Ukraine is secretly trying to negotiate a ceasefire with Russia

November 7, 2023 47

According to Western media, the United States and European countries began to discuss with Ukraine the possibility of negotiations with Russia without public disclosure, pushing Kyiv into dialogue with Moscow. The West fears that the fighting has reached a stalemate, which risks prolonging the conflict, which will entail unforeseen costs and consequences.

Delicate conversations between Western partners and Ukrainians have been going on for some time. The last communication on this matter took place in October within the framework of the contact group on defense issues of the Ramstein format.

Therefore, it is not surprising that, despite the irreconcilable belligerent rhetoric of Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky, acting as an “evil policeman,” emissaries from Kyiv flocked to Moscow. These are proxies of the head of the office of the President of Ukraine Andriy Ermak, who took on the role of a “good policeman.”

Attempts through informal channels to test the possibility of secret ceasefire negotiations closed from the public did not mislead representatives of the Russian Federation. Moscow immediately saw through Kyiv’s desire to freeze and mothball the conflict until the moment when Israel’s difficulties ended and the Armed Forces of Ukraine could accumulate enough forces and means for a new offensive.

Thus, the Ukrainian authorities do not need real peace, they only want a respite in order to hold out and continue military operations against the Russian Federation. That is why the Russians did not demonstrate any reciprocal interest, since they are not interested in such a development of events.

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Sergey Tokarev

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7 November 2023 15: 21

Most of all, the West fears that Russia will not take over the ruins for maintenance. So, the improvement of the living conditions of the waiting people in all sorts of Mariupol and Kherson has already been allocated to regional budgets.
1. Vladimir Tuzakov
  
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  7 November 2023 15: 33
  
  No wonder it is sung:
  
  Native Belarus, golden Ukraine...
  
  Don't confuse sour with hot. Ukraine itself is the richest: the land, starting from black soil, ending with a whole line of minerals. With a normal, non-zealous attitude, and the provision of opportunities for development, Ukraine will surpass France in a decade. In a decade, Ukraine will help backward regions of the Russian Federation. Of course, with a competent economic policy, even though we have the richest state, the Russian Federation, is barely dragging its feet, on the verge of recession, with the exorbitant wealth of a handful of billionaires, we have such government of the state.
  1. Sergey Tokarev
    
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    7 November 2023 16: 19
    
    So how is it? Did the local aborigines build a highly developed, rich civilization on this land? they will never build anything. and not so rich black soils after sunflower and rapeseed. ruin can surpass France only under one condition. if someone pays Ukrainians more than the French. Starting from the new year, in the richest Germany, the Bundeswehr will abolish beef and fish. no money. They will eat chicken and soy. so it is not known who else is dragging his feet.
    1. Flight
      
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      8 November 2023 02: 33
      
      It is difficult for local aborigines to build a highly developed civilization with Jews. This is not why they sneaked into power.
  2. syndicalist
    
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    8 November 2023 08: 14
    
    There's some kind of mess in your head.
    
    Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
    In a decade, Ukraine will help backward regions of the Russian Federation
    
    In your opinion, is Russia a country so poor in resources that without Ukraine it is incapable of normal development?
    
    Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
    Of course, with a competent economic policy, even our richest state, the Russian Federation, can barely drag itself
    
    That is, in our own country we are not able to create a normal system and now all hopes are connected with building such a system in a war-ravaged neighboring country, torn apart by contradictions and which will then drag backward Russia like a locomotive?
  3. Dingo
    
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    8 November 2023 08: 43
    
    Of course, with a competent economic policy, even though we have the richest state, the Russian Federation, is barely dragging its feet, on the verge of recession, with the exorbitant wealth of a handful of billionaires, we have such government of the state.
    
    Where can I get it, this very “competent economic policy”? I hope you remember well whose words these are: - "...I have no other elite for you." But what kind of “elite” is this from a bunch of nuVORishes and hucksters who, by chance, seized power?
  4. Pete mitchell
    
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    8 November 2023 12: 51
    
    Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
    normal, not greedy attitude, and providing opportunities for development, Ukraine will surpass different...
    
