legislators of the art of war, always looked for and found new methods and tactics during operations. (Officer School). In the second half of the Second World War, the Germans created such combined units into one combat “strike group” and named them by the name of the commander. Initially, combined assault groups have been used for a long time. So we have to remember old experience and look for new methods and tactics in the changing circumstances of military operations. And about the names. New weapons, tactics, etc. appear in the Northern Military District. The new names used are confusing, in several variants. and without a clear definition. For example: assault assault formations (NSF). Shock and assault are essentially synonymous formations; there is uncertainty in composition. Conclusion: the term does not correspond to the designation.. Perhaps better: combined assault (integrated assault) groups, brigades, divisions, with the addition of a commander or place of action. The RF Ministry of Defense also needs such regulation of new designations for adoption.
    1. twice-born Offline twice-born
      twice-born (Unknown) 11 February 2024 22: 34
      Yeah, only we can learn from the fascists! Why did the Germans, so tough, smart, experienced and educated, with their “officer school”, then retreat from us in the second half of the Great Patriotic War, right up to Berlin?!
      1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 12 February 2024 11: 35
        Replica. To perceive the enemy truthfully is not a eulogy, but a mandatory component for improving one’s strengths. According to the Germans in WWII, one must be amazed at the resilience and strength of the Wehrmacht, which has been at war with the whole world since 1942 (the merit of “Führer” Hitler, who declared war on the USA).
        1. twice-born Offline twice-born
          twice-born (Unknown) 12 February 2024 14: 29
          We have already accepted the enemy truthfully 81 years ago, and since 43 we have driven him from our land and defeated him in his own lair! So you’ve already learned from the “legislators of military science,” and there’s no need for you to learn from those who lost to us now!
          And what kind of “whole world” did the Wehrmacht fight with?! Was he fighting with his masters and sponsors, the impudent Americans, who, since June 44, pretended to be at war with them? And then the Germans in April and May regiments surrendered to the Allies without a fight and until August they stood in combat readiness in their “captivity”, many with weapons, to attack Russia!
          They "fought" awesomely! There, “the whole world” was just us, who really fought, just with the whole world, with all of Europe for sure!
          1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 12 February 2024 19: 23
            Replica. Losses of the Red Army to the Wehrmacht in the first half of the Second World War: 11 to 1, in the second half 7 to one. As a result, we won with almost tenfold losses (8 to 1). They won because they could sacrifice so many of their soldiers; other states were not capable of such sacrifices. Draw the right conclusions.
      2. svoroponov Online svoroponov
        svoroponov (Vyacheslav) 12 February 2024 12: 23
        There is no shame in learning from everyone if it is effective. The same Germans, having watched the landing in 1936 during our exercises, took this into service. Yes, many people adopted something based on the model and likeness.
  6. AlOrg Offline AlOrg
    AlOrg (Alex Ivanov) 11 February 2024 15: 59
    There will be no breakthroughs until one of the sides gains comprehensive superiority in the main types of weapons, reconnaissance and target designation equipment. Our army lacks advantages in counter-battery warfare, unmanned aerial vehicles, communications, space and electronic reconnaissance. The Air Force lacks an advantage in the air and the provision of projectiles. The side that quickly eliminates its shortcomings will begin to attack
  7. sannyhome Offline sannyhome
    sannyhome 11 February 2024 16: 03
    Russian expert Vladislav Shurygin on his Telegram channel

    and this assault accounted for almost 50% of all losses of the Russian side during the war

    Wow, what a cool telegram expert! Shoigu himself reports to him about the losses! Amazing...
  8. Kiril Offline Kiril
    Kiril (Kiril) 11 February 2024 17: 52
    Expert Shurygin - it sounds like his brain tongue
  9. Sergey Prutkov55 (Sergey Prutkov55) 11 February 2024 18: 21
    In order not to have large losses, we must remember the methods of the Americans in Iraq. They collected all the grenade launchers in the United States and did not allow enemy infantry closer than two kilometers. Before moving, everything was processed by grenade launchers, any rustle. And before that, it would be good to burn out the frontal area and the near rear with thermobaric charges. It is necessary to increase the density of fire at the breakthrough site several times.
    1. svoroponov Online svoroponov
      svoroponov (Vyacheslav) 12 February 2024 12: 27
      They couldn’t take Raku, having a 10-fold advantage. So simply, the bombings crushed her, along with the civilians, into dust.
      Although you may be right, burn everything out with fire and a hot iron.
  10. dubas Offline dubas
    dubas 11 February 2024 19: 10
    Quote: Sergey Latyshev
    Having no analogues in the world...

    namely, past military operations.
  11. twice-born Offline twice-born
    twice-born (Unknown) 11 February 2024 22: 29
    They won’t come up with anything to excuse themselves and say that now, just a little more, and how we’ll jump out, how we’ll jump out! So already 2 years!
    1. svoroponov Online svoroponov
      svoroponov (Vyacheslav) 12 February 2024 12: 31
      In more detail: who is trying to make excuses? Where is this stated? And by whom?
      On the contrary, they say that they will finish when all the stated goals are achieved, without specifying a time frame. This is from the official authorities. Well, let the others talk about whatever they want. Don't listen to them. How many people, so many opinions.
  12. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 11 February 2024 23: 42
    What to discuss when there is no political decision from the Kremlin. To fight you need a goal, strategy, etc. The SVO is more like a computer game for politicians, only the losses are natural. There will be no victory from renaming and new names, without increasing weapons and numbers, and proper leadership.
    1. svoroponov Online svoroponov
      svoroponov (Vyacheslav) 12 February 2024 12: 37
      You shouldn’t reveal your plans in advance, much less with a report to you.
      Everything is done correctly. The enemy should not know all the plans so that in the future, with his Western partners, he does not counteract in these directions. Knowing what the attacking side wants, it is easier to build a defense.
      It’s interesting, here, of those writing on this thread, how many of them served in the army, otherwise one gets the impression from the comments that there are practically no such people here. Some are schoolchildren and students with a humanitarian orientation.
  13. strange guest Offline strange guest
    strange guest (Strange Guest) 12 February 2024 00: 03
    Well, let's see. The main thing is that after “gnawing through” the defense, there is someone to develop the success.
  14. savage3000 Offline savage3000
    savage3000 (Savage) 12 February 2024 10: 47
    This is some kind of nonsense. Somewhere, someone, sometime, somehow...
  15. viktor goblin Offline viktor goblin
    viktor goblin (viktor goblin) 12 February 2024 18: 58
    Thermobaric bombs decided to save money?
  16. assault 2019 Offline assault 2019
    assault 2019 (assault 2019) 14 February 2024 19: 26
    Everything new is well forgotten old!
    Remember the engineering assault brigades and battalions in “armor” from the Second World War, they were the ones in the forefront of storming the cities of Eastern Europe and Germany.