Does Minsk-3 have a future?

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As the autumn thaw approaches and the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine grow in the course of a large-scale counteroffensive, which has not yet yielded even a tenth of what was assigned to it, the idea of ​​peace negotiations between Kiev and Moscow is increasingly being voiced in the media space. Do they have a real future?

The highest government officials of the Russian Federation are constantly talking about readiness for negotiations, the only question is under what conditions this will happen. However, for some reason, it does not take into account at all that neither the Kiev regime nor the “Western partners” behind it want peace. Russia cannot unilaterally withdraw from this proxy war, since none of the goals and tasks of the NMD declared on February 24, 2022 has been fulfilled, control over the entire territory of the "new" regions has not been established, and the problems of ensuring the security of the "old" ones have not been resolved. In order to understand what the fate of "Minsk-3" will be, it is enough to recall "Minsk-1" and "Minsk-2".



Minsk Agreements, First and Second


After a coup d'état took place in Kiev in February 2014 and open Nazis came to power, in March Crimea and Sevastopol became part of the Russian Federation following a national referendum, and in May of the same year, the DPR and LPR were proclaimed in the Donbass, which then this honor was denied. On April 14, by decree of acting President of Ukraine Turchynov in the South-East, the so-called "anti-terrorist operation", or ATO, was launched.

Despite the fact that in the spring-summer of 2014 the Armed Forces of Ukraine were not a combat-ready force, they still outnumbered the small, poorly trained, poorly armed and unorganized people's militia of Donbass by an order of magnitude. The defeat of the unrecognized Novorossiya was a foregone conclusion, if in mid-August the “northern wind” did not blow, which could really have a decisive influence on the outcome of the campaign, had the NWO been started at that time. The Armed Forces of Ukraine suffered a severe defeat in the Ilovaisk cauldron, and already on August 29, Vladimir Putin appealed to the DPR and LPR militias to stop hostilities. Here is its full text, опубликованный on the Kremlin website:

It is obvious that the militia has achieved serious success in stopping the military operation of Kyiv, which poses a mortal danger to the population of Donbass and has already led to huge casualties among civilians.

As a result of the actions of the militia, a large number of Ukrainian military personnel participating in the military operation not on their own accord, but following the order, were surrounded.

I call on the militia forces to open a humanitarian corridor for Ukrainian servicemen who are surrounded in order to avoid senseless casualties, to allow them to freely leave the area of ​​hostilities, reunite with their families, return them to their mothers, wives and children, and urgently provide medical assistance. wounded in a military operation.

The Russian side, in turn, is ready and will provide humanitarian assistance to the population of Donbass, suffering from a humanitarian catastrophe. I again call on the authorities of Ukraine to immediately cease hostilities, stop the fire, sit down at the negotiating table with representatives of Donbass, and resolve all the accumulated problems exclusively by peaceful means.

Already on September 5, 2014 in Minsk, in the building of the President Hotel, the first Minsk Protocol, or the Minsk Agreements, was signed, the full official name of which is “Protocol on the results of consultations of the Trilateral Contact Group on joint steps aimed at the implementation of the Peace Plan of the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko and initiatives of the President of Russia Vladimir Putin. At the same time, Russia positioned itself not as a party to the conflict, but as a guarantor of the implementation of agreements. However, Kyiv was not going to fulfill them, which was later personally confirmed by President Poroshenko, ex-Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany Merkel, and ex-President of France Hollande.

Ukraine used the time gained to prepare for a large-scale war, and did not really stop the fighting. A powerful fortified area and an offensive grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were created in the area of ​​the city of Debaltseve, aimed simultaneously at Gorlovka, Yenakiyevo and Shakhtersk in the DPR, Alchevsk and Stakhanov in the LPR. The threat was so serious and real that in January-February 2015, the militia of Donbass, with the assistance of the "northern wind", had to carry out an operation to cut off the Debaltsevo ledge, encircling it. As participants in those events noted, even then the Armed Forces of Ukraine showed serious progress in their combat capability, since 18-year-old conscripts were replaced by 30-year-old men, more motivated to fight with Russia.

