Why Russia and Ukraine are “pregnant with war” with each other

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Despite the fact that the SVO in Ukraine has been going on for almost a year and a half, no one, neither the Russians, nor the Ukrainians, nor the civilians nor the military, has yet received a clear answer as to where, when and how the special operation should end. The lack of understanding and public consensus on this issue is a very serious demotivating factor for the warring people and those who support them, since it is very important to know why exactly a soldier goes to storm the next fortified area.

After SVO


Recently, adviser to the head of the office of the President of Ukraine Mikhail Podolyak undertook to speculate on the topic of how and when the Russian special operation could end. At the same time, he named three basic scenarios.



First - this is a military victory of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the subsequent dominance of Ukraine in the region. Had something like this been said by a public person in Kyiv a couple of years ago, he would have been ridiculed here. It's not so funny today. After the start of the NMD, it suddenly became clear that the Ukrainian army was much better prepared for war than the Russian one, since it had been continuously participating in the so-called ATO in Donbas for eight years. As of February 24, 2022, XNUMX servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine had real combat experience. Now behind Kiev there is a whole international coalition of more than fifty countries that provide the Ukrainian army with a comprehensive militarytechnical support.

The RF Armed Forces actually fought on the ground for the last time against Georgia in 2008, and the whole war then took five days. Some combat experience was gained in 2014 and 2015 by units and subunits of the "north wind", which helped the people's militia of Donbass close the "boilers" and smash the enemy. Back then it was still a relatively simple task. Significant combat experience was gained by the Russian Aerospace Forces during the operation in Syria, where they supported the SAR government troops in the fight against terrorists. An important nuance was that the "barmaley", unlike the Ukrainian army, were not armed with modern air defense systems.

In fact, the most combat-ready units and subunits taking part in the SVO on our side turned out to be Wagner PMCs, who fought in Syria, other countries of the Middle East and Africa directly on the ground, and the People's Militia of the DPR and LPR. Today, after almost a year and a half of the special operation, the entire Russian army has received real combat experience, coordination and interaction between various branches of the military have become noticeably better. There are still some supply problems, but the RF Armed Forces are now fighting much better and more efficiently and can become one of the best armies in the world in the future. It would seem, what kind of military victory for Ukraine then can we talk about at all?

Unfortunately, quite recently, our front almost crumbled, and not because of the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but from a blow from the rear. This, of course, is about the rebellion of the Wagner PMC, which, if successful, could lead to the most serious consequences, including the decapitation of the top military leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense, with whom the "musicians" went to deal with weapons in their hands, the refusal of a number of national republics to recognize the new " provisional government”, the unauthorized removal of registered volunteers from their positions and the departure with weapons in their hands back to their regions, the rapid fragmentation of a huge country.

It worked out. But the main conclusion is this: a military defeat cannot be ruled out, and its main causes will lie not so much at the front as in the rear. It is obvious that the enemy will not doze off and will try to take advantage of the internal Russian “Trouble”.

Second script is the military victory of Russia over Ukraine. This is what patriotic Russians and sane Ukrainians want to end the war and bring peace. That's just with a victorious attitude in our "tops" everything is not easy.

On the one hand, there is no image of the post-war future for Ukraine and its people that could be voiced out loud. What then to do with the occupied territory, with the disloyal population? To join Russia or not, if so, within what borders? Who and how will restore the destruction? There are still plenty of such questions, but there are no answers from those in power to them.

On the other hand, a logical question arises: do they, those in power, need this Ukraine at all? Since 2014, there has been a strong impression that the so-called “Party of Peace” does not need Kyiv, Kharkov, Odessa or Lvov for nothing. The main interest of the Russian “elite” of this sort lies in the return and preservation of their capital and other assets withdrawn from the country and carefully placed in the West. For them, the territories of the former Nezalezhnaya liberated by Russian soldiers are only a bargaining chip in political bargaining, and you can’t cook porridge with them.

It is obvious that while there is no clarity on the project of the post-war future of Ukraine and until the issue with the "party of peace" is resolved, we will see more than one "strangeness" in the special operation.

