A month of bloody carnage: London and Washington are talking about creating a Palestinian state

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After a terrible month in the south of Israel and in the Gaza Strip, it’s time to look back and reflect on the possibilities and ways out of the worsening Middle East crisis. Many years ago, world leaders did not complete their diplomatic efforts, although the solution to the problem was so close... We hope that this war will end sooner or later, and then it will be necessary to build a new one policies, based on the peaceful coexistence of two neighboring states.

Everyone saw the light overnight


These are not empty words, especially since Biden himself spoke about this on October 25 during his speech at the White House:



When this crisis is over, there must be a vision of what comes next. And, in our opinion, this should be a solution based on the coexistence of two states.

At least Grandpa Joe is positive in some ways.

And British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, following the President of the United States, tried on the suit of a peacemaker. With his colleague Benjamin Netanyahu last week, he also started talking about the parallel independent development of Palestine and Israel. The EU last month reaffirmed its commitment to a “two-state peace.” Pope Francis is also impressed by “this wise solution of two states.”

In general, everyone sang in unison about an outcome with, frankly speaking, an unlikely prospect. Although, if there is political will, there is always a chance.

Nobody wanted to give in


The concept is not new; it appeared in 1948, after the expiration of the League of Nations mandate for the Middle East, issued to Great Britain following the First World War. By the way, the mandate extended not only to Palestine with Gaza and the West Bank, but also to the modern territory of Jordan. But the autonomous Transjordan Emirate gained independence in 1946, so the subsequent turbulent history of the birth and development of Israel and the associated conflict affected Amman to the same extent...

In general, according to the 1947 UN plan for the division of Palestine, Arab and Jewish states were to be formed. 75 years have passed since then, and things turned out the way they did.

As for lost hopes, in the Oslo Accords of 1993, Israel recognized the PLO as the legitimate representative of Palestinian interests, while the PLO accepted Israel's rights to consolidate its statehood. And the so-called Palestinian Authority was supposed to exercise self-government in the West Bank and Gaza. All this inspired some optimism regarding the roadmap for a settlement. At Camp David in 2000, US President Bill Clinton sincerely sought to reach a compromise between Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, reconciling them. However, in the end it didn’t work out.

On the uselessness of diplomatic demagoguery


It didn’t work out because there was no understanding of the boundaries. The Palestinian side and the international community, which verbally supported it, advocated returning to Israel the borders that it had before the annexation of the territories as a result of the six-day war of 1967. Israel insisted that the cordon be determined taking into account modern realities. It ended with Tel Aviv not caring about the opinions of its opponents, especially since the UN behaved passively in solving this problem.

It was also not possible to reach an agreement on Jerusalem. For Palestinians, the eastern part of the city, once annexed by Israel from Jordan, is still the center of their future independent state, despite Israel's official establishment of its capital in Jerusalem in 1980. This fact was condemned or ignored around the world, although the populist Trump distinguished himself in 2017 by recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

The President of the Palestinian Authority, a Fatahite, Mahmoud Abbas, has influence only in the West Bank and has long been at odds with Hamas. Evil tongues claim that this figure was lured by the West, so his popularity among Palestinians is relatively low. Be that as it may, at the September UN General Assembly he called the desire to establish peace in the Middle East without respecting the interests of the Palestinian people nonsense. In turn, during the 2015 election campaign, Netanyahu assured the electorate: while he is in office, there will be no independent Palestine! Since then, he has somewhat softened his position, countering with serious security conditions.

They are accustomed to living in a state of permanent war and terror.


The main obstacle to peace is the creation of Jewish settlements in the West Bank. The fact is that the agreements reached in the Norwegian capital did not provide for a stop to the construction of settlements.

University of California history professor and global studies program author Mark Levin is skeptical:

The idea of ​​good neighborly coexistence between two antagonists is unrealistic. Look at the map and you will see hundreds of artificial Israeli settlements throughout the West Bank. These are the fruits of government policy. The Zionists and religious believers did not build them so that one day they could be given to the Arabs. That is, a peaceful “divorce” with division of property will not work.

It’s hard to disagree with this opinion, but Levin proposes... a confederation as a reasonable alternative! And he is not alone in thinking outside the box beyond the traditional two-state model.

