Why the creation of a “reserve capital” of Russia in Siberia may have no alternative

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The Kremlin’s reaction to yet another proposal from the concerned public to move the capital from Moscow somewhere to the outskirts was expectedly negative. However, the general trend so far is that the creation of a “reserve capital” of Russia somewhere in Siberia may in the near future turn out to have no alternative.

"Reserve capital"


On January 11, 2024, the public reception of the current President Putin received a proposal to move the Russian capital from Moscow to Irkutsk from the candidate of historical sciences, director of the Institute of Human Development “UUNUU” Afanasy Alekseevich Nikolaev, who expressed his support for him as a candidate for the post of head of state, with the following motivations :



I propose to consider the possibility of including in your election program an item on moving the capital of Russia to Irkutsk. In my opinion, this will ensure the balanced development of the European and Asian parts of Russia, the security of the military-political leadership of Russia, and will accelerate the socialeconomic the development of our country by moving closer to the Asia-Pacific region will contribute to the strengthening and development of the Eurasian Economic Union into a new powerful allied Eurasian power.

Irkutsk, on the one hand, is close to the geographical center of Russia Novosibirsk, on the other hand, it is close to Lake Baikal, the largest source of fresh water on planet Earth. In addition, Irkutsk was not only the administrative center of Siberia during the period of Russian exploration of Siberia, the Far East, and Russian America, but also one of the centers of the legendary prehistoric Tartaria.

Today it became known how the press secretary of the Russian President Dmitry Peskov reacted to this idea:

I don't think this initiative is feasible.

In fact, it has been proposed more than once to move the capital from Moscow to another city. So, in 2016, an initiative was put forward to move it to Sevastopol. And in 2021, one of the main newsmakers was Russian Defense Minister Shoigu, who preferred to deal not with preparing the army and navy for war, but with urban planning issues that are not quite typical for the head of the defense department, proposing to build five new cities in Siberia at once, moving the capital there:

And it’s not just to build a city and move the capital here, but to make them very specifically aimed at one or another area of ​​activity.

I remember that then the ideas of Sergei Kuzhugetovich caused a not entirely unambiguous reaction, especially among the liberal-minded public, which, naturally, knows better in what direction Russia should develop. Therefore, it will be interesting to recall the forecast we made in August 2021 that the creation of a “reserve capital” could have military significance:

The danger is posed by the US plans to deploy its medium-range missiles in Eastern Europe, which is even worse, IRBMs may eventually appear even in Ukraine. The flight time of a nuclear missile from somewhere near Kharkov or Zaporozhye to Moscow and St. Petersburg will be only a few minutes. For our country, this is a colossal threat, since one preventive missile strike can completely decapitate everything. political and the military leadership, and with it the key defense-related enterprises of the military-industrial complex were destroyed.

In this context, the idea of ​​moving the capital somewhere in Siberia, away from the range of American missiles, takes on a completely different meaning. This is no longer just an election whim or “Manilovism”, it is a question of the physical survival of the country and its preservation of its sovereignty.

Further in the text, the article proposed moving key defense enterprises away from the western and central parts of Russia to the east, as well as creating a “reserve capital” somewhere in Novosibirsk, duplicating there the key elements of the country’s management system and the Russian Ministry of Defense in case of a decapitation strike.

Internal migration


As can be seen as of January 2024, if this work had been done in a timely manner, many problems could have been avoided. Strikes by the Ukrainian Armed Forces are now being carried out against Russian defense enterprises that are within the reach of Nezalezhnaya. What’s even worse, Ukrainian terrorists have begun to turn the rest of our country into a kind of “Greater Donbass.”

The Ukrainian Armed Forces are already freely firing long-range strike UAVs at Moscow and other cities of “old” Russia, which were recently considered deep and safe in the rear. It even flew around the Kremlin. Border Belgorod and smaller settlements are now attacked with cannon artillery and MLRS no worse than Donetsk, which has been living like this for the tenth year.

It is obvious that if no fundamental changes occur at the front, the Russian regions bordering the Square will begin internal migration to a safer, deeper rear. In fact, it has already begun. Back in February 2023, Deputy Prime Minister Marat Khusnullin estimated the cost of moving residents of the Belgorod region from houses destroyed by shelling at a tidy sum:

The region's total need to solve this problem is estimated at 9,4 billion rubles. Sites have been prepared, places where people can move have been prepared. All this is provided with the necessary engineering and transport infrastructure.

