Sweden is thoroughly involved in the fight against Russia on the side of Ukraine

December 10 2023 48

In 2022, the Kingdom of Sweden was tired of being at least in words a neutral country and was drawn to “exploits.” Once it was a powerful empire in Europe, but now it cannot even join NATO with its head held high and is forced to demonstrate loyalty to Washington at every step.

Stockholm began supplying various machinery, ammunition and other military property to Kyiv. Now it has come to the point where high-ranking Swedish military units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are visiting.

It became known that the Commander-in-Chief of the Swedish Armed Forces, General Mikael Büden, visited the 45th separate artillery brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces (45th separate artillery brigade, military unit A2943), created a year ago. The brigade consists of 4 howitzer divisions, an anti-tank division and a combined rifle battalion. The permanent location is the city of Yavorov in the Lviv region. Some units of the 45th separate brigade are located at the Yavorovsky training ground, and the rest are in the battle zone against the Russian Armed Forces. Until recently, the brigade was equipped with D-20, Msta-B and Giatsint-B howitzers of 152 mm caliber, as well as FH70 and M777 of 155 mm caliber.

Probably Budin did not visit the front line, but limited himself to a trip to the Lviv region. The thing is that in early November 2023, the mentioned brigade received Swedish Archer self-propelled guns of 155 mm caliber. Ukrainian artillerymen were trained in Sweden, but began additional training in their country. The Swedish general promised that Stockholm will continue to support Kyiv and the weapons systems transferred to Ukraine, one of which is the Archer self-propelled gun. All this suggests that Stockholm is thoroughly involved in the fight against Moscow.

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strange guest

-11

10 December 2023 13: 21

The Swedes are understandable. The kingdom's armed forces are not capable of independently defending the country from an attack by Russia. Alliance is the only way out.
1. D-east
  
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  10 December 2023 16: 11
  
  During the times of the most powerful Soviet Union, the Swedes for some reason remained neutral, but now they are suddenly afraid of the aggression of Russia, which, with the exception of nuclear weapons, is inferior to the USSR in all respects.
  1. strange guest
    
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    10 December 2023 16: 47
    
    The Union complied with the agreements. And it was a state with a social orientation, which would not sacrifice the well-being of its own and other people’s citizens for the sake of the financial and economic benefits of the elites. About the same as Sweden now) with all its shortcomings - you don’t need to tell me about them, I know everything about them. It’s just that the advantages outweigh them very significantly.
    And now Russia is an ordinary capitalist state. Young and greedy. Without an idea and restraining factors in the form of religion at least. (I saw a video that killing a Ukrainian is a godly deed. Cross yourself and kill. We don’t want your priests to talk about the Swedes like that). That’s why we are afraid. Lots of nuclear weapons and huge ambitions and dreams of Empire.
    And the Swedes want to be in the commonwealth, but not a colony. And this is the fate of all small states - neighbors of Empires.
    1. D-east
      
      0
      
      16 December 2023 16: 16
      
      There is no need to make the USSR a pink boy; when it was necessary, he could act decisively and toughly. Hungarian events, Czechoslovakia - have you heard anything about them? Soviet-Finnish war 1939-1940?
      Who tells you about any shortcomings? What dreams about the empire, where did you see them? Why do we need your rocks? In your beloved Sweden, Korans are burned openly, and you talk about the problems of religion in Russia. You present the video that you saw in the Internet trash as proof of villainous intentions - it’s funny to read about it.
      As for wanting to be a member of NATO, that’s up to you, Swedish citizen.
  2. Lieutenant reserve
    
    +1
    
    16 December 2023 04: 24
    
    During the Soviet era, the power of Western countries was headed by smart people with a strong will who could pursue their own policies. Now, in many countries, cheap puppets are in power, without a backbone and without a will.
Anton Kuzmin

+1

10 December 2023 13: 35

I read Wiki English. There's a sign down there. It contains the column “known losses”. While there is "Zero". But there is also a “donations” column. And now there is the number “8”. They put it on U. This means that Wiki will soon rule! Count of losses! :)

It's a joke, but the Swedes' shooting game turned out to be quite good. The main advantage is that they arrived, turned around in 30 seconds, fired all 150 rounds in 21 seconds, curled up and disappeared in another 30 seconds. Counter-battery combat against it will not be easy.

And, on the other hand, I remember, the Swedish king had already contacted U. and near Poltava his leg was broken... I wonder what the Swedes will do this time? Maybe it's time for some to invest in a prosthetic factory? /laughs/ :)
Anton Kuzmin

+5

10 December 2023 13: 37

Quote: Strange guest
The Swedes are understandable. The kingdom's armed forces are not capable of independently defending the country from an attack by Russia. Alliance is the only way out.