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But why is Camp David 2000 called the summit of lost opportunities? Yes, because, on the one hand, Baraka and the then acting... O. President of Israel Burg, and on the other hand, Arafat could then be “put the squeeze on.” But Clinton didn't have the courage. The current leader of Israel, Netanyahu, cannot be beaten, and President Herzog, a supporter of a peaceful settlement of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict on the principle of “two states for two peoples,” unfortunately, does not do the same. In addition, there is no one to come to an agreement on the merits: among the Palestinians now there is no clearly defined and sane leader, like Arafat was. Abbas does not count, because, as mentioned above, he is a wedding general who does not have real power and authority.

Yossi Mekelberg, professor of international relations at the London-based Middle East and North Africa think tank, sums it up:

There is still no leadership on either side that believes in peace.
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  1. 0
    9 November 2023 08: 48
    Terrorists have no homeland. This must not be allowed. We got burned by this once in Syria.
    Terrorists must be destroyed.
    1. RUR
      +2
      9 November 2023 10: 56
      Who are you talking about, what terrorists?
    2. +1
      9 November 2023 20: 58
      Down with the terrorists. They are preventing the establishment of a world that they do not need.
      The world needs peace!
  2. 0
    9 November 2023 10: 57
    All those countries that are directly or indirectly involved in this conflict may win militarily, but will lose ideologically and spiritually. Only a secular solution to this problem will give a chance to solve the problem.
  3. +1
    9 November 2023 11: 43
    Everything is very simple! Why is Israel greyhound? Because the United States with all its military and economic power is on his side! As soon as the United States says that the United States will be on the side of Israel, ONLY after the creation of the state of Palestine, according to the UN Security Council resolution, the Jews, like in a fairy tale, will immediately become silky and agree to the creation of a Palestinian state! And the Palestinians themselves will figure out who their leader will be, don’t think that they are dumber than other peoples.
  4. -2
    9 November 2023 12: 02
    Interesting! The creation of a Palestinian state is proposed, which... does not recognize Israel's right to exist. Cool solution to the problem. If the Arabs had agreed to the existence of 2 states, they would have existed a long time ago. Why was the Arab state not created until 67? Did someone interfere?
    1. RUR
      +1
      9 November 2023 12: 17
      He admits that Rabin and the Palestinians agreed then, but you yourself physically eliminated Rabin
    2. +1
      9 November 2023 20: 19
      Alexzn, they propose to resolve the problem that the Zionists did not solve in their time. It is quite natural that the Zionists should be removed as incapable of doing this.
      Zionism has shown its failure, that's all. laughing
  5. +1
    9 November 2023 12: 33
    Nothing. Their job is to blah blah blah blah blah.
    But in reality, it seems that Israel has already divided Gaza into several zones and begun cleansing.
    1. 0
      9 November 2023 20: 38
      Sergey Latyshev in real life, the word “sort of” means that you are not sure of reality. laughing
      Blah blah blah?
  6. 0
    9 November 2023 17: 56
    Quote: RUR
    He admits that Rabin and the Palestinians agreed then, but you yourself physically eliminated Rabin

    1. Why was the Palestinian state not created before 1967?
    2. After the assassination of Rabin, Israel abandoned the process of creating 2 states? Did the Israelis start blowing up buses every week to disrupt the process?
    1. RUR
      0
      9 November 2023 18: 13
      Israel recognized the PLO as the legitimate representative of Palestinian interests, while the PLO accepted Israel's rights to consolidate its statehood.

      Yes, read the article before you write... although Rabin is not mentioned at all
  7. 0
    9 November 2023 20: 32
    Quote: RUR
    Israel recognized the PLO as the legitimate representative of Palestinian interests, while the PLO accepted Israel's rights to consolidate its statehood.

