Is there a danger of excessive rapprochement between Russia and China?

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The visit of Xi Jinping, General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China, to Moscow left a mixed aftertaste. On the one hand, our country was able to firmly demonstrate to the whole world that it has a strong and influential ally capable of helping to solve a wide range of social problems.economic and militarypolitical tasks. But, on the other hand, the arrival of “His Excellency Mr. Xi Jinping” (this is how the distinguished guest was called in the Kremlin) was arranged in such a way that sometimes it gave the impression of a visit from an overseas overlord, and not an equal business partner.

What is worth the mere mention of the Secretary General of the CPC about supporting the nomination of our president for a new term, which the Russian public actually learned from the mouth of the Chinese leader. For many, such a gesture reminded the medieval tradition of issuing a label for reigning, which was common during the Golden Horde. And although now it is not the XNUMXth century in the yard, our country has again found itself in a situation where the fate of the entire Russian state actually depends on the eastern partners. Could it not turn out that such dependence in practice could turn out to be even more destructive than friendship with the West, and how will events develop in domestic politics against the backdrop of the strengthening of the “Beijing regional committee”? Let's get a look.



Is it beneficial for Russia to become a resource colony of China?


The Chinese leader's trip to Moscow was officially held under the slogans of friendship, cooperation and peace. During their public speeches, the parties constantly exchanged courtesies, admired the increase in trade between the two countries, talked about plans to strengthen relations and increase export-import deliveries. In addition to conversations with Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping also spoke with Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin and other high-ranking officials, with whom they discussed plans for further cooperation in priority sectors for our countries.

One of the main goals of such cooperation was the growth of mutual trade to $200 billion, which should happen this year. It is quite realistic to achieve this, because for the second year in a row this indicator has increased by an average of 30%, which indicates a very high growth rate of mutual trade. But, if you look at what accounts for such growth, you can draw very ambiguous conclusions.

The main export items from Russia to China are energy resources, which account for approximately 70% of our total trade turnover. We supply the Celestial Empire with oil, natural gas, coal, fuel oil and much more, produced in the vast expanses of our homeland. The Russian Federation also actively exports mineral resources, timber, agricultural products and seafood to China. In return, Beijing supplies our country with household machinery, industrial equipment, automobiles, microelectronics, clothing, footwear and other consumer goods.

In other words, for the PRC, Russia is now both a raw materials appendage and a market for high-tech goods. And following the visit of Comrade Xi, this role, apparently, will be finally fixed, because, according to the published statements, our country is going to further increase the supply of energy and natural resources to China. According to our president, in the coming years, the Russian Federation is going to increase gas exports to China and by 2030 supply there at least 98 billion cubic meters of natural gas plus 100 million tons of liquefied natural gas. At the same time, it is planned to increase gas supplies through the Power of Siberia pipeline, as well as to intensify work on the construction of a new Power of Siberia - 2 pipeline.

It is clear that against the backdrop of a sharp decline in exports to Europe and other countries, such a deal is a kind of lifeline for the Russian economy. But after China finally becomes the main buyer of Russian energy resources, it will receive even more leverage not only on our economy, but also on other areas of public life. Not to mention the fact that Russia agrees to sell its resources at bargain prices, which are now several times lower than they were a few years ago.

Will Beijing help solve the “Ukrainian issue”?


From the arrival of Xi Jinping, many expected progress in terms of resolving the "Ukrainian issue." However, as a result, we see that there were no significant changes in this regard, and could not have happened. The reason for this is a fundamental contradiction in the vision of how this issue should be resolved and in whose favor.

For our country, the only acceptable scenario is a complete victory over the Kyiv regime and the liberation of Ukraine from neo-Nazi power. Achieving this goal is possible only through a significant increase in our military potential, mobilization of the rear and gaining true sovereignty. If Russia nevertheless manages to solve this, without exaggeration, historical task, then it will be able to take a dominant position on the entire Eurasian continent.

But this outcome is not for everyone. As we can see, after a year of "successful" implementation of the NWO, Beijing began to actively call for a peaceful settlement and the start of a negotiation process. This is not surprising, because a protracted conflict is quite harmful to the interests of China, which is interested in the normal course of economic processes, the absence of sanctions and the growth of mutual trade with all countries. They perfectly understand that a Russian victory can significantly change the geopolitical balance of power and lead to the fact that our country will already dictate the terms of the conclusion of certain agreements.

