Poland announces plans to acquire nuclear submarines

2 2023 June 37

At a recent forum organized by the Polish military portal Defence24, Polish Defense Minister Mariusz Blaszczak announced that by the end of this year, his department would resume the Orka program, aimed at acquiring "two or three new submarines." Moreover, now it is not excluded that these boats will be nuclear.

We want our submarines to be characterized by long combat missions and high payload in terms of portable weapons.

Blaschak said and added that he was "inspired" by the AUKUS pact, concluded by Australia with the aim of possessing nuclear submarines with Tomahawk cruise missiles.

Currently, the Polish Armed Forces are armed with the only submarine - Orzel ("Eagle") of the Kilo class, built in the mid-1980s at the Krasnoe Sormovo plant in the USSR for the Polish Navy. The last two German-built 1960s Kobben-class submarines purchased by Poland from Norway were finally decommissioned in 2021.

Shortly after Blaszczak's announcement, Lt. Col. Krzysztof Platek, spokesman for the Polish Arms Agency, in an interview with the PAP news agency, clarified plans for the role and opportunities for Poland to acquire new submarines.

As far as the Baltic Sea Basin is concerned, submarines will be used primarily to protect lines of communication from the threat of enemy submarines or, for example, to hinder amphibious landings. But they can also carry out offensive operations, paralyzing the freedom of movement of enemy ships.

Platek said.

He also noted that submarines with long range and extended submergence could also "hunt enemy ships" with torpedoes in more remote combat areas. Among other tasks that Polish submarines can perform, the transport of special forces and "all activities related to participation in NATO groupings" were also named.

When asked about the range of the submarines that Poland plans to acquire, Platek said:

The current plans include the latest developments in the field of AIP systems (Technology "air-independent engine") for conventional systems. However, nuclear power plants cannot be ruled out, since such technology provides full autonomy for the ocean. This is still an open question and will be related to the financial possibilities and the final requirements of the Polish Navy.

Readers of the Defense24 portal regarded these plans as clearly aimed not at the defense of Poland, but at NATO operations against Russia:

Edmund: We don't buy submarines to defend the Baltic because we can arrange it differently. We buy submarines to sail the North Sea with cruise missiles ready to be fired at targets in Russia such as the Kremlin, FSB headquarters and nuclear power plants.

Szwejk85/87: Are they crazy?! We must conquer Moscow?! Our fleet must protect OUR interests in the Baltic Sea. A global fight on the oceans is not a matter for our sailors and ships.

KPS1: Nuclear propulsion is unintelligent - these ships are easier to spot. Cruise missiles will significantly increase the cost, it is better to have more ships without them in order to protect our part of the Baltic, and not shoot at Moscow.

Kaczkodan: Unfortunately, I'm listening to a fairy tale, like a child telling his parents how he needs the latest graphics card for school.

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Griffith

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2 June 2023 22: 02

As you know, three countries can build submarines with a nuclear installation: the USA, China, and Russia. It seems that France also has opportunities, but this is not certain. USA until 2035 will build boats for Australia. Russia and China are unlikely to build anything for Poland. Another option is that the United States will sell a decommissioned nuclear submarine with decommissioned tomahawks to Poland at the price of a new one, like Abrams tanks. It's true. Reminds me of the super-fucking news about the American mini-nuclear power plants that the United States will massively build around the world. True, they didn’t say for the loshki that there wasn’t even a drawing project for these nuclear power plants. And that even Rosatom needs more than 5 years to develop and approve the project, not to mention several years of construction. But it's okay, People is hiding. So it is with these decommissioned troughs. The Poles still need to live up to this. They inflated it as if they would get some kind of prodigy.
1. RUR
  
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  2 June 2023 22: 44
  
  We are talking about the acquisition and purchase of technology in this business ... in principle, even if Poland's GDP stops growing, which is extremely unlikely - only a war can interfere, then it will accumulate more debt than the annual GDP, as in most EU countries - in France, Italy, Spain ... and ... now independent Britain, Poland will always be able, even if not higher than annual GDP, but only 100% of GDP will give somewhere around $ 350-300 billion, so there is money ... Poland's debt estimated somewhere between 50-60% of GDP with
  estimated GDP in 2023 - $ 750 billion
  1. Griffith
    