    It was under this mantra that oligarchs were born in the former Soviet Union: Estonia is like Finns... Latvians are like little Switzerland... Lithuania is like in Europe... Ukraine is simply the center of the world... well, does anyone really still believe that the Union was collapsed for the sake of improving people's lives? This shanthrope will never be allowed to live as they want, only because it is beneficial to the West
  5. Alexey Lan
    
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    8 November 2023 21: 45
    
    Native Belarus, golden Ukraine
    
    If Ukraine is like this, then why did they approach the Maidan with such a collapse of the economy? Whatever it is...let's overtake France. Ukraine will first take a long time to mend holes in torn pants.
2. Sergey Egorov_3
  
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  8 November 2023 01: 22
  
  Kherson and Mariupol, with partial, even restoration, will bring more money to the Russian budget than most central regions of Russia combined
3. bobnew2017
  
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  8 November 2023 05: 59
  
  Complete unconditional surrender, surrender of all mercenaries and Nazis, trial of the Ukrainian Reich and Ze-gang, liberation of all of Ukraine from the Nazis to the western borders and payment by Germany and NATO of all reparations for restoration and compensation to victims of Nazism!
KLNM

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7 November 2023 15: 26

Any negotiations on a ceasefire, freezing the conflict, etc. and failure to fulfill the goals and objectives for the SVO, previously set by the President himself, will be regarded by citizens of the Russian Federation as another betrayal and defeat. I personally still cannot understand and accept the many years of criminal inaction on the part of our leadership regarding the Minsk agreements, when we were fooled for 8 years, which led to grave consequences with numerous victims. How is it possible to draw up documents, after which the failure to fulfill obligations on the one hand, lasting for years, the agreements continued to be valid..., did not fulfill them on time, goodbye...
1. Nelton
  
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  7 November 2023 16: 12
  
  Quote from KLN
  We were fooled for 8 years,
  
  I don’t know who cheated whom, but economically the Russian Federation developed much more efficiently during these years than Ukraine.
  The Strategic Missile Forces were updated, armor-s and Su-3xx were supplied, Almaz-Antey opened 2 new factories (this is from what was in the open press), and much more.
  
  The fact that some kind of ceasefire is signed, I assure you, the Russian military-industrial complex will not slow down, at least in the first few years. Missiles, UAVs, shells and everything else will accumulate, greatly reducing the desire to catch everything accumulated on one’s head in an attempt at the next counter-offensive.
  1. Flight
    
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    8 November 2023 02: 34
    
    There is only one problem - where are the nails? Where can I get nails?
    1. guest
      
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      9 November 2023 16: 04
      
      Quote from Voo
      Where can I get nails?
      
      Nails to drive into the coffin of Ukraine?
2. rotkiv04
  
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  7 November 2023 16: 34
  
  Quote from KLN
  Any negotiations on a ceasefire, freezing the conflict, etc. and failure to fulfill the goals and objectives for the SVO, previously set by the President himself, will be regarded by citizens of the Russian Federation as another betrayal and defeat. I personally still cannot understand and accept the many years of criminal inaction on the part of our leadership regarding the Minsk agreements, when we were fooled for 8 years, which led to grave consequences with numerous victims. How is it possible to draw up documents, after which the failure to fulfill obligations on the one hand, lasting for years, the agreements continued to be valid..., did not fulfill them on time, goodbye...
  
  So the Geopolitician of all times and peoples was sure for 8 years that he was deceiving everyone, but it turned out that he was “deceived ... with four fists,” and how can you not believe him, he is the brightest head in all of Russia, you can’t argue with him, So in Istanbul, what an ingenious solution he offered to the ugly Ukrainians, he handed over almost everything, but thank God the crests didn’t listen here either, they threw me in again
  1. Vitaly-Rodaslav MK
    
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    7 November 2023 17: 06
    
    Rotkiv04. Maybe they are scamming you and throwing you away, for the future, if you don’t understand anything about this topic, then before you write anything, turn on your brain, also formulate normally what you want to express, otherwise you look like your mother’s sofa school political scientist.
strange guest