But even more, China does not need the victory of Ukraine and its Western masters, because in this case, problems could begin in Russia itself. The destabilization of the closest ally is far from what the Celestial Empire is striving for, therefore its peace plan is the only one that will now be pushed through at all levels. According to our military-political leadership, this peace plan suits Moscow in many respects. But whether it will help to ensure the strategic stability and prosperity of our country is not entirely clear.
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  1. +1
    22 March 2023 18: 10
    China flooded the United States with cheap consumer goods. Yes, and the rest of the world. Is it possible to assume that Russia will be an exception?
    At the same time, we are talking about CHEAP consumer goods. What high-tech can China provide? Developments in nuclear power plants? Maybe someone heard about the latest Chinese scientific developments? Someone said, "for China to start producing something, it must be invented in Europe."
    Russia supplies energy resources to China and will become dependent on China? Europe received cheap energy resources from Russia. And she screams that she has become dependent on Russia. Where is the plus, where is the minus?
    "Label to reign" was the order of the Horde. Mr Xi's wish is just a wish. Beijing will not decide.
    1. RUR
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      22 March 2023 19: 03
      You see, things are heading for a major war, but China is still in the military field
      made progress ... It’s interesting about the Horde and the Label, but the Labels were given back in the Mongol Empire, in which China played a huge role, and not just in the Horde ... it’s interesting what Russians now think - in articles and even monographs, what, princes they went to the Horde in a European way for investiture, and not for an Asian label ... for example, type in Google: "The Grand Duke of Vladimir is approved by the kagan, Rostov and Ryazan princes go to Karakorum for investiture ..", they also believe that in Russia / Muscovy, etc., there was also European feudalism, i.e. a feudal lord with a castle and his own land ... they invented, like, a European history for themselves: and Russia is, like, real Europe ... and this despite the fact that under the Mongols and the Horde, absolutely ALL (!!!) the land belonged to the Khan, and not to some princes there, a later phenomenon - the Russian landowners were not the owners of the land either - it belonged to the state, which placed these landlords (from the word Place) in these estates ... such a method of production in economic works, for example, Marx, is called the Asian mode of production, uniting Russia, China and the rest of Asia ... both Russia and China are building STATE Capitalism, which does not exist in the West ... so that Russia and China have a lot in common. Russia is now so isolated from the West, as in the days of the Horde, and this is for a very long time ... Peskov said today that the Kremlin, after the visit of the Chinese head, excludes meetings with Biden, i.e. this, in other words, has such a meaning - Russia is with you, and only with you, dear older Chinese brother - Russian and Chinese are brothers forever !!! (and what about the Ukrainian and Belarusian, like, also a brother?)
      1. +1
        22 March 2023 20: 35
        You have a unique knowledge of history.
        1. RUR
          -2
          22 March 2023 21: 32
          I would say otherwise - well-known, these are your unique gaps, but the Internet is at your service ...
          1. +2
            22 March 2023 21: 54
            I didn't say anything at all. And you have already identified my gaps. I say unique.

            What is patrimonial land ownership? Existed in Rus' before the Mongol invasion.
            1. RUR
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              22 March 2023 22: 00
              I didn't say anything at all. I say unique.

              here you contradict yourself ... "didn't say anything." - "I'm talking" - confused in two phrases
              1. +1
                22 March 2023 22: 32
                So what about the feudal lords in pre-Mongol Rus'?
                1. RUR
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                  22 March 2023 22: 42
                  Bakhtiyar, real feudalism with castles and land owned by the feudal lord begins in western Belarus and Ukraine, there you can see it from the castles and their ruins, and then this is Polish influence, NK and further to the west ... real (European / Western) grew out of such feudalism capitalism, in Russia there was no real feudalism, respectively, and there is no developed capitalism, even state capitalism - i.e. at least Chinese...
                  1. +1
                    22 March 2023 23: 12
                    What does true feudalism mean? Locks? The land was owned by the feudal lords. In Rus' they were called boyars. They were vassals of the Grand Duke. Yes, the prince could take away the land, and even kill the boyar (feudal lord) himself. But in the West, the king could deprive his vassal of both land and life. The boyars were the feudal lords in Rus'. In the fullest and most direct sense of the word.
                    Only Peter's reforms began to equalize the feudal lords (boyars) with the service nobles (landlords).

                    As for labels, these were Khan's permission to reign. That is land ownership and tax collection. The first Russian prince who received a label from the Horde for the right to collect tribute from all Russian lands (not only his estates) was Ivan Kalita.
                    1. RUR
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                      23 March 2023 09: 33
                      During the time of the Mongol Empire and the Horde, the land - all the land - was the property of the Khan, in Europe - a feud
                      (from him the word Feudal) - the most characteristic form of land ownership of the ruling class in Europe - What kind of feudal lords are there in Russia / Muscovy / Horde?

                      once again -

                      Russian landowners were not owners of the land either - it belonged to the state, which placed these landlords (from the word Place) on these estates ...

                      but here's an introduction to the history of the economy (Russian of course)
                      https://kpfu.ru/portal/docs/F1506768044/lekcii.39.pdf

                      Thus, the landowners were not the owners of the land. The land was the property of the state and was used to support the army. State.

                      Once again: feud (from it the word Feudal) is the most characteristic land form of ownership of the ruling class in Europe

                      - What kind of feudal lords are there in Russia / Muscovy / Horde? In Russia, European terms have simply been torn apart, behind which lies a different reality, i.e. embellished and pretended to be Europe, probably for this it was done, but got a country of crooked mirrors
                      1. 0
                        23 March 2023 09: 41
                        So in Europe, the feudal lord was initially given the feud not for beautiful eyes, but for service.
                        That in Europe the feudal lords began to skimp on that service - that is the problem of European overlords.
                        For the same Poland, this ended in partition.
                      2. +1
                        24 March 2023 07: 11
                        We are talking about the distribution of plots of land with the peasants living there to combatants. Let, they say, now each of the newly-minted landowners himself collects tribute from the population and uses these funds to support his family and acquire a horse and all military equipment.

                        The prince began to distribute the land to combatants as inherited property. This is how the class of feudal lords and its first detachment, the boyars, began to emerge.

                        And if the land was given into inheritable property, then already in the next generation the young boyar-heir received land from his father (not from the prince!), which was reflected in the name of this allotment - it was called "patrimony" or "patrimony". This moment should be well remembered, since with the advent of the patrimony, the boyars received a solid material base for independent existence: now they no longer "fed from the hands of the prince" and therefore became potentially independent. Such a system would have significant consequences for the Old Russian state. This refers to the period of feudal fragmentation.

                        And one more "technological detail" should be mentioned. Due to the very rare population of the boyars, vast territories were assigned to the estates - so that a sufficient number of villages would be within their borders. This circumstance will also have serious consequences in the future.

                        This is how feudalism appeared in Rus'.
                    2. RUR
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                      23 March 2023 11: 14
                      But in the West, the king could deprive his vassal of both land and life.