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    2 June 2023 22: 59
    
    Okay, we bought the technology. What's next? Where is the power to build? Where are the shipyards with the necessary docks? Where are the specialists with the necessary competencies? As if they bought technology for the production of popsicles. Won Russia bought technology for the production of large-capacity ships from South Korea. For this purpose, new docks were built in the Far East, five new factories for the production of metal structures, new port facilities were built, and specialists are being trained. And this work has been going on since 2016. And it's not all built yet. And there are 60 new ships in contacts. Where is all this in Poland? Sense from one technology, if the rest is a donut hole. Is it possible to wipe your arrogant ass with this technology.
    1. RUR
      
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      2 June 2023 23: 31
      
      They will build it all, I wrote that in principle there is money, it is possible that technologies will be acquired, do not think that physics in Poland is worse than in the Russian Federation, after all, university education in Poland is much older than in Russia, then Poland, unlike the Russian Federation, has access to all-European research opportunities within the EU - CERN, colliders, etc. There are a lot of well-known physicists - Curie, Mieczysław Wolfke.
      It's just that, judging by the reaction, your familiarity with science and technology is rather modest.
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Wolfke,_Mechislav
      
      In 1920, in his work “On the Possibilities of Optical Imaging of a Molecular Lattice”, he put forward and experimentally tested the idea of a holographic method for obtaining images
      1. Griffith
        
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        3 June 2023 00: 06
        
        I don't mind. I gave you the terms of similar buildings. Bought technology. Built power. This is approximately 10 years. They built a submarine. This is also about 10 years old. (This is the amount of time it takes to build one nuclear submarine in America.) Ie. in 2040, a nuclear submarine of its own production may appear in Poland. Question. What will happen to Poland by this time? America? NATO? Russia? China? Those. news about nothing. It is written with a pitchfork on the water. I might as well report that by 2040 Russia will have a fleet of star battleships and its own death star. 100%. Don't believe? Let's see in 2040.
        
        RUR
        
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        3 June 2023 00: 19
        
        You don’t understand, I wrote that you seem to be far from the world of technology, with the transfer of technology this will happen quite quickly, or take India and Pakistan - they bought equipment in the West, their atomic scientists studied there - secrets in physics how to create an atom there were no more then - and they quickly created their own bombs - there are many such examples, but not a fact, of course, someone will agree to this, however, there are many options, some kind of cooperation with France or Britain, of course, with the appropriate financial participation of the parties ...
        
        Griffith
        
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        3 June 2023 00: 37
        
        Yeah bam montage and the atomic bomb appeared. Do you really think everyone is an idiot? Open at least Wiki and read how many years it took India and Pakistan from setting a goal to implementation. If you're lazy, I'll tell you. India has 20 years. Pakistan has over 25 years. By the way, Poland has a complete zero with the nuclear industry. And America will not sell nuclear reactor technology to Poland. Even an idiot understands this, since technological superiority is America's raison d'être. Those. add another period for the development of a nuclear reactor to a submarine. Let's take Pakistan and India as a basis. Another 10 years to go. Those. nuclear submarine of its production in Poland not earlier than 2050. And for reference. I work at a machine building plant. And I know very well how new technologies are introduced. And how much money, effort and knowledge is needed for this. And for reference. China still cannot make aircraft engines with the same reliability as Russia and America. Although in 30 years from setting the goal, I already bought and stole technologies, God forbid. That is, technology is not everything. America fucked up, but was never able to implement the uranium enrichment technologies stolen from the USSR after its collapse. With all its universities, specialists and a lot of money.
        
        RUR
        
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        3 June 2023 08: 59
        
        Think better about who you actually think you are.
        In Poland, as early as 1974, its own research reactor was launched, created on its own
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_reactor
        
        Construction began on June 16, 1970 and the reactor was activated on December 18, 1974.
        
        TakshtA in Poland have an idea about reactors
        
        Now skilled workers are not needed either - there are 3-dimensional printers, but about reactors in Poland
        something is known, as it turns out
        
        Even an idiot understands this, since technological superiority is America's raison d'être.
        
        This is the only thing you can understand:
        Actually, things like military technology - very good. expensive, and countries even often look for opportunities to cooperate with close allies and friendly countries, for example, the Russian Federation had plans to transfer military technologies to India in some areas, and the United States is said to have intentions to transfer some F-35 technology to Japan, France wanted to transfer air defense technologies Poland, but were chosen by the United States. IBM sold its computer technology to China, etc., etc. - Your thesis
        
        America will not sell nuclear reactor technology to Poland.
        
