A truce with Ukraine today means a new war against Russia in the future

November 11, 2023 61

In this publication, we will continue the conversation on how the Ukrainian crisis can be resolved in the most rational way, without leaving our children and grandchildren as a legacy of another, even more terrible war. The matter needs to be finished now, once and for all, but how exactly?

"Istanbulsk"

First of all, it is necessary to say a few words about the prospects for resolving the conflict in Ukraine through peaceful negotiations. Over the past nine-plus years, several attempts have been made to reconcile the Kremlin with the Kyiv regime.

Thus, in 2014 and 2015, the first and second Minsk agreements were signed, respectively, which Moscow proclaimed as having no alternative, and various political scientists and experts declared them to be almost the greatest achievement of Russian diplomacy. However, after the start of the SVO in Ukraine, ex-Chancellor of Germany Merkel and ex-President of France Hollande directly publicly stated that this was an elementary deception aimed at gaining time for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to prepare for war with Russia. As we see, the enemy did not waste time.

However, our peacekeepers did not stop there, and in March 2022, another truce was almost signed in Istanbul. We did not read its specific text, but Belarusian President Lukashenko saw and commented on the content as follows:

We proposed: let's sit down at the negotiating table. Well, they punched each other in the face - let's talk, let's stop this war. Three rounds have passed in Belarus. Then Zelensky either felt too crowded or something else - they left for Turkey. Okay, let's go to Turkey. A draft agreement was placed on the table. If Russia were reading it now, it would go crazy. It was absolutely unprofitable for Russia. But Russia agreed. I have a draft of this agreement on my desk. And as soon as Russia agreed to peace initiatives, the agreement, the project was thrown into the trash.

Some time ago, ex-Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany Schröder also spoke out about the Istanbul “agreement”. According to him, there were five key points. The first is Ukraine’s official refusal to join NATO, the second is the permission of bilingualism. The third point involved granting Donbass a status similar to South Tyrol. The fourth provided security guarantees for Ukraine from the UN Security Council and personally from Germany. The last fifth point concerned Crimea, whatever that means:

Fifth: Crimea. Crimea is more than just a region for Russia, it is part of its history.

And this is a month after the start of the special operation to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine. And in the summer of 2022, a grain deal was concluded, which was intended to demonstrate Moscow’s constructiveness and negotiability, but brought nothing but military and image losses. That is why, due to such an unconvincing background, constant calls for peaceful negotiations and discussions about neutral status of Ukraine as one of the goals of the SVO are of deep concern.

Past the rake

The harsh truth of life is that the Ukrainian conflict has no other solution than a military-political one. Yes, precisely in this connection, since without a project for the post-war reorganization of this entire territory, it economics and way of life, we will get an abscess on our borders, which will regularly break out with pain and blood for both sides. We will now deliberately take the military component out of the equation.

Let us assume that the goals and objectives of the Northern Military District will still be the overthrow of the Nazi regime instead of achieving peace/truce with it through negotiations. Let’s say that Russian industry will nevertheless systematically restructure itself on a military footing, and new shell, tank and repair factories will be built. Let’s say that in addition to the recruitment of contract soldiers into the RF Armed Forces, planned mobilization measures and the preparation of reserves will be carried out, which will allow for offensives to great depths with the subsequent encirclement of fortified areas and blockades of populated areas by truly large, powerful strike groups. Let’s say that our enemy will be deprived of the opportunity to be supplied with shells, fuel and fuels and lubricants, to rotate personnel as a result of the systematic and consistent work of the Russian Aerospace Forces and missile forces to destroy bridges across the Dnieper and railway stations and junctions.

Let us assume that everything is done exactly this way, and the war will be waged with decisive goals to destroy an irreconcilable enemy, which will give grounds to seriously make some plans for the liberation of entire regions of Independence and their reconstruction. But what could it be?

Almost two years later, the CBO's opinions on this matter are polar. Some believe that we need to fence ourselves off from Ukraine with a wall along the demarcation line and build our happy future, showing figs to Ukrainians over the fence. Others are convinced that it is necessary to liberate all of Independence and annex it completely to Russia, since only this will allow it to be really controlled and reformatted from Anti-Russia to part of the Russian world. And indeed it is. True, the question arises: what to do, for example, with Western Ukraine, which even under the USSR with its state ideology, powerful economy and bureaucratic apparatus could not really be changed?

It turns out that in principle there can be no talk of the complete annexation of Ukraine into the Russian Federation, so even in the best scenario for us, if the military component is adequate, something will remain, and a very significant part. So, what is next? Sign another non-binding piece of paper about its supposed neutrality and watch how the part of Ukraine that was not included in Russia is preparing for another revenge. Does anyone really want to pass the war on to their children and grandchildren?