                      He could not - although there were probably rare exceptions - a nobleman in the West / Europe was punished only through a noble court, and the king in Europe is only one of the feudal lords. This is not a Khan, Padishah / Russian Tsar, etc. ... The noble court in Russia was introduced late, in imitation of Europe, only in 1785

                      On April 21 (May 2), 1785, Catherine II signed a legislative act: “A charter on the rights, liberties and advantages of the noble Russian nobility”

                      "Charter to the nobility" consisted of an introductory manifesto and four sections (92 articles): On the personal advantages of the nobles; On the assembly of nobles, the establishment of a noble society in the province, and on the benefits of a noble society; Instruction for composing and continuing the noble genealogical book in the vicegerency; Evidence of nobility.

                      The charter brought together and finally secured all the privileges of the nobility. In accordance with it, the nobility was provided with special significant benefits in comparison with other estates - freedom from compulsory service, payment of taxes, the right to own serfs and land within their possessions. The honor, life and property of a nobleman could henceforth be taken away only after a crime committed by him, proven by a court consisting of his peers. The nobility was henceforth referred to as "noble".

                      And so, the Tsar could execute, torture, torture, beat Russian nobles at will / need without trial or investigation ... they were not very different from Russian serfs in this respect ... In Poland, for example, no one had the right to gentry to detain, it was also legal:

                      Also, the gentry could refuse to obey the king, creating a confederation and oppose him with weapons in their hands.
            2. -1
              22 March 2023 22: 34
              Bakhtiyar, only a fool could say that he had a well-known knowledge of history. You are lucky. Yes

              Quote: RUR
              I would say otherwise - well-known ...
              1. RUR
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                22 March 2023 22: 57
                isofat, what does not suit you, so smart? - the first time you hear about the Asian mode of production? Do you see castles with feudal lords and their lands in Russia? Did you go to the Horde for investiture? Not behind a label? Is it true? Well, now everyone, except for the most stupid ones, can find information on the Internet, even the works of specialists in any field.
                1. -1
                  23 March 2023 11: 44
                  RUR, even if stupid people can find everything on the Internet, then do not ask questions, but turn on the Internet search. Good luck. love
                  1. RUR
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                    23 March 2023 12: 28
                    I have questions for you, and not on the topic, so you still, as you can clearly see, see castles in Russia and a Western, not an Asian, method of production ...

                    Here is an internet search. issues: https://resh.edu.ru/subject/lesson/7919/conspect/

                    Khan owned all the lands and population. His power was based on a huge army and numerous officials. The Golden Horde included many tribes and ...

                    https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/zapadnyy-feodalizm-i-russkiy-obschestvennyy-stroy-polemika-s-a-a-gorskim

                    It is no coincidence that in our time, researchers are increasingly saying that there was no feudalism in the Russian lands.

                    I have success, unlike you...
                    1. -1
                      23 March 2023 21: 10
                      Learning how to use the Internet search is a good skill. laughing
                      1. RUR
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                        23 March 2023 21: 31
                        Unavailable idofat... although links are given...
      2. 0
        22 March 2023 20: 44
        Russia is now so isolated from the West, as in the days of the Horde, and this is for a very long time.

        Is this good or bad?
        1. RUR
          -1
          22 March 2023 21: 49
          I think that in the West there are more subtle methods of subjugating stupid citizens, many of whom do not even understand all the manipulation ... I think that it will be gloomy, to put it mildly, on both sides of the divided world ... both on its western part and on the eastern Same...
          1. +1
            22 March 2023 21: 58
            I just read an interesting article today. The bottom line is that many "experts" have a Freudian complex. They really believe that someone should lie under someone. Otherwise, they do not represent international relations.
            1. RUR
              +1
              22 March 2023 22: 29
              Well, tell us about them as soon as possible, especially about some other, probably equal relations between the Russian Federation and China ... - you are the only one ...
              1. +1
                22 March 2023 22: 38
                To begin with, it would be necessary to say what unequal relations are.

                Russia sells resources to China. Until now, I have been selling to the West (generally). What changed? Relations with China are more economically justified than with the West.

                Russia is not the strongest economy in the world? It has never been like this in its entire history. Russia was strong (and now too). But she never came first. And will not be due to the small population. So in comparison with China (probably already the first economy in the world), it will always be in second place. But this does not make it a satellite of China.

                I do not see inequality between China and Russia.
                1. RUR
                  -1
                  22 March 2023 23: 06
                  Compare the population, the size of economies, cash reserves, I gave a link there: https://www.mk.ru/economics/2023/03/07/deficit-byudzheta-za-dva-mesyaca-pochti-dostig-godovykh-znacheniy -chem-eto-grozit.html

                  The Ministry of Finance announced a shortage in the amount of 2,58 trillion rubles in January-February: the annual plan of 2,92 trillion is within easy reach. And there are still ten months to go. In any case, the state will have to plug this hole, or at least try to restrain the pace of its expansion. But I would like to understand where the money will come from in the treasury,

                  The treasury is almost empty, as they say, there is no machine tool industry,
                  there are no or not enough drones, but you all want to be equal?
                  1. 0
                    22 March 2023 23: 21
                    You are confusing different things. The level of production and independence. They are connected, of course. But not so much. The machines are being produced. Maybe not so good and not in that quantity, but they are produced. Drones are also released. Up to 1000 drones per month are expected at Almaz-Antey alone. The treasury is not empty. There are gold reserves, there is free money. You can also print. I told you what the reserve is - 1,7 trillion rubles.
                    And one can speak on equal terms with China. And such a conversation is going on. What is the Chinese Foreign Ministry's appeal to the US today?

