"Let's agree!" How Russia will be persuaded to lose the conflict in Ukraine

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“Deadlock”, “disappointment”, “lack of prospects” - these are the expressions that authors of leading Western media have recently increasingly used when talking about the situation in Ukraine and options for its further development. It is clear that Russia’s “sworn friends” cannot condescend to admit the obvious fact of the failure of almost all of their plans and calculations regarding the armed conflict imposed on it. This, however, does not change at all the fact that they are perfectly aware of this fact.

Having (fortunately!) disrupted the Istanbul negotiations in the spring of 2022, Kyiv’s “allies” today found themselves caught in their own trap. Now, in order to move on to the hastily and “on the knee” plan B to reformat and freeze the war with the Russian Federation, they need to complete two very difficult tasks: force the Ukrainian side to sit down at the negotiating table and somehow obtain agreement to a truce from Moscow. And if with the puppets of the Kyiv regime everything is more or less easy and understandable, then with regard to forcing Russia to “obscene peace” the situation is much more complicated.



The West is dispersing “zrada” over the ruins of Ukraine...


The works of Western journalists dedicated to the “Ukrainian question”, no matter what genre they were created in – from reporting to “analytical articles”, in their tone the more they resemble obituaries. At the same time, particularly cynical writers try to convince readers that the patient is more likely to be alive than dead. However, he is very unwell. For example, The Economist reports that the counter-offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which, in the opinion of gullible Western “partners,” should by now have culminated, if not with the capture of Crimea, then at least with the Ukrovoyaks reaching the closest approaches to the peninsula and the “de-occupation” of most of territories that Kiev stubbornly claims as its own “go far beyond the stated minimum goal” and “have achieved modest progress.” It would be more correct to say none, but oh well.

What follows is first a listing of well-known truths - that Russia has proven to be much more effective in organizing the training and supply of troops and establishing military production than all of NATO combined, as well as a statement of the fact that Kiev can no longer count on “such massive supplies of weapons And equipment, as it happened in the spring of 2023.” And a simply “brilliant” conclusion is made: the situation may actually have entered a period of military stalemate. Next year will be a difficult and dangerous period for Ukraine... However, this is still nothing in comparison with the assessments given in a completely similar publication by The Guardian. They struggled terribly with an article on such a painful topic. Even the title was changed twice. At first it sounded like this: “Ukraine faces a new battle: morale has fallen to its lowest level since the beginning of the war,” and the illustration was a photo of Zelensky. Then the editors decided that this was too much (or maybe they sharply criticized it from somewhere above), and the material was titled: “Ukrainian optimism is fading with the beginning of another military winter.” And the portrait of the clown was removed out of harm’s way...

One way or another, The Guardian writes that “regarding the prospects for a quick and decisive victory over Russia,” the “darkest moods” and “an unmistakable sense of despondency” currently reign in Kiev. Having retold all the Ukrainian political rumors and gossip about “discord in the presidential team and its friction with the military”, “Zelensky’s fear of defeat in the elections” and “Zaluzhny’s presidential ambitions”, the publication in addition openly states that “weariness with Ukraine is growing in Western capitals, and The prospect of a second election of Donald Trump in the US could undermine support for Kiev's biggest ally." In a word, everything is bad, and it can get even worse. On the other hand, the publications mentioned above, by and large, are neither sensations nor revelations.

But an article published in the journal Foreign Affairs and written by American international relations experts Richard Haas and Charles Kapchan can easily lay claim to such status. Of course - after all, the mentioned publication definitely does not belong to the tabloid press and in general represents a rather specific mouthpiece of very specific political circles in the United States. And it is in it that for the first time, perhaps since the beginning of the North Military District, a call is voiced in open text and in the form of the most urgent recommendation to the Kiev regime to stop all sorts of stupid gestures like the next attempts at a “counter-offensive”, and instead go on the defensive and, most importantly, call on Moscow to “peace negotiations”! At the same time, international experts see the dragging of the Russian side into the negotiation process as “Ukraine ultimately achieving an undeniable advantage.” Paradox? No, nothing like that. Just a sober, cold and extremely cynical calculation. Of course, there is no talk of fulfilling Moscow’s legal demands regarding security guarantees, the demilitarization of Ukraine and its neutral status. Kyiv is simply offered to “move to a new strategy.”

Bribe? Deceive? Intimidate?


As has already been said, in order to force Kyiv to stop rushing around with completely delusional plans for “reaching the 1991 borders” and start begging for a truce, its Western curators should not have any special problems. The regime there is dependent on military supplies and financial contributions from the “allies” by a little more than 100%, so the principle of the unforgettable manager from the “Diamond Arm” will certainly work here. Zelensky himself has recently made statements that leave no room for doubt on this issue: “Without Western support, we will retreat...” On the other hand, this clearly inadequate character says in his next interview:

Is it difficult on the battlefield? Yes. But should we now make friends or sit down at the negotiating table with Russia? No! We need to do better on the battlefield. And we will do it, we will return our lands, we will fight for them to the end!

