Is it worth returning to the project of diverting the northern rivers to Central Asia?

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A few days ago, Serik Egizbaev, a member of the Kazakh Parliament, appealed to his colleagues from the State Duma of the Russian Federation with an appeal to return to the Soviet project of diverting the northern rivers to the south, which had long sunk into oblivion. A year earlier, the Ecological Party of Uzbekistan made a similar proposal. How should one relate to such ideas today and is there any rational grain in them?

Reversal of rivers?


The idea of ​​somehow using the abundant water resources of the north for the benefit of the arid south is not new. For the first time it began to be discussed at the end of the 1868th century in the Russian Empire, the author is considered to be the Kiev engineer Yakov Demchenko. In XNUMX, he submitted a proposal to the Imperial Russian Geographical Society, and then published a brochure "On the flooding of the Aral-Caspian lowland to improve the climate of the adjacent countries." Demchenko's initiative did not receive support, however, this idea was subsequently returned to repeatedly at various levels.



The substantive issue began to be dealt with in the USSR in the 70s of the last century. Within the framework of this colossal infrastructure project, it was supposed to solve several problems at once. First, by redistributing the river flow of the Irtysh, Ob, Tobol and other rivers, to provide water supplies to Soviet Central Asia, where it was planned to develop irrigated agriculture. Secondly, to save the dying Aral Sea by diverting water from the rivers of the northern part of the East European Plain. There were some reasons to believe in the feasibility of the project, since there was already experience in the successful construction of the Volga-Kama cascade of reservoirs and the Angaro-Yenisei reservoir.

However, as we know, even under the USSR with its mighty planned the economy could not turn the northern rivers to the south. Representatives of the perestroika intelligentsia came out with sharp criticism, who, we note, quite rightly pointed to the numerous adverse environmental consequences of such a grandiose construction. Among them: flooding of vast areas of agricultural and forest land, increased salinity of the Arctic Ocean, the death of valuable fish species, disruption of the species composition of flora and fauna in the territories through which the canal should pass, unpredictable changes in the permafrost regime, changes in the ice cover in the Gulf of Ob and the Kara Sea, the rise of groundwater along the entire length of the canal with the flooding of nearby settlements and highways, as well as general climate change. The matter is really serious, such a serious interference in the natural balance of nature could not do without consequences.

In addition, a weighty argument against the implementation of this project was its extremely high cost. According to some estimates, the reversal of the rivers would cost about 300 billion dollars at today's exchange rate, or even more. The President of the USSR Mikhail Gorbachev put an end to the project, but already in 2002 they returned to this idea again.
The initiator was the then mayor of Moscow, Yuri Luzhkov, who in 2009 presented his book under the telling title "Water and Peace". In 2010, Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbayev approached President Medvedev with a proposal to turn Russian rivers south:

In the future, Dmitry Anatolyevich, this problem may turn out to be very large, necessary to provide drinking water to the entire Central Asian region.

To this, our Dmitry Anatolyevich then answered quite benevolently that Russia is open to discussing various options for solving the drought problem, including “some previous ideas that at some point were hidden under a cloth.” And in June 2023, Serik Egizbayev, deputy of the Kazakh Mazhilis, addressed the Russian parliamentarians:

I take this opportunity to appeal to my colleagues - deputies of the State Duma of Russia with a proposal to carefully consider the possibility of jointly implementing a megaproject to divert part of the flow of Siberian rivers. All scientific and technical justifications for this are available. As in the project for the construction of the Baikal-Amur Mainline in its time, this project will not only create tens of thousands of new jobs for citizens of all participating States, but will also give a powerful impetus to the development of economies for many years to come, will solve a whole range of environmental and social problems of the population of all states - participants of the project, will bring integration processes between strategic partners to a fundamentally new level.

So is it worth dropping everything and starting to build a network of canals and reservoirs for the sake of irrigating the fields of Central Asia?

Water pipes?


Think it's not worth it. Yes, fresh water is the most valuable natural resource, for which real wars are already going on. Yes, the independent republics of Central Asia are indeed experiencing ever-increasing problems associated with water shortages. But is this a problem for Russia, for the sake of which it is necessary to break its own ecological system through the knee?