                    “Is it fair to continuously escalate the conflict? Is it really fair to let the crisis engulf the whole world? We recommend that the American side think about its own role in the issue of Ukraineturn away from the misguided path of adding fuel to the fire and stop blaming China.”
                    Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Wang Wenbin

                    This is a response to US dissatisfaction with Xi's trip to Moscow.

                    I told you - it will not work on an equal footing due to the different weight of the partners. But getting sanctions in return for supplying resources "is worse than a crime. It's a mistake."
                    1. -1
                      22 March 2023 23: 55
                      Bakhtiyar, the treasury is not empty, you are right. Only revenues to the treasury decreased, in a number of positions. This is the beginning of the year, and chickens are counted in the fall. Yes
                      1. +2
                        23 March 2023 07: 12
                        Agree. But in the fall they count in the States. There, it seems, the financial year is in September. The Ministry of Finance of Russia counts for December. It's a joke, if anything.
                        The final diagnosis will be at the end of the year. From the second quarter revenue growth is predicted. But we have already seen that forecasts are inaccurate things.
                        Can you imagine that the leadership of the country is willing to lose the war because they are afraid of increasing inflation? Are these things comparable?
                      2. RUR
                        -2
                        23 March 2023 09: 49
                        There you have data from the Ministry of Finance itself ... and you are talking about forecasts - these are not forecasts, but statistics, the real state of affairs ... I say - a country of crooked mirrors ...
                      3. +2
                        23 March 2023 10: 57
                        And what do the data of the Ministry of Finance show? That in two months the shortage amounted to 2,58 trillion. rubles. And what? Time to hang up?
                        Do you want other data?
                        On the current situation in the Russian economy for December 2022 - January 2023
                        https://www.economy.gov.ru/material/file/c5eae890fdea17276c86004981bd51f2/2023_02_08.pdf

                        The results of 2022 for most indicators of the Russian economy turned out to be better than the expectations of the expert community

                        On the current situation in the Russian economy for January 2023 - February 2023
                        https://www.economy.gov.ru/material/file/0cbb5394e03169f0a18ee01d6aea7775/2023_03_01.pdf

                        In January 2023, the economy continued to recover. According to the Russian Ministry of Economic Development, excluding the seasonal factor, in January the GDP grew by +0,2% m/m SA. In annual terms, the decline in GDP slowed to -3,2% y/y after -4,2% y/y in December 2022 (at the end of 2022, a decrease of -2,1%).

                        Nobody denies the difficulties. During the war, they should be. But I don't see anything catastrophic.

                        The volume of cash in circulation as of January 1, 2023 amounted to 16,4 trillion rubles, which is 2,3 trillion rubles more than last year, follows from the data presented on the website of the Bank of Russia. Central Bank statistics have been available since 2002 and this figure is the highest. The previous record was set on March 1, 2022, when the amount of cash in Russia reached 15,82 trillion rubles.

                        As you can see, the amount of issued money amounted to 2,3 trillion rubles. Inflation was about 5%. Which roughly corresponds to inflation in the Eurozone and in the US. In Eastern European countries, inflation is over the top 10-15%.
                      4. +2
                        23 March 2023 14: 07
                        Refinement.
                        Different sources give different numbers. Therefore, for the sake of fairness, I should also give updated figures on inflation. Moreover, Mishustin confirmed these data today.

                        The situation in Russia looks quite stable compared to European countries: inflation in the Russian Federation in 2022 amounted to 11,94% (for comparison, in 2021 it was 8,4%). Although this is quite comparable with the EU, the difference between Russian inflation and European inflation is the absence of an energy crisis. The maximum increase in prices was passed back in April, after a sharp depreciation of the ruble and the rush demand of Russians for consumer goods.

                        In EU countries, from 5,4% in Luxembourg to 24,5% in Hungary. In Germany 8,6%, in the UK 10,5%. In the States -7,9%.

                        Mishustin announced an increase in the minimum wage by 18%
                      5. RUR
                        -2
                        23 March 2023 15: 45
                        https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/88551
                        A protracted turn. What will be the next 10 years of the Russian economy

                        Already mobilized 300 thousand aged 22-50 reduce the dynamics of GDP by 0,5%, and the Russian authorities may not be limited to one wave. It is more difficult to calculate the long-term losses from the physically and psychologically crippled men during the military operation, as well as the outflow of the active population abroad due to fear of being mobilized. According to various estimates, from 500 to 1 million people have left Russia since the beginning of the war.

                        The severance of external relations is leading Russia to regressive import substitution: lost import components will be replaced by less advanced counterparts. The labor market will be pressured by a shortage of qualified personnel - the brain drain will continue, including due to the simplification of tasks and the lack of access to advanced technologies. The remaining specialists will be fought for, which can increase their salaries faster than productivity grows, which will add inflationary risks. The development of the economy will turn in the opposite direction, and it will take three to five years to simply fix the negative balance.

                        The government and President Vladimir Putin like to repeat that Russia has everything necessary for development inside the country. But in order to move to growth based on internal resources, it is necessary first of all to end the war with Ukraine...

                        The author of the article does not write anything about Ukraine and its restoration, but what can Russia offer here, given:

                        Putin offered China 100 billion cubic meters of gas annually, six times more than Gazprom is pumping now, and said that the project for a new gas pipeline with a capacity of 6 billion cubic meters per year was practically agreed upon.

                        However, in the joint statement signed by Xi, there is not a word about the gas pipeline, but only about “strengthening the partnership” in energy. In a press statement, Xi did not say a word about Russian gas.

                        The Chinese contract is needed by Gazprom, which lost the European market and lost more than half of its exports last year. Gas pumping to Europe has fallen to the levels of the last years of the USSR, and this year it will return to the times of Leonid Brezhnev and Yuri Andropov.