        - wrong, and besides the USA there is Britain, France, Japan, Korea ... but I think that Poland will start with a diesel
        
        Griffith
        
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        3 June 2023 10: 10
        
        Wow, nuclear submarines are 3D printed. Wow. I wonder why no one in the whole world, except you, knows about this?
        
        RUR
        
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        5 June 2023 14: 01
        
        The case, of course, is not printed, although the sheets of the case are theoretically possible, but everything else is 100% real, of course, you don’t know about this, since in the Russian Federation this is a recent and borrowed business, they said that in the Russian Federation there are several companies, such as produce 3D, but only 70% - the most technologically complex components - imported,
        therefore, think in Russian - in the categories of workers, it is possible that the proletariat, and for hundreds of years, it will be good in the Russian Federation if the machine tool industry appears
      2. Griffith
        
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        3 June 2023 01: 27
        
        There are a lot of well-known physicists - Curie, Mieczysław Wolfke.
        It's just that, judging by the reaction, your familiarity with science and technology is rather modest.
        
        You really, something with something. You list Polish scientists, contrasting them with Russian scientists, while not even suspecting that they were born and studied, including in the Russian Empire. Here's a scream Indeed, a connoisseur of science.
        
        RUR
        
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        3 June 2023 08: 04
        
        what is the Russian Empire? Only at the end of the 18th century, the beginning of the 19th century, the Russian nobility became fully educated, and in the 20th century it was liquidated as a class. Until the 19th century, there were only 4 Universities in the Republic of Ingushetia:
        
        St. Petersburg State University January 28, 1724 (1724-1767) - DID NOT EXIST FOR LONG
        
        Imperial Moscow University12 (23) January 1755
        
        April 26 (May 7) 1755 (1755-1917) Imperial Dorpat University (1802-1893)
        
        University of Tartu 4 (15) May 1799 1 (13) May 1802
        
        Imperial Vilnius University is now Vilnius University
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Tartu
        The penultimate one grew out of the Polish gymnasium Gymnasium Dorpatense for the local gentry
        
        a Jesuit grammar school Gymnasium Dorpatense, founded by Stefan Batory (then king of Poland–Lithuania) in 1583 and existing to 1601, when Tartu (Dorpat) was under Polish–Lithuanian rule.
        
        And the last one is a purely Polish university, back in Russia there were some gentry corps The Naval Cadet gentry corps and the land one - so Russian education is a small offshoot of European science, with a very noticeable Polish influence
        
        In Poland, already at the end of the Middle Ages, there was a scientific mathematical school (not to be confused with universities), its last representative is Copernicus, we can mention the Lviv mathematical school, the Warsaw mathematical school - the Polish mathematical school is one of the largest in the world - you can continue but too lazy to write, especially that you just have no idea what you are talking about
        
        Griffith
        
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        3 June 2023 08: 19
        
        You still list the mathematicians of the time of Herodotus to me. If you want to compare, then name modern scientists. And then in the 16th century America had 0 mathematicians. And so, according to your logic, today it is a rotten village. After all, there is no ancient legacy of the mathematical school.
        
        RUR
        
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        3 June 2023 08: 27
        
        Well, you are clearly not the person with whom you can discuss these topics - for reference: Universities in the USA appeared earlier than in R. Empire (you can, of course, babble about the Wild West, but check in wiki, at least)
        you have a noticeable Russian culture - the lack of continuity is due to the discontinuity of traditions
        
        Griffith
        
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        3 June 2023 08: 42
        
        Wikipedia quoting
        
        The United States of America was formed in 1776 with the union of thirteen British colonies that declared independence.
        
        Explain to me what scientists were like in the USA in the 16th century? Or do you also think, as in the State Department, that the United States has been opposing China for thousands of years? Judging by the above, you are a complete zero in history.
        
