How ready is the Russian Black Sea Fleet for war?

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The special military operation in Ukraine has become a difficult test for the Russian army, revealing, unfortunately, a considerable number of its problems. At present, our Ground Forces have already gone a long way in increasing their real combat effectiveness, turning from a peacetime "ceremonial" army into a real one, able to withstand the most formidable enemy. But what about the Russian navy?

Challenges of time


It so happened historically that in the “great continental power” of Russia, the fleet has always been in last place in terms of priorities after the land army and aviation. After the collapse of the USSR, when quite modern warships went on needles or were sold abroad, this imbalance only intensified.



The problems in the Russian Navy were exacerbated when, after the events of 2014, Ukraine tripped up the Russian shipbuilding program by refusing to supply power plants for new frigates. This actually put an end to the continuation of the construction of Project 11356 frigates and greatly shifted to the right the timing of the launch of Project 22350/22350M frigates, which will have to become the main “workhorses” of the Russian Navy in the far sea and ocean zones. Under these conditions, a de facto "mosquitoization" of our navy took place, when the main stake had to be placed on corvettes and small missile ships, which are being built in large series.

These are the realities that must be taken into account when determining future trends. It was in this state that the Russian Navy approached a direct armed conflict with Ukraine and a proxy conflict with the NATO bloc in the Old World and US allies in the Asia-Pacific region.

Geographically, the Russian fleet is today divided into four fleets - the Northern and Pacific, Baltic and Black Sea, as well as one flotilla - the Caspian. The first two fleets are of strategic importance, since our few SSBNs carrying ICBMs are based there. The main task of the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet is to ensure the safe deployment of our submarine missile carriers, which are the most important component of the "nuclear triad". A potential enemy of the North Sea is the joint fleet of the NATO bloc, the Pacific - the Japan Self-Defense Forces and the US Navy.

What are the real combat missions of the Baltic Fleet, when the Baltic Sea has de facto become "inland" for the North Atlantic Alliance, Kaliningrad is an exclave, and the former GDR and the Baltic countries have turned from allies into potential adversaries, is not entirely clear. In addition to the joint fleet of the countries of the NATO bloc, the main threats to the DCBF are, rather, aviation of the North Atlantic Alliance and even the usual large-caliber cannon artillery of the Polish Army, with which it can sink our ships right at the base in Baltiysk.

Surprisingly, the Caspian Flotilla turned out to be not superfluous, famously delivering strikes with Caliber cruise missiles at the targets of terrorist groups in Syria. The fate of the Mediterranean squadron, which must be supplied through the straits controlled by Turkey and the NATO bloc, in the event of the outbreak of hostilities, was predetermined back in the Soviet period as "proudly die, taking with it as many enemies as possible." In reality, our Black Sea Fleet faced the biggest problems.

Threatening


During the NMD period, three warships sank in the Black Sea - the flagship missile cruiser "Moskva", the large landing ship "Saratov" and the tugboat "Vasily Bekh". Two more medium reconnaissance ships - Ivan Khurs and Azov Sea - were attacked by Ukrainian naval drones, but were able to fight back. The relatively weakly armed patrol ship Sergei Kotov also managed to safely escape from them. The main naval base of the Russian Navy in Sevastopol has been repeatedly attacked by air and sea drones of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Navy. There were also explosions at the airfield of the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy in the Crimea.

The main threats to ships and submarines of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation are as follows:

At first, these are ground-based anti-ship missiles "Neptune" and "Harpoon", which do not allow safe approach to the Ukrainian coast. There are only a few surface ships capable of intercepting low-flying anti-ship missiles in the Black Sea Fleet: Project 11356 frigates, as well as Project 22800 Karakurt, which has recently become part of it.

Secondly, these are naval drones, or unmanned boats, stuffed with powerful explosive charges, which turns them into remotely controlled fireships. It was they who were used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Ukrainian Navy in attacks on the Crimean bridge, the base of the Russian Navy in Sevastopol, as well as on reconnaissance and patrol ships. This is a very serious, dangerous type of weapon that can be used against both Russian warships and civilians. In addition, it should be remembered that Ukraine, with the help of British specialists, is working on attack underwater drones, which increases the level of threat in the Black Sea by an order of magnitude.

Thirdly, an even greater threat to the ships of the Russian Navy and coastal infrastructure will be posed by NATO fighters equipped with air-launched anti-ship missiles. The fact that sooner or later, but rather, sooner, they will appear in Kyiv, does not raise the slightest doubt. In addition, anti-submarine helicopters are dangerous for the Russian "Varshavyanka", some of which have been preserved in Ukraine, plus Western-made rotary-wing machines can be supplied.