                        "Gazprom is in a catastrophic situation with exports," a source close to the company told Reuters. China will buy 22 billion cubic meters of gas this year - 7 times less than the European Union consumed before the military operation in Ukraine. The cost of these deliveries is $290 per thousand cubic meters, while contract prices for Europe are $1000 in December, BCS analyst Ronald Smith estimates.

                        The discount for China reaches 70%. But the problem is that "it just doesn't need the extra gas," says Butt Odgerel, senior analyst at the Energy Policy Research Foundation.

                        China does not want to repeat the mistake of Europe and intends to diversify suppliers,

                        Considering here the discussion about feudalism and peripheral capitalism, one has to conclude that Muscovy / Russia is not able to digest the pieces - Ukraine, Belarus - that for a long time did not develop in accordance with the Asian mode of production ... since the community broke up in Belarus, Ukraine is very early in comparison with Russia, and voluntarily were not part of Russia ...
                      6. -2
                        23 March 2023 16: 20
                        Quote: RUR
                        The development of the economy will turn in the opposite direction, and it will take three to five years to simply fix the negative balance.

                        In theorycraft, the Russian economy should have been torn to shreds altogether, with the stopping of planes / trains and power plants.
                        Everywhere one import...

                        In practice, with all the existing problems, the situation is much better than the expected collapse.

                        Industry tapes continue to contain the headings "mastered production", "commissioned", "construction started".

                        For example, some delay in the launch of the BCL in Moscow was associated with a lack of equipment for stations / tunnels and components for new trains.
                        However, the line was launched, although some of the trains were indeed removed from the Kaluga-Rizhskaya line.
                        But more than that, Metrovagonmash signed up for the supply of 28 cars for the Minsk Metro. But the Troitskaya metro line to Msk is on the way, these are the same cars and equipment.
                      7. RUR
                        -1
                        23 March 2023 16: 27
                        In theorycraft, the Russian economy should have been torn to shreds altogether, with the stopping of planes / trains and power plants.

                        Depreciation of such equipment is slow - so wait a few years

                        I like the other part of the quote:

                        The government and President Vladimir Putin like to repeat that Russia has everything necessary for development inside the country. But in order to move to growth based on internal resources, it is necessary first of all to end the war with Ukraine...

                        All of a sudden, everything necessary for development was discovered in Russia inside the country, for 30 years they thought differently ... the war helped to reveal this, or what?
                      8. -2
                        23 March 2023 16: 52
                        Quote: RUR
                        Depreciation of such equipment is slow - so wait a few years

                        Very differently, something for a long time, but somewhere it was necessary to change consumables or spare parts yesterday.

                        I like the other part of the quote:
                        The government and President Vladimir Putin like to repeat

                        What Putin said there is not for me.

                        Quote: RUR
                        For 30 years they thought differently ... the war helped to reveal this, or what?

                        30 years ...
                        in these 30 years there were a number of stages, which it was hardly possible to skip.
                        Let's say, until 2014, Russia bought a lot of Ukrainian equipment and components, up to cast-iron tubing for metro tunnels.
                        by 2022, almost all have been successfully replaced.
                      9. -2
                        23 March 2023 18: 56
                        Quote: RUR
                        Depreciation of such equipment is slow - so wait a few years

                        Suddenly, everything necessary for the development of Russia was found inside the country, for 30 years they thought otherwise.

                        Here in the continuation of the topic - the most important aspect, the production of freight cars.

                        At the end of 2022, the market for the production of freight rolling stock fell by 19% compared to the previous year, 50,9 thousand cars were produced by domestic car builders. At the same time, the production of innovative railcars decreased by 50%, to 11,2 thousand units. Such a drop is largely due to the lack of imported components for the assembly of cassette bearings used in the production of innovative cars and a sharp shortage of which was observed on the market as a result of the departure of foreign manufacturers last year.

                        If we talk about the freight car building industry, the main factor in the decline in production in 2022 was the lack of in-house production of all components of cassette bearings used in the production of freight cars with an axle load of 25 tf or innovative ones. As a result of the departure of foreign manufacturers, a large-scale shortage first formed, and then a complete absence of such components on the market, which provoked a halt in the production of new innovative railcars and the abandonment of those already produced from operation due to the impossibility of timely repairs.

                        The Tikhvin Carriage Works (introduced in 2012) stopped for the summer.
                        It would seem that everything was going to roll back the industry 30 years ago.

                        By now, the situation has somewhat leveled off: EPK and TEK-KOM Production are developing their own capacities, and deliveries of cassette bearings from friendly countries have been organized (in February 2023, the share of such bearings supplied to the infrastructure of Russian Railways for freight cars , amounted to 49%).
                        wagon production volumes in 2023 will amount to about 45 thousand units. In our opinion, this is the most realistic scenario. At the same time, taking into account the fact that the problem of the shortage of cassette bearings is no longer so acute, we predict the production of innovative rolling stock this year at a level of 30-35% of the total share

                        In this aspect, the battles on the economic front went on in the summer of 2022, and they continue to go on in various directions.
                      10. RUR
                        -1
                        23 March 2023 20: 53
                        before the war, the Russian economy was expected to grow by up to 4% between February and December in 2022. Instead, it declined by 3-6% during this time according to various sources.- i.e. we have a decline in GDP of 7-10%.... The World Bank believes that $ 411 billion is needed to restore Ukraine - this is not the whole bill, the lost profits of Ukraine are not taken into account, if, as they say, GDP fell by 40%. and it was 200,1 miliarda USD in 2021, then plus at least 80 billion USD + some kind of compensation for the dead and wounded, treatment, etc. ... The GDP of the Russian Federation in 2022 is somewhere around $ 1,7-18 trillion, according to various sources - as evaluate prospects?
                      11. 0
                        23 March 2023 23: 29
                        I have already mentioned. You have unique knowledge of history. Now for economics.
                        Wait and see.