Nonsense of the purest water! After Sweden received a red star from Russia, it was forced to declare its neutral status. And I have never made a mistake. Moreover, in both WWII it made great money by supplying Germany with raw materials and weapons.

But if it gets into NATO, it will get screwed sooner or later. And only foreign agents who work for an overseas uncle can drag her into NATO, and they are deeply infuriating us for ordinary Swedes! (sorry for my French) :)
1. strange guest
  
  -8
  
  10 December 2023 14: 01
  
  Russia is an ordinary capitalist country. Who dreams of becoming an empire. And Sweden is an ordinary capitalist country. Not Orthodox, but Lutheran. Which is afraid of the empire reviving next to it. Neutrality in a multipolar world (the construction of which Russia has declared its main goal) is an extremely ephemeral thing. Who will defend the country in case of attack? Nobody. Therefore, Alliance - be realistic. The Swedes and the country's leadership are trying, like any reasonable people, to look not a year ahead, but a little further. And consider the risks. Could they fall under a Russian nuclear attack as part of NATO? They can. But only in the event of a global mess - the chance of which is extremely low.
  Will they be able to defend themselves (a country of 8 million) in the event of Russian aggression? No. They won't be able to do it on their own. And the chance of such a development of events in the approaching multipolar world, where everyone is for himself (who is not in a block house) is much higher. Therefore the Alliance. The chances of the kingdom continuing to exist independently are much higher.
  1. Dart2027
    
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    10 December 2023 15: 26
    
    Quote: Strange guest
    Will they be able to defend themselves (a country of 8 million) in the event of Russian aggression?
    
    It remains to find out why Russia needs this.
    1. strange guest
      
      -10
      
      10 December 2023 15: 40
      
      Why did Russia need the First World War, for example? This is first of all.
      Now, let’s say, it’s not needed. And who knows what will come into the head of the Successor? This is secondly.
      Russia's attitude towards treaties and obligations is now also known. They declared them unprofitable for Russia and canceled them. Which also does not add trust. This is third.
      And you are not reading carefully - I wrote about the impending multipolar world - it is natural that countries with a common culture, religion, God forgive me - individual values (which for our Empire are completely sodomistic values) will strive for an alliance with their own kind. Responsible statesmen cannot leave everything to chance in the face of looming uncertainty. And the fact that no one can imagine - what a new world this is, where each country is fighting for its own interests - everyone is talking about it. Therefore, they become closer to those whose interests and values they share. This is the fourth.
      And in Sweden the people support this decision. Swedes have more in common with the Germans, English and Dutch than with the Russians. They made their choice. And the voice of the people is the voice of God. This is the fifth.
      And Putin said that every country has the right to ensure its security in the way it considers necessary. This is in the sixth.
      1. Dart2027
        
        +5
        
        10 December 2023 15: 57
        
        Quote: Strange guest
        Russia needed the First World War, for example
        
        So it was Russia that started it? Wow.
        
        strange guest
        
        -6
        
        10 December 2023 16: 35
        
        I forgot to put a question mark. Need not. And there was one of the first and no attempts to resolve the crisis in a completely different part of Europe - almost immediately there was a general mobilization, which pushed this lump from the mountain. Or she could have declared neutrality instead of getting involved in the Austro-Serbian conflict. It's still July 25th. It is quite possible that there would not have been a war. Historians are still arguing about the reasons for the outbreak of the First World Massacre. And none of the reasons were worth the losses that the participating states suffered.
        
        Dart2027
        
        +3
        
        10 December 2023 18: 42
        
        Quote: Strange guest
        And it was one of the first to enter and there were no attempts to resolve the crisis
        
        Not counting the negotiations with the Kaiser that Nicholas II conducted, trying to convince him to bring the solution to the crisis to an international court.
        
        Quote: Strange guest
        crisis in a completely different part of Europe - almost immediately general mobilization
        
        So it was RI that started the mobilization? What did AB do, may I ask?
        
        Quote: Dart2027
        It remains to find out why Russia needs this.
        
        As I understand it, there will be an answer?
        
        strange guest
        
        -7
        
        10 December 2023 19: 13
        
        Why? Will.
        You see, what’s the matter... Who could have imagined 10 years ago that a military training exercise would be held on the territory of Ukraine? Nobody.
        Who can guarantee that V.V. Putin’s successor will not want to start a North Military District on the Scandinavian Peninsula in 10 years?
        Никто.
        Can Sweden protect itself relatively? Maybe. There are two options - your own nuclear weapons or an alliance with nuclear weapons. Cheaper in Alliance.
        
        Dart2027
        
        +4
        
        10 December 2023 20: 19
        
        Quote: Strange guest
        Who could have imagined 10 years ago that there would be
        
        a coup d'etat, almost openly organized by the United States and accompanied by the beginning of the genocide of the Russian-speaking population?
        