    Yes, read the article before you write... although Rabin is not mentioned at all

    You wrote about Rabin.
    The PLO has not ruled the PA for 17 years; Hamas, which does not recognize Israel, won the elections in Gaza; Hamas did not overthrow Mazen only because of its support for Israel.
    You don't even have a general idea of ​​what's going on.
  8. 0
    9 November 2023 20: 35
    Quote: isofat
    Alexzn, they propose to resolve the problem that the Zionists did not solve in their time. It is quite natural that the Zionists should be removed as being unable or unwilling to do this.
    Zionism has shown its failure, that's all. laughing

    Calling Israel a failed project is bold!
    1. +1
      9 November 2023 21: 19
      Alexzn, the war does not end from the day it was founded. laughing
    2. RUR
      0
      10 November 2023 11: 07
      What kind of successful project can we talk about? Israel is a divided country, and even its society, we do not take into account the Israeli Arabs... let's assume that the confrontation ends... Israel will be significantly destroyed, foreign exchange reserves will be significantly depleted, old, probably even more intensified contradictions will revive, which, as they say, they can escalate into a civil war., and if it can be avoided, then long-term instability is ensured anyway - that is, if Israel survives, and if there is also a civil war, then Israel may not survive... Then - to Jewess ( JAO), Putin has already given the order to carry out gas... and the Eurasian Dugin, like, a Eurasian, like, luminary, under this case, like, an expert, sums up the theory that Muslims, Jews and Orthodox Christians can only live in peace in Russia and only in love... and it can’t even be otherwise..
  9. 0
    10 November 2023 10: 12
    Quote: isofat
    Alexzn, the war does not end from the day it was founded. laughing

    And it was not Israel that started it...
    1. 0
      10 November 2023 15: 15
      ...and the builders of Israel, who did not wait for the consent of the indigenous inhabitants and began to build. laughing
  10. 0
    10 November 2023 12: 40
    Quote: RUR
    What kind of successful project can we talk about? Israel is a divided country, and even its society, we do not take into account the Israeli Arabs... let's assume that the confrontation ends... Israel will be significantly destroyed, foreign exchange reserves will be significantly depleted, old, probably even more intensified contradictions will revive, which, as they say, they can escalate into a civil war., and if it can be avoided, then long-term instability is ensured anyway - that is, if Israel survives, and if there is also a civil war, then Israel may not survive... Then - to Jewess ( JAO), Putin has already given the order to carry out gas... and the Eurasian Dugin, like, a Eurasian, like, luminary, under this case, like, an expert, sums up the theory that Muslims, Jews and Orthodox Christians can only live in peace in Russia and only in love... and it can’t even be otherwise..

    Stupidity on stupidity!
    Israeli Arabs live quite well, making up 20% of the population. They have adequate representation in parliament and a standard of living higher than in any non-oil Arab country. Its own education system, no problems with religion and language.
    Why and by whom will Israel be significantly destroyed? Where will the foreign exchange reserves go (comparable to Russian ones with a population 15 times smaller)? Where will the GDP go, which is higher per capita than in Japan?
    What civil war, what insoluble contradictions? Have you read the yellow press?
    A normal person can generally remember the dropout of Dugin and the Jewish Autonomous Region (where the Israelis cannot even dream of in a nuclear dream).
    The impression is that you have never been further than your village! There is no visa between us, come and take a look so as not to write nonsense.
    1. RUR
      -1
      10 November 2023 14: 37
      Why and by whom will Israel be significantly destroyed? Where will the foreign exchange reserves go (comparable to Russian ones with a population 15 times smaller)? Where will the GDP go, which is higher per capita than in Japan?

      The USA is a bankrupt country, there will be no generous assistance as before... Israel is in a state of long-term conflict - YOUR GDP, in many ways - Western large firms that will flee the country because they do not like instability... and many local ones too . EU sanctions are possible.. Iran, Turkey, S. Arabia, etc. have become closer - they have already agreed that S. Arabia will invest in Iran, Turkey recently officially received the government delegation of Iran - previously only unofficially - the Muslim anaconda's noose will tighten on its thin neck and fragile body. ..even if it doesn’t lead to a major war in the region... $50 billion is the estimate of the war costs of one Israeli bank, but the estimate is very optimistic, since the Elders of Zion of this bank did not take into account the rapprochement of Muslim countries, their likely sanctions and the EU too ...so you will go to fight with China in the Jewish Autonomous Region, if anything - this is your successful project...
  11. 0
    10 November 2023 12: 46
    Quote: AlexZN
    Israel is a divided country

    In two days, Israel mobilized 350 kilos of bayonets; for the first week, planes to Israel were filled with reservists (even those who had not received orders). May I remind you of the situation in the undivided Russian Federation?
    Learn not only to write wishlists, but also to follow the facts.
    1. 0
      10 November 2023 15: 45
      50 kilos of bayonets, even in pieces, is nothing. We need people.
      Will you finally give Makarevich a gun, maybe without a bayonet? laughing
  12. 0
    10 November 2023 14: 57
    Quote: RUR
    Why and by whom will Israel be significantly destroyed? Where will the foreign exchange reserves go (comparable to Russian ones with a population 15 times smaller)? Where will the GDP go, which is higher per capita than in Japan?