                        Big request. The state "Muscovy" does not exist. There is the state of Russia. By the way, the capital of this state (Russia) is Moscow.

                        A little clarification on gas. In the best months of 2022, Gazprom sold to Europe at $600-700 per thousand cubic meters. Given this price, 290 for China is a very good price. So I don't see any 70% discount.
                      12. RUR
                        -2
                        24 March 2023 13: 37
                        I use "Muscovy" in a historical context - the name that existed ... - you are the only one, ignoring historical facts, and all your princes with giblets belonged to the Khan, not only the land

                        https://resh.edu.ru/subject/lesson/7919/conspect/

                        Khan owned all the lands and population. His power was based on a huge army and numerous officials. The Golden Horde included many tribes and ...

                        https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/zapadnyy-feodalizm-i-russkiy-obschestvennyy-stroy-polemika-s-a-a-gorskim

                        It is no coincidence that in our time, researchers are increasingly saying that there was no feudalism in the Russian lands.

                        Hence, in Russia, the Asian mode of production is also enough information on the net, it will not work to ignore
                      13. 0
                        24 March 2023 14: 36
                        First. You use the term Muscovy/Russia.

                        And now to the point. All the signs of feudalism inherent in the West were in Russia. The feud was called a fiefdom. The king handed out lands to his distinguished soldiers for unlimited use. The Grand Duke distributed the land to combatants for unlimited use.
                        The lands became hereditary both in the West and in Russia. And they were already passed on to descendants by virtue of birth, and not by decision of the king / Grand Duke.
                        As the efforts of the feuds (destinies) began, feudal wars began (in Russia this was called princely civil strife). There was a fragmentation of the state (separate provinces and kingdoms in the West and specific principalities in Russia). If the central power was strengthened, then the center became the capital of the state (Paris or Moscow). This did not happen in Germany. Hence the dozen separate principalities.
                        For some reason you all reduce to Khan. Feudalism began long before the Mongol invasion. The khans simply delayed the development of a centralized state. They kept separate principalities and gave a label for reigning (Vladimir, Ryazan, Tver).
                        There is not a single parameter that would distinguish the feudalism of the West and Russia. Feudal relations were also in Asia and Japan. Feudalism is not a king-feudal relationship. This is a form of economic relations. Not all countries have gone through it. But the majority. And Russia was no exception. Again. Forget khans. Feudal relations began to emerge in Europe and Russia from about the 8th-9th centuries. Then no one had heard of the Mongols. Dozens of works have been written about feudalism in Russia.

                        "Asiatic mode of production" came up with Marx. The Internet is also full of criticism of this thesis. And most economists don't accept it. It's funny when they try to pass off a failed hypothesis of the 19th century as a revelation in the 21st century.

                        And finally. If I write that you have unique knowledge, then I mean your "knowledge". When you write that I am "unique", then you get personal. It doesn't suit you, to put it mildly.
                      14. RUR
                        -1
                        24 March 2023 15: 19
                        If I write that you have unique knowledge, then I mean your "knowledge".

                        This is not my knowledge, I wrote to you - well-known, but yours is unique, read a modern Russian school textbook .., TEXTBOOKS ARE APPROVED AT THE MINISTRY OF EDUCATION AND REVIEWED AT ACADEMIES OF SCIENCES:
                        https://resh.edu.ru/subject/lesson/7919/conspect/

                        Khan owned all the lands and population.

                        those. and your princes too - what kind of feudalism is there? So it was in all of Asia... - one can criticize, but this is the most important sign - you can't get away from it, that's why there is an ASIAN WAY. The votchina constituted an insignificant percentage of possessions in Russia...

                        and yes the RUSSIAN economics textbook tells you the same thing:
                        (Russian of course)
                        https://kpfu.ru/portal/docs/F1506768044/lekcii.39.pdf

                        Thus, the landowners were not the owners of the land. The land was the property of the state and was used to support the army. State.

                        In Russia, then Muscovy, obscure European terms were picked up and put on their Eastern realities - hence the confusion ... since academic science came to Russia from Europe. There was no Latin in the Horde / Muscovy - this is an obscure borrowing

                        I propose to end on this
                      15. 0
                        24 March 2023 15: 24
                        I propose to end there. You never left to reduce feudalism to the Khan. The first Russian principalities received in personal inalienable property were received by the khans. You are again confusing landowners and patrimonial lands.

                        Since you continue to use incorrect terms (Horde / Muscovy), then the rest simply does not make sense.

                        Just one of many jobs
                        Feudalism in Rus' X-XIII centuries.
                        http://odrl.pushkinskijdom.ru/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=mImS5Rs8Vps%3D&tabid=2296
                      16. 0
                        24 March 2023 14: 49
                        Quote: RUR
                        Asian way of production

                        ... the desert plains required irrigation irrigation, which in turn assumed a strong central authority capable of organizing collective agricultural work.

                        - has nothing to do with corvée and dues.

                        Here are the construction sites of Peter I or Stalin - yes, it has a number of common features with that same Asian way.
                        Well, for your tasks - your own ways.

                        all your princes with giblets belonged to the Khan

                        Until a certain point...
                        But nevertheless - the Rurikovichs in Muscovy retained their possessions, and in Lithuania - they were all replaced by the Gediminoviches. Europe!
                      17. -2
                        23 March 2023 11: 50
                        Quote: RUR
                        There you have data from the Ministry of Finance itself ...