To simplify things completely, Ukraine conditionally consists of three different pieces, the fate of which must be different if we want to really secure our country. Whether someone likes it or not, Independence will ultimately simply have to be dismantled into the South-Eastern, Central and Western, and decided on each separately. Otherwise, nothing will end at all, and the war can last a very, very long time, with interruptions for preparation, for decades. Who doesn’t believe it, look at the history of the Indo-Pakistani conflict. We have something similar in the future, but only at maximum speed.

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strange guest

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11 November 2023 13: 43

So what are the solutions for each of the three parts?
1. Exhauster
  
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  11 November 2023 17: 57
  
  Quote: Strange guest
  So what are the solutions for each of the three parts?
  
  Westernism to the Poles - they will quickly arrange a final solution to the Bendery issue. Central Father - because he will find good use for it, and the KGB is cool there. Well, everything else can be assimilated by ourselves.
2. Nelton
  
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  12 November 2023 17: 33
  
  it is necessary to liberate all of Independence and annex it completely to Russia, since only this will allow it to be really controlled and reformatted from Anti-Russia to part of the Russian world.
  
  It seems to me that several aspects are obvious.
  
  1) in Ukraine now there is not only and not so much a war against Ukraine, but a war with the “West”.
  2) we cannot defeat the West by gradually destroying the supplied weapons.
  3) Ukraine, its declining and aging population, very weak industry, as such, does not pose a threat, it matters only as a battlefield between Russia and the West.
  4) The West will not allow this “chessboard” to be completely occupied in any case; it will send in its troops.
  5) a direct military conflict with the West will cost Russia too much.
  6) The United States does not really need this conflict, but having publicly taken Ukraine under its protection back in 2014, the United States now cannot take it and dump it without great reputational damage. Even the loss of additional territories to their proteges already undermines their image, but still Melitopol and (God forbid) Avdeevka are not Kyiv.
  7) as before, the United States is placing its main bet on economic sanctions rather than military victories.
  8) on the battlefield - the further you go, the more the importance of all kinds of unmanned systems grows, and the importance of infantry and its motivation decreases. In fact, its entire role boils down to calling fire on itself for the subsequent duel of artillery, missiles and UAVs.
  
  hence the conclusions.
  
  1) The main task of the Russian Federation is to withstand sanctions in a long-term confrontation, to continue development and improvement.
  Not only does this fully meet the interests of Russian citizens, it also greatly strengthens the strategic position of the Russian Federation in the world. Seeing that you can live well under sanctions - and other countries will not be afraid of them.
  2) While this confrontation lasts, changes in alignments are possible and very likely; for example, China 2023 is far from China 2014. So are India, Iran and Saudi Arabia.
  In the United States, there is a growing mood to send all the ungrateful European allies to hell, confining themselves to Anglo-Saxon Oceania + a couple of joined Mexico-Japan.
  3) That at the same time Bandera’s unfinished henchmen are dying there - in general it does not matter.
  If the United States wants to, it will again use the territory as a springboard, accumulating drones and shells.
  If they don’t want to, the squeals about “Moskolyak vs. Gilyak” will remain just squeals.
  4) whether this long-term economic confrontation will take place with a frozen LBS, or with the continuation of mutual shelling and missile attacks is not of fundamental importance, but in general I feel sorry for the people in the zone of more or less regular arrivals.
  1. anclevalico
    
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    13 November 2023 09: 21
    
    ..continue development and improvement...
    
    Are we undergoing development and improvement? Perhaps, on Rublyovka...
    1. Nelton
      
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      13 November 2023 11: 11
      
      Quote: anclevalico
      Are we undergoing development and improvement? Perhaps, on Rublyovka...
      
      It goes quite well.
      In large cities it is more noticeable, but in small towns the same is visible.
      Let's say this weekend they opened an ice palace in Engels.
      https://vk.com/video-29019977_456241113
      
      A little earlier, we were pleased with the news about the commissioning of one of the stages of the integrated development of Vologda.
      We entered Romanova Street, No. 3 in the diagram below.
      Vologda! Since time immemorial, the development of the Russian non-Black Earth region has been endlessly postponed; there have always been more important things to do, such as the development of Ukraine, in order to appease such noble lords.
      And then they finally started to do something...
DO

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11 November 2023 14: 24

The question arises: what to do, for example, with Western Ukraine, which even under the USSR with its state ideology, powerful economy and bureaucratic apparatus could not really be changed?