    The USA is a bankrupt country, there will be no generous assistance as before... Israel is in a state of long-term conflict - YOUR GDP, in many ways - Western large firms that will flee the country because they do not like instability... and many local ones too . EU sanctions are possible.. Iran, Turkey, S. Arabia, etc. have become closer - they have already agreed that S. Arabia will invest in Iran, Turkey recently officially received the government delegation of Iran - previously only unofficially - the Muslim anaconda's noose will tighten on its thin neck and fragile body. ..even if it doesn’t lead to a major war in the region... $50 billion is the estimate of the war costs of one Israeli bank, but the estimate is very optimistic, since the Elders of Zion of this bank did not take into account the rapprochement of Muslim countries, their likely sanctions and the EU too ...so you will go to fight with China in the Jewish Autonomous Region, if anything - this is your successful project...

    As usual, stupidity upon stupidity...
    Is the USA a bankrupt country? How much does a candy wrapper cost in rubles?
    They also forgot about the friendship between the Russian Federation and Turkey!
    50 billion is nonsense (an order of magnitude less!), but Israel can handle that amount.
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    2. 0
      10 November 2023 15: 28
      Zakharova called the United States a bankrupt country in connection with the forecast for the growth of public debt to 181% of GDP

      One more nonsense for you, for the heap. laughing

      This is how she commented on the Congressional Budget Office’s statement that by 2053, the United States’ national debt to borrowers will reach 181% of GDP.
    3. RUR
      -1
      10 November 2023 15: 31
      produce baby talk intensively - count their debt. and 50 billion is if the war lasts a year... and the claims are not against me - Israeli data, without taking into account many unfavorable circumstances...
  13. 0
    10 November 2023 15: 38
    Quote: isofat
    Zakharova called the United States a bankrupt country in connection with the forecast for the growth of public debt to 181% of GDP

    One more nonsense for you, for the heap. laughing

    Well, if Zakharova said...
    All that remains is to varnish it with Konashenkov!
    What is Switzerland's percentage there? Japan? England? Singapore? Netherlands?
    To understand the concept of public debt, knowledge not at the vocational school level is required.
    1. 0
      10 November 2023 15: 49
      Alexzn, apparently, I am not smart enough to understand the greatness of the United States. And the friends who live there are also stupid. And in Israel they look at me sideways. Very smart. laughing
    2. RUR
      -1
      10 November 2023 15: 50
      No, you don’t shine here with your kibbutz scholarship... - this is about the village, many American economists talk about bankruptcy... they want to raise the retirement age and cut social benefits - but you imagine wealth and generous help... it’s in vain to think that if you sucked to the USA, it will always be like this
  14. 0
    10 November 2023 15: 55
    Quote: RUR
    produce baby talk intensively - count their debt. and 50 billion is if the war lasts a year... and the claims are not against me - Israeli data, without taking into account many unfavorable circumstances...

    Vocational school in action?
    50 billion - if the year continues? At what intensity? And why a year and not 20 years and, accordingly, a trillion dollars? And what if aliens also enter the war on the side of the gas workers!
    About their debt - Switzerland's percentage is much higher than that of the Americans. Poor fellows! Singapore is so super bankrupt! There is nothing to say about Japan!
    You shouldn’t get involved in evaluating things you have no idea about. It’s better to talk about the hadron collider or aortic bypass surgery.
    1. RUR
      0
      10 November 2023 16: 05
      You don’t understand - there are different debts, for example, internal and external... and you’re lumping it all together... once again, for the especially gifted: $50 - Israeli data... I can only say that it’s underestimated, in my opinion , since war is an unpredictable thing, and they, from this bank, have only 2-3 assumptions: the war is 1 (one) year and no one interferes in the conflict... I think that this is just a rough estimate, a rough estimate and nothing more
  15. 0
    10 November 2023 16: 14
    Quote: RUR
    You don’t understand - there are different debts, for example, internal and external... and you’re lumping it all together... once again, for the especially gifted: $50 - Israeli data... I can only say that it’s underestimated, in my opinion , since war is an unpredictable thing, and they, from this bank, have only 2-3 assumptions: the war is 1 (one) year and no one interferes in the conflict... I think that this is just a rough estimate, a rough estimate and nothing more