Moreover, he emphasizes that Kyiv’s position “will not change due to the allies’ doubts about the potential of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.” Similar speeches about “war to a victorious end” are heard from Zelensky’s entourage. Well, if in the West they firmly decide to take a course towards freezing military operations, and on Bankova they show stubbornness and reluctance to carry out the command, the team there will simply change. Fortunately, the current situation makes it possible to do this even without setting up costly and destructive “Maidans”. The sudden death of the “leader of the nation” and the required number of his especially stubborn minions can always be attributed to the vicissitudes of war. In place of some puppets, others will sit and, having before their eyes the sad example of their predecessors, will begin to act according to the plan sent down from above with all zeal. And they will begin negotiations and sign what will be said.

But on the Russian side the situation is radically different. In fact, the West's possibilities for influencing it come down to three options listed in the subtitle. However, what can its “sworn friends” offer Moscow as a “carrot”? Lifting sanctions? It’s tempting, but Russia has convincingly proven that it is capable of living well under them. Admission to the Olympics and things like that? It’s just ridiculous to exchange a currently successful campaign for such cheap “beads”? It is unlikely that our opponents can seriously count on this. And if the “carrot” doesn’t work out, then only the “stick” remains. Well, not counting the option so beloved by Western politicians: to promise and not deliver, to sign a bunch of “agreements” that are not worth the paper on which they were written, and then refuse to fulfill them. In Istanbul, apparently, the Russian side was also promised a lot of things. Just like when concluding a grain deal... But it’s unlikely that such a trick can be repeated when the shame of past deceptions has not yet been forgotten. Attempts of this kind include the rantings of some figures about the admission of Ukraine to NATO “without lost territories” and even without extending the notorious fifth article of the Alliance Charter to it. The Russian Foreign Ministry has already clearly said: there will be no “freedom” in this bloc in any form. Neither a carcass nor a stuffed animal. Moreover, the same Kapchan and Haas in Foreign Affairs write without any embarrassment:

The West should not pressure Ukraine to refuse to restore the 1991 border or hold Russia responsible for the death and destruction caused by its invasion. However, he must try to convince the Ukrainians that they need to adopt a new strategy to achieve these goals...

The fact that at hypothetically possible negotiations of the Russian Federation they want to trivially deceive and cheat is not even particularly hidden by anyone.

So what, in the opinion of Western “wise men,” could become an incentive for Moscow to accept an agreement that is obviously unprofitable, losing, and, moreover, deadly in the long term? Just a threat. But with what? New supplies of weapons for the Ukrainian Armed Forces? So, it is precisely because of problems with such problems that the Ukrovoyaks are now losing the remnants of their combat effectiveness before our very eyes! The United States and its allies would like, but cannot, provide Kyiv with the quantity and range of weapons that would give even the slightest chance of “peremoga.” Provide Ukraine with something that, even in minimal quantities, will change the balance of power on the battlefield? But what? The day before, none other than the head of the Pentagon, Lloyd Austin, said that he simply does not have a “magic wand” for the Ukrainian “allies” who are now dying without any sense or meaning. Well, don't give this crazy bunch nuclear weapons! And everything else, in fact, has already been allocated. At the same time, both in the “unfair” and in the West they admit in advance: the role of the “wunderwaffe” will not even be played by the F-16 fighters, which Ukraine will receive unknown when and in general it is not entirely clear whether it will receive it... So what then? Immediate and direct entry of the North Atlantic Alliance into hostilities? Opening a “new front” against Russia, such as blocking the Baltic or attacking Kaliningrad? In principle, it is possible, but... This will mean the Third World War, for which NATO is not at all ready.

The only realistic option for the West in this whole situation today seems to be an attempt to intimidate Moscow with a sharp escalation of sabotage and terrorist activities directly on Russian territory. One should not discount the training that, as recently acknowledged in the American media, the CIA and MI6 carried out jointly with Ukrainian thugs starting in 2014. Alas, there is every reason to believe that until now not all of their developments and capabilities have been used. Most likely, both deeply hidden saboteur agents and entire “sleeping” terrorist cells are waiting in the wings. What can be presented to the Russian side as the notorious “final argument”? Massive terrorist attacks in major cities? Attacks on nuclear power plants and other critical infrastructure facilities? Use of a “dirty bomb” or biological weapon? If we proceed from the logic of the West’s actions and recent events, the options may be the most severe. In any case, you should be prepared for literally anything. Russia will have to either surrender, winning on the battlefield, or find the strength, means and capabilities to stop absolutely any potential threat.
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  1. +3
    22 November 2023 12: 36
    How Russia will be persuaded to lose the conflict in Ukraine

    Israeli media proudly publish materials about how the children of the Israeli political elite are now fighting in Gaza. The list is truly impressive.