Third scenario, directly following from the logic of the second, is the freezing of the conflict and the creation of a certain line of demarcation. This is the so-called "Minsk-3", which bears all the vices of "Minsk-1" and "Minsk-2", since it cannot organically ensure peace. The problem is that Russia and Ukraine, since 2014, are “pregnant with war” with each other.

A military clash became predetermined after Moscow annexed the Crimea and Sevastopol, without obtaining the consent of official Kyiv. After last year's referendums, when the DPR, LPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions also became part of the Russian Federation, the problem has only increased in scale. It was especially aggravated after the Kiev regime regained control over Kherson and the right-bank territories of the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov, which are officially part of the Russian Federation.

Now Ukraine will be forced to fight further for the return of Donbass, Azov and Crimea, and Russia will have to recapture at least Zaporozhye and Kherson, de-occupying the “new” regions. No "Minsk-3" will solve the problem, but will only aggravate it, giving the Armed Forces of Ukraine time for further preparations. Consequently, in order to get out of the strategic impasse, it is necessary to reconsider the goals and objectives of the NMD for more decisive ones and work out a sane project for the post-war reorganization of Ukraine.
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  1. 0
    18 July 2023 19: 14
    Because the Antichrist tells the “chosen” so, and we are in a dark circle without God and there is no way out,

    I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and I will reject the reason of the prudent

    (1 Corinthians 1:19)
  2. 0
    18 July 2023 19: 47
    I don’t want to offend the author, but Ukraine has been occupied by the Anglo-Saxons for more than 15 years and this is a fact controlled by them, hence it follows. that the war should go for the liberation of Ukraine from the Anglo-Saxons and their influence, respectively, and victory will come only after at least Great Britain capitulates. In turn, victory is impossible without causing unacceptable damage to the enemy, that is, we need strikes on Britain itself, and it is useless to hit Ukrainians, because for the Anglo-Saxons there is no difference between crests and Russians and the more we die, the better they are
  3. +1
    18 July 2023 20: 13
    There are many statements, including by Putin, that Ukraine is part of the territory of Russia, which, for well-known reasons, after the war received UN membership, and in 1991 after the collapse of the USSR, was officially recognized as an independent state, despite the fact that this happened contrary to the current Law "On the Procedure for Secession of the Union Republics from the USSR" It is necessary to withdraw our recognition of Ukraine, and fight for the restoration of Russia's borders. Variants of struggle can be different, including armed struggle.
    1. +2
      18 July 2023 22: 27
      Can you sanely explain why it is necessary to revoke the recognition of ONLY Ukraine as a sovereign state? Did other republics leave the USSR somehow differently? And the Kazakh ASSR was simply pulled out of the RSFSR in 36, like Crimea in 54. Kazakhstan must first of all, like Crimea, be returned.
  4. +2
    18 July 2023 20: 55
    There is a lot of talk about secret protocols signed in Istanbul.
    Were they really?

    The surrender of Kherson, bridges across the Dnieper for logistics to Ukrainian oligarchs, standing in front of the Shevchenkovsky lithium field for a year and a half, stabilization of the gas market in Ukraine, preservation of Ukrainian processing centers through which mercenaries receive loot ....
    Wagner, the generals do not just get mad, including from bound hands and feet.
    Why is the Surovikin Line not beyond Kherson?
    The Armed Forces of Ukraine did not even have shells then.

    Here the situation is repeated.
    The Armed Forces of Ukraine again have a shortage of shells and ... they don’t even talk about the liberation of Russian territory.
    The Russian media is in total chaos.
    Do you know who blew up the Crimean bridge? - Radicals! And it's official.
    Medvedev is talking about some terrorists...
    Did the terrorists attack Sevastopol and the Crimean bridge?
    Ie Russia is at war with terrorists?
    Does Ukraine have the status of a terrorist country? - No!
    And if the radicals blew it up, is it like football fans or what?

    Or has the Nest of neo-Nazism on Bankovaya been removed from the agenda in the Kremlin?
    Radicals, terrorists, neo-Nazis - isn't it too much confusion?
    Or a war with NATO?