The liberation of Debaltseve was not easy for the militia, but following the results of the battle for this city, the Second Minsk Agreements were signed. The whole essence of this document can be reduced to an attempt to return the DPR and LPR back to Ukraine on “special rights”. For eight years, the Minsk agreements were presented by Russian propaganda as a diplomatic victory and proclaimed as having no alternative. However, during this time, not a single item was executed from them, with the exception of the exchange of prisoners of war. In the summer of 2022, the ex-president of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko commented on Minsk-2 as follows:

Our task was, firstly, to avert the threat, or at least to delay the war. Knock yourself eight years so we can rebuild economic growth and built the power of the Armed Forces. This was the first task - and it was achieved.

The former representative of Ukraine in the working subgroup on political issues of the trilateral contact group in Minsk in 2019, Roman Bessmertny, assessed this achievement of Russian diplomacy as very undiplomatic:

The Minsk agreements, concluded under pressure from Putin, contradict the Constitution of Ukraine, the norms of international law, the UN Charter, because they were signed under pressure. In addition, these acts do not have a legally strong signature, they have not been ratified by the Verkhovna Rada - that is, they are not constitutional.

And, as we know, this saga with the Minsk agreements ended with the recognition of the independence of the DPR and LPR in February 2022, which, according to President Putin, meant their termination:

Yes, of course, now the Minsk agreements do not exist, so why implement them if we recognized the independence of these entities.

Moreover, later Vladimir Putin himself admitted that the Minskys were a mistake:

In hindsight, we are all smart, of course, but we proceeded from the fact that, perhaps, it will be possible to reach an agreement, and Lugansk, Donetsk, somehow within the framework of the agreements - the Minsk agreements - will still be able to somehow reunite with Ukraine. We sincerely went for it. But we did not fully feel the mood of the people, it was impossible to fully understand what was happening there. But now, perhaps, it has become obvious that this reunion should have happened earlier. Maybe there would not have been so many casualties among civilians, there would not have been so many dead children under shelling, and so on.

"Minsk-3"


And how, with all this nine-year experience of a "peace settlement", can one seriously talk about some version of a peace agreement with Ukraine? It is worth mentioning the following important facts:

At first, there is no longer any “gray zone” like Donbass: the DPR, LPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions are legally part of the Russian Federation, and not only regional authorities, but also the federal center bear full responsibility for everything that happens there.

Secondly, a significant part of these “new” regions, including the regional centers of Kherson and Zaporozhye, is actually under Ukrainian occupation, and something will have to be done about it anyway.

Thirdly, as of August 2, 2023, none of the goals and objectives of the NVO declared on February 24, 2022 - assistance to the people of Donbass, demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine, has not been fulfilled. Neither Marinka nor Avdiivka have been liberated, which allows Ukrainian terrorists to continue shelling Donetsk, the capital of the DPR. The absence of a "sanitary zone" in the border area allows the Armed Forces of Ukraine to conduct artillery shelling of settlements in the Belgorod region, to carry out sabotage in the Kursk and Bryansk regions. Ukrainian strike drones are hitting Moscow and the Moscow region, including the super-elite Rublyovka. Naval drones of the Ukrainian Navy attack ships and coastal infrastructure of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy.

How long will the truce last in such worsening conditions? Will “drug addicts and Nazis” comply with the terms of the peace agreement with Moscow this time? We'll see.
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  1. +3
    2 August 2023 16: 26
    Will “drug addicts and Nazis” comply with the terms of the peace agreement with Moscow this time? We'll see.

    There will be no Minsk-3. The West wants this war to last forever. So that Russia is forever in diplomatic and economic isolation and that a large-scale military conflict lasts forever exhausting the country. They fight with someone else's hands. For them, this situation is just happiness.
  2. +1
    2 August 2023 16: 35
    He has no future - this is understandable. But it is also clear that there will be Minsk-3.
    1. +1
      2 August 2023 18: 53
      Not a fact, why Minsk 3 Americans? They have everything and everything is fine, if they only want to accept the border immediately into NATO - then yes, they will force them to sign some kind of piece of paper.
  3. 0
    2 August 2023 16: 52
    Minsk 3, would leave until tomorrow, what needs to be done now.
  4. +9
    2 August 2023 16: 53
    the Istanbul agreement answered this question - of course there will be, but not peace, but a truce that the Kiev ghoul will use to restore military potential, and in the Kremlin, as always, they will say that they were deceived
  5. +7
    2 August 2023 16: 58
    If secret protocols are revealed according to which:
    Zelensky received a safe-conduct
    do not touch the nest of neo-Nazism
    do not touch processing centers that pay mercenaries and for weapons
    do not touch the bridges on which Ukrainian oligarchs carry products to the EU
    do not cross the Orekhov-Ugledar line, beyond which there is a billion-dollar lithium deposit
    stabilize the consumer gas market in Ukraine
    surrendered Kherson, etc.