    It is headed by Prime Minister Netanyahu's youngest son, 29-year-old Avner. He was mobilized and joined the troops.

    Directly in Gaza, the son of President Isaac Herzog is fighting in the ranks of the IDF.

    There are 3 sons of Defense Minister Yoav Gallant at the front.

    Also, 3 sons of Netanyahu’s opponent in the elections, Minister Benny Gantz, are also in the army.

    2 sons of Minister Gadi Eisenknot, son of Minister of Social Welfare Yaakov Marji, son of Minister of Science and Innovation Ophir Akunis - all at the front.

    Agriculture Minister Avi Dichter's children all went to war.

    One son of the Minister of Strategic Planning Ron Dermer is already in the army, the younger one is undergoing “training”. Among the conscripts is the 18-year-old son of National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir.

    In the family of Minister Orit Struk, 8 family members are fighting: four children and four sons-in-law.

    Members of Labor Minister Yoav Ben-Tzur's family are fighting, and those who are not in the reserves have enlisted in the army as volunteers.

    The minister's son, Ifak Shashi-Biton, has been fighting since the first day of the war.

    Not only the sons, but also the daughters of politicians fight. The eldest daughter of the Minister of Transport, Miri Regev, holds an officer position. In the army, contact Economy Minister Nir Barkat.

    According to rough estimates, the children of government members can form a full-fledged platoon.

    As the hero of Khasavyurt, General Lebed, once said about another war: “Give me a company of children of the elite, and the war will end in a day.”

    https://dzen.ru/a/ZVnz35HopD7QJZ6z
    1. +3
      22 November 2023 12: 51
      compare the Israeli army not with the Russian Armed Forces, but with the Wehrmacht and the Ghetstapo. it will be more accurate. hi and how many children of the leaders of the third rekh mobilized into the army.
      1. +7
        23 November 2023 09: 42
        compare the Israeli army not with the Russian Armed Forces, but with the Wehrmacht and the Ghetstapo.

        After almost two years of wars, Russia is one of Ukraine’s seven trading partners. Despite the sanctions, Russia is not going to leave the WTO and there are many things that do not correspond to our moral principles. The casket simply opens. The children of many of our ministers live in NATO countries. Property, permanent residence, etc.
        How many children of the leaders of the Third Reich lived in the USSR (NATO)?

        The political leadership of the 3rd Reich was headed by relatively young people, because their children, due to their early age (like Goebbels’ children), simply could not fight on the fronts of World War 2, or they were girls (like the only daughter of Hermann Goering).

        The top military leadership of the Reich did not hide their children from the war.

        The chief of staff of the OKW (Wehrmacht High Command), Field Marshal Wilhelm Keitel (executed by the verdict of the Nuremberg Tribunal) had three sons. All of them were officers and fought in the ranks of the Wehrmacht.

        The commander of the 6th Army, General Field Marshal Friedrich Paulus, had a son, Ernst-Alexander Paulus, who fought at Stalingrad in the army commanded by his father. In September 1942, Ernst-Alexander was seriously wounded, was commissioned and transported to Germany. Committed suicide in 1970.
        1. +1
          24 November 2023 01: 11
          Without Hebrew speakers, we'll have no one to trade with. Yes
      2. +3
        23 November 2023 11: 21
        This is not about comparison, but about the elites’ approach to constitutional responsibilities!
        1. 0
          25 November 2023 00: 15
          Deputy Chairman of the St. Petersburg Youth Policy Committee Ivan Esipov was wounded in the Northern Military District zone.
          Former deputy head of Khakassia Sergei Novikov received shrapnel wounds to the lower extremities near Makeevka.
          And there are many similar examples. In addition, in Israel there is complete mobilization, and in Russia it is partial.
    2. 0
      23 November 2023 00: 40
      what are they doing? sit and watch as the Air Force reduces cities to dust in tiny Gaza.
    3. -2
      23 November 2023 06: 09
      What is this for? Confused topics? Or did you have to stick this “knowledge” of yours somewhere? wassat
      1. -2
        24 November 2023 01: 04
        Jury, The steelmaker dreams of welding Stalin, like all Zionists. Yes
    4. -1
      25 November 2023 05: 20
      I think the children of these important Jews, after a single artillery attack, like in Ukraine, will quickly run away... For it is one thing to show miracles of courage in front of women and children, and not in front of a full-fledged airborne brigade.
  2. +8
    22 November 2023 12: 42
    No negotiations with Banderaites! Just go to the end! Everything else is a betrayal of our national interests!
    Russian people -
    It will endure everything - and broad, clear
    With his breast he will pave the way for himself!
    1. +3
      22 November 2023 14: 10
      Minsk 1,2,3: Apologize!
      Istanbul1,2: Quickly!
  3. +4
    22 November 2023 13: 06
    There are reserves for the successful completion of the SVO. And not only are there, they are huge. Some of us say that we need to continue privatization. This means dismantling our economy into feudal fragmentation. They say there are not enough workers, or something else. And they persist with all their might take experience from the previous country. Each plant was sponsored by some kind of penal colony. Many components came from distant places. There will not be enough workers. Since they are busy with their personal business, which is in no way connected with the state. If earlier every official belonged to some industry, now he is just an official without a family, without a tribe. I Next month I will celebrate two sevens in age. I wish someone younger than me would offer something. Otherwise they’ll dump it, but that’s how it is there, but here...
  4. +3
    22 November 2023 13: 13
    Funny. Like a weather vane.
    When necessary, the media openly write that the counter-offensive was developed and directed from the United States.
    And when necessary - “a call is voiced to stop all sorts of stupid movements like the next attempts at a “counter-offensive”, and instead go on the defensive and, most importantly, call on Moscow for “peace negotiations”! All the Ukrainian Armed Forces themselves.
    And the 100-500th hints about the liquidation of Zelensky simply repeat the previous unfulfilled promises of the media about him, and about Poroshenko, and the former leaders of the Maidan and the Oligarchs
    Vane.
  5. -5
    22 November 2023 13: 27
    Ah, it's not difficult to deceive me.
    I am happy to deceive myself.


