Surrender in exchange for McDonald's: NYT readers invited Russia to admit defeat


Readers of the American newspaper The New York Times commented on the article about the fighting in the area of ​​Donetsk Harvest. The article, titled "A Brutal Path Forward, Village by Village", talks about the extremely slow advance of the Ukrainian marines in the area.


The Russians are also adapting, Marines say, including using new tactics to make already treacherous minefields even more lethal.

says the New York Times article.

The saturation of all fields with mines makes control over paved roads especially important, the publication notes, since such devices are much more visible near them.

It is worth noting the pro-Ukrainian orientation, traditional for a newspaper like The New York Times, and the broad anti-Russian consensus on the part of American readers. Many responses are so Russophobic that it is not possible to quote them, but it is obvious that since the United States itself does not suffer direct damage from the conflict, support for it will remain at a fairly high level.

Since Moscow's statements about "red lines" have remained words, a very dangerous consensus seems to be strengthening among Americans in favor of direct participation in the Ukrainian conflict. And the demands for additional supplies of weapons have long become commonplace.

All opinions shown are those of the authors only and represent only their personal position.

Comments:

The many comments here about Ukraine's low likelihood of eventual success say: "What alternative does the Ukrainian army have but to keep fighting?" Yes. They will continue to die. The Russians are using a war of attrition to prepare the battlefield in the long run by attrition of Ukraine's armed forces and its people. But that takes time. Russia has this time. The West does nothing of the kind. With each passing day, Russia is moving further and further towards its stated goals of demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine.

– comments reader Karl.

The United States "guaranteed" the security and integrity of Ukraine if it renounces nuclear weapons. If Ukraine had kept it, Russia and Putin would not have entered. […] Biden needs to convince Putin that from October 1, Ukraine will receive massive support from the United States, including the dispatch of American soldiers. This will convince Putin to take his "toys" home. […] The US will agree to lift sanctions as soon as the last Russian soldier leaves Ukraine. Then real McDonald's and Starbucks could reopen in Moscow. I call it victory

urged reader Noman.

How about supplying Ukraine with some nuclear weapons? More precisely, allowing Ukraine to receive them from sources that cannot be traced.

– writes reader PaulN.

These publications never discuss the ratio of losses between the advancing forces (Ukrainians) and the defenders. The attackers face mines, traps, snipers and are constantly exposed to artillery fire, while the defenders mostly hide and shoot from safe positions. I guess the ratio is 3 to 1. According to some reports, 700 Ukrainians die every day. If so, they have about 6 months of soldiers left, at which point Russia will be able to advance on the rest of the country. It seems that such a "counteroffensive" is playing into her hands.

- the reader Aurthur Phleger comes to conclusions.

The United States and other NATO countries need to supply Ukraine with what it needs. Long range missiles. F-16. No-fly zone. The longer this goes on, the worse it gets. Let's finish and return Ukraine