The question arises, what “changes” is the author talking about? Western Ukraine under the USSR had its own army that would fight against the USSR? No. Western Ukraine under the USSR was directly controlled by the West, which would arm it with modern weapons to conduct military operations against the USSR? No. In Western Ukraine under the USSR, was the ideology of Ukronazism implanted by force? No.
Therefore, today it is necessary to bring Western Ukraine to a state in which the above issues in relation to Russia would be resolved in the same way as under the USSR. Everything else against the background of these questions, on today's everyday basis, can only be discussed as a means to achieve this goal.

It turns out that in principle there can be no talk of Ukraine’s complete annexation into the Russian Federation.

Why so?!! Author, justification to the studio!
1. Alexey Lan
  
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  11 November 2023 17: 30
  
  Well, our government, at the beginning of the Northern Military District and now, is not talking about conquering all of Ukraine. That is life. Why? But our troops are simply not that strong and it is not possible to increase them significantly, but it is necessary by 2 times, due to the lack of weapons (as it seems to me). Consequently, the current Ukraine will exist, sad as it is for us. What to do? It is necessary to make victories and capture new territories so that there is something to trade, since there is nothing to trade yet. Those. there is a need to capture the South with Odessa and Kharkov. It would not hurt to have Sumy and part of Chernigov purely for trade. And without Odessa and Kharkov, the rest of Ukraine is no longer the same Ukraine. Not the same power, and even without access to the sea.
  1. DO
    
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    11 November 2023 18: 06
    
    Alexey Lan,
    
    We need to make victories and capture new territories so that we have something to bargain with
    
    That is, trading the lives and injuries of Russian soldiers for dollars?
    It is immediately clear that none of your relatives or friends fought or died in the Northern Military District. And you yourself are most likely demonstrating your vile cynicism as a salesman from America.
    1. vova100
      
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      11 November 2023 21: 10
      
      Tell this to the mothers of the dead soldiers... did they die in vain?
    2. Alexey Lan
      
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      12 November 2023 19: 05
      
      Bargaining territories is, of course, cynical. But there is no way out. As you read my comment, Russia is simply not able to capture all of Ukraine (I would also like this, but alas). I repeat: I don’t have enough strength. TNW could help, but there is no talk of that yet. By the way, I am a supporter of the use of tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine. This means there will be either a long war unfavorable for Russia or negotiations. And negotiations are bargaining.
      1. DO
        
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        12 November 2023 21: 20
        
        Alexey Lan, what did the Minsk negotiations give Russia besides the losses of the civilian population of Donbass? What did the “gestures of goodwill” give to the Northern Military District besides military, civilian and territorial losses?
        Russia has the power to capture all of Ukraine, and this is the only way to stop the massive bloodshed of related Slavic peoples. To do this, you need to fight normally, strictly according to military science, and not “strangely fight” by bargaining with the enemy.
        As for Russian tactical nuclear weapons, using them first on territory that in two or three years will become part of Russia (or part of the Russian-Belarusian union) is inadequate.
unc-2

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11 November 2023 14: 38

Involving the Ukrainians themselves against the Kyiv regime will greatly help solve all the tasks. And for this, you should not humiliate the entire Ukrainian people. It is necessary to show at least a humane attitude towards the people themselves. When our people approached Berlin, Stalin made a timely conclusion -

Wars come and go, but the German people remain

Strict measures were introduced against arbitrariness and lynching.
vova100

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11 November 2023 14: 49

Well, here are my thoughts out loud:
Why negotiate with enemies? In Ukraine, probably in every family someone is fighting against the Russians and many have died... and since they had grief, they became even more angry against Russia with the help of zombie propaganda.....
Medvedev is right - we need to go to the end and solve the tasks that were set at the beginning, including, as I understand it, access to Transnistria and depriving Ukraine of access to the sea...
Maybe I don’t understand something - correct me.....
1. Perun61
  
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  11 November 2023 15: 34
  
  you have to go to the end and solve the problems that were set at the beginning of your
  
  To do this, it is necessary that everyone who believes that they need to go to the end takes a machine gun and goes to the front. The tasks cannot be solved otherwise.
  Otherwise, everyone who proposes to go to the end either appears on TV or sits in mansions in the center of Moscow.
  1. vova100
    
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    11 November 2023 17: 40
    
    How smart do you want your children to fight with Ukraine again?
    I started a business - finish it so that my grandchildren and great-grandchildren can have a good life...
    (I’m not an oligarch and not from Moscow and many of my people are fighting...)
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Vladimir1155