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7 November 2023 17: 24

This is good! To Lvov and Ivano-Frankivsk with a flying banner!
1. Sergey Tokarev
  
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  7 November 2023 17: 46
  
  The goals of the NWO are denazification with demilitarization. field kitchens and the distribution of humanitarian aid to future “grandchildren of Shukhevych” in Lvov and Kyiv do not satisfy them. It has been historically proven that they will start jumping again. so the option with fields strewn with burnt equipment and crows devouring the corpses of aborigines is more realistic. The dragon's teeth were not installed to fight lions. rather, to smear all Lvov residents on these teeth.
  1. strange guest
    
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    7 November 2023 23: 25
    
    In this case, we run a great risk of repeating the Entente’s mistake with the Treaty of Versailles. The United States did not repeat it after World War II and proposed the Marshall Plan. Which, despite all its shortcomings, allowed Germany and Japan to recover quickly.
Platon Verdictov

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7 November 2023 17: 44

Moscow immediately saw through Kyiv’s desire to freeze and mothball the conflict

I can finally sleep peacefully!
vlad127490

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7 November 2023 17: 51

All oligarchs and hucksters dream of returning to the “holy 90s.” The comprador authorities of Ukraine and the Russian Federation, through third parties, are constantly looking for “agreements” for themselves. Simply, the US is against it.
1. etoyavsemprivet
  
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  7 November 2023 22: 52
  
  The USA never minds if it receives 49% of the profits. And all mutual settlements take place in dollars, which are stored in US banks and which are a problem to take just like that. And so that the top was corrupt, the people had brains like Pokemons, debauchery flourished and therefore the birth rate decreased, that is, the slow death of the nation.
2. guest
  
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  9 November 2023 16: 06
  
  Quote: vlad127490
  Simply, the US is against it.
  
  With such enemies you don't even need friends.
DO

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7 November 2023 19: 37

Attempts through informal channels to test the possibility of secret ceasefire negotiations closed from the public did not mislead representatives of the Russian Federation. Moscow immediately saw through Kyiv’s desire to freeze and mothball the conflict until the moment when Israel’s difficulties ended and the Armed Forces of Ukraine could accumulate enough forces and means for a new offensive.

It's good if so. Because another “peaceful” agreement with Ukraine will not end well for Russia - the Ukrainian Armed Forces will have additional resources for further attacks on Russian territories. As a result, it is possible that the Ukrainian Armed Forces will send not only drones and missiles towards Moscow, but will also try to carry out a full-fledged ground invasion.
strange guest

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7 November 2023 21: 05

I don’t think they will betray Russia and start negotiations.
1. hromenkonickolai
  
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  8 November 2023 18: 42
  
  It is impossible to do without negotiations. But what we should be afraid of is not negotiations, but the cessation of hostilities during them! And beat the Nazis continuously until complete surrender!
serivolkf1

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7 November 2023 21: 20

they don’t know what to write and come up with something that at the moment cannot be from the word at all
Disinfo

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7 November 2023 21: 50

Don't fall for it Russia! They just want time to reorganize their depleted forces and get equipment to the front.
Siegfried

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7 November 2023 22: 02

through formalizing the end of the conflict in Ukraine, a new world order will be formalized. Draining Ukraine would mean that the West is accepting new realities that will change everything. Also, the Russian Federation’s consent to the freeze would mean that Russia accepts the impossibility of changing the world order now, “we tried, but it didn’t work.”

Freezing upon the fact of controlling territories and preserving the Kyiv regime, even with a different avatar, is a pure defeat for Russia. It is precisely the insignificant control of the territories by Russia that does not give the West any opportunity to end the conflict now. No matter how much they want, freezing is in fact impossible and everyone knows this. To get out, they will have to commit a public act of capitulation, agreeing or even facilitating Russia’s acquisition of not just what it actually controls, but multiples more only in territories, and then there is the Kiev regime, NATO issues. We don’t know what exactly the Russian Federation sees as part of the country, but this is clearly not limited to the annexed regions.

