Expert: the Russian Navy now has no alternative to "Varshavyanka"

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Recently it became known that for the Northern Fleet of the Russian Navy, it is planned to build a series of six diesel-electric submarines of project 636,3 Varshavyanka (06363) at JSC Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg (part of USC). Moreover, diesel-electric submarines will receive names in honor of the cities of new regions of Russia. So, in 2024, the first of them will be laid down - the Mariupol submarine (serial number 01621).

Russian expert Ilya Kramnik drew his attention to this, who in his Telegram channel “Cats and Kramnik’s Cat” asked a perplexed question about what was happening with the project 677 “Lada” - more modern DPELs, but smaller in size, number of crew members and displacement compared to the mentioned submarines.



To this day, Kronstadt has not been commissioned (the adoption of the B-586 fleet has been postponed to 2023. - Ed.), It is not clear when Velikie Luki will be commissioned (B-587, formerly Sevastopol, launched at the end of December 2022. - Ed.), and, apparently, the fleet has doubts about the fate of the Vologda and Yaroslavl laid down in 2022. I will say the following about project 636 for the Northern Fleet. I am always for the serial construction of new combat units, but here we must be aware that in the 44th year of the project (from the laying of the head building of project 248 at the Amur Shipyard B-877 in 1980), he managed to lose a little freshness. Modern BIUS and the presence of "Caliber" gives certain advantages, but

Kramnik noted.

In his opinion, the configuration of Varshavyanka, in the form of the main Rubikon-M sonar complex (without extended onboard antennas and towed antenna) and the traditional diesel power plant with a lead-acid battery, give Russia a submarine of the technical level of the “improved 1980s”, which, after 2030, we will have to deal with a new generation of enemy anti-submarine weapons, from diesel-electric submarines to maritime patrol aircraft, moreover, in a theater of operations, to which forces hostile to the Russian Federation are paying increased interest in terms of anti-submarine defense. But getting Varshavyanka is still better than being left without diesel-electric submarines at all, because the Project 877 Halibut submarines at the disposal of the Northern Fleet of the Russian Navy will have exhausted their resources by the specified time. However, specialists and the military should still explore the possibilities for further improvement of the Varshavyanka before their construction begins.

However, an understanding of the limited capabilities of 636 in its current form is present at least among some of the comrades involved, who characterized the construction of Varshavyanka in today's realities with the phrase: “Is the boat new? Yes. Is the boat modern? No". <...> Other comrades, however, doubt the meaningfulness of diesel-electric submarines in the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet in principle, but, alas, we do not have a massive inexpensive nuclear submarine to replace them

Kramnik summed up.
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  1. Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst
    +1
    April 27 2023 16: 29
    At the moment (War on your own territory), you need to build something that is cheap and cheerful. This is not the time to measure creativity with the collective West in innovative expensive military developments.
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov
      Vladimir Tuzakov
      0
      10 May 2023 17: 04
      The war today does not affect the navy, so you need to build new generations of submarines, like Lada, and Varshavyanka is yesterday. In the RF Ministry of Defense, we already have many failures in the RF Armed Forces (for UAVs, T-14, Su57, etc.), now failures are also expected for the Russian Navy in the submarine fleet ..,
    2. SP-Ang
      SP-Ang
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      28 May 2023 20: 18
      Ponatseplyali buzzwords, such as creativity and seem to be very good. smart.
      And the fact that in foreign fleets a torpedo goes 120 miles, and we have figs, but a little (how much is a military secret). Equipment at the level of the 80s, but where does the modern one come from? The guarantor knows that during his reign all production facilities were systematically covered up / destroyed.
      Here they call to build "cheaply and cheerfully" - so this is a one-time goal.
  2. Pafnuty Pakhomovich
    Pafnuty Pakhomovich
    -3
    April 27 2023 18: 30
    Long live Soviet galoshes!
  3. Dmitry Volkov
    Dmitry Volkov
    0
    13 May 2023 12: 22
    People, you accept this, Varshavyanka is not as bad as all bloggers denounce it, in Japan, for example, on similar boats, batteries were changed to lithium ones and “like” autonomy increased three times, I think that we need to think about new batteries, but no matter how lithium, because they are fire hazardous, perhaps our designers will come up with something new, I remember in aviation we had silver-zinc batteries, as I know they are eternal. And the hydroacoustic station can be improved by shooting and moving RSL such as Chinara M and others with signal transmission by wire to submarines, they are decoys if necessary, I can write a whole technical task soldier
    PS served in anti-submarine aviation, Ka-27PL drinks
    1. Requiem
      Requiem
      0
      24 May 2023 11: 39
      Salt batteries can be used; the Chinese CATL industry is ready to make them; they do not have the known problems of Lithium batteries and are cheaper
  4. Moscow
    Moscow
    0
    7 June 2023 00: 58
    The T-34 tank was not the most advanced tank in the Second World War, especially at the beginning of the war. But, the quantity and simplicity in construction, repair and operation allowed the T-34 to become the best tank of the Second World War, while due to the possibility of its constant improvement. But, this improvement was in the process of its entire production and operation, starting from the moment the war began, when the T-34 tank was damp for modern warfare. So it is with submarines, we will produce and improve them at the first real opportunity and engineering. You can't see it otherwise.
    1. Dmitry Volkov
      Dmitry Volkov
      0
      10 June 2023 13: 13
      Until 1943, the Germans did not have tanks that could fight on an equal footing with the T-34-76, only with the advent of heavy tanks, something would turn out hi
      1. Nelton
        Nelton
        0
        10 June 2023 14: 34
        Quote: Dmitry Volkov
        Until 1943, the Germans did not have tanks that could compete on an equal footing with the T-34-76

        The Pz-iv-f2, with a long-barreled 75 mm gun, went in mass production from March 1942.
        Workhorse until the end of the war.