Probably not. As an alternative to the turn of the northern rivers in a southerly direction, the author of these lines would suggest working out the idea of ​​a main water pipeline. Instead of building a network of canals and reservoirs with the inevitable flooding of our vast territories, lay a network of pipelines through which water would be pumped from water intakes at the place where the northern rivers drain into the Arctic Ocean to consumers from the countries of Central Asia. Such a decision would allow killing several birds with one stone.

First of all, you can avoid dangerous environmental experiments on your land. Metallurgists, in turn, would receive orders for the construction of a giant water pipeline. The Russian budget could have additional profit, and a considerable one, for the supply of fresh water to Central Asia. Unlike oil and gas, water is a conditionally renewable resource. We are talking about a very small percentage of the volume of the drainage of the northern rivers that still goes into the ocean.

And, finally, water supply is a powerful tool of Moscow's geopolitical influence on the arid Central Asian republics, where, alas, Russia is constantly losing it.
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  1. +15
    4 July 2023 11: 29
    You don't need to expand anything.
    Gas pipeline.
    Oil through the pipeline.
    Water through the plumbing.
    And all for money.
    And let the rivers flow where they flow.
    Otherwise it will be like with the Aral Sea.
    1. 0
      6 July 2023 18: 47
      Golden words!
  2. -7
    4 July 2023 11: 36
    The idea is good. Moreover, there are relief elements that favor the canal, namely the canal, because a pipeline of such a length will simply freeze in winter. One of the main goals of the project is the revival of the Aral Sea. In return, Russia could lease a significant portion of the coast of this lake with recreational resources. And of course, it is the SA republics that should finance the project. This is the main obstacle that makes the idea meaningless. For some reason, the SA republics believe that Russia needs it more than they do
    1. +1
      4 July 2023 13: 13
      It is quite possible to sell large volumes of water, which will become a common global practice in the future. Today, as the author correctly noted in the article, it is necessary to lay pipelines for pumping DRINKING water (for quick self-sufficiency) from the nearest sufficient places of water inflow on the territory of the Russian Federation. Lay water pipelines from prefabricated reinforced concrete pipes of large diameter (5 meters or more), pipes are manufactured at prefabricated reinforced concrete plants on a conveyor basis at the places of laying. Without delay, work out the first pilot projects and put them into operation. Western Siberia, from the inflow of waters by full-flowing drains, is swamped by huge marshes-marshes - such vast swamps will decrease by a fraction of a percent, which will also benefit the Russian Federation. Such piped water supply will also bring together the politically receiving states of Central Asia. Conclusion: It is definitely beneficial to build water pipelines to arid regions.
      1. +8
        4 July 2023 15: 30
        piped water supply will also bring together politically water-receiving states of Central Asia

        where to get closer? came from S.A. - received citizenship of the Russian Federation, now they are yours and my neighbors!
        why water in s.a. drive if our Volga is shallow, if we don’t have enough water in the Krasnodar Territory !!!
        the cosmopolitans have already got it, at home they need to put things in order for a start !!!
    2. +6
      4 July 2023 21: 15
      Quote: Colonel Kudasov
      Not a bad idea.

      What's so good about this idea?
      There is already a water pipeline from the lower reaches of the Volga and we pump water to 3 regions of Kazakhstan.
      Climate warming, shallowing of the Volga and Yenisei are already leading to serious consequences for the ecosystem and the Russian economy.
      There is no Aral, and to hell with it, we can only ruin all our rivers.

      Quote: Colonel Kudasov
      And of course, it is the SA republics that should finance the project.

      Yes, in FIG, these pieces of paper will be needed by someone.

      Quote: Colonel Kudasov
      For some reason, the SA republics believe that Russia needs it more than they do