The West would really like a military outcome, where Russia liberates everything and everyone through deep breakthroughs. Only such a scenario allows the West to leave the Northern Military District. And when Russia is in no hurry to liberate anything, how then to get out? Let's actually not give it a ride. The very beginning of negotiations and the indication of consent to a freeze is in itself an action with irreversible and unpredictable consequences for the West, and they have already entered this ice out of despair.

Russia's demands are impossible to meet and there is no way out for the West. Only capitulation, but that is also impossible. They are forced to choose - either threaten Russia with something terrible and serious, or become fluffy and friendly, sending one signal after another - “Russia has won”, engage in self-flagellation in the hope that Russia will be satisfied with its new global status in the world and let go of the noose. But this is not enough, a way out is only possible through formalizing the completion of the SVO in such a way that both the Russian people and Moscow can say - “we got it normally, we can live with it, there are no questions!”, an unambiguous, undiluted victory (not in war with the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and in the confrontation with the West).

But a simple continuation of the conflict by the West, even with a gradual reduction in aid, even with the replacement of the Kyiv regime by someone else, does not solve the main problem - what is the way out? How to formalize the end of the conflict without capitulation and recognition of the beginning of a new world order? And how do we move forward with this conflict, on the completion of which the fate of the universe depends, towards the US elections? These elections are the event of the century without exaggeration.

The SVO is not about Ukraine, the SVO is about reformatting the entire planet.
1. strange guest
  
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  7 November 2023 22: 50
  
  You have written a lot of things, except for one thing - what is the essence of the new world order and what is the new global status of Russia? A new hegemon instead of the States, a new world gendarme, a new world leader instead of China and the USA? From a social point of view, there is no difference between Russia and the States - so there cannot be any new idea, you can only take someone else’s place. So whose? Responsibility also means obligations to the world. Including maintaining this peace in different parts of the planet, if you are talking about world reorganization. But there are no fewer contradictions in the world... And support for the poorest countries. And financial obligations. All these WHO, the UN with its programs, and other “doctors without borders”. Look how much the West is pumping into this. These are the real expenses. Eg -
  In fiscal year 2020 (October 1, 2019 - September 30, 2020), the U.S. government provided $51,05 billion in foreign economic assistance.
  And this is only the USA...And also the EU and the rest of the global West. They will be happy to throw this burden onto us if we move them aside from the world order.
  Are we ready to replace them? Shall we pull? We cannot raise unfortunate Syria from the ruins... And no one knows how long it will take us to restore Ukraine..
  1. Nelton
    
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    8 November 2023 10: 26
    
    Quote: Strange guest
    what is the essence of the new world order
    
    The essence of the new world order is that a country, clearly declared to be a protégé of the United States, can still be “liberated” from part of its territories, and not suffer too much from it.
    
    The United States, of course, does not like this situation, but this is not the first time in their experience; they have already had to leave Vietnam and Afghanistan, and nothing in the world has turned upside down as a result.
    
    Quote: Strange guest
    what is the new global status of Russia?
    
    Another example of a country under sanctions.
    If we manage to support development and improvement under sanctions, other countries will be less afraid of sanctions.
    It won’t work, it will come down to gloomy queues for buying coupons for bread and potatoes - the rest will continue the policy of recognizing the leading role of the United States, with which it is better to be friends and trade than to draw figs.
    
    Those. everything is decided in the rear, in the development of civilian sectors of the economy.
    1. Nelton
      
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      8 November 2023 10: 56
      
      Quote from Nelton.
      they already had to leave Vietnam
      
      And what is characteristic is that now in Vietnam, while the red flags remain, comprador* capitalism has long been established. I only had to wait 30 years or so.
      