Solutions


The fact that our fleet will have to fight really seriously in the Black Sea can be judged by the following statement by the Kyiv regime, made after Russia withdrew from the grain deal:

from July 21, 2023 00:00 Kyiv time, all ships in the Black Sea waters bound for the ports of the Russian Federation or temporarily occupied ports of Ukraine may be considered for risk assessment as ships carrying military cargo.

Obviously, the attacks on our warships will continue, and their intensity will only increase. In addition, there is a high probability that provocations against civilian courts will be carried out. On the one hand, Ukrainian drones can sink some peaceful dry cargo ship, after which the shipowners themselves will refuse to call at Russian ports. On the other hand, combat swimmers of the Naval Forces of Ukraine, trained by British specialists, can undermine a civilian ship in a mine setting, subsequently blaming Moscow for this. The goal is new anti-Russian sanctions and the legalization of the presence on the Black Sea, namely, in Odessa, of the Turkish navy for protection.

What can be done realistically to counteract?

First of all, a tough and impartial revision of the state of affairs in the Russian Navy with organizational conclusions regarding command is needed. Next, you need to prepare the fleet for war with a real enemy: start constantly conducting exercises to combat submarines, to intercept low-flying anti-ship missiles with air defense systems, so that the crews are ready for what they will have to really face. It is necessary to lay down a large series of small PLO corvettes based on RTOs of project 22800 "Karakurt" with increased displacement, to begin production of Be-200 seaplanes in the anti-submarine version.

With regard specifically to the Black Sea Fleet, it is necessary to intensify the actions of Naval Aviation: constant patrolling of the sea by PLO aircraft to detect enemy drones, escort of ships by fighter aircraft in order to avoid "unexpected ambush" by enemy aircraft, which will approach at low altitude and give a salvo of air-based anti-ship missiles.

It is quite obvious that in the unfavorable conditions in which the DCBF finds itself, it is necessary to start transferring part of its surface structure to the Black Sea along the internal river system. All the Baltic Karakurts, which have a decent sea-based air defense system, small anti-submarine and small landing ships, should be sent there. This will simultaneously strengthen the air defense / missile defense umbrella over the Black Sea Fleet, and will also give reason to hope for further offensive operations in the Black Sea region.
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  1. 0
    31 July 2023 16: 26
    It is quite obvious that in the unfavorable conditions in which the DCBF finds itself, it is necessary to start transferring part of its surface structure to the Black Sea along the internal river system. All the Baltic Karakurts, which have a decent sea-based air defense system, small anti-submarine and small landing ships, should be sent there.

    It is difficult to say immediately whether this is true or not. Naval warfare has many specifics. In the Baltic, large ships now look vulnerable. Moreover, it is necessary to keep the mosquito fleet there. So sending "Karakurts" is not a completely rational decision. But it may make sense to transport small landing ships to the Black Sea.
    The problem of strong air defense / anti-aircraft defense, as always, rests on displacement. Large ships are the target for the enemy. And you can’t squeeze decent air defense into small ones.
    That's what admirals exist to think.
    1. +3
      31 July 2023 19: 36
      in general, I support it, but you can easily squeeze the most decent air defense, for example, the C300, into a small ship, only there will be no room for calibers, but this is not a problem, they can also go in pairs, but rather four, air defense kprakurt, PLO karkurt, URO Karakurt and minesweeper , this is a pasture and a reliable frigate, and karurats go by rivers and canals between the seas, all the seas need to be equipped with karakurts of these types, and all frigates should be transferred to the oceans where karakurts are not convenient for the weather conditions of the sea
      1. 0
        1 August 2023 20: 38
        Good decision regarding Karakurt!
        1. 0
          1 August 2023 21: 39
          Thank you, only it is necessary that not only we, but the admirals understand this
    2. +1
      31 July 2023 23: 33
      The fate of the Russian Federation is now decided not in the Baltic
      1. +1
        1 August 2023 06: 58
        The word "now" is decisive.
        Can you calculate the position and actions of Poland for the next few months? And Tribaltov with Finland?
        1. +1
          1 August 2023 22: 06
          And how will BF help in this situation? When was the last time the Baltic Fleet of our country (RI / USSR / RF) played a significant role precisely as a fleet, and not as a supplier of revolutionary sailors, immobile artillery batteries, which were warships? The same, if not to a greater extent, applies to the Black Sea Fleet. Both of these fleets are too easy to lock up and neutralize, which has been repeatedly demonstrated with success by our opponents. And if this was already implemented, when the coastline of Russia in the Baltic and the Black Sea was 50 percent of its total length, then what can we say about now? It is generally just right to rename the BF into the fleet of the Marquis Puddle.
          1. -1
            2 August 2023 05: 53
            The fact that the USSR Fleet was not up to par does not mean that the Fleet is not needed. The Baltic needs RTOs with Caliber in service. Large ships can be transferred to the Black Sea. Precisely because there is nowhere to turn around in the Baltic.
            Locking up and neutralizing the Black Sea Fleet is quite difficult. And landing ships are needed here. And in general, a full-fledged Fleet is needed on the Black Sea.