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11 November 2023 15: 08

the solution to the Western Ukrainian problem, aka the problem of the whole of Ukraine, is obvious and simple, Russia needs a state ideology, it does not exist, just as it did not exist in the Republic of Ingushetia and did not exist in the USSR after the death of the great Stalin. In the 80s, I was vacationing in Pitsunda, there was a certain madam who taught the Lithuanian language, she said that all Russians are wild and she teaches schoolchildren about this and says that the situation of Lithuania in the USSR is temporary.... Westernism, like other autonomies, was artificially implanted in the USSR by creating national republics, artificially maintaining non-Russian cultures with the help of complementary foods and appointing specially non-Russian leaders with the right to steal and everything is permissible, and the reason is deep in the lack of ideology, perhaps SUslov was a good person, but he was not Zhdanov, or Beria, but unfortunately more sloppy. The Liberals were in power from the mid-19th century until 1937, and since 1953, they avoided sharp corners, hushed up, intrigued, lied, but they did not build an ideology and are not building it now... therefore, it is clearly necessary to first have a military defeat of Ukraine, then its liquidation as a separate state and the liquidation of its autonomy, then the cessation of support for the Ukrainian language, the deportation of the massacres, the purge of ideological fascists, but the MOST IMPORTANT creation of a common Russian ideology and its implantation throughout Russia with respect for other peoples, they should all be part of the Russian people, be closer to the Russians than to any or another ideology, and above all, a total criticism of Westernism and Hollywood lies is necessary.
1. Vladimir Tuzakov
  
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  11 November 2023 17: 44
  
  Let's start in order, with RI. While Emperor A-3 pursued a policy of Russian centrism and Russification (even the RIA uniforms became “Russian”), Russia did not wage a single war - they were afraid. Under N-2, spineless, with a German wife, the dominance of foreigners increased, non-Russian forces raised their heads, including revolutionaries. And so it is constantly, as soon as Russian forces are not in power, Russia is in decline. Today it is not Russian forces in power, because Russian patriots are called scoundrels, and these are the words of the president. They quite rightly noted: “THE MOST IMPORTANT thing is the creation of a common Russian ideology and its implantation throughout Russia with respect for other peoples.” But who will pursue such a policy are the last children of the “Yeltsin family”, who are entirely of Israeli origin, D. Medvedev, Voloshin, Peskov, Lavrov-Liverman, the Nabiullins, Shoigu, and others - Israelis by mother. Wagnerian patriots appeared, and it ended with the vile murder of the leaders... Essentially, there is a hidden kaganate that is robbing Russia, which is why trillions of dollars go abroad, and the Russian people barely survive. Conclusion: to raise patriotic forces in the elections, to create a Russian state from the hidden kaganate.
  1. Vladimir1155
    
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    12 November 2023 07: 20
    
    I hope I understood correctly that they were afraid of the great Russia of Alexander the Third? you write about foreigners, it’s not a matter of nationality, I don’t know whether those you listed have Jewish roots, what’s important is not that, but the fact that some Russians think worse than the Anglo-Saxons. Nicholas II was betrayed by the whole country, he was arrested by Russian generals, betrayed, who remained with the tsar until the end? several servants. General Doctor Botkin? and that’s it... two of the generals and both non-Russians did not betray him, Keller (with German commanders) and General Huseyn Khan Nakhichevansky refused to swear allegiance to the Provisional Government and unsuccessfully tried to convince Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaevich to also renounce the oath. But he couldn’t...... all the Russian generals betrayed the tsar!.... so the devastation is not in the blood, but in the heads, give me the media and a school and all the peoples of the so-called Ukraine, the Baltic states and Russia will become avid Russian patriots.. ...
    
    American journalist and statesman Walter Lippmann in 1922 in his famous book Public Opinion. Lippman used the concept rather in a negative way, believing that stereotypes push us towards half-truths instead of full understanding.
    
    https://trends.rbc.ru/trends/social/6308b2e59a7947f90dc1bcf8
    
    by the way, Lippman destroyed the USSR without firing a single shot, while the weakling liberal Suslov intrigued and avoided sharp corners and questions .... the main reason for the fall of the USSR was unbelief and atheism (lack of principle), you can do whatever you want with such people, their souls are like plasticine and not see the light, do not distinguish truth from lies, for they live in a lie, and Bandera’s followers are also the fruit of lies and hypocrisy with deception
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov
      
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      12 November 2023 11: 11
      