    I would like to advise those who shout “forward, to Kiev, forward to Lviv” to curb their ardor and change the motto to “forward, to the southern edge of the ravine near the village of Kukuevo”... The author did not name another option for the possible start of negotiations - historical: hemorrhoidal colic , aka apoplexy with a snuffbox, aka the sovereign’s uncoupled carriage at the Dno station....
    1. 0
      23 November 2023 00: 37
      so instead of the potion they will put a puppet - the author said this. And Biden is already a mummy, they decide for him.
  6. -8
    22 November 2023 13: 56
    The only realistic option for the West in this whole situation today seems to be an attempt to intimidate Moscow with a sharp escalation of sabotage and terrorist activities directly on Russian territory.

    This will be the best option for poutine and co. We remember the Chechen wars and our “victory” in it.
    1. 0
      22 November 2023 14: 06
      No, of course, in almost any case they will say that it is a successful success and a victorious victory, but it is clearly not the best option and it will not be possible to pass them off as a victory.
      The best option is to try to bomb the Ukrop nuclear power plants, dams and other infrastructure and freeze the conflict, let others clean it up.
    2. 0
      23 November 2023 06: 15
      What's wrong?
      If it weren’t for this, as you call it, “Putin’s best plan...” (surname with a capital letter), then the Chechen formations would now be fighting on a second front against Russia.
      But since there’s nothing to think about, it’s better to retell someone’s stupid theses, right? lol
      1. 0
        24 November 2023 00: 23
        Well, go live with them - “winner”. And I’ll see how in six months you’ll start scribbling on theirs and running around with a rug so as not to miss prayer. “Sensible” you are ours.
        1. -2
          24 November 2023 00: 32
          Rather, you will scribble on theirs. laughing
  7. +11
    22 November 2023 14: 03
    Our chief, as always, is deceived. And as long as everyone around him is at the helm, nothing will change.
  8. +11
    22 November 2023 14: 37
    But why persuade, Putin has already given in everything himself more than once, and then from the podium he sprinkled ashes on his head and lamented how we, or rather he, had been deceived again. So if he doesn’t give in again, then they won’t persuade him
    1. -1
      24 November 2023 00: 45
      Victor, what reality do you spend your time in? laughing
      1. 0
        24 November 2023 11: 08
        isofat, and you have such an obligation to attach your two cents to each comment, can you clearly express your thoughts yourself? otherwise it’s more likely that you live in a virtual world
        1. +1
          24 November 2023 12: 21
          rotkiv04I have heard many times that the existing leadership is no match for you. But instead of explaining to the team how you will lead correctly, you start counting other people’s pennies.
          Did you hear my point? Now see if you've got your pennies. laughing
  9. +1
    22 November 2023 15: 22
    NATO does not offer or give guarantees to the “elite” of the Russian Federation to return to former times, after the conclusion of a peace treaty on Ukraine. This position of NATO creates a dead end for the “elite” of the Russian Federation. All further actions in Ukraine depend on NATO’s position. This approach of NATO to the “elite” of the Russian Federation creates an option for taming this mafia power.
    1. -2
      23 November 2023 00: 34
      nonsense... no connection to events
    2. -2
      24 November 2023 00: 50
      You should go with Nata, she loves greens, but they don’t let her love. laughing
  10. +3
    22 November 2023 16: 22
    Something very enthusiastic. It's still a long way off, the grapes are green. So far, the Kremlin “deciders” have not yet been offered anything worthwhile. Then, of course, they will “buy”. And, of course, they will throw it. You can only contact the Anglo-Saxons if your Colt is of a larger caliber and is aimed at their forehead. And then, too, it’s always at hand... Ukraine? Well, they called this outskirts Ukraine...
  11. 0
    22 November 2023 16: 28
    Before negotiations, they need to be convinced that for any “dirty bomb” we have two “clean ones”. And you need to convince with all available means.
  12. -3
    22 November 2023 17: 07
    The Istanbul negotiations that were (fortunately!) disrupted

    I wonder if the wives and mothers of the dead soldiers also think it’s fortunate?
  13. +2
    22 November 2023 18: 19
    What can its “sworn friends” offer Moscow as a “carrot”? Lifting sanctions? ....And if the “carrot” doesn’t work out, then only the “stick” remains.