      Because the more we play "brothers and partners" they sit on the neck more, and they will soon start to drive.
    3. +1
      8 July 2023 11: 22
      Well, why revive the Aral Sea? And what is Russia to do there? What would pump water there? Yes, even for our money.
  3. +4
    4 July 2023 11: 43
    The author clearly does not understand either physics or economics. if you take it at the mouth, then pump it far and raise it high. This is both the energy and the length of the pipeline. Hence the prohibitive price of the resulting water. She will not be pulled to buy.
    Yes, and the cost of construction will be prohibitive.
  4. +4
    4 July 2023 12: 57
    At one time, the water level in the Caspian Sea began to drop. Projects for the transfer of Siberian rivers appeared. An Italian scientist predicted when the Caspian Sea would return to normal. And so it happened. By the way, the Aral Sea has added 9 meters in water level. For the Kazakhs, this is a holiday. As for Uzbekistan. They need to pay attention to the loss of water in consumption. A lot of water just goes into the sand.
  5. +13
    4 July 2023 12: 57
    Why, so that they would betray us and throw us, so that they would treat us like with the Nord Streams, billions down the drain.
  6. +13
    4 July 2023 13: 02
    environmental risks have not been calculated, it is impossible to do this, firstly, and secondly, why should we do this? if we had one country for all, then yes, we would simply have to worry about our citizens, but now all our former republics are sovereign and independent countries, and besides, they are not very friendly towards Russia, we are not they forgot how in the early 90s Russians were slaughtered, killed and burned there, and they are quite corrupt, they must prove their devotion and respect for our country by deed, you can’t sit on two or three chairs for a long time, besides, fresh water is now quite expensive goods, and we give them free, also canals, water pumping stations, build the entire very complex infrastructure from scratch?! at your own expense
  7. +12
    4 July 2023 13: 10
    Lack of water is the problem of the so-called independent countries of Central Asia. It is impossible to make any turns in the turns of the rivers to Central Asia and there is no point in discussing it, Kazakhstan has no money for plumbing and paying for water. Only the enemy can develop someone else's economy to the detriment of his own. There are also areas in the Russian Federation where there is little water, but for some reason our authorities are not puzzled by these. For the capitalists, the turn of the rivers, the water supply, is just another cut of public money.
    1. -9
      4 July 2023 13: 29
      Replica. We are not talking about any reversals of the rivers, the diversion of up to ONE percent of the water of the Western Siberian region, no more. According to your logic, by selling oil, we are also developing someone else's economy. Friendship and dependence of neighboring countries often become the biggest price and the biggest profit. Let the capitalists of the Russian Federation earn money, only they need to correctly and accordingly levy taxes on profits, so far there are problems with this, but I believe they are temporary.
      1. +6
        4 July 2023 14: 33
        Oddly enough, by selling oil, we really develop other people's economies. Is this a discovery for you?
    2. -2
      4 July 2023 14: 47
      First, the interested republics are obliged to raise money and fulfill the terms of reference for the project, to those who will carry it out. Then agreements and so on. Then a mandatory increase in the cost of the project, but if the states of C Asia have money, let them apply and build a water conduit at home, and we will build it at home for their money. I think it will turn out, one day a swan, cancer and pike.
  8. +1
    4 July 2023 13: 18
    Only a water conduit and no canals, etc.
  9. +11
    4 July 2023 13: 39
    As a certified hydraulic engineer, I can say - "Not in any case" !!!
    it is just as foolish to hope that the supply of water will strengthen ties between Russia and the Central Asian countries - we will swell money - we will dig channels / lay pipelines and get capricious buyers who will either buy or demand a price reduction, etc. (there will be no alternative). And yes .. money for water will mysteriously go offshore to the international rich.
    Do you want vodka? - become part of Russia, and then ... we still need to think whether we need it or not ...
    1. -2
      4 July 2023 14: 00
      Quote: Lis_Domino
      As a certified hydraulic engineer, I can say - "Not in any case" !!!

      As a lover of the Russian language, I can say: “No way!!!”
      In no case should you continue to live in a bourgeois, speculative, capitalist system!!!
      It's time to return to a socialist society with a pronounced social policy and updates.
  10. 0
    4 July 2023 14: 53
    The project is real, the question of implementation is in need and funding.
    There is a need for consumers, many of whom, in fact, distance themselves from the Russian Federation through rewriting history, creating their own heroes, abandoning the Russian language, rapprochement with state entities unfriendly to the Russian Federation, supporting anti-Russian UN resolutions, a summit of democracies, even a warrant issued by the ICC for the arrest of the President of the Russian Federation, and what is the need for the Russian Federation to share its natural resources for a nominal fee and dubious political dividends?
    Environmental issues are associated with a decrease in the discharge of fresh water into the Arctic Ocean and, as a result, with climate change and ice conditions along the Northern Sea Route, but everything pales in front of political and economic prospects. The Volga, Dnieper and many other rivers have actually been turned into a series of navigable lake swamps, and how many settlements and agricultural lands have been flooded cannot be counted. The patrimony of Mr. Potanin consumes huge amounts of electrical energy, and for this, the protected rivers of Turan have been blocked and new ones are being designed. So it will go, the Siberian rivers will become like a series of lake swamps of European rivers. Plumbing is no big deal.
  11. +7
    4 July 2023 14: 57
    Large-scale break into the natural environment?
    Central Asia intends to solve its problems at someone else's expense?
    Inopportunely I recalled the statement of F. Engels:

    Let us not be too deceived by our victories over nature. For each such victory, she takes revenge on us.
  12. -2
    4 July 2023 15: 00
    It is possible to build a water pipeline, but at the expense of Asian petitioners, water is provided for a fee, if they behave badly, they will turn it off. As in the "Diamond Hand", "but they won't take it off."
    1. +6
      4 July 2023 15: 34
      at the expense of Asian petitioners

      have already built northern streams at the expense of buyers, kissed German and Switzerland in all places for 10 years, simultaneously withdrawing finances to offshore ...
    2. +4
      4 July 2023 16: 32
      And if they don’t take it, we’ll turn off the gas!

      Problems with the sale of oil and gas - so we will sell ... water?
      Can you finally stop trading in nature, without creating anything with your own hands?
  13. +12
    4 July 2023 15: 57
    But there is already a pipeline supplying water from Russia to Kazakhstan Astrakhan - Mangyshlak. The infrastructure is in disrepair, the cities of Kazakhstan began to lack water. In the west of Kazakhstan, the reconstruction of the water supply network that supplies water from Russia has begun. The highway was commissioned in 1988 and has since fallen into disrepair. The authorities intend to replace 176 km of pipes.. So what? Is this a problem for Russia? You need to learn at least this lesson. And our former neighbors in the USSR will not get rid of the habit: "Give it!"
  14. +6
    4 July 2023 16: 03
    Sell ​​them bottled at world prices for gold.
  15. +8
    4 July 2023 16: 06
    No need to dig anything, no need to turn rivers around. These are not the people for whom it should be done. You need to be smarter. Enough !!! Sell ​​only bottled at world prices. Maybe for gold.
  16. -7
    4 July 2023 17: 06
    And how much can you earn on the construction of such a water pipeline - from the Arctic to Central Asia! There were no "streams" nearby. And then keep it up and running. This really could be the "project of the century"! Millions of jobs, taxes from construction companies, building new towns along it to serve!
  17. +6
    4 July 2023 17: 49
    And then they will say that they do not need it, or the United States will force them to refuse, or they will blow it up, like the northern streams.
    All profits will be spent on protection and maintenance.
    They went through the forest, or rather the desert or mountains.
    Only their Wishlist is pushing, and our requests are on their side.
    And they themselves have water, so let them build pipelines on their territory,
    and we will make pipes for them, .. for money, of course.
  18. 1_2
    +8
    4 July 2023 17: 55
    Of course, it is necessary to deploy, and at the expense of Ivan, so that the hypocritical Russophobes babai build more Pentagon biolabs. By the way, since 1988, water from the Volga has been supplied to western Kazakhstan through pipes, we give them life-giving water, and they prepare military viruses for us. the president also comes out and cunning bais deceive
  19. +1
    4 July 2023 18: 14
    we all saw how the gas "instrument" of influence works. It only affected us, and not at all for the better. The same thing is possible with the water conduit
  20. -6
    4 July 2023 18: 21
    Many commentators have strange and narrow thinking, they want to ride in expensive imported cars, dress in all good things, build good-quality housing from quality materials - but so far we don’t have much to buy abroad. And "abroad" they love currency, and where to get it - that's right, to sell something for currency. Clean water is money for free, but wisely, of course.
    And yet, many people think that the CA of the country is sitting with an empty mug by the road and asking for a sip of water))). Yes, thank you, it's just that the locomotive of progress is trade, and I think mother nature will not even notice water at least 0,5% of the "flow". We just need to calculate the rate on the counter, we will have profits, I think lards and lards of bucks if the current thieves do not drag them away to "foreign countries". After all, almost 80 million people live in the SA.
  21. +3
    4 July 2023 18: 23
    There is the experience of Libya, for which she suffered.
  22. +3
    4 July 2023 19: 11
    Another attempt at pocket money...

    1) money is being optimized, the project will be 4 times more expensive than necessary, as it happens ...
    At this price, only the Rosenbergs and K. will profit quickly.