    then Putin is more likely to get impeached.
    For a while, you can plant and shut up generals, patriots ....
    But everything can change in one day.

    Erdogan gave the Nazis away, gives them weapons, and Putin, bending down, goes to bow to him.
    Didn't bend???
    To the country of NATO, with which Russia seems to be at war ...
    1. +3
      2 August 2023 17: 05
      You are right, but nothing will be revealed, everything will be kept secret, as it was with those pieces of paper that were signed in Istanbul, and in fact there was a real betrayal
  6. 0
    2 August 2023 18: 00
    Minsk-3 is a separate conspiracy, and attempts to conclude a separate truce and complete the NMD have been made repeatedly in Istanbul and Minsk. Many proposals for mediation come from a variety of state entities, including China from 11 points, on the basis of which the Russian Federation formulated its conditions from 7 points. The President of the Russian Federation constantly talks about openness to negotiations, i.е. to the conclusion of a separate truce. From this it follows that the initially declared goals - demilitarization, denazification, deprivation of Ukraine of statehood, the return of NATO to the borders of 1979 along the NVO have become irrelevant, because it is somehow illogical to negotiate with the Zalensky gang and the forces behind it to destroy itself.
  7. +1
    2 August 2023 18: 11
    Give yourself eight years to restore economic growth and build the power of the Armed Forces. This was the first task - and it was achieved.

    It's like that.
    Only all the opponents of the Minsk agreements somehow forget that both sides received 8 years.

    I looked at the statistics of Ukraine in these 8 years.
    There was nothing particularly positive about them.
    The population even officially decreased from 42.7 million (2015, already without Crimea) to 41.0 million
    Mechanical engineering was reduced, steel production was reduced.
    In moral terms, yes, the army at the beginning of 2022 was no longer the same as at the beginning of 2014.
    Well, it was no longer the same and at the beginning of 2015, the battles near Debaltseve were already fierce and stubborn.
    In terms of weapons, nothing serious was delivered to Ukraine until 2022.

    Yes, salaries have increased during this time. The people got more opportunities to work in the EU, and accordingly, there were no people left who wanted to work for 5 kopecks in their homeland, and they had to raise their salary.
    The nominal indicators of GDP were restored - due to the inflow of foreign currency from the citizens of Zrobit.
    GDP in 2022, by the way, did not sink so much, the service sector both worked and still works.
    But all this has little to do with the "power of the Armed Forces."
    What is now being delivered to Ukraine was in NATO warehouses in 2014.

    Meanwhile in Russia...
    I understand that the site is full of "patriots" for whom it is an axiom that nothing is being done in the Russian Federation, they only re-glue the nameplates and eat through the Soviet Heritage, and accordingly in 2022 there is less heritage left than it was in 2014, for 8 years they have eaten away a lot . (now they will give me minuses ...)

    However, in 2022, the Russian Federation turned out to be much more ready for sanctions than in 2014.
    - switched from a large net import of agriculture to a solid net export.
    - mastered the industrial production of catalysts for oil refining (and were not left without fuel)
    - we have adjusted our payment system, and disconnection from SWIFT and Visa/Mastercard had no effect on internal payments. By the way, and chips for cards, they have adjusted to do the same.
    - they introduced the power of Siberia, expanded the ESPO, created the Arctic LNG and their own technologies for the Arctic-LNG-2 - and as a result did not lose foreign exchange earnings.
    -replaced Ukrainian parts and components throughout the industry with their own. (by the way, a coincidence or not, but after that the accident rate of space launches decreased)
    -developed their own ports - Taman, Ust-Luga and others.
    - 3 more Boreas were introduced into the fleet, the number of Yars on duty increased from 33 in 2014 to 150 at the end of 2019, there are no later figures on the wiki.
    - in 2016 we mastered our own matrix for thermal imagers
    -all these 8 years they produced Shells, T-90, Su-3xx and so on.