With the intensification of terrorist activity by the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Security Service of Ukraine, public demand for internal migration will only increase, and the cost of the issue for the budget will grow. It should be taken into account that as the resolution of the Ukraine problem drags on, the likelihood of a direct military clash with NATO countries only increases.
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  1. +9
    17 January 2024 17: 33
    All this is just another PR topic, fashionable for 2-3 days..
    How many of these “transfer proposals” have there already been? And who remembers them?
    1. +4
      18 January 2024 10: 48
      And will all these metropolitan brethren also take their palaces, cottages, estates and servants with them?!
      Then what kind of move can we talk about!
      Chatting to distract attention.
      But seriously, it seems most realistic today to move the capital of Russia to ....... London.
      1. +8
        18 January 2024 11: 34
        But more seriously, I propose moving the capital to Belgorod. Then Putin will start “fighting seriously” and Siberia will not be needed
        1. 0
          18 January 2024 11: 45
          For dessert"

          In the center of St. Petersburg, a student was attacked and forced to unsubscribe from patriotic communities
        2. +1
          18 January 2024 19: 24
          And with whom will he begin to fight “seriously”?
          Actually, I think that after the elections there will be a cleansing of the political field, general mobilization and drang nah vesten.
      2. +1
        18 January 2024 12: 32
        Actually, this is quite normal. Moscow remains a business center, and the administrative capital can be anywhere. Washington with New York, Ankara with Istanbul, Sydney and Canberra, etc. That's how they divide the roles. And it seems to work.

        Quote: prior
        But seriously, it seems most realistic today to move the capital of Russia to ....... London

        Stop raving.
        1. +4
          18 January 2024 14: 17
          Quote: k7k8
          Moscow remains a business center, and the administrative capital can be anywhere

          First, you just need to force the business to register and pay taxes at the place of its main production. In five to seven years everything will return to normal. After all, the reason for the desires for these movements, in the first place, but not voiced, is the terrible disproportion between the centers of production and consumption. Work is in full swing in Chelyabinsk (for example), and all the profits from this work flow to Moscow. For the stability of the control system, it is enough to place control bodies in different territories, linking the system together with modern communication technologies.
          1. 0
            18 January 2024 18: 27
            Your opinion has a right to exist. But it would be nice if this was only characteristic of Russia. In fact, this is a worldwide practice. And no one has yet managed to reverse the situation. Or do you think that no one tried? And neither optics at 100 terabits per second, nor a high-speed train at 500 km/h, nor passenger hypersound will change the situation here. All this, of course, is wonderful, but people (and business is also people) need far more than just means of communication. So for now your proposals are simply unscientific fiction.
      3. 0
        21 January 2024 17: 10
        Well, we need to decide what is more valuable to us: the fate of Russia or the comfort for the “brethren of the capital.”
    2. 0
      21 January 2024 10: 35
      We even remember when in Siberia the population tripled during the Patriotic War, but it was impossible to walk along the streets
  2. +9
    17 January 2024 18: 04
    In short, they over-demilitarized and over-denazified to great effect))
  3. +1
    17 January 2024 18: 29
    The idea of ​​relieving Moscow of its over-centralization and bloated metropolis is quite rational. There is no need to move the capital (Like Peter the Great moved), we need to move the state. structures and other government institutions and enterprises in Irkutsk, create as a center for the development of the Far East Asian region. (Ideas by S. Shoigu) The decision to move the headquarters of the Russian Navy to St. Petersburg was correct, and so it seems, the state. management and regional systems will be transferred to Irkutsk. Allocate enough funds for the development of Irkutsk as a management and industrial center, and the people will follow the long ruble and growth opportunities. In this way, we can stop the devastation of the Far Eastern region, where in the near future various problems and the need for action await.
    1. RUR
      -4
      17 January 2024 22: 00
      We are not talking about decongestion here - Europeanization, or as they sometimes mistakenly say - the European development option for Russia turned out to be a dead end... it is stupid to have a capital in the west when Western communications are dying off - gas and oil pipelines, railways and roads, etc. are leading to nowhere, and this seems to last for a very, very long time... and in the worst case scenario, it is forever... Muscovy experienced something similar during the Horde, when there were practically no contacts with Europe... - according to many forecasts, the center development and production will be in Asia... Turan, as a natural part of Asia, should try to integrate there... although, I am strongly inclined to believe that Asian Westernization will choke over time...
      1. 0
        18 January 2024 15: 24
        In fact, the capital was just moved from the West to Moscow.
        1. RUR
          0
          18 January 2024 22: 42
          and now even further to the east... in Asian - to Siberia
    2. +1
      18 January 2024 10: 54
      If you think about it for a couple of days, you will understand where you are absolutely wrong.
  4. -2
    17 January 2024 19: 16
    The idea of ​​moving the capital must have a purpose and justification for its necessity. What is happening now is Odessa noise. What would I suggest? Each nationality has its own central city, capital, Belarusians have Minsk, Tatars have Kazan, Bashkirs have Ufa, etc. Russians essentially do not have their own capital. I propose to legislate and call the capital of Russians the city of Kyiv, and Moscow will remain the capital of the Russian state. To do this, it is necessary to issue a law of the Russian Federation, which will say that the entire territory of Ukraine, within the borders of 1975, is an integral part of Russia. The entire territory of Ukraine should become part of the Russian Federation in the form of regions. Designate the Kyiv region as the Republic of Rus', and the city of Kyiv as the capital of the Russians. There should no longer be a territory called Ukraine.
    1. +1
      17 January 2024 19: 42
      Replica. The idea is interesting, but how to “rebaptize” millions of Ukrainians into Russians, especially in Kyiv. Moscow has been the capital of Russia since ancient times, and will remain so. The further path in the development of regional centers with a mixed structure of nationalities, becoming Russian centers. And it is necessary to develop such centers, especially in the Far Eastern and Pacific regions. Today we have a developed Kazan and the Republic of Tatarstan, and several more such national territories. The danger is in the dissipation of local nationalism, which should reduce the developing multinational centers, including Irkutsk...
      1. +1
        17 January 2024 22: 56
        Less than 5,5 million people live from Chita towards the East; draw a line through Chita from North to South and estimate the area in the East. I can assure you that given the political and economic situation that has existed for 33 years, you can forget about the development of the Far East. The USSR developed it, but did not have time. After 1991, the Far East became like a colony of foreign states. We have a federation at our core, i.e. a collection of different nationalities; in 2010, Russians made up 80,6%, with Belarusians and Ukrainians making up 82,1%. The Federation needs a strong center. In the Russian Federation, 82% are Russian; in fact, it is a mononational state. All these national squabbles show the weakness of the liberal power they seized in the 90s. Kyiv, this is ancient Rus', the population, Russians, are brainwashed, if the entire territory of Ukraine is included, everything will settle down in one year. What happened in western Ukraine 1940-1946. no longer.
        1. RUR
          -8
          17 January 2024 23: 09
          Imperial peoples are doomed to disappear, they dissolve
          in other peoples of their empire, it was always like this - the Romans, Byzantines, Mongols of Inner Mongolia and the peoples north of the Chinese Wall, who founded the Chinese imperial dynasties, etc., etc. - disappeared/dissolved without a trace or turned into other, dissimilar peoples, for example, the Romans into the Italians. .. you are making ridiculous gestures in vain... this is the verdict of history... That is why parting with Ukraine and Belarus is inevitable...
          1. +2
            18 January 2024 13: 39
            Did not dissolve: China, Japan, Korea, Turkey, Great Britain, Germany, USA, etc. The Russians should dissolve and disappear, your approach is strange. Progress and development can only happen in a large state with a population of more than 200 million people, a large comfortable territory, mineral resources, access to the seas and oceans and 20 more parameters, this is known to everyone who is involved in forecasting the development of states. The USSR had all these necessary parameters, but the Russian Federation lacks them. All nations, all states are trying to fill the missing parameters, as this is another question. You predict the disappearance of Russians as a nation. Who you are?
            1. RUR
              -3
              18 January 2024 23: 03
              China - their great imperial dynasties are largely -
              non-Chinese with the absorption of imperial peoples by the Chinese... Japan is an island that has experienced long-term Westernization - partly voluntary, partly forced. Korea is not an empire, Great Britain is an influx of colonial peoples and the destruction of traditional culture, and the USA is an emigrant republic, an invasion of peoples from countries of the 3rd world and the destruction of traditional culture. Turkey received the legacy of the BYZANTINE Empire, which is why it was largely westernized - largely the destruction of traditional Turkic and Muslim culture. Germany - the empire did not last even 100 years

