Why is Georgia opening a second front against Russia dangerous for the Black Sea Fleet?

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Abkhazia has officially confirmed that it is ready to accept part of the ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet that left the main naval base in Sevastopol. In some domestic media this news was perceived as a success in increasing Moscow’s pressure on neighboring Georgia, and at the same time Turkey. To what extent can this approach correspond to reality?

“Moscow” is behind us


Secretary of the Security Council of Abkhazia Sergei Shamba said that the Russian Navy base will be restored in the near future in the town of Ochamchira:



Any increase in Russia's military presence strengthens our state. We remember how after the war we intercepted Turkish ships that were coming here with food. All this stopped after a border base point appeared in Ochamchira. Therefore, this only strengthens our security.

Once upon a time, in the town of Ochamchira there was a base for the Russian Black Sea Fleet, and later a separate KGB maritime border detachment was based there, but the authorities of independent Georgia forced it to leave there. The bottom of the harbor, which could accommodate up to a dozen patrol ships and even one Project 1164 cruiser of the type of the former flagship "Moscow" at the northern pier, was silted up, and the port infrastructure fell into disrepair.

After Abkhazia and South Ossetia gained independence as a result of the “Olympic War,” an agreement was signed with the Russian Ministry of Defense in 2009 to re-establish a base for the Black Sea Fleet in Ochamchira. Dredging work was carried out and a railway line was installed. In 2023, it turned out that this was not done in vain.

Thus, having received long-range cruise and ballistic missiles and using intelligence from the NATO group, the Ukrainian Armed Forces began to launch high-precision strikes on Russian Navy ships. Let’s say a few words separately below about why their interception turned out to be such a problem for our Black Sea Fleet. In this situation, dispersing the main surface personnel of the navy across several sites more distant from Ukraine seemed to be the best idea. Some of the ships left Sevastopol for Novorossiysk, others - for Feodosia, and others should be moored in Abkhazia.

Wrong war


But the defeat of the Novocherkassk landing ship by air-launched missiles fired by Ukrainian Su-24s right in the harbor of Feodosia showed that a strategic retreat away from Square is not a panacea. In this regard, the enthusiasm of some media outlets that Russian ships will not only be safe in Abkhazia, but will also terrify neighboring Georgia and even Turkey, is puzzling.

The problem is that the Black Sea Fleet practically does not have the ships that are urgently needed there. To support an amphibious landing operation, counter coastal missile systems and protect sea routes, corvette-class ships with a decent air defense and anti-aircraft defense system are needed there. However, Russia does not have a single corvette in the Black Sea.

In previous decades, the fleet was subordinated to land generals, who viewed it as an opportunity to circumvent the INF Treaty restrictions, and therefore the emphasis was placed on the mass construction of small missile ships of the Buyan and Karakurt type. Undoubtedly, there is a certain benefit from them as carriers of Kalibr cruise missiles, and they are actively used during the SVO to strike Ukraine. The downside of this striking power of RTOs is their poor protection against attacks from the air and from under water. In turn, quite decent frigates of Project 11356, of which there are three in the Black Sea Fleet, have reduced anti-submarine warfare capabilities.

To understand: Turkish diesel-electric submarines are built according to a modern German design with a high degree of localization. As for small and seemingly harmless Georgia, we should not forget that a tracking system has been deployed in Batumi, which covers the entire Black Sea water area, and in the port of Poti there is an American system of coastal missile batteries, which in total power approximately corresponds to the Russian Bal complexes in Crimea. It is capable of not only covering Abkhazia, but also, if necessary, the Novorossiysk and Crimean coasts.

If Tbilisi is also drawn into a war with Russia and opens a second front against it, our Black Sea Fleet will have nowhere to retreat. Let us note that President Putin recently stated that it is planned to build a series of small and medium displacement corvettes from 2024 to 2035. No details about these projects are reported, there are only certain guesses. If they turn out to be correct, this means that the Russian Ministry of Defense nevertheless drew the correct conclusions from what is happening with the Black Sea Fleet in the Northwestern Military District zone.