        Quote: Strange guest
        that V.V. Putin’s successor will not want to start a Northern Military District on the Scandinavian Peninsula in 10 years
        
        After they joined NATO? No one.
        
        Quote: Strange guest
        Can Sweden protect itself relatively? Maybe.
        
        One option is not to get into trouble.
        
        Quote: Strange guest
        And about WWI. Did RI need her?
        
        Quote: Dart2027
        So it was RI that started the mobilization? What did AB do, may I ask?
        
        strange guest
        
        -2
        
        11 December 2023 00: 56
        
        Well, what if the government resigns in Sweden? Or, God forgive me, will the Swedes abandon the monarchy? You see, this is an internal affair of the Swedes and they do not want Russian troops to come to understand these issues.
        
        Dart2027
        
        0
        
        11 December 2023 19: 58
        
        Quote: Strange guest
        You see, this is an internal affair of the Swedes
        
        Quote: Dart2027
        a coup d'etat, almost openly organized by the United States and accompanied by the beginning of the genocide of the Russian-speaking population?
        
        strange guest
        
        -7
        
        10 December 2023 19: 18
        
        And about WWII. Did RI need her? Absolutely not! But I wanted to fight. And hunting is worse than bondage.
      2. D-east
        
        +9
        
        10 December 2023 16: 20
        
        Russia's attitude towards treaties and obligations is now also known. They declared them unprofitable for Russia and canceled them.
        
        - The teachers were and are good! Do you know a country like the USA? She is very sensitive to compliance with previously concluded agreements.
        
        strange guest
        
        -10
        
        10 December 2023 16: 45
        
        Well, the Alliance States has not let us down yet.
        On the one side. On the other hand, can the Russians declare the agreement unprofitable and break it? They can.
        And how should leaders of other states look at this?
        There is no trust. Oddly enough, it was towards the Union. But he kept the agreement.
        
        D-east
        
        0
        
        16 December 2023 17: 32
        
        The Soviet Union The Warsaw Pact did not fail.
        On the other side. Should I honor you, is it only Russia in this world that breaks treaties and agreements? Can the Americans declare the agreement unprofitable and break it? They can. Is it worth reprinting your words?
    2. mapok
      
      +1
      
      10 December 2023 16: 45
      
      I would like to find out even more why Russia needs Lisbon, which they want to take over through one person, on this site.
      1. strange guest
        
        -7
        
        10 December 2023 17: 18
        
        Probably, Lisbon is strategically more important - it has immediate access to both Atlantics
        
        El13
        
        0
        
        10 December 2023 19: 49
        
        I would like to see how Russia will conquer Sweden without touching NATO (before joining)... They included Sweden without its consent - this is a question of whether it is a colony or not, the opinion of the people THEN adjusted to the right one... What is wrong in your head? Before joining, they wouldn’t have gotten hit in the head with a cannonball, but now they will definitely get it in the event of a mess... And yes, what kind of agreements does Russia with Sweden or Europe not observe? And, by the way, regarding the interests of the Republic of Ingushetia in WWI: what interests do you say Sweden has in helping Ukraine?
        
        strange guest
        
        -6
        
        10 December 2023 20: 50
        
        Before Finland and Sweden joined NATO? Yes, as it is now in Ukraine - only faster) there are 5 million Swedes - 8 million Finns. In Ukraine - probably from 35 to 40. So the Russian Federation would have managed it much faster. The Swedes understand how lucky they are that the Russian Federation started with Ukraine, and not with Scandinavia, and they managed to jump on the NATO bandwagon. Now that NATO is behind us, it is much more difficult to cope with.
        
        El13
        
        0
        
        11 December 2023 22: 35
        
        What for, what for a goat button accordion? There are still a bunch of countries not in NATO, should they also be trembling by now? Ridiculous... And the Balts will be bitten off, even though they are in NATO, if they start deploying strategic equipment there, I bet the tooth is cut off... Well, the Swedes and Finns were almost there anyway, just informally... well now formally, they won’t turn away...
staer-62

0

10 December 2023 14: 05

They become impudent from impunity. Putin has taken the West’s desire to completely destroy Russia to its extreme. They do not hide the fact that they would like to burn every Russian, following the example of Nazi Germany, in the ovens of concentration camps. I will vote for Putin only if Europe is punished in the most cruel way and I will give my vote only to those who can do this.
1. Just a cat
  
  0
  
  10 December 2023 17: 37
  
  to promise does not mean to do. Zelensky, like Poroshenko, promised a lot of things to the baboons. are still waiting.
In passing