        RUR
        
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        3 June 2023 09: 12
        
        Harvard University. Established: 1636 (chartered in 1650)
        The College of William and Mary. Established: 1693. .
        St. Johns College..
        Yale University. Established: 1701
        University of Pennsylvania Established: 1701
        
        - the list is not complete
        
        Do you think that the European scientists invited by Peter to the Academy of Sciences are really Russians? Look for yourself, then you need to explain everything, enter at least 18th-century American mathematicians into Google
        Many interesting things to learn
        
        Griffith
        
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        3 June 2023 09: 37
        
        But here's the bad luck, how will these antiquities help build a nuclear submarine in Poland? Read history. Dozens of mathematical schools in Ancient Greece. Hundreds of great mathematicians, builders, writers. How will this help modern Greece become an advanced technological power? By the way, you didn’t list modern famous Polish scientists.
        
        RUR
        
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        5 June 2023 14: 06
        
        there, on the wiki, there is a category - Polish physicists of the 21st century - I didn’t count, but judging by 1 sheet containing only surnames starting with the letters AD, in general - something like a few hundred people, and possibly 1000 or more - there are personnel, but you better be interested in Russian machine tool building
        
        pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categoria:Polscy_fizycy_XXI_wieku
  2. Anton Kuzmin
    
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    3 June 2023 15: 51
    
    Just the other day, an Iranian diesel submarine (600t) drove an American nuclear submarine (19Kt) in the Strait of Hormuz with rags and forced it to surface. And this is not because the Iranians are such cool submariners on the coolest submarine! It's just that they used a more or less modern boat more or less correctly in a VERY RIGHT place - in the narrowness. And then the fact that nuclear submarines played - they are much noisier than diesel-electric ones. Because nuclear submarines are essentially steamboats! :)
    
    Therefore, if someone decides to use the nuclear submarine in the Baltic - a flag in his hands and a drum around his neck! Morons are power! One bad thing - they can pollute the Baltic with radiation even in peacetime. Shallow there and not easy for big boats. And you can hear it from every corner...
    
    Americans have not built submarines for a long time. Only the Premier League. Which confirms their lack of DEFENSIVE plans. Actually, their presence would be amazing! For those who have the Ministry of Defense have DEFENSIVE plans. And whoever has the Ministry of War, they don’t even cherish those gringos and defense in their plans.
    
    Nuclear submarines are designed for the oceans and for attack. There is no place for them in the seas with very rare exceptions.
    
    The great ocean power Poland should not be from mozha to mozha, but from ocean to ocean! From the Atlantic to the Pacific (through the Arctic). With capital in Moscow. So it will be. The current tsar will not be Vladislav (as they wanted in the RPL in the Time of Troubles), but Vladimir. Well, the name will not be RPL, but RI! /neighs over Lyash show-offs :)
2. Indifferent
  
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  3 June 2023 19: 44
  
  Nuclear boats in the Baltic are just ridiculous. Too shallow and the puddle is small. Just modern diesel boats are much more capable in these conditions. They will hear and destroy much sooner.
Sergey Latyshev

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2 June 2023 22: 30

HPP in action.
There will be nuclear submarines, there will not be, but the golden river in the arms race and the military-industrial complex is provided.

The Kremlin helped Agent Trump by complaining about Europe's savings on armaments.
Denis FG

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2 June 2023 23: 16

What about yourself? Whore perdole, they can’t build, well, or the Fritz have a knack
1. RUR
  
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  2 June 2023 23: 45
  
  Do you propose to borrow from the USA, as was the case with the atomic bomb?
Griffith

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3 June 2023 00: 24

They will build it all, I wrote that in principle there is money, it is possible that technologies will be acquired, do not think that physics in Poland is worse than in the Russian Federation, after all, university education in Poland is much older than in Russia, then Poland, unlike the Russian Federation, has access to all-European research opportunities within the EU - CERN, colliders, etc. There are a lot of well-known physicists - Curie, Mieczysław Wolfke.
It's just that, judging by the reaction, your familiarity with science and technology is rather modest.

And for information. The collider was built, among other things, with the participation of specialists from Russia. Open at least Wiki and read. And access there to specialists from Russia is not closed. In addition to CERN, there are 3 more colliders in Russia itself at various stages of construction. Remind me how many colliders are being built or there are in Poland? Seniority in universities means nothing. The very first universities appeared in Italy, and the schools were in ancient Greece. By your logic, Italy and Greece should now be ahead of the rest. Don't laugh like that. And then many will die of laughter.
1. RUR
  
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  3 June 2023 09: 17
  
  By your logic, Italy and Greece should now be ahead of the rest. Don't laugh like that. And then many will die of laughter.
  