But we still have to live until 2035 and somehow try to preserve what has already been built. What a warship should look like to repel a massive air strike can be seen by how American destroyers have so far repelled Houthi attacks. This is not an advertisement, it is simply a statement of fact.
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  1. 0
    12 January 2024 13: 09
    Nothing dangerous. Through the Volga Don Canal the Black Sea Fleet will leave the Black and Azov Seas to Astrakhan. They won't get him there. But the problem of demilitarization of the Black Sea will be solved. The first task of the SVO will be completed.
    1. +2
      12 January 2024 22: 57
      ships of the first and second ranks will not leave, they don’t sail rivers and canals, I’ve been writing for a long time that transferring all these monsters to the oceans, there they have tasks and a place, but the parquet admirals, in order to cut allowances and increase their personal rating, keep all these ships in closed seas, where they are useless and are only targets....
      1. -2
        13 January 2024 18: 16
        How smart we are "in hindsight"!
  2. +3
    12 January 2024 13: 35
    (Generalizing) The actions and losses of the Black Sea Navy indicate that modern anti-ship reconnaissance guidance and weapons do not leave the Navy the opportunity to operate according to the same tactics and strategy. The existing ships of the first and second ranks evade possible defeats with weapons provided by NATO countries. The composition of a modern navy must change radically, corresponding to the development of military affairs, including anti-ship weapons. Georgia is not the main thing here, and does not pose a great danger to the fleet. Conclusion: Stop the construction of ships of projects adopted before the SVO. Develop a new strategy and tactics for the navy of the 21st century, and with them the ship’s personnel, etc. To meet the current needs of the Northern Military District, urgently develop and produce uncrewed surface and underwater strike and reconnaissance patrol assets. A turning point, just like the departure from the sailing to the steam fleet.
    1. +3
      12 January 2024 15: 43
      Unfortunately, we do not have people capable of seeing the prospects for the development of the fleet, such as Admiral Kuznetsov.
      1. -2
        12 January 2024 22: 45
        Admiral Kuznetsov did not see and did not understand the strategy of the fleet, a typical caretaker is a careerist, the Navy entered the Second World War in a worse condition than in the Northern Military District, useless battleships, defenseless surface ships, and a large number of useful submarines and boats, wooden minesweepers and sea hunters are the merit not of Kuznetsov but of him predecessors Dushenov, Kozhanov, Lurdi. Even after the war, Kuznetsov did not understand anything, but proposed to Stalin a mocking program for the construction of battleships, if before the war the wise Stalin rejected this stupid idea because there was no money, then after the war, when the country was in ruins and the rationing system, Stalin was justly angry when he heard the same stupid song about battleships (never needed in the war that just ended) removed Kuznetsov, and sent Alafuzov and Stepanov to prison, at the end of the Kuznets’ careers, the fleet collapsed, finally appointed crooks and careerists to admirals, so they managed to miss the submariners and destroyed an entire battleship right in the port Sevastopol, and even out of stupidity they killed a lot of people, and Kuznetsov was finally kicked out... military personnel (and sailors too) often transform their subordination to their superiors into blind servility, and there were not a single good admirals in Russia after Admiral Makarov, and earlier, you can count them on one hand Sinyavin Ushakov Kornilov Nakhimov...well, a few more of a lower rank
        1. 0
          18 January 2024 19: 21
          Quote: vladimir1155
          Admiral Kuznetsov did not see and did not understand the strategy of the fleet, a typical caretaker is a careerist, the Navy entered the Second World War in a worse condition than in the Northern Military District, useless battleships, defenseless surface ships, and a large number of useful submarines and boats, wooden minesweepers and sea hunters are the merit not of Kuznetsov but of him predecessors Dushenov, Kozhanov, Lurdi. Even after the war, Kuznetsov did not understand anything, but proposed to Stalin a mocking program for the construction of battleships, if before the war the wise Stalin rejected this stupid idea because there was no money, then after the war, when the country was in ruins and the rationing system, Stalin was justly angry when he heard the same stupid song about battleships (never needed in the war that just ended) removed Kuznetsov, and sent Alafuzov and Stepanov to prison, at the end of the Kuznets’ careers, the fleet collapsed, finally appointed crooks and careerists to admirals, so they managed to miss the submariners and destroyed an entire battleship right in the port Sevastopol, and even out of stupidity they killed a lot of people, and Kuznetsov was finally kicked out... military personnel (and sailors too) often transform their subordination to their superiors into blind servility, and there were not a single good admirals in Russia after Admiral Makarov, and earlier, you can count them on one hand Sinyavin Ushakov Kornilov Nakhimov...well, a few more of a lower rank