      *(development of the economy through attracting foreign investment in production for export).
    2. strange guest
      
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      8 November 2023 11: 37
      
      I don’t quite understand - please explain. So we have pushed the United States and the West away from decision-making. The States, together with the EU, Britain, Australia and other Japan and Korea, have fallen (forcibly) into isolationism and are exclusively dealing with their own internal problems within the framework of the so-called “golden billion”. In the remaining free and big world, how are problems solved? Humanitarian, economic, territorial, demographic, climatic? Between states and peoples? After all, they will not disappear anywhere - neither poverty, nor diseases, nor interethnic, nor interreligious conflicts, nor natural disasters. Only without fantasy in the form of communism)) This is real. This requires a lot of money, if you really look at things. The new hegemon - us? Or not at all? How do you imagine this?
      1. Nelton
        
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        8 November 2023 12: 12
        
        Quote: Strange guest
        they will not disappear anywhere - neither poverty, nor disease, nor interethnic or interreligious conflicts
        
        Do you really care about all this if it happens outside the Russian Federation?
        From my point of view, all world events, geopolitics, the supposed “change of order,” the role of the United States in it, and even the course of the Northern Military District should be considered solely in terms of how this will affect the development and well-being of Russian regions and citizens.
        
        And if a certain conflict between Hutu and Tutsi does not have any effect (and most often this is the case), then the attitude towards it is appropriate.
        
        strange guest
        
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        8 November 2023 13: 05
        
        So this is the “new world order” and Russia’s role in it? In a word, no one understands and there is no role. Well, in general, I imagined something similar - when they start a mantra about a multipolar world. Where everyone is against everyone. One God for all. Just like before the First World War - only there are more states, more diverse interests, and everyone has more weapons. Well, I don’t know whether such a world order will be better than the current one. And for us, too, in the not-too-distant future.
        
        guest
        
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        9 November 2023 16: 15
        
        Quote: Strange guest
        Well, I don’t know if there will be such a world order better than the current one.
        
        I won’t say whether it will be better, but it cannot be worse than the current one.
golden knowledge

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7 November 2023 22: 07

Any agreement with the Ukrovermacht is a complication of the situation. I don’t think that Russia will allow itself to be deceived again.
1. guest
  
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  9 November 2023 16: 17
  
  Quote: Golden knowledge
  Any agreement with the Ukrovermacht is a complication of the situation. I don’t think that Russia will allow itself to be deceived again.
  
  I agree about the first part, but as for the second, I have doubts, because some of us are still happy to be deceived.
Grei grin

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7 November 2023 22: 15

Where is the party of traitors of the “obscene world”, why can’t we hear it?
Daniel K

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7 November 2023 22: 22

They believed and ceased fire a bunch of times and ended up losing people, time and the opportunity for a quick victory. Under no circumstances should there be any suspension until the installation on the ground achieves a result that suits us. All to the Dnieper and Nikolaev and Odessa. We don't need a terrorist at our side
In passing

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7 November 2023 23: 08

And does anyone think that everything will end by signing something? The bickering, fussing, dirty games, threats and blackmail will continue. Sanctions will continue. Nobody can cancel competition and espionage. The only question is the price of the issue for the Americans. I’m generally surprised that they didn’t crush the Russian elite and didn’t buy them like the rest... Reformatting is not formalized on paper, it is done. And this is not one-time, it is a process. And unfortunate Ukraine is just a consumable and a geolocation of the process. There will be no peace. The ball is not rubber.
1. Flight
  
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  8 November 2023 02: 36
  
  Everything will be the same, except for one thing, the displacement of Jews from places of decision-making.
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Elena123

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8 November 2023 09: 18

Peace is always better than war. But we need long-term peace for centuries and centuries, so that our generations can live peacefully without fear.
1. guest
  
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  9 November 2023 16: 18
  
  Quote from Elena123
  Peace is always better than war.
  
  I don’t agree, war is better than peace without Russia.
Vasya 225

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8 November 2023 10: 19

There is no confidence that Moscow will not make a new gesture of goodwill. They can also get lost.
rotkiv04

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8 November 2023 10: 31

Quote: Vitaly-Rodaslav MK
Rotkiv04. Maybe they are scamming you and throwing you away, for the future, if you don’t understand anything about this topic, then before you write anything, turn on your brain, also formulate normally what you want to express, otherwise you look like your mother’s sofa school political scientist.

so you read carefully who is being scammed and everything in your bright head will fall into place, but in general thank you for the comment, it means that you are also offended by the ambiguous politics of someone
Kiril

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10 November 2023 18: 38

Why “negotiate” then? - capitulate and stop shooting