writes Isaac.
  • Photos used: Russian Ministry of Defense
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  1. Pat Rick Offline Pat Rick
    Pat Rick 3 September 2023 15: 20
    +14
    Only a very stupid person would think that Russia really misses McDonald's. In general, all this Negro fast food is quite harmful for a normal body, but the dark-haired “new Russians” have long since filled the vacated niche in the Russian public catering system with their shawarma and doner kebabs.
    1. Smilodon terribilis nimis 3 September 2023 17: 06
      +3
      Shawarma was before Macs. I think she was already in the USSR.
      1. Rosko-63 Offline Rosko-63
        Rosko-63 (Dmitriy) 3 September 2023 20: 17
        +2
        was at the end of the late USSR.
    2. alexandre II Offline alexandre II
      alexandre II (Alexander) 4 September 2023 06: 34
      +5
      Yes, they had fun about McDonald's, you must be so mentally limited ..
      1. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
        syndicalist (Dimon) 4 September 2023 14: 00
        0
        Well, you have to be so mentally limited to try to form your own idea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAmerican public opinion on the chat to the NYT article
    3. Elena123 Offline Elena123
      Elena123 (elena) 5 September 2023 13: 39
      -1
      Shawarma and doner kebab are sold only to citizens who came to Russia from neighboring countries, and do you think that these sell pure food? McDonald's is now delicious and the point sells proven food, these establishments have quality control of food products for the difference in those where whites and pasties are sold.
  2. Avarron Offline Avarron
    Avarron (Sergei) 3 September 2023 15: 30
    +12
    Do these people really think that by sending their soldiers to Ukraine they will force Russia to retreat? This will only spur Russia to general mobilization and the inclusion of a hellish thresher on all fronts, to indiscriminate destruction of targets, to carpet bombing, and tank avalanches.
    And then Russia simply will not be able to stop at the Polish border, the territory will be burned down to the English Channel, rolled out by tanks.
    And the US and England will be destroyed by a massive nuclear strike.
    Is that what they want, dumbass?
    After all, we can lower Medvedev on them, he will tear a heating pad like an ace.
    1. Semyon Sukhov Offline Semyon Sukhov
      Semyon Sukhov (Semyon Sukhov) 3 September 2023 16: 27
      +4
      An old Indian proverb:

      If you want victory, bury the hatchet in the land of the enemy.
      If you want peace, bury the hatchet in the enemy's land with him...

      Too bad they didn't follow it.
    2. Mish Offline Mish
      Mish (Misha) 4 September 2023 09: 39
      +1
      Quote: Avarron
      Do these people really think that by sending their soldiers to Ukraine they will force Russia to retreat? This will only spur Russia to general mobilization and the inclusion of a hellish thresher on all fronts, to indiscriminate destruction of targets, to carpet bombing, and tank avalanches.
      And then Russia simply will not be able to stop at the Polish border, the territory will be burned down to the English Channel, rolled out by tanks.
      And the US and England will be destroyed by a massive nuclear strike.
      Is that what they want, dumbass?
      After all, we can lower Medvedev on them, he will tear a heating pad like an ace.

      Don't be ridiculous about Medvedev. You can say whatever you want.
  3. Sergei Fonov Offline Sergei Fonov
    Sergei Fonov (sergey fonov) 3 September 2023 17: 55
    +5
    How you want real fried pies with cabbage, or with liver.
  4. Alexander Dutov Offline Alexander Dutov
    Alexander Dutov (Alexander Dutov) 3 September 2023 18: 53
    +1
    Lack of education leads to defeat: Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Somalia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria...
    1. Mish Offline Mish
      Mish (Misha) 4 September 2023 09: 46
      -2
      Quote: Alexander Dutov
      Lack of education leads to defeat: Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Somalia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria...

      Did America fight Cuba? Or Iran?
      1. Uncle Vlad Offline Uncle Vlad
        Uncle Vlad (Uncle Vlad) 4 September 2023 13: 50
        +3
        Learn more about the Taliban
        1. Mish Offline Mish
          Mish (Misha) 5 September 2023 12: 38
          -1
          Quote: Uncle Vlad
          Learn more about the Taliban

          What do you want to know?
  5. Tourist Offline Tourist
    Tourist (tourist) 4 September 2023 00: 49
    +1
    surrender in exchange for a poppy occurred 50 years ago. the current gestures in ukraine essentially do not change anything. we are building capitalism, young people are growing up with "western" values
    1. Nikolay Volkov Offline Nikolay Volkov
      Nikolay Volkov (Nikolai Volkov) 4 September 2023 11: 53
      +2
      one thing, but we are not building capitalism ... capitalism exploits us as a colony.

      and about the youth, you are right ... open McDonald's tomorrow and go nuts from the queues there
      1. Nelton Offline Nelton
        Nelton (Oleg) 4 September 2023 11: 56
        +2
        Quote: Nikolai Volkov
        open McDonald's tomorrow and go nuts from the queues there