0

10 December 2023 17: 03

The world is ruled by the paradigm of all against all. There is no need to explain who its authors are. Under this, alliances, axes, partnerships and other associations are put together. Not for, but against, someone else. Capitalism does not imply cooperation and competition, but only rivalry and competition. Perhaps regional associations will be created along the lines of African, South American, Asian unions... but... the main, largest states will determine the agenda. And we all know what they are called.
1. strange guest
  
  -4
  
  10 December 2023 17: 26
  
  Well, this is a multipolar world. Which the Russian Federation is building. Yes, it doesn’t look very good - both from the point of view of comfort and from the point of view of safety. But!! But a smart leader opens up so many new opportunities! And catch a fish in troubled waters, and solve all sorts of border territorial-religious-ethnic conflicts at once! If you feel strong, decide! Not sure - at least try!
  All sorts of UN, OSCE and others will disappear, just as the League of Nations disappeared. Yes, small countries in such a world only need alliances and commonwealths. But these are already costs. And it’s not a fact that this will help small countries..
Platon Verdictov

0

10 December 2023 19: 02

The impatient West and the Swedes, in particular, need to say thank you, otherwise they would have been reset without noise and dust.
If the miracle with a spot on his forehead had not begun to depict the great mediurgist - the unifier of the world, then an iron fist would have risen even then, and it would have become obvious that he was not a mediurgist, but the leader of a ruined country in a state of siege. Since this person came into this world to catch a buzz, and not to tear veins, he preferred the role of an advertising agent for a pizza hut. EBN and the current guarantor, with their proof of bourgeoisism, have been doing the same thing for 30 years. The bottom line is 30 years of quiet life for London and other inhabitants, impoverishment of the majority of the people and war. Thanks again to the impatient West - we can’t do without a magic kick.
Flight

-2

11 December 2023 03: 28

The Swedes are understandable. Tolerate this Soviet-non-Soviet elite in communication for so many years. Another thing is the elite in Ukraine. Their desires are clear and obvious, and their methods are familiar from communicating with the Soviet elite.
Seal

+3

11 December 2023 14: 47

Quote: Strange guest
Why did Russia need the First World War, for example? This is first of all.

We didn't need the First World War. And we didn’t initiate it. It was Germany who declared war on us. Moreover, Pourtales by mistake (or maybe on purpose) handed Sazonov TWO NOTES at once declaring war on us. The first - if we do not agree to cancel the mobilization (and we did not start a general mobilization, but just a few western districts), the Second - if we agree to cancel the mobilization. That is, Lutheran-Catholic Germany would declare war on us in ANY case.
But you, apparently in a purely Lutheran way, are trying to present Russia as guilty of WWII.

Quote: Strange guest
And who knows what will come into the head of the Successor? This is secondly.

The second follows from the first. At first you lied about the first thing and, based on your lies, you are again trying to make negative predictions about the supposed future of our behavior.

Quote: Strange guest
Russia's attitude towards treaties and obligations is now also known. They declared them unprofitable for Russia and canceled them. Which also does not add trust. This is third.

Russia's relations are known???
Didn’t the West promise Gorbachev that even Poland would never be a member of NATO???
Then the question was whether the USSR would be against the fact that the GDR, having become part of the Federal Republic of Germany, would also join all the structures that the Federal Republic of Germany belongs to. In those years, this was the ultimate dream of the West. But what actually happened? The appetite came while eating. The West, regardless of faith, Lutherans, Catholics, Anglicans and so on saw that Gorbi could be deceived with impunity... and the West forgot all its promises.
What happened in Ukraine in February 2014? Western politicians publicly gave guarantees to Yanukovych, including guarantees of holding early presidential elections with his participation, and AT THE SAME TIME brought Georgian snipers to Ukraine to shoot naive idiots and conscientious admirers of Hitler and the idea “Ukraine is on top!” (Ukrainian version "Deutschland über alles").
The fact that the West has double standards is especially clearly demonstrated by the example of Yemen. President Mansour Hadi was there. Who was overthrown by the people on January 22, 2015. Moreover, he overthrew it on his own, without Western help. Hadi submitted his resignation. The government of the country also resigned. However, on January 25, Hadi decided to withdraw his resignation. And UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon immediately called on all countries to take measures to restore Hadi as president. Although there was already another Provisional Government in Yemen. The West began to reinstate Hadi as President. And that is why there is still a war going on in Yemen.
Just like in Ukraine. Although I personally don’t understand how Hadi is fundamentally different from Yanukovych.
Wherever the West gets in with its “Western values,” wars begin, which lead to devastation, famine, and so on. Just look at Libya.
1. strange guest
  
  -1
  
  11 December 2023 17: 25
  
  Let's look at the documents.
  On the morning of July 30th, the Kaiser sent the following telegram to Nicholas, where he explained the mobilization announced by Emperor AB:
  