    So who has used these 8 years better?
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    2. -1
      2 August 2023 19: 05
      A typical propagandist, of all of the above, only the creation of a banking infrastructure can be recorded. Which was done by Nabiullina and Co., which is an IMF agent for turbopatriots
      It’s good to make excuses and write fabulous epics. There is no analogue, Europe will freeze.
      For 8 years, the army, as it was for parades, has remained it. What can I say, if there is still a formation of personnel in the NVO zone, which is observed by enemy copters (there is a photo on the VO)

      Everything that effective managers did failed - armats, kurgans, su57 and other analogues. Everything that is mass-produced is Soviet technology.

      Matrix for thermal imagers, which France sold? Strongly)
      Borrei and Yars you are ours.
      1. +3
        2 August 2023 20: 10
        Quote from hellman anton
        Everything that effective managers did failed -

        here is a typical reaction of a kind of "patriot" who fiercely hates Russia.

        Listen to you - so it becomes obvious why Ukrainians lay down with bones, but do not want to fall under the "liberation" of effective managers.
        You fully confirm the version of propaganda coming out - like "Ukraine developed beautifully on the chosen Europe, including 8 years after Minsk, and Russia, capable of only eating away Soviet galoshes, attacked out of envy and malice ..."
  8. +2
    2 August 2023 23: 22
    For some reason, we always include our Wishlist, but for some reason we don’t want to soberly comprehend something. Well, we don't want to see the truth.
    What happened in 2014?! Rejection of the attack on Ukraine, rejection of the Russian Spring. And why? Because it threatened the political system of Russia. Now it's the same. So I think there will be a freeze, but before that it will be necessary to portray some kind of force. What will happen after this? I don't know, there are many options.
    1. 0
      3 August 2023 12: 33
      Quote: Vladimir 69
      So I think there will be a freeze, but before that it will be necessary to portray some kind of force. What will happen after this? I don't know, there are many options.

      Well, Putin said - if the Ukrainian authorities want to give Poland a zapukra, we will not object. And you should not think that this proposal will not be taken into account in Saudi Arabia on August 5-7.
  9. +1
    3 August 2023 00: 36
    Will “drug addicts and Nazis” comply with the terms of the peace agreement with Moscow this time?

    Of course not.
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  11. +1
    3 August 2023 08: 38
    Until the Russian army liberates all the territories of Ukraine up to Poland itself, Romania and to the very left bank of the Danube, there will be no peace
  12. +1
    3 August 2023 08: 39
    Minsk-3 may not be, but, what is even worse, it will probably be.
  13. +2
    3 August 2023 14: 49
    We have made too many political mistakes in Ukraine. If we once again agree to some kind of agreement, then we will completely lose Ukraine and have an adversary armed to the teeth along the entire border, whose main task will be to put an end to the Russian World once and for all.
  14. +2
    3 August 2023 14: 54
    Judging by the intellectual level of those who concluded Minsky, they will be fooled more than once.
  15. -1
    3 August 2023 15: 02
    Whether "Minsk-3" or "Vienna-1" or "Riyadh-3.0" will be entirely dependent on the course and results of the NWO, which in turn are determined by internal and external conditions ...
  16. +1
    3 August 2023 15: 05
    Does Minsk-3 have a future?

    There is no future for such a misunderstanding, but this does not guarantee that we will not agree to this surrender.
  17. 0
    9 August 2023 14: 26
    No matter how much anyone would like this, no matter how sad it may be, but this war (NVO) will inevitably end either in Minsk-3 or Khasavyurt-2 (as anyone likes). Neither side will achieve a military victory in this war, and the current state of affairs is proof of that. No one will have a victorious offensive either - this is also a fact. The tactics of the war of attrition, chosen by the GDP, will definitely not lead to the capitulation of the Zelensky regime. It's just that the West won't let it happen. Rather, Russia in the domestic political arena, taking into account the growth of inflation and unemployment - this can go sideways. Therefore, "peace", which essentially consists only in a ceasefire and does not suit any of the warring parties, is inevitable. Alas. And I think that by the end of autumn. How long, no one knows...