Russia will not be able to quickly put the imported MS-21 on the conveyor - German press

The civil aviation industry has become one of the industries most affected by Western sanctions. The departure of the giants Boeing and Airbus from the Russian market necessitated urgent development of the domestic aircraft industry. The government plans to ensure the delivery of 71 new passenger liners to Russian airlines by the end of 2025.

The German specialized portal FlugRevue writes that it will not be easy for the Russian industry to ensure record aircraft production, given the break in partnerships with Western corporations. If the Tu-214 airliner, which consists entirely of Russian components, has already entered mass production, then the work on the MS-21 project has not yet been completed.

According to German experts, the engine of the MS-21-300 liner was conceived as a demonstration project for East-West cooperation. The design used blades, electronic components and carbon fiber from the US, EU and Japan. Now Russia has managed to develop and test a wing made of domestic carbon composite. FlugRevue also notes the progress in the development and certification of the PD-14 engine. However, according to the publication, Russian engineers still have a lot of work to do in order to reach the planned volume of mass production of imported aircraft.

Even a purely quantitative order for 700 aircraft (which Airbus produces per year) requires logistical and technical prowess with a significant increase in production and a significant expansion of domestic aviation suppliers […] Before 2025, the commissioning of the MS-21-310 is unlikely to be completed

writes the German portal.

It is noted that in 2022 the MS-21 prototype with PD-14 engines performed more than 160 flights. At the moment, 6 liners have already been assembled, which will undergo final tests before they are launched into mass production. Over the next five years, the Irkut aircraft plant should start producing 72 MS-21-310 aircraft per year.
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  1. 1_2 Offline 1_2
    1_2 (Ducks are flying) April 14 2023 15: 54
    the chances cannot write well about the Russian Federation (the owner from the USA will fire), when the first MC21s start working, the chances will write that the Russian plane does not meet international safety standards and is generally made of cardboard by drunk Russians
    1. hell MASTER Offline hell MASTER
      hell MASTER (Hell MASTER) April 14 2023 16: 10
      For 10 years they have been putting the MC21 into mass production, but something doesn’t work out. Apparently there are superefficient managers there. So the article is absolutely true. There is no plane, and there won’t be. Tales for the audience only
      1. Nelton Offline Nelton
        Nelton (Oleg) April 14 2023 16: 35
        Quote from Hell MASTER
        For 10 years they have been putting the MC21 into mass production, but something does not work out. . Apparently sverffektivnye managers there.

        Let me remind you once again that the programs of the Russian MS-21 and the Chinese C919 have been going head to head since 2008, with a difference of six months in the first rollout, first flight, etc.
        At the moment, MS-21 has been built 6 units, S919 a little more, 10 units.

        It would just be nice to keep in mind that the C919 has a number of advantages -

        1 industrial base of the world's first economy.
        2 Guaranteed sales market for hundreds or even thousands of aircraft
        3 unlimited budget
        4 a bunch of imported components, including American-French engines (and the patriots are waiting for the Chinese to fight the USA, yeah, shazzz)
        5 conventional aluminum fuselage and wings.

        At MS-21, managers had to significantly change the project twice during the program -
        First, imported components for composite wings and center section fell out, then all other components.
        but the requirements for the series suddenly and dramatically increased.

        No plane

        6 units built, flying for certification.
        1. Serge Corvet Offline Serge Corvet
          Serge Corvet (Serge Corvet) April 15 2023 14: 59
          Funny. "Six Units Built, Flying for Certifications" - built from various sketches on napkins, all built on knees from a variety of bulk. There are no two identical ones built according to at least one set of technological documentation. What we certify is not clear. It is already necessary to certify the board, which is completely assembled from those components that are iron-clad in the documentation and have supply plans. There are none yet, and this applies to everything - from avionics components to the air duct coupling, which we suddenly “forgot how to do”.
          And there is no technological documentation, at least in the first approximation to the proven and fixed technical processes, which will make up the mass production line.
          “Nostril to nostril” is something new in glorifying Russia (as the legal successor of the Great Aircraft Building Power - the USSR), the main thing is to choose with whom it is in the nostril: Portugal, Brazil, China. Not ashamed? Many elders of the Soviet aircraft industry warned about the perniciousness of "international cooperation" - our great geopoliticians and macroeconomists in the Kremlin did not listen; they warned against crime to stop the production of Tu-204cm and Il-96 (which could have accelerated the mass production of the MS-21 with domestic engines, equipment and avionics already a million times proven) - they didn’t give a damn, they forgot in anticipation to receive loot from the supply of perjets-100 and MS- 21 over the hill - this is what these accelerated projects of import-aggregate prêt-à-porter products were aimed at.
          The main thing is to cut the loot, and not to provide communication between the regions with their truly domestic aircraft. What happened to the MS-21 and the Paget-100 is a natural occurrence in industries run by laymen with narrow thinking and a complete lack of specialized education, personal professional development and a lack of concern for strategic industrial state interests, all this is the same indelible shame on the whole the world as well as transport communication in sovereign Russia Moscow - Vladivostok or Moscow - Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky using Boeing-777 !!!
          1. Nelton Offline Nelton
            Nelton (Oleg) April 15 2023 15: 53
            Quote: Serge Corvet
            an indelible shame on the whole world, as well as transport communications in sovereign Russia Moscow - Vladivostok or Moscow - Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky using Boeing-777 !!!