  My envoy has been instructed to draw the attention of your government to the dangers and serious consequences of mobilization. I said the same thing in my last telegram. Austria mobilized only against Serbia and only partially. If Russia mobilizes against Austria-Hungary... The entire burden of the decision now lies on your shoulders. You are responsible for war and peace
  
  Nicholas had every opportunity to prevent war - to announce the cancellation of mobilization, withdrawal from the Entente and the neutrality of the Republic of Ingushetia. And yet there would be no war. Britain and France would not have opposed the Triple Alliance without Russia. Moreover, if Nikolai understood what his decision would lead to, he would have done exactly that.
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  2. D-east
    
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    16 December 2023 17: 41
    
    Didn't the Kaiser have such opportunities? Cancel mobilization, withdraw from the Triple Alliance, proclaim neutrality? Then Austria-Hungary would not have opposed the Entente. Moreover, if Wilhelm had understood what his decision would lead to, he would have done exactly that.
    Your attempts to portray Russia as the instigator of WWII are very unconvincing.
2. strange guest
  
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  11 December 2023 17: 40
  
  And from the memories of the participants in these events themselves:
  
  On July 19 (August 1), the German Ambassador to Russia, Count Friedrich Pourtales, appeared at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The Ambassador asked Minister S.D. Sazonov, whether Russia agrees to abandon mobilization. The minister answered negatively. The excited ambassador took some paper out of his pocket and repeated the question twice more, each time becoming more and more agitated. “I cannot give you any other answer,” Sazonov said. “In that case,” said F. Pourtales, choked with excitement, “I must hand you this document.” And he handed the minister a note declaring war. After presenting the note, the German ambassador went to the window and, holding his head, began to cry. Having somehow controlled himself, F. Pourtales hugged S.D. Sazonov and left the ministry.
  
  So the question is, who wanted war...Agree to refuse mobilization - that's all...Germany did not want the conflict from the Balkans to escalate throughout Europe.
  1. Seal
    
    +4
    
    11 December 2023 18: 59
    
    And what about Russia?
    
    After Vienna declared war on Serbia, partial mobilization was announced in Russia (Kazan, Moscow, Kiev, Odessa). But it turned out that such mobilization is difficult to carry out, because in Russia there were no plans for partial mobilization against Austria-Hungary; there were such plans only against the Ottoman Empire and Sweden. It was believed that separately, without Germany, the Austrians would not risk fighting with Russia. But Russia itself had no intention of attacking the Austro-Hungarian Empire. The Emperor insisted on partial mobilization; the head of the General Staff, Yanushkevich, argued that without the mobilization of the Warsaw Military District, Russia risked missing a powerful blow, because According to intelligence reports, it was here that the Austrians would concentrate their strike force. In addition, if you start an unprepared partial mobilization, this will lead to disruption of railway transportation schedules. Then Nikolai decided not to mobilize at all, but to wait.
    
    The information received was very contradictory. Berlin tried to gain time - the German Kaiser sent encouraging telegrams, reporting that Germany was persuading Austria-Hungary to make concessions, and Vienna seemed to agree. And then a note from Bethmann-Hollweg arrived, a message about the bombing of Belgrade. And Vienna, after a period of hesitation, announced the refusal of negotiations with Russia.
    
    Therefore, on July 30, the Russian emperor gave the order for mobilization. But I canceled it immediately, because... Several peace-loving telegrams arrived from Berlin from “Cousin Willy”, who reported his efforts to induce Vienna to negotiate. Wilhelm asked not to start military preparations, because this will interfere with Germany's negotiations with Austria. Nikolai responded by suggesting that the issue be submitted to the Hague Conference. Russian Foreign Minister Sazonov went to the German Ambassador Pourtales to work out the main points for resolving the conflict.
    
    Then Petersburg received other information. Kaiser changed his tone for a hard one. Vienna refused any negotiations, there was evidence that the Austrians clearly coordinate their actions with Berlin. There were reports from Germany that military preparations were under way. German ships from Kiel were transferred to Danzig in the Baltic. Cavalry units advanced to the border. And for the mobilization of the armed forces, Russia needed 10-20 more days than Germany. It became clear that the Germans were just fooling St. Petersburg to gain time.
    
    On July 31, Russia announced mobilization. Moreover, it was reported that as soon as the Austrians cease hostilities and a conference is convened, Russian mobilization will be stopped. Vienna reported that stopping hostilities was impossible and announced a full-scale mobilization directed against Russia. The Kaiser sent a new telegram to Nicholas, in which he said that his peace efforts had become “ghostly” and that it was still possible to stop the war if Russia canceled military preparations. And an hour later, Wilhelm II in Berlin, to the enthusiastic roar of the crowd, announced that Germany was “forced to wage war.” Martial law was introduced in the German Empire, which simply legalized previous military preparations (they had been underway for a week).
    