      The devil is in the details
      
      In particular, M. Suslov, V. Molotov, Gromyko, Yu. Andropov, Litvinov, F. Dzerzhinsky’s father, Trotsky and the majority of the Bolshevik elite are Jewish by origin, like Brezhnev’s wife, Voroshilov, etc. After the collapse of the USSR, Jews basically created the USSR, so after the 1950s they defected to the USA, and those who remained in the USSR were the main destroyers of the USSR economy, working in high positions, which led to the collapse of the USSR. According to N-2, he was a useless ruler, and to boot, he was also a drug addict (he brought this addiction from a trip to Japan and Asia, he smoked opium cigarettes, which were delivered by the Maid of Honor of the Vyrubova Court -, as it later turned out, an agent of England), therefore even the relatives of N- 2 betrayed, another emperor was needed, but the resulting inertia did not allow a change. N-2 abdicated in favor of his brother, Mikhail, but he decided to wait for the restoration that usually followed and confirmation by the All-Russian Constituent Assembly, which the Bolsheviks dispersed. Tsar N-2 did not renounce the throne, he handed it over to his brother Mikhail, and the Bolsheviks usurped power with all the consequences (a year later, Tsar Mikhail, like the abdicated N-2, was killed by the Bolsheviks). Russian history has been distorted by the Bolsheviks. We have the same thing today, if you look closely, the same main active tribesmen... In order to return the strength of Russia, it needs to return history and its Russian rule. (today the culture and history of the Russian Federation is headed by Minister Medinsky, also a Jew).
  2. scolopendra
    
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    21 November 2023 19: 10
    
    Lavrov is a Jew, and Prigozhin is Russian? Thank you, I laughed))
Mikhail Dadeko

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11 November 2023 15: 28

The more we chop off (get our hands on) the territories of Ukraine, the better, but first we need to reach the western borders, and only then carry out a selection of what is needed and what to throw to the neighbors!
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Suvorov

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11 November 2023 15: 34

Of course, we cannot “swallow” or “digest” the entire Outskirts at once. You can choke. And the Ukrainians themselves have “the bit between their teeth” and are “banging their heads against the wall.” Plus Nazi propaganda, plus constant political support from the West in the form of promises to join the EU and NATO as a result of the confrontation with Russia. I'm not even talking about pumping up weapons and money. It may be possible to occupy the entire Outskirts by military means, but it will turn into ruins and the losses on both sides will be enormous.
In my humble opinion, it is necessary to negotiate, but to achieve not only neutral status and denazification, but also regime change, equal status of the Russian language, lifting the ban on opposition political forces, freedom of speech and assembly, punishment of war criminals, “warmongers” and accomplices Nazis. Ultimately, it is necessary to “restart” the political process on Independence Square, to begin real, not fictitious, federalization. This is what the Kremlin actually wanted to achieve by participating in the conclusion of the Minsk agreements, but was unable to implement it due to the openly confrontational position of the West. And then, using various levers and the information component, gradually achieve your goals. The extreme option is the division of Ukraine and the annexation of the southeast to Russia, but peacefully, with the subsequent continuation of our ideological work in the remaining parts of Square.
rotkiv04

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11 November 2023 15: 39

in the Kremlin they will do it anyway because it is beneficial to him, and he absolutely does not care what happens to people, this was proved by the Istanbul agreement, the mere fact that they wanted to surrender Donbass after so many years of struggle and death is enough for everyone to understand who sits in the Kremlin.
sgrabik

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11 November 2023 15: 40

The most optimal solution would be to annex the South-Eastern and Central parts of Ukraine, and its Western part needs to be separated and left to Poland, Hungary and Romania, let them themselves deal with the Banderaites further, we no longer need Galicia for nothing.
1. DO
  
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  11 November 2023 16: 17
  
  sgrabik,
  
  Its western part must be separated and left to Poland, Hungary and Romania
  
  Your proposal means eternal war, sabotage and terrorist attacks by the “western part” against Russian regions. This is how it happens today.
  1. vova100
    
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    11 November 2023 21: 14
    
    No, who will pay off the debts?
    
    Whoever takes the leftovers from the plot of land, let him pay off the debts...
    1. DO
      
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      11 November 2023 22: 33
      
      vova100,
      
      whoever takes the remains of the square will pay off the debts
      
      Why would Russia, which takes Ukraine, be afraid to pay the debts of the overthrown Ukrainian Reich for Western weapons that the Armed Forces of Ukraine used to kill Russian soldiers?
2. strange guest
  
  +5
  
  11 November 2023 17: 01
  
  How easily you give away Russian lands. Lviv was founded by the Russian prince Daniil Galitsky from Rurik and named after his son Lev, cousin of Alexander Nevsky. The habit of trading historically Russian territories among some of our fellow citizens seems to be ineradicable. Thank God - the President is not one of those people.
  1. Vladimir1155
    
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    12 November 2023 07: 26
    
    Quote: Strange guest
    The habit of trading historically Russian territories among some of our fellow citizens seems ineradicable. Thank God - the President is not one of those people.
    