    Of course I don't understand! I taught macroeconomics at the university for 11 years...
    Israeli source - how is it? Did Itzik from Kiryat say asshole?
    1. RUR
      0
      10 November 2023 16: 26
      Once again: the bank is Israeli, if I find the page (in English), I’ll give you a link, I wasn’t particularly interested and didn’t think it would come to a dispute, but you can probably find it yourself, perhaps in Hebrew... What if about the Jews in the Jewish Autonomous Region, I think that all these ideas with gas, invitations to come to the region, Dugin’s theorizing, etc., have other signs... Dunin, by the way, has influence on the authorities - that’s what they say... the idea, of course, exotic...
  16. 0
    10 November 2023 16: 33
    Quote: RUR
    Once again: the bank is Israeli, if I find the page (in English), I’ll give you a link, I wasn’t particularly interested and didn’t think it would come to a dispute, but you can probably find it yourself, perhaps in Hebrew... What if about the Jews in the Jewish Autonomous Region, I think that all these ideas with gas, invitations to come to the region, Dugin’s theorizing, etc., have other signs... Dunin, by the way, has influence on the authorities - that’s what they say... the idea, of course, exotic...

    I remember this Dugin from my youth - a tongue-tied, stupid city fool. He has zero influence on the authorities; he is treated like a convenient fool in the public sphere.
  17. 0
    10 November 2023 16: 36
    Quote: isofat
    Alexzn, apparently, I am not smart enough to understand the greatness of the United States. And the friends who live there are also stupid. And in Israel they look at me sideways. Very smart. laughing

    Apparently.
    1. 0
      10 November 2023 17: 14
      ...or US greatness is over.
      I believe what the people of the United States tell me about their country. laughing
  18. 0
    10 November 2023 16: 50
    Quote: RUR
    No, you don’t shine here with your kibbutz scholarship... - this is about the village, many American economists talk about bankruptcy... they want to raise the retirement age and cut social benefits - but you imagine wealth and generous help... it’s in vain to think that if you sucked to the USA, it will always be like this

    They made me laugh about retirement age! They don't speak in Russia!
    To understand the problem - in Israel they are TALKING about increasing the retirement age for men to 70...
    They live until they are 82, and retire at 67. How is it going for those who are not bankrupt? What percentage of Russian men live to retire at 65? 57%! Average duration - 67... On average 2 (!!!) years in retirement.
    1. RUR
      0
      10 November 2023 17: 06
      I remember this Dugin from my youth - a tongue-tied, stupid city fool. He has zero influence on power

      Then the Eurasian invents his stupid theories under the power...

      But you claim that the USA is rich and generally SUPER... there are such attempts and conversations there. it hasn’t been for a long time, and this is already a sign of trouble, you think that this pension money will now so easily end up in Israel...

      Sorry, it was not a bank but the Ministry of Finance
      https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/initial-cost-of-gaza-war-for-israel-amounts-to-51b-report/3044401

      The Finance Ministry's initial estimate of the cost of the war on the state treasury is “based on the fact that the situation will not extend for more than a year, no additional arenas will be developed, and reserve soldiers will return to work soon,” Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth reported.

      By the way, Pushkin’s continuation about hope is this: “they give joy to the elders”
  19. 0
    10 November 2023 16: 55
    Quote: isofat
    50 kilos of bayonets, even in pieces, is nothing. We need people.
    Will you finally give Makarevich a gun, maybe without a bayonet? laughing

    Is this humor? Be warned.
    350 soldiers who served for 000 (!) years and underwent annual training.
    Men under 50 years of age were called up, with mob. The reserve was only half used.
    1. +1
      10 November 2023 17: 26
      Alexzn, there was humor when it all started. I talked to some, it was funny. laughing
  20. -2
    10 November 2023 17: 17
    Quote: RUR
    I remember this Dugin from my youth - a tongue-tied, stupid city fool. He has zero influence on power

    Then the Eurasian invents his stupid theories under the power...