    And in your opinion, is Russia to blame for the outbreak of the First World War?
Seal

+1

11 December 2023 18: 57

Quote: Strange guest
Nicholas had every opportunity to prevent the war

Oh wow.
Russia again??!!!
What, Austria-Hungary and Germany are completely white and fluffy?

On June 28, 1914, in Sarajevo (Bosnia), terrorists kill the heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne, Franz Ferdinand, and his wife Sophia. It is interesting that the Russian Foreign Ministry and Serbian Prime Minister Pasic received a message through their channels about the possibility of such an assassination attempt and tried to warn Vienna. Pasic warned through the Serbian envoy in Vienna, and Russia through Romania.

But it doesn’t matter, the heir went anyway. Or I could just not go. After all WARNED!!
But the heir is killed and..how does Germany react?

Kaiser Wilhelm II, who learned about the terrorist attack during the Fleet Week celebrations in Kiel, wrote in the margin of the report: "Now or Never" (the emperor was a lover of loud “historical” phrases).

I wonder what he's talking about? Can't you guess?

And in Vienna they sat down to compose an ultimatum to Serbia, and they tried to include points that the Serbs could not accept. On July 14, the text was approved, and on the 23rd it was handed over to the Serbs. A response had to be given within 48 hours. The ultimatum contained very harsh demands. But the Serbs stuck their pride deep and accepted all the demands except ONE!!!!
The Serbian side only refused the participation of the Austrians in the investigation of the assassination of Franz Ferdinand on the territory of Serbia, since this affected the sovereignty of the state. Although they promised to conduct an investigation and reported the possibility of transferring the results of the investigation to the Austrians.
The question is what prevented Austria-Hungary from removing this clause or at least starting negotiations on mitigating it.
But Vienna regarded this answer as negative and did not want to hear any more compromises. On the same day, On July 25, the Austro-Hungarian Empire began a partial mobilization of troops.
On the same day, July 25, the German Empire began covert mobilization.
So, on June 25, 1914, Austria-Hungary and Germany began mobilization together. And figs with the fact that one was partial, and the other was hidden. The main thing is that mobilizations were announced. And Russia found itself in a difficult situation. We have an alliance with the Serbs and we were obliged to help Serbia in the event of an attack by a third country.
But in Germany and even in Austria-Hungary the network of railways and roads was much denser than in Russia. Especially in Germany. And Germany, if something happened, could mobilize its army completely in a time period that was at least three times less than Russia could do.

The general course of German mobilization is presented as follows:

On July 25, officers on leave outside Germany were summoned by telegraph, and all large structures (on roads, etc.) were taken under guard; On July 27, work began in the fortresses of Metz and Didenhofen; on the same day, the return of troops from the camps to their permanent quarters began, the security of the railways was strengthened and a partial call-up of reservists was announced; 29th - termination of vacations and the beginning of mobilization work in the fortresses; On the 30th, border security was strengthened, and the troops covering them were moved closer to them, and 6 age classes of reservists were called up; On the 31st, a “situation threatening war” (Kriegsgefahrzustand) was declared, which made it possible, even before the announcement of mobilization, to carry out a number of measures that facilitated and accelerated the transfer of the army to martial law. General mobilization announced on August 1; its first day is scheduled for August 2. As a result of these preliminary orders, at the time of publication of the decree on mobilization, the German army had already largely completed mobilization work, and the troops assigned to cover the border with Belgium and France had already been transported to their destinations: on the Belgian border - the 1st Cavalry Corps (Guards . and 5th cavalry divisions) and 6 infantry brigades of various corps; to Luxembourg - the 4th Cavalry Corps (3rd and 6th Cavalry Divisions), and to Lorraine - the 3rd Cavalry Corps (Bavarian, 7th and 8th Cavalry Divisions). The mobilization of the standing army was completed on August 5.
By the way, the war has already begun. Since on July 28 Vienna declared war on Belgrade.
On the 29th, the ships of the Austro-Hungarian Danube Flotilla and the Zemlin fortress, located opposite the Serbian capital, began shelling Belgrade.
1. kapitan92
  
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  11 December 2023 19: 48
  
  At least give me a link to the wiki.
2. strange guest
  
  -1
  
  11 December 2023 20: 44
  
  Historians have been arguing for more than 100 years about who is more to blame for the outbreak of WWII. Let's not quarrel. What is known is that each of the countries could not allow it to begin. But she didn't want to.
  1. strange guest
    
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    11 December 2023 21: 09
    
    Yes, there was a tangle of contradictions that none of the empires wanted to resolve peacefully.
    This is what frightens us when we talk about a multipolar world. The more poles, the more contradictions. It just takes a little time for them to intertwine again into the ball from which the real Third World War will grow.
    All the leading countries entered the First World War with such speed, as if they were just waiting for it. Absolutely no brakes.
    1. D-east
      