          Well, yes, Admiral Kuznetsov overslept the battleship Novorossiysk. And Putin overslept Moscow. For your information, your beloved Makarov overslept Petropavlovsk, where he died, walking in a squadron along the same route
    2. 0
      12 January 2024 17: 08
      This is especially noticeable in the Yemen region.
  3. +2
    12 January 2024 13: 51
    We need Abkhazia for many reasons. There are many abandoned military bases in this republic. Without coastal support, the fleet alone will not survive. At one time there was an electronic surveillance post where the entire sea was visible, including the shores of Turkey. There is no need to treat the Turkish fleet with ridicule. It will soon be replenished with a second aircraft carrier. The rivalry in the Black Sea is in full swing. And yet the priority is on our side. Since our coastal part is larger than the rest. It must be used correctly.
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  5. +2
    12 January 2024 15: 59
    Abkhazia must be included in Russia. In Abkhazia, 90% of the population have Russian passports, pensioners receive Russian pensions, etc. The time after 1991 has shown that states formed on the territories of the former Union Republics of the Soviet Union (Russia) are enemies of Russia, excluding Belarus for now.
    1. +3
      12 January 2024 20: 49
      it is now impossible to include Abkhazia and South Ossetia... because Georgia currently has a completely adequate government, which, unlike Moldova, did not follow the lead of the United States after 24.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX...

      in general, this problem had to be solved in 2008, when our guys occupied Gori, Poti and were 100 km from Tbilisi...

      and about enemy states... well, maybe we should work with the peoples, and not with the Yanukovites??? when you have characters like Chernomordin or Zurabov working as ambassadors, then anyone will become an enemy...

      say thank you that Lukashenko turned out to have something that became insanely expensive in Russia before the New Year... if Yanukovo had been in his place, there would have been a Ze-Ti coalition a long time ago...

      and even against such a loyal Belarus, how many sanctions and other milk wars did they manage to impose?
      1. +3
        12 January 2024 21: 58
        All power in all states formed on the territories of the former Union republics of the Soviet Union, excluding Belarus, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Transnistria, is maintained solely through the support of the United States (NATO). All this power is comprador. To label the Georgian government as pro-Russian is worse than a mistake, because... you give Georgia the opportunity to dictate terms to Russia. The world respects determination and strength. International laws are written for the weak. The behavior of the US and Israel tells you nothing.
        1. +1
          13 January 2024 10: 21
          Why is Georgia opening a second front against Russia dangerous for the Black Sea Fleet?

          It is dangerous in the ease - a repetition of the tragedy with the large landing ship "Novocherkassk." In my understanding, this is a colossal (yet another) blow to the image of the country with victims and, as a result, (possibly) unhealthy conversations among other crews of warships. That tragedy reminds me of such a small - mini Pearl Harbor. The West's strategy is clear, and the tactic itself - "a thousand injections" - is shown in action. To understand the threat, it is enough to take a compass with a ruler to calculate the range of the supplied missiles and, applying it to the point, draw a circle on the map. Strength and respect are good, and economics, and a refrigerator... The main thing is to figure it out and not be naive, because it was so funny when Posner fled from a hotel in Georgia and then tried to say something while rolling his eyes, like, why me?
    2. 0
      12 January 2024 22: 52
      I agree it should be included, but for now the Abkhazians are satisfied with the state in which they are located, in fact they are included, but legally independent, the fleet should not be hidden in Abkhazia, but everything large should be withdrawn from the Black Sea, leaving only ships of the third and fourth rank there, they and they can be well relocated along the rivers, they can be in Abkhazia and anywhere
    3. 0
      18 January 2024 19: 23
      Quote: vlad127490
      Abkhazia must be included in Russia. In Abkhazia, 90% of the population have Russian passports, pensioners receive Russian pensions, etc. The time after 1991 has shown that states formed on the territories of the former Union Republics of the Soviet Union (Russia) are enemies of Russia, excluding Belarus for now.

      So Abkhazia does not want to be part of Russia. The clans there are making money.
  6. +6
    12 January 2024 16: 09
    If Abkhazia is ready to host our fleet, then we need to be ready to accept Abkhazia into the Russian Federation. In case Georgia rocks the boat. It will be right.
    1. +4
      12 January 2024 20: 45
      Abkhazia does not want to become part of Russia, as its officials say with enviable regularity. unlike South Ossetia.