              The official doctrine of Russia is imperial Eurasianism, a typically Russian phenomenon, with an increasing predominance of the Asian element... BELARUS and Ukraine will choose a European/Polish orientation... and don’t even doubt it...
            2. RUR
              +1
              19 January 2024 14: 50
              Progress and development can only happen in a large state with a population of more than 200 million people.

              bring Tajiks and Africans... and where are you and your Vasily Alibabaevichs and Maksims going... in the 21st century, or what?
  5. +2
    17 January 2024 19: 27
    Irkutsk is not the most suitable city for a new capital. Firstly, it is close to the border, and secondly, Irkutsk is located in a zone of severe soil freezing, which greatly increases the cost of construction. The optimal would be a town (as the basis of a new capital) in the Krasnoyarsk Territory, for example Kansk, or even in a completely new place, say, on the shore of the Krasnoyarsk reservoir. It would be stupid to try to use Krasnoyarsk itself, the established center of the Krasnoyarsk Territory, as the capital.
  6. DO
    +8
    17 January 2024 19: 58
    If we are guided by military reasons, then the transfer, first of all, of high-tech critical production (for example, microelectronics, development centers) must be done to the eastern foot of the Ural Range, where it is easiest to organize reliable air defense. Moreover, this event should have started “yesterday”, after the initiative of the head of the military department Shoigu, or at worst right now.

    Today it became known how the press secretary of the Russian President Dmitry Peskov reacted to this idea:

    I don't think this initiative is feasible.