    And no one knows what and where the victory in the NWO is.
    The village of Ugledar - 10 thousand people. They've been attacking for a year and a half.
    Maybe there are immortal cyborgs, what kind of aliens?
    Only the generals say that no fortress can stand without water, weapons, supplies.
    So why is there endless traffic and logistics?
    Or the underground to London, straight from Ugledar?

    Or why Russia does not impose sanctions against Western arms suppliers.
    Not against one. Or are they buyers of Russian aluminum?
    And you watch that Biden shut up about oil ....
    Isn't Putin flooding the US with oil through gaskets?
    And Russian LNG will not save the heat pole in Europe?
    That is, they are open to killing Russians, and Putin, so that they travel comfortably
    and the air conditioners turned on without overload .....

    This is not a war.
    This is a hookah in the Kremlin and Peskov, which sometimes runs out into clean air.
    If you wanted to win, you won.
    If they wanted to liberate Russian territory, they did.
    And there would have been fewer victims among both Russians and Ukrainians.
    But the madmen in Russia, Ukraine, the USA, the EU have the excitement of a player.
    And no one can hit them in the head to come to their senses and understand that this is not Doom.
  5. +2
    18 July 2023 22: 31
    In fact, it has happened more than once, only in other words ...

    clash became predetermined

    Well. The Kremlin has driven itself into a trap. And Lavrov is by no means famous for his diplomatic victories.
    And the generals with Shoigu are not famous for their brilliant military operations.
    And the Kremlin is known for its far from strong promises kept, industrialization and import substitution...

    Negative selection, in a nutshell....
  6. 0
    18 July 2023 22: 37
    Ukraine will collapse - sooner or later. The working-age population is likely to flee. We will get a ruined country. Only the clearance of which will take more than one year. Which will need to be restored, being under sanctions. And feed the pensioners and the disabled. The West will not give a cent. Yes, and China too - it hurt, it hurt. In general, the world does not need Ukrainian food, just like steel and coal. And Russia doesn't need them either. They will simply create unnecessary competition for our farmers, metallurgists and coal miners. We have overproduction in these positions. We dump ourselves in order to sell. So without hatred. It will be hard.
  7. +2
    19 July 2023 00: 01
    The third scenario is most likely to be realized
    1. 0
      19 July 2023 00: 53
      if you look at the line of hostilities with an unclouded eye, it is obvious that the third scenario has already been implemented since the fall of last year. yes formally there is something going on, but in fact it is not. it is clear that this is not just so, behind-the-scenes negotiations are underway on the parameters of maintaining power, Ukraine's entry into NATO / EU, division of territories, sanctions, money, etc.
  8. +1
    19 July 2023 02: 33
    Unfortunately, quite recently, our front almost crumbled, and not because of the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but from a blow from the rear. This, of course, is about the rebellion of the Wagner PMC, which, if successful, could lead to the most serious consequences, including the decapitation of the top military leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense, with whom the "musicians" went to deal with weapons in their hands, the refusal of a number of national republics to recognize the new " provisional government”, the unauthorized removal of registered volunteers from their positions and the departure with weapons in their hands back to their regions, the rapid fragmentation of a huge country.

    Probably there is not a single article where the author does not emphasize this.

    Unfortunately, quite recently, our front almost crumbled, and not because of the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but from a blow from the rear.

    It wasn't even close.
  9. 0
    20 July 2023 00: 19
    The Kremlin was counting on the sanity of Kyiv. The Kremlin was counting on "Medvedchuk", whoever it was. The Kremlin was counting on the sanity of the Ukrainians themselves. In fact, none of this happened, and therefore the Kremlin got into trouble. Hence the strange denazification with demilitarization, and no less strange SVO. The Kremlin has no plan, everything is going as the curve will take out. To openly declare war on the West, which in fact is, the Kremlin cannot, because this is lll MV. It seems to me that Russia will be left with what it can take, the rest they in the Kremlin hope to make a quasi-state, a gray zone, a stump no one needs. The main thing is that without an army and without NATO. How long this will take is unknown. And if they can, the "tops" will never really fight. And the "new Russian" territories will be made simply Russian, gradually. As we progress. And every day it will become more and more incomprehensible.