Why Turkey needed to buy Russian Be-200 seaplanes

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It is reported that our great “friend and partner”, President Erdogan, expressed to his colleague Putin a wish to acquire two or three Be-200 amphibious aircraft in order to increase the efficiency of extinguishing forest fires in Turkey. Recall that Russian flying boats in the fire-fighting version are constantly helping the Sultan, but on a leasehold basis, and now he wants to buy them. Is it worth it to give him such a favor?

The Be-200 is a unique amphibious aircraft in terms of its tactical and technical characteristics, the huge market potential of which has not yet been fully explored. To understand the issue, you should delve a little into the history of domestic flying boats of this family.



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It just so happened that the main purpose of seaplanes is traditionally military. The experience of the Second World War showed how urgently needed aircraft of this class for long-range naval reconnaissance, patrolling, hunting for enemy submarines, bombing, setting minefields and even transporting troops. During the Great Patriotic War, the main load fell on American amphibious aircraft supplied to the USSR under Lend-Lease, but it was obvious that the country needed its own flying boats.

The first domestic military seaplane was the Be-6, operated from 1949 until the end of the 60s of the last century. The amphibian carried two torpedoes, bombs in the amount of 8 to 16 pieces on a suspension and five guns, as well as special equipment for aerial photography. In the Be-6SS version, the aircraft was used for rescue service, the Be-6PLO was used for anti-submarine warfare, and the Be-6 Liner was used to communicate with submerged submarines. The amphibian came to friendly China under the name Qing-6.

To replace the aging Be-6 in the sixties of the last century, the Be-12 Chaika was developed, which, by the way, is still in operation. At the time of its creation, the seaplane was the largest in the world, and an impressive 143 pieces were produced in total. Many different modifications were developed: search and rescue, fire fighting, transport and passenger, research, but the main one, of course, is the military one. In the anti-submarine version, the Chaika carried torpedoes, mines and bombs, including even nuclear ones, designed to destroy submarines and dropped by parachute. Until now, several "Seagulls" are serving in the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy.

To replace the Be-12, the world's largest jet seaplane Be-42 was developed, which later received the name A-40 Albatross. It was originally designed as a multi-purpose, but its main purpose was still anti-submarine warfare. These amphibious aircraft were supposed to find and destroy American and NATO submarines with anti-submarine torpedoes and bombs in any part of the world, at any time of the day and in any weather. On a prototype created in the late eighties, 148 world records were set.

Unfortunately, the project was closed in 2012 due to lack of funding in those "fat years". However, in 2016, the military department again started talking about the need to resume production of Albatross to replace the aged Chaikas. For comparison: the combat load of the Be-12 is 1,5 tons, but for the A-40 it reaches 6,5 tons. This jet-powered seaplane, which has a huge range, can carry a variety of equipment to search for enemy submarines, as well as three anti-submarine torpedoes or six missiles, anti-submarine or even anti-ship. The military potential for naval aviation is simply colossal, and there are also options for the civilian use of the Albatross.

That's just talk about the revival of the A-40, alas and ah, so far they have remained talk. Apparently, in the foreseeable future, this seaplane in the sky and at sea is not worth waiting for, therefore it is worth focusing on what is real.

Be-200


The Be-200 "Altair", in fact, is a smaller version of the "Albatross", embodying its main technical solutions and features. This is a fairly modern development; the seaplane began to operate in 2003.

The Be-200 is a real multi-tank aircraft, it is used both as a firefighting aircraft, and as a search and rescue, and as a patrol aircraft. It actively puts out fires around the world, and periodically even in Russia, showing really very high efficiency and causing envy of those who do not have such a seaplane. The states of Southeast Asia, located on numerous islands of the archipelagos, are eyeing the Be-200 as a potential main transport and passenger aircraft.

But for some reason, when it was created, they completely forgot about the military, namely the anti-submarine version. Yes, its speed and range, as well as the potential combat load, are noticeably less than those of the Albatross, but there are no special alternatives. PLO's Altairs are needed by the Russian Navy's MA, which can now rely only on a few obsolete Chaikas, as well as the aging and few anti-submarine Il-38 and Tu-142. Why didn't Russia flood the world market with its unique seaplanes?

Yes, because the Ukrainian partners planted a big pig for us by refusing to supply D-436 engines from Motor Sich. Neither the Be-200 nor the short-haul Tu-334 liners can be produced without them. Under the conditions of Western and Ukrainian sanctions, the main hope is now placed on the PD-8 engine, the younger brother of the PD-14. Its “wetted” version will make it possible to start serial production of Be-200 seaplanes, and the regular version will allow remotorization of the imported Superjet. Now here in line for a new power plant the military transport Il-112V and, quite likely, the short-haul Il-114-300, unified with it in terms of engines, got up.

How Permians will meet such demand is a big question that requires a separate discussion. We will return to President Erdogan's desire to purchase two or three Be-200s, ostensibly to reduce operating costs when extinguishing fires in his country. Something tells us that Turkish specialists will simply dismantle the Russian seaplanes for screws, carefully study them, and then buy a license for D-436 engines from their Kiev partners and begin to mass-produce the “Turkish” Russian Be-200s in civilian and military modifications. What do you think, Elon Musk?
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  1. -2
    21 July 2023 11: 57
    Ha.
    The killer of the pilots could have bought the SU57, but he did not.