    It seems that dear Dmitry Sergeevich, and other leadership and officials, after the first serious visit to Moscow, will change the quoted opinion to the opposite.
    Until the thunder strikes, the man will not cross himself.
  7. +6
    17 January 2024 21: 00
    Why Irkutsk? If you follow the logic to the end, then there should be Turukhansk, and Irkutsk is not so far from China (Mongolia is still a buffer, like Moscow and Irkutsk - the same eggs...)
    1. +6
      17 January 2024 21: 29
      Quote: mark1
      Turukhansk

      Let's build a reserve checkpoint in Turukhansk and keep Medvedev there...
      1. +7
        17 January 2024 23: 30
        Turukhansk exile still needs to be earned. great people were hanging out there... and not THIS...

        for such a character and his entourage there can only be one capital - Magadan... just there in the mines he can find a bunch of ZKP... let Dudya sit there and study fairy tales
  8. +3
    17 January 2024 21: 54
    With the intensification of terrorist activity by the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Security Service of Ukraine, public demand for internal migration will only increase, and the cost of the issue for the budget will grow. It should be taken into account that as the resolution of the Ukraine problem drags on, the likelihood of a direct military clash with NATO countries only increases.

    Well, it looks like the war will drag on, and not for a year, but for at least 2 or even more. And if “even more,” then this is the collapse of the Russian economy. Why? let's calculate: the West can allocate up to 200 billion dollars per year to support Ukraine in the case of an active war and in the case of a sluggish war, obviously about 50 billion. In rubles this will be 20 and 5 trillion rubles. Russia's budget for 2024 is 37 trillion, including 15 trillion for the security forces. As they say, feel the weight of war. With such military expenditures, the development of the country is impossible. This is only valid for a few years. Thus, at any cost, the war must be ended in a maximum of three years. And what is any price: 1) a multiple increase in the RF Armed Forces along with military equipment, naturally, and intensive offensive operations with large losses of both our troops and enemy troops. Moreover, this number of killed is 200-500 thousand. The same or maybe more on the Ukrainian side, which will lose its combat potential and will be forced to capitulate. 2) launching tactical nuclear strikes on critical targets, especially in Western Ukraine, which will force the collective West to stop supplies and, which will lead to the capitulation of Ukraine. And a war with the NATO bloc is hardly possible, since one’s own shirt is closer to the body.
    1. 0
      17 January 2024 23: 09
      Quote: Alexey Lan
      in the case of a sluggish one, obviously about 50 billion. In rubles it will be 20 and 5 trillion rubles

      This is not only for combat operations, but also for pensions and other government benefits. expenses. The revenues of the Ukrainian central budget are quite sad; they also have decentralization.

      Russia's GDP is ~170 trillion, spending 5 trillion a year is hard, but doable.

      Quote: Alexey Lan
      With such military expenditures, the development of the country is impossible.

      Well, in 2023, they introduced the M-12 with a bridge across the Volga, and separately bridges across the Yenisei, Sviyaga, and Zeya. They built a metro, introduced new factories for processing resources into semi-finished products (the basis of the budget and foreign exchange earnings).
      And in theorycraft the economy is completely kaput, yes...
      1. +2
        18 January 2024 15: 04
        Russia's GDP is ~170 trillion, spending 5 trillion a year is hard, but doable.

        GDP and budget are two different things. If GDP is the output of everything: rolled metal, grain, bridges and roads, hamburgers, machine tools and Kirkorov’s concerts for which they paid, budget expenditures are expenditures on the construction of the same bridges, on science and education, on organizing and stimulating new industries at the expense of the treasury and entrepreneurs, for development and research work in many industries. And the budget is formed from taxes and fees, which in the present conditions are not too much. Due to lack of funding, public sector employees, roads and, finally, the sport so beloved by GDP will suffer.
        1. 0
          18 January 2024 15: 30
          Quote: Alexey Lan
          GDP and budget are two different things

          All right.

          Quote: Alexey Lan
          and the organization and stimulation of new production at the expense of the treasury

          But new industries are created not only and not so much at the expense of the treasury, but at the expense of their own funds, loans (which may be from government agencies, but are not budget expenditures) - which generally must be repaid.

          With infrastructure - yes, it’s state-owned. expenses, and the money spent on the SVO cannot be spent on infrastructure.
          But paradoxically, it was in 2022-23 that infrastructure projects picked up noticeably.
          1. +2
            18 January 2024 19: 06
            But paradoxically, it was in 2022-23 that infrastructure projects picked up noticeably.