  So you will die, because you don’t understand that the planet still relies on them in many important areas of science, philosophy - this is the foundation
  1. Griffith
    
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    3 June 2023 09: 54
    
    This is the global foundation. And he has the same attitude to Poland as to Russia, as to China, as to Zimbabwe, and to many other countries. But this foundation is indirectly related to the construction of a nuclear submarine in Poland. After all, this is the purpose of our conversation. According to you, technology is everything, everything else can be bought for money and get a submarine from scratch. And as a production worker, I say that money is just a small part of what is needed. And it takes years to do so. And one nuclear submarine in the United States has been under construction for 10 years. From scratch. With the presence of the entire production infrastructure, which is absent in Poland. And which also needs to be rebuilt. And it is not built in two days or two years. And you tell me about antiquities. How will the antiquities speed up the construction of the submarine? In the United States, a submarine costs 10 years, and the great Poles, today having nothing but arrogance, will build a submarine in two days.
2. RUR
  
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  3 June 2023 09: 32
  
  You build at least one collider for a start, but why does Poland need its own collider, when there are pan-European associations, cooperation and projects, these are isolated countries trying to create something of their own, often unsuccessfully ... and yes, search on Google:
  
  CERN will not extend scientific contacts with Russia and Belarus.
  
  your fantasies clearly do not correspond to reality
  1. Griffith
    
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    3 June 2023 09: 58
    
    Search on Google. Three colliders are being built in Russia. One of them is already working. And in Poland, the renaissance of the 19th century. In the course again coal mines and coal-fired power plants. Progress however. A little more and soon, together with the Ukrainians, they will dig the Black Sea.
Colonel Kudasov

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3 June 2023 01: 17

It is clear that the Poles cannot and will not build their nuclear submarines. And why should they? Making a stir in the Arctic? Well, this is said for the red word. But Polish diesel engines in the Baltic are very possible. Technology can be bought. There is a Soviet sample. And the Poles are very capable of creating real provocations for Russia, for example, near Kaliningrad. And they obviously want it.
Kuramori Reika

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3 June 2023 01: 22

Poland's spending on armaments is perhaps commensurate with India's spending on her entire army. It remains to understand where they will get the money to buy these toys, to maintain them, repair and create infrastructure. It seems as if they imagine themselves to be a powerful industrial power with dozens of nuclear power plants and energy resources. Another year or two of such a feast during the plague, and half of their budget will go only to repair these pieces of iron, and the other half to pay interest on loans. The Poles have gone much further than the Soviet functionaries in their insane spending on arms purchases.
prior

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3 June 2023 08: 26

The Hyena was furious.
What do they do with rabid animals?
Anton Kuzmin

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3 June 2023 15: 33

Quote: RUR
what is the Russian Empire? Only at the end of the 18th century, the beginning of the 19th century, the Russian nobility became fully educated, and in the 20th it was liquidated as a class.

But the Polish nobility was completely literate. Well, if you believe those Jewish offices that issued certificates of noble birth to the MOST of Polish nobles! In normal countries, the nobility was given by a monarch with a crown, and in Poland - with sidelocks! :)

And the first Russian university was also the first in the world. For "Moscow is the Third Rome", and the university was in the Second. This was later converted into a spiritual institution by the priests. Read the history of Byzantium! Well, then the Catholics, under the guise of "help" in the Crusade, ruined and misrepresented.
Anton Kuzmin

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3 June 2023 15: 34

Quote: prior
The Hyena was furious.
What do they do with rabid animals?

Well, animals are simply killed. And Poland should also be dismembered! What section of the RPL is already planned? Fifth?
Boniface

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4 June 2023 16: 37

Who keeps nuclear boats in a puddle of the Baltic Sea?
They will be drowned like kittens - instantly!
Ten canarias

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8 June 2023 19: 07

Yeah, even their wretched nuclear-powered ship will not have enough depth or size of the Baltic to turn around. Or does Poland want to surf the oceans? And ... well, yes, already now, wherever you turn - psheks are everywhere, vshe-pshe-pshe in all the bazaars and buying ...
Alexander Al

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15 June 2023 03: 52

I wonder what they smoke, sniff or drink there?
Mikhail Dadeko

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16 June 2023 08: 34

The Poles are bluffing, for the atomachs the Baltic is just a puddle!