    And with the Be-200 - misunderstandings. According to VIKI, there are only 16 of them made in the 2000s, relatively many were ordered by foreigners, the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Emergencies, but ... they didn’t write about completed orders, but wrote about courts and terminations of contracts.
    Here is an interview from 2023: Creator of the Be-200 Yavkin amphibious aircraft:

    The situation in aviation is close .....
  2. 0
    21 July 2023 13: 02
    It will be about the same as in the last paragraph. But probably this order will leave our country without aircraft for some time.
  3. +4
    21 July 2023 18: 58
    Something tells us that Turkish specialists will simply dismantle the Russian seaplanes for screws, carefully study them, and then buy a license for D-436 engines from their Kiev partners and begin to mass-produce the “Turkish” Russian Be-200s in civilian and military modifications.

    Avtr forgot to mention the main Achilles heel of amphibians - the price! All potential operators want in droves, lick their lips ... but - powerful does not pull! For their main body components are not made of aluminum alloys, but of expensive stainless steel, because. constantly operating at sea. This is the first.
    The second is to simply disassemble it into screws, make parts and assemble ... this is not how airplanes fly. we need a school of their production, from beginning to end, the experience of many generations. In this case, hydroplane construction. Who the hell where and who teaches ... In Russia, they know how. But, the places of competence are scattered over dozens of places in Russia, try to collect ...;)
    And finally - the most beautiful and my favorite amphibious hydroplane - LA-8



    Like the Be family, it can take off / land from both water and land like a regular plane ...
    1. +1
      21 July 2023 22: 58
      LA-8 is to fly fishing.
  4. +1
    21 July 2023 21: 39
    No matter how the cockroach slowed down our planes under a far-fetched pretext.
  5. 0
    22 July 2023 06: 01
    Quote: Pacer
    The second is to simply disassemble it into screws, make parts and assemble ... this is not how airplanes fly. we need a school of their production, from beginning to end, the experience of many generations.

    The B-29 was disassembled by screw, and the TU-4 was assembled. What a school and experience! laughing lol (Awkward joke)
  6. +3
    22 July 2023 09: 20
    the author touched on a topical topic, our Navy is in a deplorable sototoyan and, there are only two tasks for the Navy: 1 the presence of SSBNs and submarines, 2 ensuring the stability of submarines near bases, which requires primarily PMO and PLO, unfortunately the Gorshkov admirals thinking in categories of the 19th century, everyone advocates large surface ships, the development of PMO is not enough, it is necessary to increase the production of minesweepers many times, even worse in PLO, a significant part SSBNs in Kamchatka are provided by ONE !!! PLO aircraft, and even the old one, Russia has not built ANY ONE !!!!! PLO aircraft, very old products of the USSR fly, although they are being modernized. The release of the new PD8 aircraft engine sets the country the task of mass production of PLO BE200 aircraft, its advantage is the ability to take off and land not only on concrete, but also on water, which can make it possible to get away from radars at sea and save the lives of crews, it is three times cheaper than ms21, in general, its slightly higher price than land analogues, the price should not be frightening, because they don’t save on armaments, especially since the Taganrog plant is not very busy, this will provide new jobs and increase wages from for mass production ...... give BE200 PLO in series !!!!!
    1. +1
      26 July 2023 17: 40
      We are fine. Look at the Kremlin - they live
  7. 0
    22 July 2023 14: 07
    Be-6 became the first domestic military seaplane

    - the author, where did you write off the MBR-2, the "barn" went through the whole war and riveted more than a thousand of them, and there were also KOR-1 and KOR-2. The author forgot in the historical reference and the jet Be-10, although an unsuccessful machine, you can’t throw words out of the song.

    the huge market potential of which is still not fully disclosed.

    - it’s their own fault, the Chinese are so tired of waiting for the supplies of the Be-200 that they managed to build their own seaplane, though turboprop and four-engine, but the payload and range are greater.

    that Turkish experts will simply dismantle Russian seaplanes into cogs

    - For what? what is secret in the Be-200? And who knows what planes Türkiye produces? (we don't count UAVs)
  8. 0
    22 July 2023 16: 35
    just said in the moment, but there will be no action
  9. 0
    23 July 2023 09: 10
    And we like to sell all sorts of sweets to absolutely unreliable, and even openly hostile "partners". You need to communicate very carefully with this same sultan, and you definitely shouldn’t sell the BE-200 to him. Let them buy the AG-600 from the Japanese, and do whatever they want with it.
  10. 0
    23 July 2023 10: 53
    Quote: Alexander Vasiliev_2
    Quote: Pacer
    The second is to simply disassemble it into screws, make parts and assemble ... this is not how airplanes fly. we need a school of their production, from beginning to end, the experience of many generations.

    The B-29 was disassembled by screw, and the TU-4 was assembled. What a school and experience! laughing lol (Awkward joke)

    Quite a dumb joke! Well, of course, for those who truly understand! :)