            Oh what a shame...
            The whole world uses Boeing, it does not consider it a shame. Comrade Xi even has an N1 board - and that Boeing.

            What happened to MS-21 and Paget-100 is a natural occurrence

            This is a natural result of the irremovability of power, terry voluntarism and games in geopolitics, which always hit the long-suffering Russian economy.

            But even in these conditions, the industry works.

            Great aircraft-building power - the USSR

            Aircraft were built, yes ... only for money (SQ) even Iran did not want to take them.
          2. ksa Offline ksa
            ksa April 15 2023 20: 45
            Serge, but there are already six rotten ones flying. They haven't flown before. So there is progress!
        2. Materialist Offline Materialist
          Materialist (Michael) April 15 2023 15: 15
          ... during the program, the project had to be significantly changed twice -
          First, imported components for composite wings and center section fell out, then all other components.

          this is their pros .. and not only them. otherwise, everything would have been flying for a long time.
          but in general it was not necessary to slow down the Tu-214. but this is a consequence of paranoid decommunization.
          1. Nelton Offline Nelton
            Nelton (Oleg) April 15 2023 15: 55
            Quote: Materialist
            there was no need to slow down the Tu-214 at all.

            Tu 214 was supported all these years by the state. By order.

            Quote: Materialist
            a consequence of paronoid decommunization.

            This is the paranoid hatred of the supporters of the USSR for the modern Russian Federation and everything that has been done in it.

            And so - the red stars above the Kremlin are still burning, what more?
            1. hellman anton Offline hellman anton
              hellman anton (hellman anton) April 15 2023 16: 23
              government order support?
              from 2022 to 2030 they plan to produce 70 Tu214,
              Less than 10 aircraft per year. Boeing and Airbus will do so much in six months, even less (300+ aircraft per year)
              where did you see state support here? And well, salaries at the factory where they collect 50 thousand each. Any high-class specialist will screw it up right away.
              No need to tell fairy tales from the fairyland TV.
              Who prevented 8 years from investing in production, updating factories, immediately replacing imported parts? Damn Europe and the Americans, probably.
              Lies, fairy tales, absurdity.
              How will the country make aircraft if there is no program and an increase in salaries for future engineers? Fu, disgusting, the "patriots" show their nature,
              The light was reflected from the stratosphere and did not allow the Kremlin to lift the aircraft industry from its knees. Damn rays of the sun.

              8 years under sanctions + about 10 years with high oil prices (18 years). Couldn’t, now they can? Rhetorical question
              1. Nelton Offline Nelton
                Nelton (Oleg) April 15 2023 16: 48
                from 2022 to 2030 plan

                I'm not writing about "planning", but about actual orders for Russia and mines. Defense.
                1-2 boards per year.
                There were no other customers, there were no people willing to take for their money.

                can they now?

                Now, forcedly, they will take what they have.
              2. Serge Corvet Offline Serge Corvet
                Serge Corvet (Serge Corvet) April 15 2023 17: 40
                Bravo hellman anton! You are all correct! I subscribe to every word
              3. scolopendra Offline scolopendra
                scolopendra (Kirill Sazonov) April 17 2023 20: 25
                If you pay normal salaries, the planes will become literally golden. In order for the price of aircraft to be adequate, one must either not really pay employees and collect from scrap metal and sticks, or reach volumes of more than a hundred or two units a year, and not one year, but a dozen and a half at least. And that will be more expensive than Boeing, probably.
              4. Eugene KGD Offline Eugene KGD
                Eugene KGD (Evgeny Gagarkin) April 29 2023 07: 59
                Exactly!!!! And who will object to kicking with their feet! Curve plane. The pay is a disgrace...
  2. whitebeard Offline whitebeard
    whitebeard April 14 2023 17: 13
    I am more concerned about the production of not the MS-21 - it is clear with him that sooner or later he will be in mass production - but the Tu-214. There are more hitches for modernization (?) and quantitative production possibilities
  3. smart fellow Offline smart fellow
    smart fellow (smart fellow) April 15 2023 09: 43
    If the Tu-214 airliner, which consists entirely of Russian components, has already entered serial production

    The DPRK several years ago proposed a joint project for the production of Tu-214s, taking on part of the initial costs, but Moscow rejected the offer and the Koreans bought 2 An-148s. And now I still had to return to this plane.
    1. Materialist Offline Materialist
      Materialist (Michael) April 15 2023 15: 16
      ours ... allergic to the DPRK
    2. Fizik13 Offline Fizik13
      Fizik13 (Alexey) April 15 2023 22: 44
      Quote: smart fellow
      The DPRK proposed a joint project for the production of Tu-214 several years ago, taking on part of the initial costs, but Moscow rejected the offer .....

      Then we still blindly trusted the West and were content with the Super Jet .......
  4. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) April 16 2023 13: 06
    What prevents the Tu-214 from producing one aircraft per month? MS-21 is in development, in certification, then the launch of production, the correction of childhood diseases, and this will take about five years. It's just that the officials are waiting and hoping to return the Boeings and Airbuses again.
    1. dismas Offline dismas
      dismas (Andrei) April 17 2023 07: 43
      The position of the "operators" interferes, they need a two-member crew, without a flight engineer. Those. the cabin needs to be completely redesigned. The same "Aeroflot" takes the 214th slowly, in the hope of refinement to these requirements, or hz. for what. Will they release 12 boards a year, and "distribute" them like lottery tickets among the "residents of our ZhEK" in the "Diamond Hand"?