            It costs the government nothing to force the Central Bank to issue enormous amounts of money into circulation and finance everything, but then inflation will already be 2-3 digits and we will all lose. There is a reasonable limit in everything. We already experienced inflation in 92-93. with high interest rates and little investment.
            1. 0
              18 January 2024 20: 28
              Quote: Alexey Lan
              finance everything, but then there will be inflation

              There is and will be inflation.
              Through inflation, the income and savings of the population will be cut. The proceeds go to the Northern Military District, the development of the economy and infrastructure.
              Bad - but better than

              any price: 1) a multiple increase in the RF Armed Forces along with military equipment, naturally, and intensive offensive operations with heavy losses

              - which is typical, does not even guarantee access to the Dnieper.

              or economic stagnation -

              Economically, we now need to run as fast as we can so that, say, by the time Western aircraft wear out physically, we still have our own (obviously, not 600 by 2030).
              1. +1
                19 January 2024 04: 16
                Well, inflation will always be there. If it’s up to 10%, then we’ll survive, but if it’s 50-200%, then this is already a big problem. As for aviation, for example, in the USSR they didn’t fly so much, they waited more and somehow they lived and didn’t die. Almost the entire European part of Russia traveled to Moscow like this: in the evening on the train - in the morning in Moscow from the train. North and East East - yes, they need to be provided for, but let’s say from Kazan, St. Petersburg they can trample. Yes, and foreign tourists can stay in Russia for 2-3-4 years until the SVO ends. There is no point in exporting foreign currency to them.
                1. +1
                  19 January 2024 09: 53
                  Quote: Alexey Lan
                  somehow they lived and did not die.

                  Well, then you can generally lower everything to a physiological level, as in North Korea.
                  The outcome of the SVO will be excellent and this is exactly what the United States is trying to achieve with its sanctions - to show everyone what happens to those who go against their policies.

                  In a long confrontation (and I hope everyone understands that the confrontation will be long, regardless of the position of the LBS), it is critically important to maintain both the external gloss and the positive dynamics of the standard of living, even if this means taking a step back once, as now.
                  This will be the best incentive both for its citizens and for countries taking a wait-and-see approach.
                  And at the same time - to enrage and demotivate the adversary and his citizens.
                  1. RUR
                    0
                    19 January 2024 14: 44
                    if only the S-500 really existed. then there was no need to move the capital
  9. +4
    17 January 2024 22: 58
    That's for sure. The capital of Russia should be located somewhere beyond the Urals. It can be built from existing cities or a completely new one.
    I'm tired of developing only Moscow and the Moscow region.
    Why don’t governors and mayors of other Russian cities do anything to improve and develop their regions and attract young people?
    1. RUR
      +3
      17 January 2024 23: 16
      attracting young people is, of course, already being carried out - the Russian Federation will import Africans... for them it is already comfortable what remains after the dying population and/or the population that will move to the new beautiful capitals of Turan
    2. 0
      18 January 2024 09: 48
      Possible in the Urals. Severny.
  10. +9
    17 January 2024 23: 33
    Whatever the child amuses himself with, as long as...

    why under the USSR and the capital in Moscow there were no problems with the development of Tashkent, Frunze, Sverdlovsk, Novosibirsk, etc.???

    Maybe it’s not the location of the capital, but the goal-setting of the characters in power???

    well, yes, drawing maps is easier than working... don’t forget to invite the famous draftsman Podolyak to your projects... otherwise he’s a useless military analyst, maybe he’ll at least decorate cities beautifully with arrows
  11. +6
    18 January 2024 05: 44
    Irkutsk, based on its geographical location and transport accessibility, is ABSOLUTELY not suitable for the role of a capital. Purely from geographical location. The best option is Yekaterinburg. It is far enough away from all dangerous directions. Transport hub and industrial center.
    Moreover, in fact, it is already possible to transfer all ministries and offices of the largest companies to Ekat, leaving the President and Parliament in Moscow.
    And before it’s too late... to start transporting enterprises from the western borders beyond the Volga. Because they won’t give you time to evacuate. They will destroy. And then there will be nothing to export...
    1. +3
      18 January 2024 06: 51
      Yekaterinburg is too close to the border with Kazakhstan. Yes, today Kazakhstan is not a state hostile to Russia, but it cannot be ruled out that our southern neighbor may follow the Ukrainian path and even join NATO
    2. +2
      18 January 2024 09: 01
      The best option is Yekaterinburg. It is far enough away from all dangerous directions. Transport hub and industrial center.

      The construction of the next transport rings and the digging of the metro, this is the whole essence of the Russian capital. Against this background, Washington looks like a run-down village.
      1. +3
        18 January 2024 09: 12
        Vorkuta. Far from borders. Few temptations. Nothing will distract from solving government problems. The example of many countries where the capital is a small administrative city should inspire.
    3. +2
      18 January 2024 09: 13
      It is not necessary for the company to have offices in the capital. The capital is primarily an administrative center.
  12. +4
    18 January 2024 06: 16
    Irkutsk, on the one hand, is close to the geographical center of Russia Novosibirsk, on the other hand, it is close to Lake Baikal, the largest source of fresh water on planet Earth. In addition, Irkutsk was not only the administrative center of Siberia during the period of Russian exploration of Siberia, the Far East, and Russian America, but also one of the centers of the legendary prehistoric Tartaria.