    But you claim that the USA is rich and generally SUPER... there are such attempts and conversations there. it hasn’t been for a long time, and this is already a sign of trouble, you think that this pension money will now so easily end up in Israel...

    Sorry, it was not a bank but the Ministry of Finance
    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/initial-cost-of-gaza-war-for-israel-amounts-to-51b-report/3044401

    The Finance Ministry's initial estimate of the cost of the war on the state treasury is “based on the fact that the situation will not extend for more than a year, no additional arenas will be developed, and reserve soldiers will return to work soon,” Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth reported.

    By the way, Pushkin’s continuation about hope is this: “they give joy to the elders”

    This is not a bank or the Ministry of Finance! This is a free distortion of Israeli sources by Turkish ones.
    1. RUR
      +1
      10 November 2023 17: 18
      proof of?
  21. 0
    10 November 2023 17: 43
    Quote: RUR
    proof of?

    This does not need to be proven, it needs to be explained.
    The primary source is about the financial burden on the budget if the war continues (first of all, we are talking about maintaining the number of reservists in the draft). These are compensations for workers, businesses, losses from downtime, etc. This burden is covered by increasing the state budget deficit to 5-7%, which is good, but not at all critical. Israel has a completely balanced economy and we can pay for such a war without going into debt. There are direct costs of war and costs during war (these are different things). There are no free wars; it is an expensive pleasure.
    They may cheerfully tell you how a tulip or acacia does not save shots, forgetting to explain that 3-5 such shots are a brand new fret flying into the barrel.
    1. RUR
      +1
      10 November 2023 18: 01
      unconvincing... especially if you don’t take into account the cheerful:

      “They [Israel] are testing our patience with their illusions about a promised land, which includes the territories of our country, as well as threats to use nuclear weapons,” Erdogan said during a speech in Ankara, which was broadcast on local television channels. Erdogan also noted that the Israeli side "will be held accountable and will be condemned in the face of all humanity."

      expectations should be based on the worst case scenario
  22. 0
    10 November 2023 18: 15
    Quote: RUR
    unconvincing... especially if you don’t take into account the cheerful:

    “They [Israel] are testing our patience with their illusions about a promised land, which includes the territories of our country, as well as threats to use nuclear weapons,” Erdogan said during a speech in Ankara, which was broadcast on local television channels. Erdogan also noted that the Israeli side "will be held accountable and will be condemned in the face of all humanity."

    expectations should be based on the worst case scenario

    Erdogan has been saying this regularly for the last 20 years, but this has not stopped us from doubling trade turnover and hundreds of thousands of Israelis from vacationing in Turkey. Sinful, I was planning to go to Istanbul for a week on October 9th. He plays the Palestinian card, we play the Kurdish card and work together in Azerbaijan.
    Don't be fooled by the chatter in the press, they make up the news themselves and inflate it. On this site, 70% of the news is far-fetched. We will somehow resolve things with Turkey. The Russian Federation is somehow sorting things out. Or recall what Erdagan said about Russia and what they said about Turkey...
    1. RUR
      -3
      10 November 2023 19: 27
      doubling trade turnover, and hundreds of thousands of Israelis vacationing in Turkey is yesterday, Erdogan has already imposed sanctions... which, by the way, your Ministry of Finance did not take into account in the forecast... and you, of course, are still trying to look cheerful...

      Do you think newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth is Turkish?
  23. +1
    11 November 2023 09: 33
    Quote: RUR
    doubling trade turnover, and hundreds of thousands of Israelis vacationing in Turkey is yesterday, Erdogan has already imposed sanctions... which, by the way, your Ministry of Finance did not take into account in the forecast... and you, of course, are still trying to look cheerful...

    Do you think newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth is Turkish?