      0
      
      16 December 2023 17: 48
      
      By the way, these empires and countries (France and Italy did not call themselves empires) were part of alliances. This did not save them from the war.
  2. Seal
    
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    12 December 2023 12: 23
    
    Well, thank you for the fact that you agreed not to consider Russia the main culprit of the First World War.
    But I will say more. Russia is rather a victim of this war. Let me explain.
    For example, I am very alarmed by the fact that at the end of the 19th century the Russian and Ottoman Empires faced the same problems.
    In Europe and near Europe, by the beginning of the XNUMXth century, only our countries had discovered huge oil reserves. Well, it’s true, there was also Romania – but Ploesti was not even close to Baku and Kuwait. “If oil is the queen, then Baku is its throne,” wrote Winston Churchill at the beginning of the century. But Baku is the Russian Empire. And modern independent Kuwait, Iraq, Saudi Arabia - at the beginning of the XNUMXth century this was the Ottoman Empire. But as they say now: “Oil was found in Antarctica. The bloody penguin regime will soon end." And at the end of the 19th and beginning of the XNUMXth centuries, somehow synchronously, as if directed by the same hand of an invisible conductor, from the end of the XNUMXth century the so-called “Jewish pogroms” began in the Russian Empire. Now I am not taking into account the Jewish-Greek showdowns in Odessa and Akkerman, which took place there quite often almost from the very beginning of the 19th century, but I mean precisely those pogroms that began during the reign of Alexander III and in which our Russian population participated quite en masse . And in the Ottoman Empire, 10 years later, “Armenian pogroms” began. It seems that the theme of pogroms was first worked on for us, in Russia, and then they decided to introduce it in Turkey. In the so-called liberal (and not only liberal) European and American press, cries first began unanimously about the “bloody regime of Russian tsarism of Alexander III (and then Nicholas II),” and with the beginning of the Armenian pogroms in Turkey, about the “bloody regime of the Turkish Sultan Abdul Hamid II", which urgently need to be democratized. Our Empires began to be nibbled around the edges. At the beginning of the century, a piece of Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands were bitten off from Russia, the Liaodong Peninsula with Port Arthur and Dalniy, and Manchuria were taken away. At the beginning of the century, almost all of its European part and Libya were bitten off from Turkey. And England in 1895 invited Sheikh of Kuwait Mohammed ibn Sabah to establish “allied relations” with them following the example of other principalities of the Persian Gulf. That Sheikh rejected England's advances. And then the British organized a conspiracy. In May 1896, Muhammad and his associates were killed. The brother of the murdered Sheikh, Mubarak ibn Sabah, came to power. January 23, 1899 Mubarak signed an agreement with England. It was secret, since as a Turkish governor (mutasarrif), Mubarak did not have the right to enter into negotiations, much less conclude international agreements. Having exceeded his authority, effectively ceasing to obey the Turkish governor of Basra, Mubarak signed a pledge not to alienate his territory to anyone except England. Having established control over Kuwait, the British government closed the ring of its possessions in the Persian Gulf, essentially turning it into an “English lake.” But huge oil reserves (Iraq, Baku, Saudi Arabia) remained outside British control. Something had to be done about this. Moreover, another European democracy, Germany, has begun to lay claim to this piece of the pie. Which began to build a railway all the way to Basra.
    In April 1900, the British ambassador in Istanbul informed the German ambassador that England had concluded an agreement with Sheikh Mubarak “which prevents the sheikh from giving concessions to subjects of third powers.” A similar statement was made by the British Ambassador in Berlin. In August 1901, Germany declared that it did not recognize England's claims to Kuwait.
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      12 December 2023 12: 25
      
      While these negotiations were ongoing, the following events took place in Kuwait itself. In August 1901, at the request of Germany, the Turks sent troops to Kuwait to assert the sovereignty of the Sultan. They set off by sea. When the troop transports arrived in Kuwait, they met an English cruiser at anchor there. The commander of the cruiser told the Turks that if even one Turkish soldier landed on the shore, the British would sink the Turkish transports. The Turkish ships turned back.
      
      On September 6, 1901, England and Türkiye signed an agreement on the Kuwait issue. It was as follows: England recognized Turkish sovereignty over Kuwait, but on the condition that Turkey would not send its troops there. Turkey recognized the special interests of England in Kuwait and the Anglo-Kuwait agreement of 1899. Thus, on the one hand, Turkey’s pride was satisfied, on the other, the claims of England were satisfied, since Kuwait was actually under British control.
      We also tried to participate in resolving the issue, so in 1902 Russia sent the cruiser Varyag to the shores of Kuwait and, putting pressure on Sheikh Mubarak, tried to prevent England from strengthening its influence there - to no avail. And almost instantly we got a war in the Far East.
      