    that's about it! liberals are numerous and they themselves do not understand that they are libeasts, and the Russian liberal school trains liberals at the expense of the Russian budget
Archimedos

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11 November 2023 15: 47

If we’re talking about Western Ukraine, Comrade Stalin has already come up with the recipe. Strict control, resettlement of particularly active elements in places where they can hold strikes and rallies among bears and wolves. Particular emphasis, especially in primary and preschool education, on ideology and proper upbringing. Pioneers (or something like that) collectivism and work, work and again work... social and useful. Because a person busy with work doesn’t have time to think about bullshit. But there is no need to ban the language, this is stupidity. It is not in language that a person’s behavior and thoughts lie, otherwise the Anglo-Saxons must be exterminated as a species.
1. strange guest
  
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  11 November 2023 17: 08
  
  What is the role of language for a nation? If not in the formation of this very nation - accordingly, the behavior, way of thinking, and culture of the nation.
  Language is not only a means of communication, but also the basis for the formation of national identity.
  Your statement about the role of language is generally something new in philology.
  1. Archimedos
    
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    12 November 2023 17: 17
    
    Belgium will not agree with you)))
2. Vladimir1155
  
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  12 November 2023 07: 27
  
  Quote from Archimedes.
  But there is no need to ban the language,
  
  there is no need to ban it, we need to stop using it so that it is forgotten forever
Tikhonov Alexander

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11 November 2023 15: 57

Only the complete destruction of the outskirts and no republic - only the regions that became part of Russia. Like air, we need an organization like SMERSH. The fate of terrorists, spies and other accomplices should be decided in a simplified manner and the death penalty should be introduced. Of course, a lot of work will have to be done to identify and punish Russophobic authors in printed materials, video and television materials - that is, to thoroughly clean up the Bandera outskirts. And carefully monitor the activities of relatives and friends of identified Bandera supporters.
Victor Pater

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11 November 2023 16: 29

True, the question arises: what to do, for example, with Western Ukraine, which even under the USSR with its state ideology, powerful economy and bureaucratic apparatus could not really be changed?

They couldn’t change it completely, because in the end they DID NOT WANT. By the mid-50s, the OUN underground was basically defeated, all that remained was to complete the defeat. But Khrushchev came to power, who stopped all this, and then released the captured Banderaites. Historian E. Spitsyn cites the following fact: among those released was one of their leaders, Vasil Kuk, who was immediately appointed director of the institute in Kyiv (!!!!); Moreover, often many leading members of the Communist Party of Ukraine went to him for advice on what policy to pursue in this and that issue...
sannyhome

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11 November 2023 17: 04

The question arises: what to do, for example, with Western Ukraine

Central and Eastern Siberia will cure anyone from Nazism and nationalism...
1. sgrabik
  
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  13 November 2023 10: 17
  
  We don’t need all this Bandera scum in Siberia, it’s better to throw them all to the wall and expend, it won’t be a great loss, or at least send them to the Arctic Circle, to special forces. camps and re-educate them there.
rotkiv04

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11 November 2023 18: 55

... If Russia were reading it now, it would go crazy. It was absolutely disadvantageous for Russia. But Russia agreed...

It wasn’t Russia that agreed, it was Putin who got carried away and agreed, but it’s good that the Kiev ghoul is a complete idiot and threw all these pieces of paper into the trash
Sergey Latyshev

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11 November 2023 21: 54

In general, regardless of the heap of explanation articles, everything fits into the joke about the bear -

drag him here - he won't let me in

only in an imperialist way.
There are many examples of how empires acted. England was biting off Asia and America one piece at a time. Russia - the Caucasus, Central Asia, Siberia. France - Africa. Piece by piece, time after time. And there are no “neutral statuses” there. “Neutral countries between” or some other idealism. all these small khanates, emirs, Poles, Rajipurs and Negrus were eaten up by large countries.
and everyone understands it.
borisvt

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12 November 2023 01: 51

Fundamentally supporting the author’s point of view, I agree with some fellow commentators, including DO (Dmitry) and Sergei Latyshev, that the ideology of the future of Ukraine - and it is from it that the main mood of society will be built - will be determined not by the past, but by the future.
The future will be determined primarily by those who will take control of the fallow territory. Leave it to the Poles - not give it back, since they haven’t conquered it yet - but leave it? - Well, we’ll get the Polish gentry 2.0. Let us leave it under the arrogant Saxons, fencing ourselves off along the Dnieper, shall we? - there will be 404 2.0, which is what Marzhetsky is talking about
Force us to give up and live, albeit hissing with anger, according to our rules? - these are the chances of their neutrality, at least if something happens, even with partisanship, which, rest assured, we will stop))
guest

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12 November 2023 02: 22

To simplify things completely, Ukraine conditionally consists of three different pieces, the fate of which must be different if we want to really secure our country. Whether someone likes it or not, Independence will ultimately simply have to be dismantled into the South-Eastern, Central and Western, and decided on each separately. Otherwise, nothing will end at all, and the war can last a very, very long time, with interruptions for preparation, for decades. Who doesn’t believe it, look at the history of the Indo-Pakistani conflict. We have something similar in the future, but only at maximum speed.