    Sanctions? Which ones? Planes fly, tickets are sold, there is a large selection from 360 to 400 dollars. This is despite the fact that European companies practically do not fly. Türkiye is perhaps more interested in us than we are in them.
    They are very interested in our gas through their hubs, and in solving the delimitation of the Cyprus shelf...
    Do you only read the headlines and then throw in your superficial reaction to the ridiculous headlines?
    Have you read Ahronot or what the Turkish newspaper wrote referring to? The Beatles were a mediocre group, my neighbor sang a couple of songs to me...
    1. RUR
      0
      11 November 2023 11: 30
      Turkish Trade Minister Omer Bolat said that since October 7, Turkey has reduced trade turnover with Israel by more than 50%.

      - what's this? these, of course, are not entirely full-fledged sanctions... Israel also introduced secret ones against Turkey - your Ministry of Finance did not take all this into account... this is all just the beginning if the conflict continues in this spirit
  24. 0
    11 November 2023 12: 49
    Quote: RUR
    Turkish Trade Minister Omer Bolat said that since October 7, Turkey has reduced trade turnover with Israel by more than 50%.

    - what's this? these, of course, are not entirely full-fledged sanctions... Israel also introduced secret ones against Turkey - your Ministry of Finance did not take all this into account... this is all just the beginning if the conflict continues in this spirit

    Today it has decreased, tomorrow it has increased. Nobody evaluates processes based on short-term events. By the end of the year, the same minister will report on overall trade growth without mentioning the country. Populism is ordinary.
    And yet, how do you know what was taken into account and what was not taken into account in the forecasts of the Israeli Ministry of Finance?
    1. RUR
      +1
      11 November 2023 13: 31
      There is only what the Jewish newspaper wrote, and 3 (three) assumptions were given under which the analysis was carried out... only three... nothing about sanctions... nothing about the fact that, as they say, Turkish soldiers, possibly volunteers, already as part of Hamas they are fighting in Gaza... analysis on the assumption that the world will sit and watch without reacting to the genocide, and this is how they now define it - Macron called on Israel to “stop killing children, women and old people”... analysis by the Ministry of Finance very . superficial and optimistic, just like your reasoning

      PS Biden said that aid to Israel will be gradually reduced
      1. +1
        11 November 2023 21: 13
        RUR, nothing terrible is happening, we lived without Israel and we will live again. laughing
        But let the extras brought by the Zionists quickly find a common language with the Palestinians and become Semites. To be needed. Zionists are no longer needed. Yes
        1. RUR
          0
          11 November 2023 22: 24
          What is the common language? But you yourself wrote about modern Hebrew..., and AlexZN (Alexander) proudly declared here that they are able to read texts 2000 years ago... they introduced antediluvian concepts/words there... how to negotiate and understand people from the borderlands of antiquity and a new era? Some experts, for example, S. Balandin, believe that such a break with modernity could destroy the Jews... or something like that...
          1. -1
            11 November 2023 23: 18
            Hebrew is dead. What the Zionists “revived” is not suitable for defining Semites. Semites are those who speak a native language that the people themselves developed. There is a group of Semitic languages. There is no other definition of Semites. If you hear about the new definition of Semites, tell us.
            The ancient Jews left, the language died. Semites do not recognize the foreign body created by the Zionists. Israel, kaput.

            It's like in medicine. Cancer cells are rejected by the body.
            And if they really want to be Semites, let them intermarry with the Palestinians. laughing

            PS Or Israel was created by England, like the USA. Yes
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    12 November 2023 08: 57
    Made me laugh. Why would you bother with problems that have little to do with you?
    Well, Hebrew is dead. Well, Semites are not Jews. Balandin is right.
    And what? Doesn't it bother you that real practice absolutely does not correspond to your wishes?
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      12 November 2023 13: 14
      Alexzn, why did you decide that this is my problem? It's your problem. Have fun further. smile
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      12 November 2023 16: 55
      This is not wishful thinking for us goyim, but reality... But you are migrating with terrible force with your problems from Israel... even before Gaza... so they become ours... in all directions and countries ... and now even more so... Ritter says that after some time people will flee en masse from Israel to the West... but what do you think of the West now, when there is an unheard-of and unprecedented wave of anti-Semitism there?
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        12 November 2023 17: 53
        RUR wave of anti-Jewishness. This is so as not to violate the lexical meaning of a word that for some reason was changed and is not recognized. Yes