    Distance to the border, in a straight line - 184 km. If Novosibirsk is the geographical center, then why move it to Irkutsk? Nonsense. Did they create plenipotentiaries at one time, and where are they? What is their role? So, close to the body it shines and is good. In general, no matter what the child amuses himself with, as long as he doesn’t hang himself.
  13. +2
    18 January 2024 06: 33
    Maybe it's better to go to Kolyma? The air there is clean and transparent)
  14. +1
    18 January 2024 06: 33
    Where it needs to fly, transfer will not save it.
    1. +1
      18 January 2024 09: 12
      The question is not the fact of arrival, but the time. 3-5 minutes to make a decision on a retaliatory strike or 15-20 the difference is obvious. Not to mention, a nuclear attack on Moscow could literally take the leadership by surprise. They won't have time to wake up
      1. +2
        18 January 2024 09: 47
        From Kharkov to Moscow in a straight line 678 km. From Narva - 690. I’m generally silent about St. Petersburg - both from Narva and from Kotka.
  15. +4
    18 January 2024 07: 48
    What is Irkutsk like? The capital should be in Novosibirsk! But this will not happen - all the bourgeois have settled down perfectly in Moscow and why should they move somewhere else! They still hope to come up with an agreement and make peace with the West, giving away what, in their opinion, is not a pity. That is why the guarantor is marking time on the outskirts. Russia's victory is the defeat of the West. How then can the West make peace with us?
  16. 0
    18 January 2024 08: 13
    Yes, no one will move anything anywhere. Officials will not go to “some kind of Irkutsk” at gunpoint. Yeah, they abandoned their palaces, other property, shopping in Europe on weekends, ski resorts in Sochi, cool Moscow restaurants, clubs and went to the bear corner.
    This is utopia.
    1. -1
      18 January 2024 08: 27
      Quote from Muscool
      Yes, no one will move anything anywhere. Officials will not go to “some kind of Irkutsk” at gunpoint. Yeah, they abandoned their palaces, other property, shopping in Europe on weekends, ski resorts in Sochi, cool Moscow restaurants, clubs and went to the bear corner.
      This is utopia.

      They will go, and at breakneck speed. For the reigning body, without their supervision, can wither or accumulate unnecessary thoughts, and cash flows will flow into the wrong pockets. An example is Khabarovsk-Vladivostok.
  17. +2
    18 January 2024 08: 55
    ...if there are no drastic changes at the front...

    with the current strange (to put it mildly) position of the Kremlin regarding the methods/means of carrying out the so-called. SVO......
  18. +2
    18 January 2024 09: 07
    The flight time of a nuclear missile from somewhere near Kharkov or Zaporozhye to Moscow and St. Petersburg will be only a few minutes.

    What about the flight time from Narva and Kotka?
  19. +5
    18 January 2024 09: 24
    There is no need to move the capital, but due to the fact that there is no response from us to the bombing of the original Russian territory, soon the Tomahawks will receive the taming of the amerofascists, and, hello, the Urals, and Moscow and the central part of the country will be under powerful blows from the Kyrgyz Republic every day , fortunately, the Amers have almost 5000 of them, and they also make ground-based launchers for Tomahawks, which are in nature (they are even mounted on jeeps, just go and catch them), and you can also start with radioactive warheads, and then move on to normal nuclear ones, after each strike by the Sands will cry, cry and cry. So it is necessary to move not the capital, but the command post deep into Siberia Yes.. a “good” result of two years of special operation. But increasing the range of missiles is not a problem for them, so it is better to move the ZKP directly to the Moon or even further . Or will we still respond normally so that the fascist can still see the “red lines” that are now invisible to anyone in the world? A bandit always becomes impudent only in the absence of a furious retaliatory blow to the impudent face...Always.
    1. 0
      20 January 2024 00: 27
      And you, friends, no matter how you sit down
      everyone is not fit to be musicians...
  20. +3
    18 January 2024 09: 27
    Quote: Strange guest
    It is not necessary for the company to have offices in the capital. The capital is primarily an administrative center.