                        ... data from the Ministry of Finance in the interpretation of a philologist. Yes
          2. 0
            22 March 2023 23: 13
            Now, about Comrade Xi, resources must be supplied for two reasons: money in bins, once, China will become stronger and stronger, that's two. So the United States will have to transfer most of the resources to China. But, this is the time! There is no Russia at all! And the fairy tale that there will be no negotiations with Biden and Putin is for children. Putin will come running as soon as Biden hints. Not a single leader of Russia has made such a lot of mistakes in 10 years (Yeltsin doesn’t count, this is generally a pathology). He knows how to wishful thinking. But to foresee at least a biological attack from drones!
    2. 0
      22 March 2023 19: 43
      At the same time, it is planned to increase oil supplies via the Power of Siberia pipeline, as well as to intensify work on the construction of a new Power of Siberia - 2 pipeline.

      if Marzhetsky wrote this, I would not be surprised, but I did not expect from Shilov! It turns out that oil is being driven along the SS and SS-2, it’s good that it’s not moonshine! interesting, comrade Si know? about the label - also an overlap, comrade. Xi shows the whole world that the decisions of the ICC are not a decree for him, and if we don’t finish the SVO by 2024, then there will be no elections, they will be postponed
      1. RUR
        -2
        22 March 2023 21: 40
        https://www.mk.ru/economics/2023/03/07/deficit-byudzheta-za-dva-mesyaca-pochti-dostig-godovykh-znacheniy-chem-eto-grozit.html

        The Ministry of Finance announced a shortage in the amount of 2,58 trillion rubles in January-February: the annual plan of 2,92 trillion is within easy reach. And there are still ten months to go. In any case, the state will have to plug this hole, or at least try to restrain the pace of its expansion. But I would like to understand where the money will come from in the treasury,

        What are you hoping for? If the Kremlin ruled out a meeting between Putin and Biden after Xi Jinping's visit, then it is clear that talking with the Americans is now the business of the older and beloved Chinese brother... - this is about a label...
        1. 0
          22 March 2023 21: 59
          Quote: RUR
          If the Kremlin ruled out a meeting between Putin and Biden

          Well, what should Putin talk to him about?
          1. RUR
            -1
            22 March 2023 22: 08
            After the decision to threaten the ICC, it’s true, it’s hard to imagine what, that’s why Xi will talk ... and what you ask him about
            1. +1
              22 March 2023 22: 48
              Quote: RUR
              After the decision to threaten the ICC, however, it is difficult to imagine what

              Do we forget the threats of the ICC itself?
              1. RUR
                -2
                23 March 2023 09: 54
                Sooner or later, a moment will come in Ukraine when negotiations will have to be held, but it seems that the older Chinese brother will conduct them, and the younger one will nervously smoke on the sidelines ...
                1. -1
                  23 March 2023 20: 54
                  RUR, with whom in Ukraine will the older Chinese brother negotiate? laughing
                  1. RUR
                    -1
                    23 March 2023 21: 45
                    but in Ukraine there will come a moment

                    isofat can neither read Russian nor use an Internet search engine... and on the western side, the US will probably be the main negotiator....

                    But with Ukraine too - something is starting to reach some: https://iarex.ru/news/92460.html

                    Dmitry Medvedev has no desire to “put up with the fact that we live in different apartments”, let him not put up with it, but how many of us have those who want to settle all Ukrainians again in our “apartment”? And especially those who want to give their lives and the lives of their sons for this?
                2. 0
                  26 March 2023 11: 08
                  Quote: RUR
                  but it seems that they will be led by an older Chinese brother

                  What about the ICC?
        2. +1
          22 March 2023 22: 06
          If the US has a $2 trillion deficit, no one is scared. Printing press at hand.
          Until 2022, Russia could not increase the money supply because it followed the requirements of the IMF. Now there is no such restriction. Russia's GDP is about 150 trillion rubles. It costs nothing to print a couple trillion. There is a margin of safety. Even if you follow the instructions of the IMF.
          1. RUR
            -1
            22 March 2023 22: 22
            Inflation, it slows down the development of the economy... The United States is a different story, since the dollar is still a world currency, not a local one...
            1. +2
              22 March 2023 22: 43
              The dollar is losing its role as a world currency. That's what we've been talking about lately. And this was also discussed at the meeting between Xi and Putin.

              There is always inflation. And in all countries. The 2 trillion rubles printed are quietly provided by Russia's income. This is written even in the documents of the IMF. The money supply in Russia has been increasing for the second year in a row. And it may well increase by another 2 trillion. rubles (according to my calculations, I admit, superficial, based on published data) printing another 2 trillion rubles (more precisely, 1,7 trillion) will not affect inflation in any way.
              1. RUR
                -1
                23 March 2023 11: 26
                The dollar is losing its role as a world currency. That's what we've been talking about lately.

                I agree, but it still remains the world currency, and for some, quite a long time, it will be
                1. -1
                  23 March 2023 20: 48
                  RUR, it's good that a long time. This means that many will be saved.
      2. +1
        23 March 2023 14: 39
        Marzhetsky is a good reporter, you are in vain. By the way, today is his birthday.
        Happy holiday to you Sergey!
  2. +5
    22 March 2023 18: 12
    I do not think that China would benefit from the defeat of Russia. China benefits from the position in which Russia is now. Here, everything largely depends only on us. Without losing dignity, it is necessary to keep prices for exports to this country. China already receives so much from us. And in the end, increase its own production. They have their own calculations, we have our own.
  3. -2
    22 March 2023 21: 25
    All these arguments are nonsense.
    There is still no choice - just change the beads for resources. And the beads have to be changed in all countries - NATO (record sold resources in 2022), India, Japan, Pakistan, Arabs, blacks, Asians, Latinos, even USA ...

    well, China does not require to buy beads only from him.
    Multi-vector, so scolded Ura-media - taxis
  4. 0
    22 March 2023 21: 50
    the arrival of "His Excellency Mr. Xi Jinping"

    Putin himself destroyed everything that the communists had been building for 70 years: mechanical engineering, machine tool building, cars, engines, electronics. Even the threads are imported. Therefore, Xi is His Excellency, and Putin is on "errands." And what to do, "if you want to live, you won't get so upset"!

    therefore, her peace plan is the only one that will now be pushed through at all levels.