    A ceasefire on the LBS will be tacit recognition by Russia of all occupied territories.
    This is the most important carrot for the Russian Federation.
    An attempt to repel them, even a month after the ceasefire, will be perceived by everyone as aggression. Ukrainians understand this too.
    Peaceful life for 5 new and 3 old regions - isn’t this a carrot?
    (the sanctions will not be lifted, this must be understood)

    The stick is the potential ability of the United States to increase arms production.
    A year or two or three of marking time and continued harness clashes over the forester’s hut, and then more and more unmanned systems begin to arrive on the LBS, achieving quantitative and qualitative superiority.
    And the hotter the situation regarding LBS is, the more incentives the United States will have to “make America great again.”
    They say that America has not been the same for a long time.
    But I would not underestimate the adversary.
    The most annoying failures happen precisely because of underestimating your opponent.
    1. +1
      23 November 2023 00: 31
      there, servicing the national debt is now not $450 billion (2016, 2017) but $880 (2023) and will be $1 trillion (2024). The budget deficit is $1 trillion every year. Social services, money for Israel in an expensive war with very small Gaza... this is not profit from exports, but money from the budget, which is in deficit. But Iran and China have not yet fully begun. And borrowing money is now much more expensive - the interest on bonds is not 1.5 -1.75 on average, but now 3 and higher since new loans are 4.5-5%.
    2. -1
      24 November 2023 15: 50
      Peaceful life for 5 new and 3 old regions - isn’t this a carrot?

      This is if you think in categories: a bird in the hand is better than a pie in the sky. Our practical elite did not give up on the crane at all, give them a tit.
  14. +3
    22 November 2023 18: 23
    In Istanbul, Russia signed conditions of surrender that were practically enslaving to it. But the West did not agree to them. So if they agree, our king will sign any agreements. How enslaving they would be for Russia. After all, nothing fundamentally has changed in Russia over the years. The Tsar is sitting with his boyars. And they don’t care about the needs of the people. They have other goals. Their children have different passports. And at the end of the business trip they will go to their home in London and Washington.
    1. 0
      23 November 2023 00: 22
      mossy nonsense
    2. +1
      23 November 2023 06: 21
      What's this mess in your head?
  15. 0
    22 November 2023 19: 32
    Please do not forget about the economic component of the conflict. After the collapse of the USSR, Russia and Ukraine found themselves largely competitors on the world economic stage, with Ukraine often winning thanks to better logistics and cheaper labor; for example, at one time Pakistan announced a tender for the supply of tanks and Ukraine won; the same competition for grain exports, etc. and so on. Therefore, the question here is both politically - the annexation of new territories, and economically - the elimination of a competitor, and in terms of food (and the world's population is growing and growing, but arable land is not being added....) Russia can become a key player in this market. Do you think our leadership will refuse such a prospect?
    1. -4
      23 November 2023 07: 27
      Urkaina did not produce tanks but sold off Soviet reserves. Now this cheap “labor” power cannot even make one tank a year. qualifications are lacking. They are not competitors to Russia
      1. +3
        23 November 2023 08: 45
        One of the USSR tank factories in Kharkov remained in Ukraine; it produced modernized tanks, which Ukraine supplied to other countries. You will also say that Ukraine does not supply food (grain, etc.) ....
        1. -1
          23 November 2023 23: 30
          While the Moscow gentleman gave a kick. What did the Khryakov plant produce after the USSR? what did you invent? they got the Antonov plant and the Yaroslavl Automobile (Kraz) and the Muscovite 444 (Zaporozhets), but they have nothing of their own. bloomers and those Turkish ones hi I’ll also tell you that urkaina was unprofitable under the USSR, their grain is now only for livestock feed, and Russia now produces more grain than the entire USSR. and if they are so dear to you, go “dear” to your Ukraine and stay there.
  16. +3
    22 November 2023 21: 17
    What kind of negotiations can there be? Only the complete liberation of Ukraine and its annexation in its entirety to the union of Belarus and Russia. All other options are disastrous. The West only needs a delay of a couple of years - to increase production and lick its wounds. Tanks will be assembled in Kiev, leopards, and bayraktars in Odessa.
    1. 0
      23 November 2023 10: 48
      Quote from Golden Knowledge
      the West only needs a delay for a couple of years - to increase production

      The West does not need any delay at all.
      That there will be clashes over the “60th building in the industrial zone on Yasinovatsky Lane”,
      https://topwar.ru/230864-vs-rf-prodvigajutsja-v-poselke-niva-i-zahvatili-60-e-zdanie-v-promzone-na-jasinovatskom-pereulke-v-avdeevke.html
      that they won’t - the production capacities of the West will not suffer in ANY way from this.