            Returning to the first post. Where exactly

            decide the fate of Russia

            You cannot say. Because there are no psychics. And the geopolitical situation in the north can change very quickly. And Russia cannot do without naval Calibers with a range of 2500 km in the Baltic.
            1. +3
              2 August 2023 19: 48
              And Russia cannot do without naval Calibers with a range of 2500 km in the Baltic.

              And what exactly is the meaning of them in the Baltic? In principle, they were needed when the treaty banning intermediate and shorter-range land-based missiles was in effect. Now the treaty is dead, and no one bothers to deploy land-based analogues of Caliber, which will be much more stable (dispersal, camouflage) of sea carriers, which will be taken for escort as soon as they appear to the west of Kronstadt.
              It would make sense if we talk about the delivery of missiles to the launch point much closer to the territory of a potential enemy, but in peacetime this does not make sense, and in wartime - all these RTOs will be drowned as soon as they come out from under the coastal air defense / missile defense umbrella. And in Baltiysk they will not even be drowned with missiles, but with MLRS from the territory of Poland. There, in the current situation, no missile ships, even small ones, can be kept at all - these are defenseless targets. Only escort boats are needed there, for symbolic escort of civilian transports to the exclave, well, maybe minesweepers.
              And as for the landing ships on the Black Sea, which are shot through by coastal-based complexes, I don’t even want to discuss. We are able to imagine any consequences of someone's blatant incompetence as a feat, but several battalions of marines can be used smarter than sent to the bottom after the "Moscow", not even giving the opportunity to shoot at the enemy.
              1. -2
                2 August 2023 21: 50
                Small ships are small because there can be many of them. If you follow your logic, then none are needed at all. Well, except for the "symbolic accompaniment."
                They have short-range air defense systems. But in the Falklands War, the British came to the conclusion that this was not enough. And they used a bunch of type 21 and type 42. That is, a destroyer frigate.
                In the Marquise puddle, you can use the C300 bundle on the shore and the Pantsir on Karakurt. There would be a desire and working out on maneuvers. And if such air defense works, then Karakurt will become a very big headache for all the Baltic countries.
                By the way, the Baltic Fleet exercises are underway right now.

                A full-fledged Fleet is needed on the Black Sea. with different ships. Do not forget about Varshavyanki. And small landing ships are very useful. BDK for the "Syrian Express", and Zubram can also find work.
                1. +2
                  5 August 2023 20: 08
                  Quote: Bakht
                  none are needed at all. Well, except for the "symbolic accompaniment."
                  They have short-range air defense systems. But in the Falklands War, the British came to the conclusion that this was not enough. And they used a bunch of type 21 and type 42. That is, a destroyer frigate.

                  you confused the Atlantic Ocean with a marquise puddle, I explain! its ocean is wider and deeper and, unlike the Baltic, it is inaccessible to most coastal missiles, that is, it is true that almost no surface ships except ships of the third rank to escort dry cargo ships and tankers (a minesweeper and an MPK will do) are needed not only in the Baltic, but also in black, caspian and japanese sea, it's obvious!!!!! all corvettes frigates destroyer and cruiser need to be removed from these puddles and urgently
                  1. 0
                    9 August 2023 08: 18
                    This is your phrase

                    all corvettes frigates destroyer and cruiser need to be removed from these puddles and urgently

                    That's mine

                    In the Baltic, large ships now look vulnerable. Moreover, it is necessary to keep the mosquito fleet there.

                    Do you just want to argue? You do not understand what the opponent writes. Just the Marquis puddle and the Atlantic, I do not confuse. In the Atlantic, the British used a bunch of frigate-destroyers. Did I suggest the same? I proposed a bunch of coastal air defense systems - Pantsir on Karakurt.