Here the author proposes the only correct solution to the conflict, something similar was proposed some time ago by Tretyakov in Solovyov’s studio, but unfortunately, such proposals are simply ignored at the top.
Platon Verdictov

+3

12 November 2023 03: 30

We like to remember how the wise Prince Vladimir chose Constantinople rather than Rome, which was then in decline. Today's local Vladimirs around the world also choose and, quite naturally, not us. A real army is the majority of the population, living better than in the surrounding world, and a currency recognized in the world. Without this, all the victories of a conventional army will be achieved against the wind and will cause irritation instead of admiration. But our redneck compradors really don’t want to share.
1. Vladimir1155
  
  +5
  
  12 November 2023 07: 40
  
  you are mistaken and think too well of people, you yourself are in captivity of the Hollywood lies of the “dream factory” about some “happy” west, only the climate is good there, but life is no better than in the Russian Federation, people don’t know how to think (school taught us that), so they act not in their own interests, but in the interests of those who manipulate them through the media... why did the inhabitants of the USSR destroy the USSR? Why do people smoke, drink vodka and take drugs? why do people kill their children? Why did Bandera’s people jump on the Maidan, and now they are running under bullets and shells, although half a million of them have already died? Why did the Germans turn off their gas? Why does Europe give weapons and money to Ukraine? Why did the Americans transfer all their industry to China? in general, "a blind people deceived by liars" "a stupid, senseless crowd"
  1. Platon Verdictov
    
    +1
    
    13 November 2023 11: 39
    
    While our uncontested strategists spent a quarter of a century proving their bourgeoisness by surrendering national interests, almost the entire world, at a low start, lined up for pieces of the division of the remaining part of Russia after 91. The image of our state under the current guarantor is such that many really hope for this and for this reason they are ready to endure a little more expensive gas.
Potapov

+1

12 November 2023 09: 42

This is obvious to you and me...But someone took a record amount of money over the hill...

Capital outflow from Russia from July to September 2023 doubled - $18 billion. In the second quarter, $9 billion was taken out of the country. It is for this reason that the ruble began to weaken, Izvestia reported.

Money must work - we are waiting for new treacherous agreements with the fascists...
Vasya 225

+4

12 November 2023 10: 58

Now there’s no need to pretend to be mugs, Merkel the cat deceived. Since 2014, they have been trying to push Donbass back into UA, to get rid of it. That's how we lost. And when they realized that nothing was working out, they thought to grab a chance to replay the game in the SVO, but that didn’t work out either. Istanbul didn’t work out either, the USA took it hard. And then there were no options.
1. scolopendra
  
  0
  
  21 November 2023 19: 15
  
  This is part of Putin’s multi-step strategy. And his "OB-MA-NU-LI!" just to divert attention.
prior

+2

12 November 2023 11: 27

If we are going to divide Ukraine, then we need to divide it once and for all, so that even after 100 years there will be no desire to redo it.
It is obvious to me that the Poles need to be given Polish, the Hungarians Hungarian, and the Romanians Romanian.
But not just like that, but with the holding of referendums under the auspices of the UN. If Transcarpathia decides to go to Hungary, that means to Hungary. If Lvov decides to go to Poland, it means to Poland. For those who do not agree to go to Poland, there is a place both on the territory of the former Ukraine and in Russia. An international document approving this transfer should appear. The return of part of the Ukrainian lands to Poland should be accompanied by the transfer of part of the Polish lands to Belarus, namely the Suwalki corridor for unhindered access to the Kaliningrad region.
Poland will not be happy with such an exchange - “to hell with the New Year.”
Together with Western Ukraine, all Bandera-minded residents of the former Ukraine can flock to Poland.
The entry of former Ukrainian territories into Russia only in the form of administrative regions. No more republics. The official language is Russian only. And the restriction of political rights in the annexed territories until they become Russified.
All that remains is to liberate the entire territory of Ukraine.
Otherwise, “Bandera oncology” will again give its deadly metastases.
1. sgrabik
  