      The Georgian issue had to be resolved in 2008...but, as always, they followed the lead of “respected Western partners”...

      and now oh, and there are NATO infrastructures... that's unexpected... really they cheated again???
  7. +6
    12 January 2024 16: 14
    Why then is the Black Sea Fleet needed at all if it is not even able to protect itself, why the hell feed these admirals and other caps. different ranks, maybe it’s better to disperse them altogether with pissing rags
    1. 0
      12 January 2024 21: 14
      If you don’t land in Odessa and Nikolaev, then what should large ships do except not serve as targets for the Ukrainian Armed Forces. And freight can be transported by trains or road trains. As a last resort, river-sea barges. And air defense can be located on the coast.
  8. 0
    12 January 2024 17: 31
    Russia is taking too much time, they had the AFU on the ropes and fiddled around too much, which gave them time to regroup.
  9. +6
    12 January 2024 20: 44
    On August 10, 2008, the Russian army occupied the port of Poti...

    then, with the active mediation of Sarkozy (those same French whom Medvedev always disliked), the army left and the infrastructure went to NATO...

    15 years later, those characters are shaking their little fists and blaming Lenin for everything...
  10. -2
    13 January 2024 08: 56
    Why is Georgia opening a second front against Russia dangerous for the Black Sea Fleet?

    It is dangerous due to the financial costs of holding a referendum on the annexation of the Tbilisi region to Russia.
    And nothing else.
    1. +1
      13 January 2024 13: 20
      To attach you need a base, i.e. Russian law. The law of the Russian Federation which states that all seized territories of the USSR, within the borders of 1975, and now part of the Russian Federation, are an integral part of Russia. Take the example of the PRC, they have laws on both Taiwan and Hong Kong, Argentina has a law on the Malvinas-Falkland Islands, Japan on the northern territories, etc., but the Russian Federation has no laws. There is no Presidential Decree for Ukraine, there is no Russian law, and you yourself see what is happening.
      1. +1
        13 January 2024 13: 54
        We have our own cat, Leopold, and our own, “progressive” economy. With their oligarchs, especially close to the body... So here...
  11. +2
    13 January 2024 19: 16
    Quote: bug120560
    Unfortunately, we do not have people capable of seeing the prospects for the development of the fleet, such as Admiral Kuznetsov.

    You should not overly idealize individual individuals.

    ...Admiral Kuznetsov did not see and did not understand the strategy of the fleet, a typical careerist supply manager, the Navy entered the Second World War in a worse condition than in the Northern Military District, useless battleships, defenseless surface ships...

    But you shouldn’t overly consider them fools either. Underestimation of the threat from the air was characteristic of ALL navies in the world at that time. Even the Japanese who staged Pearl Harbor (although it would seem) piled the budget of 10 aircraft carriers into Yamato and did not bother to provide it with any air defense.

    In fact, the role of a “brilliant” commander comes down not to inventing unprecedented tactics, but to ADAPTING available resources (human, technical, etc.) to the existing conditions on the battlefield.

    The admirals had tasks.
    For these tasks, they asked for a couple of Mistrals (I suspect they asked for not 2, but 22 Mistrals, 19 aircraft carriers with a full set of Su-57s and a constellation of 2000 satellites).
    But the Mistrals were closed, and our industry, obviously, could not provide analogues. Although they kicked themselves in the chest with their heels - “why order it, we’ll build it!!!!” But for some reason they didn’t build it...
    And as a result, admirals fight not with what is NECESSARY, but with what is available based on the OBJECTIVE capabilities of the state.
  12. GN
    0
    13 January 2024 20: 24
    Send all the defense forces to the trenches on the front line and let them play naval battle there. The entire World Cup...ali. And zero landings. These mediocrities cost the people billions, so what? The Russian authorities simply do not notice this!
  13. -3
    14 January 2024 00: 21
    Georgia will not fight with Russia under any circumstances. And Abkhazia is a region of Georgia, where before the start of the war in the 90s, 70 thousand Abkhazians and 200 thousand Georgians lived. Abkhazia is recognized as a separate state by only 7 countries (out of 160+ in the world). As soon as Moscow stops feeding this region from the palm of its hand, it will peacefully return to Georgia the next day
    1. 0
      16 January 2024 21: 28
      Somehow they quickly forgot the Abkhaz-Georgian war. There, even Chechens fought for the Muslim Abkhazians. Abkhazia will not join Georgia under any “sauce”... What the Russian Federation does not want is that it is better to receive subsidies and divide it between clans, rather than joining, the rivers of money will decrease, and you will have to earn it yourself.