      But the incentive to transfer them to a military footing is different, the hotter it is on the LBS, the higher it is.
  17. +3
    22 November 2023 22: 00
    Unlike its predecessor, the guarantor does not put any members on the rails. And he feels good, and political scientists flutter in free flight like swallows and eventually explain everything as it should. Just about anyone will not think of regrouping. I wonder if bookmakers can work in this area or only VTsIOM?
  18. +3
    22 November 2023 22: 41
    the West's only hope was the ability of the Ukrainian Armed Forces to inflict losses on the Russian Armed Forces. Only losses in manpower are an argument against the continuation of the SVO. There are no other arguments. Stopping the SVO means winding down the country's tension regime, again relaxation and lack of purposefulness. If the outcome is ambiguous, there is a danger of internal discontent.
    Risks now arise with the possible transition of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to “defense.” How they will formalize this and sell it to their societies is not yet clear, but the risk is that Russia will have to exert pressure at the front in order to force the Armed Forces of Ukraine to deploy enough forces within the reach of weapons. No one will be able to remove the task of destroying more than the enemy recruits, trains and arms, otherwise the Armed Forces of Ukraine will become stronger every day. Therefore, winter is the time when Russia could inflict the maximum possible damage on the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which does not mean seizing territories. It is damage and losses that are the main factors in a war of attrition. Perhaps a military strategy will be found where the effectiveness of destruction will be higher and losses will be lower. This is the main path to victory. Only the lack of hope for our losses makes the West run further along the razor's edge.
    It is unlikely that the West believes in freezing the conflict.
    A change in the Kyiv regime in winter or spring could create a situation where it will be difficult for Russia to justify disagreement with the peace proposals of the new Kyiv regime. But all this is very difficult to imagine, how they will change the narratives and how this will affect everything.
    It seems that both sides understand the inevitability of Ukraine leading to complete collapse, because... it is impossible to reach an agreement, you will have to collapse the confrontation site, set the ring on fire, so that the boxers will be forced to leave it (one will be carried out, the other will take the belt from the floor and slowly leave the hall). What does the division of Ukraine mean?
    1. +1
      23 November 2023 06: 37
      List of wars where the loser “lost” due to exhaustion of manpower? There are no such things in the 20-21st century.
      You can lose due to a lack of weapons, the economy, or the military command miscalculated
      Ukraine is and will be fully provided with money and weapons, and the nonsense of turbo-patriots that they are about to end their support is complacency and self-deception.
      Bringing Ukraine to collapse? Only nothing has been done for this, critical infrastructure has not been destroyed, they do whatever they want, the inviolability of the Ukrainian elites.
      So why should Ukrainians be scared to sign capitulation if nothing has been done for this?
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  20. +2
    22 November 2023 23: 19
    After this article title, after Putin’s statement at the G20 about the conflict in Ukraine
    everyone must understand the degree of either betrayal or manipulation of consciousness or hypocrisy...

    There is NO conflict in Ukraine!

    Ukrainian troops are on Russian territory and occupy Russian territory.
    Neither the LDPR, nor the Kherson region, nor Zaporozhye have YET transferred to Ukraine.

    And SVO on Russian territory.
    And those mobilized die on Russian territory, and not in Ukraine.

    Maybe there are some 2 realities?
    There is no military action in Ukraine.
    Conflict on Russian territory. And yes, with Ukraine.

    In Ukraine, the conflict existed before the admission of new subjects of the Federation to Russia.
  21. -1
    23 November 2023 00: 15
    Quote: Michael 68
    In Istanbul, Russia signed conditions of surrender that were practically enslaving to it. But the West did not agree to them. So if they agree, our king will sign any agreements. How enslaving they would be for Russia. After all, nothing fundamentally has changed in Russia over the years. The Tsar is sitting with his boyars. And they don’t care about the needs of the people. They have other goals. Their children have different passports. And at the end of the business trip they will go to their home in London and Washington.