  +3
  
  12 November 2023 12: 21
  
  I absolutely agree, even if we decide to annex all of Ukraine, without exception, together with Galicia, then we will have to completely destroy all Banderaites in the most literal sense of the word, physically destroy them, because they will not understand otherwise and will never change, their brains are incurably poisoned by Bandera’s Nazi Russophobic ideology.
  1. Alladin
    
    +1
    
    12 November 2023 16: 01
    
    Are their children also against the wall? Now you can’t prove to them that a good person killed their folder.
    1. Elena123
      
      +1
      
      13 November 2023 09: 46
      
      There are other solutions for children. Deep psychological maneuvers.
      How their brains were processed for 30 years.
    2. sgrabik
      
      +1
      
      13 November 2023 10: 31
      
      With proper work with these children, it is still possible to save them and completely change their worldview, unlike their parents - stubborn Bandera Nazis.
  2. Nikolay Volkov
    
    +2
    
    15 November 2023 06: 27
    
    On the one hand, you are right, and on the other hand, you are naive... do you really think that Bandera’s supporters will sit and wait until they are completely destroyed? Don’t you know that there are such wonderful “respected partners” as Canada and the USA, who will happily accept all this rabble of the human race (as an example, the recent performance of the Nazi Gunka in Canada) ... as soon as the Russian Army crosses the Dnieper (not to mention already about the approach to Cherkassy or Vinnitsa) all these “figures” will already be safe in Warsaw...
    
    Russia must offer the population of Ukraine an attractive image of the future (and this is not the construction of churches within walking distance and medals for Adams)... and with this capitalist Russia has huge problems... here its own youth are scattering, and not just Ukrainian... and especially progress there is nothing visible in this question, except for the endless noodles about jerks and breakthroughs...
    1. scolopendra
      
      0
      
      21 November 2023 19: 17
      
      Be careful about medals for the best Russian.
2. Nikolay Volkov
  
  0
  
  15 November 2023 06: 37
  
  Hungarian, Romanian, Polish... and Polish is, apparently, Lemberg (as one iPhone lover recently called it)... well, this very Lemberg was founded by the ancient Russian prince Daniil... or doesn’t Medinsky’s textbook say this?
  
  Hungary lost part of its territory (populated also by Rusyns, by the way) as a result of DEFEAT in WWII...
  
  Thus, you just proposed to reconsider the results of the Second World War... in this case, you should be ready to return German to the Germans, and Japanese to the Japanese... and then Finnish to the Finns, Chinese to the Chinese, Kazakh to the Kazakhs, etc. yes...and they will provide a basis for this, rest assured...not a single one from Medina knows how to write fairy tales...
  
  sometimes it’s useful to think with your head, and not just hit the keys with your tongue...
  
  in addition, history does not stand still... and all these fairy tales about 100 years in the future are an ABSOLUTE misunderstanding that the historical process does not stand still and is in constant dynamic development... just remember that there are still 40-50 years ago what China was like and what now...what kind of treaties for 100 years in the future can we seriously talk about???
boriz

-1

12 November 2023 12: 49

Otherwise, nothing will end at all, and the war can last a very, very long time, with interruptions for preparation, for decades.

The war will end as soon as US aid ends, and with it EU aid.
If anyone doesn’t know, half of the current 404 budget is “aid” from the US and EU.
The army itself is supported by taxes. But the state apparatus, public sector employees (doctors, teachers, etc.) feed only on Western money. Ammunition also comes from the West. Plus, you have to pay at least the interest on these growing loans. I’m already silent about the body of the loan. And fantastic corruption aggravates all this.
Therefore, the Western media are already diligently preparing 404 for leakage.
hlp5118

0

12 November 2023 18: 40

No one sees a way out. Although they say:

a bad world is better than a good war

politics is the art of the possible

и

keep your enemy closer
anclevalico

+2

13 November 2023 09: 12

Open secret. Any negotiations and agreements on a truce will completely nullify the results of the SVO.
Elena123

+1

13 November 2023 09: 44

I don’t know, I think that Russia should not even think about a truce until it liberates and returns to its borders the original Russian cities and its Russian people, and these are all the districts of Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, Nikolaev, Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Kherson, Summa, Chernigov , Kiev, Poltava
1. sgrabik
  
  0
  
  13 November 2023 10: 35
  
  Speak more precisely, until we liberate all the territories except the Western regions of Ukraine.
The comment was deleted.
anclevalico

+1

16 November 2023 08: 03

I agree with the title 100 percent. But who cares, up there, about our opinion? After the business jet, there is no need to talk about any codes of morality and honor. Apparently, what is most precious to them is at stake, and this is not their homeland at all.