                    We have a disagreement only on the Black Sea. They need a fleet to implement the "Syrian Express"
          2. +1
            2 August 2023 09: 20
            Quote: UAZ 452
            When was the last time the Baltic Fleet of our country (RI / USSR / RF) played a significant role precisely as a fleet

            In the XVIII century.
            and then so-so results.

            Already at the beginning of the XNUMXth, in another good-neighborly war, they gave up on the fleet and entered the territory of Sweden on the ice of the bay + bypassing, which won the war.
            1. -2
              3 August 2023 09: 08
              Suggest to repeat?
  2. +7
    31 July 2023 16: 57
    The best air defense is tanks at the enemy airfield, the victory of the fleet on the Black Sea is the capture of Odessa and Nikolaev, an additional couple of three ships deployed from the Baltic will not make the weather if you sit on the defensive at the bases. For a perspective, in order to resist Turkey, a fleet built directly on the Black Sea is needed, they may not be allowed through the straits.
    1. +5
      31 July 2023 19: 41
      Under the Union in Kerch, Crimea, Super tankers with a displacement of 180 thousand tons were built at the Zaliv plant, a total of 6 were built, the last in 1980, minesweepers and other ships were also built for the military. Now the Zaliv plant is in working order, a warship has recently been built and handed over, so it is possible to arrange the production of any ships. In Feodosia and Sevastopol, there are also shipbuilding factories, if you wish and have the opportunity, everything can be built. And then Erdogan is a NATO member, a corrupt bastard, he has no faith, will block the strait and land paddles at the behest of the United States.
    2. +1
      31 July 2023 23: 34
      Due to the prevailing realities, this is impossible.
    3. +2
      1 August 2023 00: 33
      Quote: Hammer 75
      a fleet built directly on the Black Sea is needed

      Well, for this, Nikolaev would not hurt, in the days of the USSR they even began to build an aircraft carrier there, it looked really impressive.
    4. 0
      1 August 2023 20: 46
      Here we need to carefully look at what shipbuilding capacities we have near the Black Sea!
  3. +2
    31 July 2023 19: 30
    I fully support the respected author, only from the Baltic it is necessary to introduce not only karakurts to strengthen the Black Sea Fleet, where the NWO is now, but also bring all the frigates corvettes and the destroyer of their ships to the north, in addition to this, it is necessary to strengthen the Black Sea Fleet with a couple of corvettes from the CFL, you still need to strengthen Kamchatka due to the unnecessary fleet of the Sea of ​​\u200b\uXNUMXbJapan. In general, all surface ships of the second and even more so the first rank should be ONLY in Kamchatka and the Northern Fleet, the fleet needs to strengthen coastal missile systems everywhere, and coastal aviation, I agree with the author’s idea to urgently build BEXNUMX PLO aircraft, they need a lot
  4. +2
    31 July 2023 19: 50
    It is necessary to lay a large series of small PLO corvettes based on RTOs of project 22800 Karakurt with increased displacement

    At the World Cup, more sense from enhanced air defense. PLO needed in the north and east.
    1. +3
      31 July 2023 21: 49
      Well, if you do not conduct landing operations along the Ukrainian coast and do not block the coast, then PLO is not needed. Is the Black Sea Fleet needed then? Air defense is easier. By the way, from Sevastopol to Odessa 250 km. Radars from the Crimean mountains and the coast quietly shine through the entire distance to the Ukrainian coast. The question is in the organization of air defense. It is clear that 100% air defense does not happen, but still ....
      1. +3
        1 August 2023 00: 35
        Without a fleet, however, it will be difficult to block access to ships with weapons going to the ports of Ukraine.
      2. 0
        1 August 2023 08: 30
        I agree on closed seas and air defense and anti-aircraft defense and URO it is more convenient to provide from the coast, ships have enough close air defense there, all the more so in general the use of surface ships in these waters is difficult, however, parquet admirals scattered almost the entire fleet through these puddles (crime / betrayal), leaving Kamchatka is almost uncovered, and the northern fleet, in my opinion, is not sufficiently developed in view of its most important tasks for the preservation of the state and world security, I think that Russia only needs to have two fleets that are powerful and developed in all respects (submarines, coastal stredsva, coastal aviation surface ships) , this is the north and Kamchatka, and sea areas should have fleets exclusively from ships of the third rank and coastal systems (the Black Sea Fleet and the Sea of ​​​​Japan also need nuclear submarines), then the naval system will become functional, harmonious and logical and gain combat effectiveness, cease to be a random set of any ships weak and small, wherever they are, inappropriate for combat missions and dysfunctional useless tools for cutting allowances
      3. +1
        1 August 2023 19: 29
        Quote: Alexey Lan
        Well, if you do not conduct landing operations along the Ukrainian coast and do not block the coast

        In this case, everything that is possible to launch will fly over the ships. Not an option.