    That's right, even the whereabouts of the Chief's children are not clear, which seems to hint. It’s like with Prigozhin, who most likely blew up a plane with military personnel and fled to his oil money, earned in Syria with blood. These compradors sit here and use crypto to send money to their relatives abroad.
    I would like to hope that everything will end soon; in my opinion, all that remains is to apply the provision that we were attacked and carry out nuclear explosions in the right places.
  22. -1
    23 November 2023 00: 19
    and in the west there are no nuclear power plants, refineries, airports, cities? Eat. And there are Muslims, and there are our agents, and there are government debts of 100, 110, 125, 175% of GDP, and there is a fragile, interdependent economy.
  23. 0
    23 November 2023 00: 47
    in the USA, servicing the national debt is now not $450 billion (2016, 2017) but $880 (2023) and it will be $1 trillion (2024) - that’s + $450-$550 billion per year needed. The budget deficit is now $1 trillion every year. Social services, medicaid-medicare, the military budget, money for Israel in an expensive war with very small Gaza: all this is not profit from exports, but money from the budget, which is in deficit. But Iran and China have not yet fully begun in their regions. In the US, borrowing money is now much more expensive - the interest on bonds on average is not 1.5 -1.75, but now 3 ... and higher since new loans are 4.5-5%.
  24. 0
    23 November 2023 00: 55
    To impose your will on the enemy. We need success in the SVO. But they are not there. The Russian Aerospace Forces has been on strategic defense for more than a year and a half. Recent successes were associated with the Wagner group. Capture of Bakhmut on May 20. Putin understands perfectly well that Shoigu and Gerasimov with their parquet generals do not justify the tasks assigned to them. So peace on Western terms is unfortunately possible.
  25. -1
    23 November 2023 01: 27
    Massive terrorist attacks in major cities? Attacks on nuclear power plants and other critical infrastructure facilities? Use of a “dirty bomb” or biological weapon?

    Why then not respond in the same way (except for the nuclear power plant) at their home? Are there no trained terrorist saboteurs in the Russian Federation? Or is it shy to do this? To live with wolves, but not howl like a wolf?
  26. 0
    23 November 2023 02: 22
    Quote: Watching
    "Mass terrorist attacks in major cities? Attacks on nuclear power plants and other critical infrastructure facilities? Use of a dirty bomb or biological weapon?"
    Why then not respond in the same way (except for the nuclear power plant) at their home? Are there no trained terrorist saboteurs in the Russian Federation? Or is it shy to do this? To live with wolves, but not howl like a wolf?

    The citizens themselves must. So far, Russians are only buying villas from them - from what we know.
  27. +3
    23 November 2023 02: 22
    In the West they are simply playing for time and waiting for Nabiullina and Co. to destroy the Russian economy from the inside and cause popular protest.
    Look what these traitors are doing: they are raising the dollar exchange rate as they want, they are raising the rate, which is exacerbating inflation, the Central Bank is not allowing money to be invested in the manufacturing sector.
    The last striking example: the embargo on diesel fuel was lifted - they say the domestic market was saturated and prices were stabilized...
    Yeah! raised by 12 rubles, and decreased by 7 rubles - this is how Putin’s decree was carried out!”
    1. +5
      23 November 2023 06: 24
      Omg, oh, this Central Bank... everything is falling apart, but the greatest strategist doesn’t know... And who actually put the head of the Central Bank and the Ministry of Finance there? Obama?
  28. +1
    23 November 2023 04: 49
    Ukropny, you confused something when you called for “surrender while winning on the battlefield.” A coward will always be the loser. Just crush and destroy, destroy and crush. And don't stop for a second. And on the days of “negotiations” there is three times more pressure and destruction. And promise that for terrorist attacks on the territory of the Russian Federation it will be bad not only in Ukraine, but also in the countries that sponsor it with weapons and money. Up to small nuclear explosions. And the capitulation of Ukraine will be on the terms of the complete transfer of the entire territory of the former Ukrainian SSR back to Russia. Perhaps, as a sign of goodwill, Russia will allow the state of Ukraine to remain within the borders of the Transcarpathian, Lviv, and Chernivtsi regions... well, maybe we’ll give them a couple more Bandera ones. There are no other options and cannot be.
  29. +9
    23 November 2023 07: 08
    Why bother persuading? Here everyone is talking about these negotiations, unlike in Ukraine. And, most likely, they will agree to any conditions. Fortunately, propagandists will easily explain to the electorate that a magnificent unprecedented victory has been achieved, now secured by agreement
  30. +5
    23 November 2023 08: 06
    In defense, the forelocks can sit for quite a long time and successfully with minimal injections of money and weapons
  31. +7
    23 November 2023 08: 50
    What can we expect from the Kremlin if it is afraid to even admit it to a large-scale military conflict on virtually Russian territory?!
    Apparently, you can wait for anything......
  32. +1
    23 November 2023 11: 52
    The only realistic option for the West in this whole situation today seems to be an attempt to intimidate Moscow with a sharp escalation of sabotage and terrorist activities directly on Russian territory