      And then, to finally resolve the issue, the First World War began. In which the British with all their might dragged Turkey on the side of Germany. Of course, how to divide Turkey if it, like Russia, is an ally. In order for Turkey to take the side of Germany more firmly, England on July 29, 1913 forced Turkey to sign an agreement with England, according to which Kuwait was recognized as an autonomous territory with its own flag. And soon, immediately after the outbreak of the First World War, England proclaimed Kuwait “an independent principality under an English protectorate.”
      
      And the British decided to try another option with us. And they did it. As a result, Baku oil was torn away from Russia (Azerbaijan became independent), and all its oil-bearing provinces - Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia - from Turkey. And it became clear who received the main benefit from the war. ENGLAND!!!! How long did British troops occupy Baku? After the war, England, under the mandate of the League of Nations, received Iraq, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Moreover, the English Democracy even cheated its ally the French Democracy, which only got Lebanon and Syria from Turkey, where although there was oil, in comparison with what England grabbed the oil there was just a cat crying :)
      But we, Russia, are luckier than Turkey. We had the strength to regain Azerbaijan with its Baku oil in 1920. And we did this with the help of Turkey. It was Turkey (Ataturk) who gave an ultimatum to Azerbaijan to allow our 11th Army to pass through the territory of Azerbaijan, which supposedly consists of Muslim Volga Tatars and is transiting through Azerbaijan to help Turkey help it fight against the Entente crusaders. Although everyone understood perfectly well that Ataturk was simply handing over Azerbaijan to us.
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12 December 2023 12: 15

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Historians have been arguing for more than 100 years

This is not a matter for historians. Because everything lies on the surface. Firstly, in 1914 there was no longer a completely multipolar world. It was quasi-multipolar. But many did not understand this then and do not understand it now. The Astors, Rothschilds, Morgans, Rockefellers, Vanderbilts and a dozen other similar families - that's who ruled the world.
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  This is all good and correct. There is just no answer to the question - why did Russia get involved in this absolutely unnecessary war? After all, there was a chance - agreement to cancel the mobilization and declare neutrality. History would have gone differently. But no. Zealous jumped up.
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    12 December 2023 19: 30
    
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    History would have gone differently.
    
    And in six months I would have to fight the Germans alone.
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    Yes, of course it’s a shame that we were dragged into the First World War. But what can we do, we couldn’t stay away when the big one (Austria-Hungary) began to offend the little one (Serbia). With which we had both official allied relations and a sense of belonging, like the Slavs have with the Slavs.
    And, of course, we had obligations to France. Which was the largest creditor of Russia.
    There is an interesting point. Why did the Austrians delay for so long in delivering the NOTE (Ultimatum) to Serbia? The fact is that after the Sarajevo murder, French President Raymond Poincaré was going to St. Petersburg.
    The Austrians drew up a NOTE on July 19, but its delivery was postponed due to the visit of French President Raymond Poincaré to St. Petersburg on July 20–23. Since Austria and Germany feared that the head of the French Republic could quickly coordinate his position with Russia. Therefore, they decided not to give a possible enemy such an opportunity.
    Why did Poincaré come? Yes, then, to remind Nicholas II that Russia owes France a huge amount. And therefore France expects Russia to participate in a future war.
    
    By the way, another typical example.
    July 5, Wilhelm II meets with the Austrian ambassador at Potsdam Palace. From the ambassador’s telegram to the Austrian-Hungarian Foreign Minister Berchtold: “In the opinion of Emperor Wilhelm, this speech must not be delayed. Russia's position will in any case be hostile, but he has been preparing for this for a number of years, and even if it comes to war between Austria-Hungary and Russia, we can have no doubt that Germany will fulfill its allied duty and stand by ours. side." Wilhelm also summons representatives of the military command to Potsdam to inform them of the possible outbreak of war. From the memoirs of the Chief of the General Staff, General Helmuth von Moltke:
    
    I had nothing to do after this audience. The mobilization plan was completed on March 31, 1914. As always, the army was ready.
    
    The next day, the Kaiser sets off on a three-week vacation on his yacht to the shores of Norway. The Chief of Staff and the Secretary of the Navy are also on leave at this time. Nobody still expects anything dangerous.
    And further. The Kaiser's authorities had been preparing Germany for a war with Russia for a long time.
    The Kaiser more than once openly admitted his hatred of the Slavs.
    General Alexei Brusilov recalled that during his vacation at a resort in Kissingen in May 1914 he attended a city festival. A large model of the Moscow Kremlin was built on the square, which was then burned to the enthusiastic roar of the crowd.