    Everything is correct. Shells with uranium will be delivered anyway, but a bomb, "vigorous or dirty", takes time for this. Another Minsk, everyone understands this, but Putin, as usual, doesn’t get it right away. Peace must be concluded on the Polish border!
    1. -2
      22 March 2023 23: 02
      And exactly Putin, and not those who taxied in the holy 90s? Putin, by the way, having come to power, first of all took care of restoring the closed cycle of production of launch vehicles on the territory of Russia, for which special thanks to him. Because the Soviet backlog is not eternal, and without this we would have been taken "warm" for 10 years, IMHO.
  5. -3
    23 March 2023 08: 09
    There is no danger at the moment. Some pluses. But in the future it may be. Everything depends on us. Now we have a chance to free ourselves from the dependence of the West. Yes, we are weak, but friendship in China must be used to strengthen the country. Unlike the West, China needs from us not only resources, but also support, a reliable rear in its upcoming battle with the West. He may not be able to do it alone. The Chinese, despite their thousand-year history, are not what is called fighters. As a rule, they turned out to be victims of the occupiers and colonizers. Therefore, we should not be afraid of their capture of our Far East. Of course, in a historical perspective, if, due to demographic problems, the Russians simply withdraw there, then they will occupy these territories. But it will definitely not be a capture, but a historical process. There are no permanent state borders; peoples change them as they develop or decline.
    1. +2
      23 March 2023 08: 53
      Listen, Ilya, read the works of TV Gracheva, a colonel, a teacher at the Military Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and pass off your opinion as great thinking ....... she clearly, clearly, simply explained further events and the future ........ ....................... which are happening now in the world. and remember, Russia has not had and will not have friends other than the Army and Navy
  6. +1
    23 March 2023 12: 29
    the arrival of Xi Jinping created the impression of a visit of an overseas overlord, and not an equal business partner

    - That's for sure.

    Putin's nomination for another presidential term is Xi's desire and nothing more. After the conclusion of a separate agreement and the termination of the NVO, as a result of which the Russian Federation will receive a consolation prize as Crimea and the DPR-LPR, and if the Russian Federation repels the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it will also be able to fight for the coastal territories of Zaporozhye and Kherson provinces, and it is unlikely that after the conclusion of a separate peace and After the completion of the SVO, Putin will express a desire to go to a new term in order to end up in the position of a lame duck at the end of his career - the end, the crown of the whole thing.

    The resource economy of the Russian Federation is predetermined by a vast territory in the depths of which inexhaustible reserves of all types of raw materials existing in nature are concentrated in practically unlimited sizes, and trade in raw materials requires minimal costs in comparison with the production of finished products. This is the fundamental difference between the economy of the Russian Federation and the USSR, where the focus was not on profit, but on the physical real indicators of production - machine tools, rolled products, consumer goods, aircraft, etc. and so on.

    Beijing is simply obliged to resolve the "Ukrainian issue", because it is vital for him in the light of an island province that can hold a similar referendum and declare independence or a hypothetical desire to join the United States as some island territories of the Pacific Ocean - case law, and secondly, Ukraine is the second largest state formation in Europe after the Russian Federation, which has the largest resource base after the Russian Federation, and many international transport communications necessary for the PRC pass through its territory.

    In the event of problems in Russia itself and the destabilization of its closest ally, the PRC will not only lose nothing, but will also gain by annexing the territories indicated on the 1735 map presented to Xi Jinping by the chancellor of Nemetchina
  7. -2
    23 March 2023 20: 41
    As for the disputes about the state of the Russian economy, this issue can be found here:
    https://ngs.ru/text/world/2023/02/27/72082103/

    "We will slide into stagnant times." What awaits the Russian economy and our income - forecasts of economists

    And here: https://svpressa.ru/economy/article/365610/

    [Mysterious information from the head of state at his meeting with the workers of Ulan-Ude

    By the way, this message is probably not accidental:

    Moscow. March 23. INTERFAX.RU - The decrease in oil production in Russia in March will occur from the level of production in February, which amounted to 10,2 million bpd, Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Novak told reporters.
    "In March, we will reach a 500 bpd reduction against the level of February. In February, we had (production - IF) 10,2 million bpd," Novak said.

    Well, on the topic of the article: it seems obvious that in the current situation of a sharp restriction of freedom of maneuver, our dependence on the PRC will increase ...
  8. +1
    23 March 2023 21: 30
    The seaside may require in the future. I've already heard the rumor about Vladivostok. Defeat in a war is dangerous, and the defeat of Russia for China can be beneficial. If Russia is bullied, something may fall into his hands. It is dangerous for China to seriously help Russia. But what is striking and depressing is the fact that Comrade Xi, at the meeting, did not shake hands with Putin. A demonstrative gesture in Russia when a boss meets a very badly offended subordinate. What this might mean in China, I'm afraid to guess. Well, I'm not a connoisseur of Chinese ceremonies. Please note that in China they attach great importance to the ceremonial. In Russia, about this stable phrase - Chinese ceremonies.