    Why are you not satisfied with Yakutsk? Even the president can’t always fly there, not to mention all the walkers there. Grace for the official.
    1. +5
      18 January 2024 09: 42
      And it's a good place. You can choose from Vorkuta or Yakutsk. Far from borders, few temptations - just work. You can divide the executive and legislative into two. With modern means of communication it makes no difference at all. Send out decrees and laws. Lepota.
  21. -3
    18 January 2024 11: 26
    The capital is a representative status!
    Apart from Moscow, no other city can reach this level!!! Other cities have a different history, no ancient spirit, no culture. Even during the Second World War, when all government institutions were evacuated, everyone was returned to their places.
    The negative fact is that the increase in the size of this metropolis greatly worsens internal logistics and support (you still need to breathe, eat and shit..), which sharply increases the cost of living and the cost of maintaining government institutions.
    It is necessary to limit the number of enterprises that involve development with the involvement of new personnel - some need to be relocated to other cities.
    It is necessary to “evacuate” the Ministry of Defense from Moscow, leaving only the representative part. Apparently Shoigu was looking for a couple of places for “pentagons”, with the possibility of building protected underground infrastructure, in two places, otherwise the second Tunguska event would happen and the country would be defenseless.
    Ministries, such as construction, all industry and agriculture, are also on ...
    In short, Moscow needs to be stabilized at its current size and other megacities created.
    And the stupid fake news about the transfer of the capital is to create an additional line of division of opinions in society.
    1. +2
      18 January 2024 11: 36
      If the Ministry of Defense and the FSB are evacuated from Moscow somewhere beyond the Urals, the government will not last long. Such structures keep everything at hand.
      In many countries, the capital is not the same as the largest or richest city.
      1. -1
        18 January 2024 12: 07
        Moscow is guarded not by the Ministry of Defense with office workers in military uniforms with ranks and not by FSB analysts (operatives at their points), but by military units and internal troops (Rosguard).
        And I did not advocate for the largest, but for the most representative.

        Remember, St. Petersburg was called the second capital?? Well, it is not needed and not suitable to be a capital due to its location... And if you look at the coat of arms of Russia, then in the east...
        1. 0
          18 January 2024 14: 00
          We're not talking about parts...
        2. 0
          18 January 2024 19: 08
          St. Petersburg is generally a city without a future. The city doesn't understand what. With regional destiny.
  22. +3
    18 January 2024 12: 27
    Irkutsk, on the one hand, is close to the geographical center of Russia Novosibirsk

    Isn’t Afanasy Alekseevich Nikolaev, Candidate of Historical Sciences, Director of the Institute of Human Development “UUNUU” ashamed of not knowing that the geographical center of the Russian Federation is located on the south-eastern shore of Lake Vivi in ​​the Evenki municipal district of the Krasnoyarsk Territory?
  23. +1
    18 January 2024 12: 38
    However, the general trend so far is that the creation of a “reserve capital” of Russia somewhere in Siberia may in the near future turn out to have no alternative.

    Will this be the result of SVO for us?
    1. 0
      18 January 2024 12: 56
      Do you want the capital of Russia in Berlin? lol
      Even under the Warsaw Pact, the capital of the USSR and the RSFSR was in Moscow.
      1. 0
        20 January 2024 13: 00
        belay I had no ideas about this and no...
  24. +2
    18 January 2024 12: 46
    Reading the article for August 2021, I was a little distracted from today's reality and remembered the young clerk Alyoshka from the film "Chief of Chukotka" who sincerely dreamed..., well, dream, build, transport (Chukotka's gold will help you), I don't mind. In that reality, there were competent people who explained to Alyosha what exactly the country needed at the moment. As I finished reading the sequel, I began to return to reality, and the reality is this: there is a war going on, people are dying. I remembered such a thing as a dead hand. And Peskov’s answer ((I don’t think...) I was amused, but who should think) I would still clarify with him - is this your final word, or is there no final word, the supreme one? And this is important, because it is said: to lead means to foresee. But it sounds beautiful: “Candidate of Historical Sciences, Director of the Institute of Human Development UUNUU.” What a lack of clarity and tenacious words from Satanovsky, or the creative inventor of the device from the film "Wise Man" would love to listen to music, otherwise you never know there are all kinds of crooked tailors with invisible fabric... And from the title of the article, I understand that it may soon become many times worse than now.
  25. +1
    18 January 2024 13: 04
    Quote: Colonel Kudasov
    Yekaterinburg is too close to the border with Kazakhstan. Yes, today Kazakhstan is not a state hostile to Russia, but it cannot be ruled out that our southern neighbor may follow the Ukrainian path and even join NATO

    Kazakhstan has recently become a de facto state hostile to Russia. Russians who have the opportunity leave for the Russian Federation
    It is necessary first of all to return the donated Russian regions by introducing occupation troops before Tokayev rushes into the arms of the United States. Delay is fraught with a second Ukraine.
  26. +3
    18 January 2024 13: 51
    Moving the capital is a bit premature.
    But the creation of a reserve control system in Siberia is a necessity. As well as the creation of industrial infrastructure.

    The European route is closed for a long time. Turning to the East is the main trend for the near future. Having two control centers is in any case better than one.
    And for the development of the region, it would be better to move (duplicate) part of the State structure to Siberia.