    2) They will spit on the friendship of the peoples. It does not bear profit, only expenses. Yes, even the power to share? Neither...
    For example, for 15 years they have been writing - Ukraine - gas money, trouble, gas, money, trouble ... Putin remembered Ukrainians and Russians, and even then not hypocritically, for a short time, before bobbling into the lunar landscape for the sake of safety

    3) Water is a neo-colonial resource .. As a result, Arabs, China, Turkey, Europe ... in general, metropolises will benefit
  23. +7
    4 July 2023 19: 20
    Deputy of the Parliament of Kazakhstan Serik Egizbaev

    I would draw attention to the Russophobic policy of Kazakhstan aimed at the Russian inhabitants of Kazakhstan, to the pro-American orientation, and then to the discussion of water problems.
    1. 0
      5 July 2023 13: 19
      Kazakhstan is next in line for a special operation.
  24. +5
    5 July 2023 04: 48
    Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
    Friendship and dependence of neighboring countries often become the biggest price and the biggest profit.

    Complete nonsense! After the war, we raised Eastern Europe from the ruins, we invested money and resources in the Baltic states, in Moldova, in Georgia, in Ukraine, in African countries, in Kazakhstan ... Where is at least elementary gratitude? It is categorically impossible to turn the rivers, it will be a crime against the country. Only cynical businessmen are capable of this. If they want water, let them lay water pipes and pay money for the service received.
  25. +5
    5 July 2023 04: 52
    The northern rivers belong to peoples who have lived along these rivers for centuries. Asia should forget about this utopian idea and look for other ways out. In the current environment of global political change, no one can guarantee that today's allies will become irreconcilable enemies in a year or two, so everyone should eat their own pie, and not gape at someone else's. Flies separately - cutlets separately.
  26. +1
    5 July 2023 05: 00
    Quote from etoyavsemprivet
    Clean water is money for free, but wisely, of course.
    And yet, many people think that the CA of the country is sitting with an empty mug by the road and asking for a sip of water))). Yes, thank you, it's just that the locomotive of progress is trade, and I think mother nature will not even notice water at least 0,5% of the "flow".

    Water is the most valuable strategic resource of the future and we have no right to dispose of this resource to the detriment of future generations. As the saying goes, we inherited the land from our ancestors and borrowed from our grandchildren.
  27. +1
    5 July 2023 09: 38
    let them solve their own problems.
    1. -1
      6 July 2023 08: 17
      let them solve their own problems.
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  29. DO
    +1
    6 July 2023 19: 35
    The reversal of rivers is a crime against Russian nature. Water conduits abroad - too.
    Let thirsty neighboring countries buy Russian bottled water.
  30. +1
    7 July 2023 02: 18
    My country is widespread,
    There are many forests, fields and rivers in it!
    I do not know another such country,
    Where the seller breathes so freely.

    I found out that I have a huge family - And the path, and the woods,
    In the field, each spikelet!
    River, blue sky -
    This is all mine, dear!
    This is my motherland!
    I will sell everything in the world!
  31. +2
    8 July 2023 16: 36
    The oligarchs will put their paw on the water supply, as well as on gas, oil and other natural resources; will fill their purse with billions and trillions, and the state-the PEOPLE!!- crumbs, although the people are the master of all resources.
  32. 0
    8 July 2023 20: 29
    What kind of nonsense? At one time, real and honest scientists showed the absurdity of the project of transferring Russia's water resources "abroad"! But someone is itching to harm Russia! If not by an invasion of migrants, then by a "transfer of rivers"; but to destroy Russia!
  33. 0
    23 July 2023 23: 13
    Amu Darya in the old days carried 800 cubic meters of water to the Aral Sea every second. What other conduits and pipelines. Humanity will have "gut thin" for a long time.
    In addition, the Siberian plains slope towards the Arctic Ocean. And "smart will not go uphill"!
    All this is "idle speculation"!
  34. 0
    21 March 2024 00: 16
    There is one positive experiment in supplying water to Kazakhstan from Astrakhon; up to 170 thousand cubic meters per day are already supplied. Water becomes a strategic resource and can be sold at the price of oil. Therefore, the construction of water pipelines can be implemented, but at the expense of investments from Kazakhstan and linked to the market price of oil. It is necessary to create a state company "Rosvoda"...