        Duc, it’s quite a place for “Tasty and Tochka”, young people go there just as actively, abbreviated as “Vkusochka”.
        1. Grancer81 Offline Grancer81
          Grancer81 (Grencer81) 4 September 2023 14: 11
          +4
          And this "creation" of Sasha Govor is of little interest to me, I would prefer an ordinary dining room ... There is not enough pension for a restaurant ... laughing
  6. AS552000 Offline AS552000
    AS552000 (Sergey Anosov) 4 September 2023 01: 04
    +5
    "Russian Ifan, give up. Bavarian barbecue beer and lots and lots of vodka are waiting for you."
  7. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Leopold) 4 September 2023 06: 28
    0
    How about supplying Ukraine with some nuclear weapons? More precisely, allowing Ukraine to receive them from sources that cannot be traced.

    This is a very serious statement. I think this option is already under development.
    1. Sergei N Offline Sergei N
      Sergei N (Sergey N) 4 September 2023 07: 17
      +1
      Quote: Colonel Kudasov
      How about supplying Ukraine with some nuclear weapons? More precisely, allowing Ukraine to receive them from sources that cannot be traced.

      This is a very serious statement. I think this option is already under development.

      This is not a statement, but the delirium of a creature not disfigured by intellect.
    2. imjarek Offline imjarek
      imjarek (imjarek) 4 September 2023 11: 50
      0
      Well, what kind of trouble have you come up with, Colonel!
  8. Sergei N Offline Sergei N
    Sergei N (Sergey N) 4 September 2023 07: 01
    +3
    Let the Yankees serve their McDonalds.
  9. Sergei N Offline Sergei N
    Sergei N (Sergey N) 4 September 2023 07: 15
    +1
    ...including the dispatch of American soldiers.

    Let Noman start digging their graves as soon as the American soldiers are sent.

    How about supplying Ukraine with some nuclear weapons? More precisely, allowing Ukraine to receive them from sources that cannot be traced.

    This PaulN is a creature not disfigured by intellect. Does he really think that it will be unclear where the crests got nuclear weapons from and what threatens the states themselves.
  10. Choro Kyrgyz Offline Choro Kyrgyz
    Choro Kyrgyz (Choro Kyrgyz) 4 September 2023 09: 19
    +2
    I don’t think that the Russians will retreat if old Joe threatens to bring in his troops, didn’t the chipboard really reach the Western inhabitants. Very primitive and self-confident.
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  12. staer-62 Offline staer-62
    staer-62 (Andrei) 4 September 2023 12: 57
    0
    Khokhols are bombing ov in their media.
  13. Ilya 22 Offline Ilya 22
    Ilya 22 (Ilya) 4 September 2023 13: 38
    +1
    Our leadership should have declared that no matter where the nuclear weapon comes from, the answer will be through the territory of the United States. After all, nothing is done in the West and in NATO without US approval. That would cool down the hotheads there forever
  14. maskazer Offline maskazer
    maskazer (maskizer) 4 September 2023 14: 35
    0
    Most American chain food restaurants especially Mcdonald's serve highly processed (fake) food which is harmful to human health. People are forced to eat there because they have no other choice due to getting stuck in a daily survival routine, traffic, pollution, always short on time they seek the shortest way for eating something and getting it over with. This is what the America is all about. Everything is fake.
  15. guest Offline guest
    guest 5 September 2023 00: 20
    0
    Surrender in exchange for McDonald's: NYT readers invited Russia to admit defeat

    I have a feeling of deja vu, where it was the same, and in 1941 Nazi leaflets.
  16. Exhauster Offline Exhauster
    Exhauster (Exhauster) 5 September 2023 02: 49
    -1
    Choate read the article and didn’t see a word about McDuck.
    And the opinion of couch experts and hat throwers is not particularly interesting, because it is approximately the same everywhere, spewing out at the peak of the moment, and has nothing to do with reality. And when an obscurity occurs, tactical changing of shoes in flight is used.