    Shoigu is doing exactly what a defense minister should do. Control over the country's armed forces must be in a safe place.
    1. 0
      19 January 2024 07: 18
      Quote: Bakht
      Moving the capital is a bit premature.
      But the creation of a reserve control system in Siberia is a necessity. As well as the creation of industrial infrastructure.

      The European route is closed for a long time. Turning to the East is the main trend for the near future. Having two control centers is in any case better than one.
      And for the development of the region, it would be better to move (duplicate) part of the State structure to Siberia.

      Shoigu is doing exactly what a defense minister should do. Control over the country's armed forces must be in a safe place.

      1. 0
        19 January 2024 11: 34
        In the West, well, we better turn to the East

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  28. 0
    18 January 2024 17: 05
    It seems that faith and hope that the Central Bank and the Ministry of Finance in the existing capital will make sane decisions are so suppressed that all sorts of exotic and fantastic options began to seem more realistic to many. Now, during the election campaign, from the point of view of common sense, it’s time to straighten the brains of the existing Central Bank and the Ministry of Finance, and not be distracted by all sorts of fruitless, otherworldly proposals.
  29. +4
    19 January 2024 00: 02
    To achieve absolute safety, the capital must be moved to Oymyakon (the pole of cold on Earth). Not a single rocket will reach. It will freeze on approach and crash. You can also pick out imported microcircuits from it later!
  30. -1
    19 January 2024 01: 42
    The Russian Federation is an entity that is not based on a specific territory of one ethnic group, which has been living there for as long as it can remember, that is, it is not natural, just like the United States. The country is made up of more than 100 different peoples, different linguistic groups, cultures and religions. All this is united by a common history, a common basic cultural code, but it is connected by one center, Moscow. The weaker Moscow is, the more unstable the entire framework of state space becomes, because very large variety and very large space.

    The transfer of the capital can create a second center, which in the future will suddenly begin to see itself in competition with the first, which means a split. At the same time, the Russian Federation should be able to exist as a state in the event of the loss of Moscow (for example, in a nuclear war). And here, of course, a reserve capital makes sense.

    It could now take over the federal functions of Moscow in the eastern part of the country. Such a center would be closer than Moscow, the people and elite there would not be so far from the mentality of the eastern part of Russia. And without being a capital, this city would be able to become one if necessary. But for this, time must pass, which is necessary for the establishment of this city as a center of real power in the eastern part of Russia, but at the same time being located below Moscow. The regions must perceive this city as a center of control and power, and not just as a city that has been given a pretentious status, which everyone has forgotten about after a month.

    This requires subtle work, as elsewhere in the Russian Federation, where there are republics, districts and many different approaches of the central government to various entities, which makes the Russian Federation a unique civilization.
  31. +2
    19 January 2024 12: 18
    The authorities are unable to protect the capital from this proposal from the opera, let’s move it to Irkutsk. then they won’t finish shooting. Isn’t it easier to restore order in the Moscow Region?
    1. +1
      21 January 2024 03: 07
      Apparently it’s easier to build a new capital than to figure out who to retire to Moscow. Today there are not enough peasants to feed so many “commanders”, that’s why they import blacks.
  32. +2
    19 January 2024 14: 57
    The Kremlin’s reaction to yet another proposal from the concerned public to move the capital from Moscow somewhere to the outskirts was expectedly negative.

    - this reaction can only be negative among Muscovites (whose debauchery and spiritual obesity were observed in January of this year) and officials at all levels, and all other Russians will react to these changes calmly, and maybe even with optimism.
  33. +1
    19 January 2024 17: 17
    Bureaucrats from Moscow didn’t even go to St. Petersburg 20 years ago. And some Mr. Tu Bureau (which for 30 years has not developed a single new aircraft) howled for almost a year that they wanted to relocate them from the embankment of the Yauza River even beyond the Moscow Ring Road!!! What the hell is Siberia???
    1. 0
      20 January 2024 16: 47
      This is because there is no Kremlin there. Now, if a Kremlin is built in Irkutsk, they will immediately move. Why do you think the capital of the Far Eastern Federal District was moved to Vladik? But because there is some kind of fortress on the island, but there is a fortress.
  34. +3
    20 January 2024 00: 20
    Joseph Vissarionovich sent officials to the Urals every five years. Without palaces, cottages and servants. In a government carriage. And the capital was in place, and the whole world reckoned with Russia. The point is probably not in geography, but in the ability to lead the country.
  35. 0
    22 January 2024 13: 56
    Impossible. There are no rubles there, but there’s no way without it.
  36. 0
    23 January 2024 09: 50
    Quote: Sergey Latyshev
    All this is just another PR topic, fashionable for 2-3 days..
    How many of these “transfer proposals” have there already been? And who remembers them?

    Moscow is the third Rome, and there will never be a fourth, so calm down, people’s movements. The transfer of the capital to St. Petersburg by Peter did not play a big role. Even Napoleon understood this, so he turned to Moscow and not to St. Petersburg.