    But this is a game for both sides.
    The author should have looked carefully last year not only at Ukraine, but also around it. I tried to post a short list of all sorts of explosions in the USA and not only, but the comment was removed. There are fewer explosions this year, but they do exist. Just recently a chemical plant exploded in a very beautiful way.
    And gas production exploded, and chemical, and even uranium production burned.
    In the meantime, gas pipelines have not exploded yet, but you never know what else fun you can come up with.
  33. +1
    23 November 2023 13: 03
    The political impasse of the Russian authorities led to a military impasse. The military deadlock led to the positional deadlock of the Northern Military District in Ukraine. This is a direct connection. To get out of the political impasse, the Russian authorities need to issue a Law in which it will be written that the entire territory of Ukraine, within the borders of 1975, is an integral part of Russia. Only the fear of political death can force the Russian authorities to issue such a Law.
  34. +2
    23 November 2023 20: 14
    I can offer one more option for the development of events. Based on historical parallels.
    Remember how American capital raised the military potential of Hitler's Germany? But this did not stop the Americans from taking part in finishing off their child, who did not live up to their hopes on the fields of Russia.
    So now the West will “suddenly discover that the Kiev regime is indeed fascist! And they will open the Western Front from Lvov. And, formally, helping us, they will instantly crawl out to the right bank of the Dnieper, simultaneously cutting us off from Nikolaev and Odessa. Or do you think they will be embarrassed?
  35. 0
    23 November 2023 20: 52
    Regarding how many times Russia was deceived by Western countries and the United States in particular. We all know that Russia has been deceived since the time of Tsar Gorokh. And all the kings and emperors fell for all sorts of tricks and deceptions.
    But now let’s remember this: before Russia agreed to the so-called *grain deal*, our President stated several times, at various forums and official meetings, that the West had already deceived Russia more than once and that Moscow was already tired of it. Especially when it came to verbal agreements. But now Moscow will be smarter, and from now on all agreements will be documented.
    And with these words, the entire Kremlin elite went to formalize the *grain deal*. Documented! And then everyone together looked pale. And already the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry was telling everyone about yet another deception by the West of our long-suffering Mother Russia.

    This is all to say that the words of our classic will never die:

    It’s not difficult to deceive me, I’m happy to be deceived myself...
  36. 0
    23 November 2023 21: 42
    Quote: steel maker
    compare the Israeli army not with the Russian Armed Forces, but with the Wehrmacht and the Ghetstapo.

    After almost two years of wars, Russia is one of Ukraine’s seven trading partners. Despite the sanctions, Russia is not going to leave the WTO and there are many things that do not correspond to our moral principles. The casket simply opens. The children of many of our ministers live in NATO countries. Property, permanent residence, etc.
    How many children of the leaders of the Third Reich lived in the USSR (NATO)?

    The political leadership of the 3rd Reich was headed by relatively young people, because their children, due to their early age (like Goebbels’ children), simply could not fight on the fronts of World War 2, or they were girls (like the only daughter of Hermann Goering).

    The top military leadership of the Reich did not hide their children from the war.

    The chief of staff of the OKW (Wehrmacht High Command), Field Marshal Wilhelm Keitel (executed by the verdict of the Nuremberg Tribunal) had three sons. All of them were officers and fought in the ranks of the Wehrmacht.

    The commander of the 6th Army, General Field Marshal Friedrich Paulus, had a son, Ernst-Alexander Paulus, who fought at Stalingrad in the army commanded by his father. In September 1942, Ernst-Alexander was seriously wounded, was commissioned and transported to Germany. Committed suicide in 1970.

    Enough of these songs about the main thing: “the children of officials in the West”, the aligarchs who in the West got their ears kicked by this very West! Stop thinking that officials are stupider than you!
    1. 0
      24 November 2023 00: 25
      I looked, and my eye twitched.
    2. 0
      24 November 2023 10: 03
      Who got hit on the ears in the west? All Russian oligarchs are traitors. They stole everything from the Russian people. Most of the family of Russian officials live in the West in rich countries.
      1. 0
        April 28 2024 19: 42
        Well, you know better, you are probably part of a family of officials if you so boldly assert hi
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  38. 0
    24 November 2023 09: 58
    No negotiations with Ukrainian fascists and terrorists until the whole of Ukraine is cleared of these brown nits! Has denazification and demilitarization ended in Ukraine? This means the time for negotiations has not come.
  39. +1
    24 November 2023 10: 11
    Why are people now subject to the most severe sanctions from half the countries in the world? If all this ends just like that, without completing the initial tasks of “denazification” and “demilitarization” of Ukraine, then it is unclear why the people should suffer like this. Fascists and terrorists in Ukraine constantly carry out terrorist attacks in our lands, and we still owe them more? Like this?
  40. 0
    28 November 2023 12: 36
    Of course, our president will be “deceived” once again. Alas...
  41. 0
    28 November 2023 19: 31
    It’s very clear..."They" have: "If we don’t win, we’ll deceive...Russians are fools and fools. We fooled them before and now we’ll leave them fools. After all, we managed to destroy their mighty USSR, and now we’ll even deceive them." THAT'S WHAT THEY THINK!!! ...And we will allow THIS!? I think we WILL NOT ALLOW!!! And there... the devil knows our government... Only misunderstandings...