        Quote: Alexey Lan
        Is the Black Sea Fleet needed then?

        Needed to protect your coast and actions at a distance from the coast of the enemy.
      4. 0
        2 August 2023 17: 19
        And what does this light provide?
      5. -1
        5 August 2023 20: 19
        Quote: Alexey Lan
        Is the Black Sea Fleet needed then?

        it is obvious that the bulky, useless, useless Black Sea Fleet, in the form it is now, is not needed and is even harmful because it cuts the budgets needed by land, missile, space, aviation, and the northern fleet ... the optimal composition of the Black Sea Fleet is 6 NPLs, 6 BDKs (these are arms transports peacetime) a dozen minesweepers, 4 BUYAN M, 4 karakurt, Dugong Chamois, boats, but a lot of coastal missiles and coastal aviation of all kinds, aircraft, and preferably 4 karkurt PLO (MPK) and 4 karkurt air defense .... everything else on north! with CFL both corvettes to the NORTH! the entire BF except for ships of the third rank and except for the BDK to the north! the entire fleet of the Sea of ​​​​Japan, except for a pair of diesel-electric submarines and large landing ships, and in addition to ships of the third rank to Kamchatka!
  5. +2
    31 July 2023 20: 04
    The level of combat readiness of the Black Sea Fleet is determined by the Moskva missile cruiser.
    If you fight with the goal of a complete victory over Ukraine, with the subsequent annexation of the territory of Ukraine to Russia, then the Black Sea Fleet must be strengthened.
    Drive ships and submarines to the Azov and Black Seas through the internal channel. Vessels with a length of 100 - 120 meters, it is clear that wiring will require time and preparation. The question is whether the Russian Federation has ships and submarines that can be overtaken.
    1. +1
      5 August 2023 20: 25
      Quote: vlad127490
      The question is whether the Russian Federation has ships and submarines that can be overtaken.

      only ships of the third rank are easily transferred by inland waterways. there are many of them uselessly chilling in the Baltic and Caspian
      1. 0
        6 August 2023 13: 17
        Agree. The Black Sea needs submarines (Varshavyanka), destroyers, patrol ships. As long as it's warm. All ships can be transferred from the Baltic Fleet and Northern Fleet through the internal channels of the Russian Federation. You can also overtake the Northern Sea Route from the Pacific Fleet, until mid-September or the southern one, but this is 2-3 months and we will get into winter. Everything can be done, only the Kremlin has no desire.
    2. 0
      6 August 2023 18: 11
      Quote: vlad127490
      Vessels with a length of 100 - 120 meters, it is clear that wiring will require time and preparation. The question is whether the Russian Federation has ships and submarines that can be overtaken.

      length is not as important as draft
  6. -3
    1 August 2023 06: 02
    Reflections of an amateur who is poorly versed in naval affairs. (((
  7. +1
    1 August 2023 20: 25
    The main task of the Russian Black Sea Fleet is to prevent NATO ships from entering the Black Sea, we do not take Turkey into account, they will cope with this, well, with drones too, it’s true that both sailors and developers will have to sweat! lol
    1. +1
      5 August 2023 20: 27
      Quote: Mikhail Dadeko
      The main task of the Russian Black Sea Fleet is to prevent NATO ships from entering the Black Sea, we do not take Turkey into account,

      an excellent task for TU 160, and TU 95, as well as for coastal missiles
  8. +3
    1 August 2023 20: 31
    What are the exercises on the Russian Black Sea Navy? We do not have a fleet on the Black Sea. It is necessary, it is necessary to build very quickly and in very, very huge quantities unmanned warships capable of carrying 500 kg or even more live ammunition. The future belongs to unmanned aerial vehicles both in the sky and on the sea and land.
    And yet, not only marine unmanned, but it is also very important to do this for rivers. For example, the Dnieper, the border with Ukraine.
  9. +1
    5 August 2023 08: 37
    it is necessary to serve a prayer service in all of Russia, then the evil spirit will retreat!