It is impossible to achieve military victory without mobilizing the economy

The NMD in Ukraine, which rapidly developed into a large-scale armed conflict of high intensity, became the most difficult test for Russia and its economics. In the second year of the special operation at the front, the “shell hunger” is acutely felt, which the “music producer” Yevgeny Prigozhin constantly talks about. The domestic military-industrial complex gives rise to bizarre hybrids of MT-LB and ship artillery towers. For some reason, volunteer organizations with the financial support of the Russian people have to weave camouflage nets, buy Chinese quadrocopters and radio stations. What needs to be done for our Victory?

Guns instead of butter

It is easy to guess that most of the above and other problems of the front have their roots in the rear. In the second year, a real war still has the status of a North-East Military District, martial law has not been introduced, the economy has not been transferred to a military footing. In December 2022, President Putin spoke directly against economic mobilization:

We will not repeat the mistakes of the past, when, in the interests of increasing our defense capabilities, where necessary, and where it was not necessary, we destroyed our economy. We will not engage in the militarization of the country and the militarization of the economy.

Apparently, the issue of mobilizing the Russian economy is an instrument of some kind of behind-the-scenes bargaining, according to the statement of Belarusian President Lukashenko:

Now there is a unique situation (I see it and intuitively feel it) when it is possible to put an end to this conflict. There may not be another one. We must take advantage of this moment before Russia deploys its economy in full and puts it on a war footing. Unique moment.

This unique moment has dragged on too long, but why? During his address to the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Putin, among many others, made the following statements:

I repeat, the Russian economy has overcome the risks that have arisen — it has overcome it. Yes, it was impossible to calculate many of these risks in advance, we had to respond literally from the wheels, as problems arose ... We have everything in order to ensure both security and create conditions for the country's confident development.

Judging by the president's rhetoric, the main focus is on efficient private owners:

So, already in March last year, a package of measures to support business and the economy was launched for a total amount of about a trillion rubles. I want to draw your attention: this is not an emissive policy, no, no, we do everything on a solid market base.

All this, of course, sounds very cool, but let's look in the context of CBO how effective Atlas Shrugged is really effective.

Stalin is not on them

Against the backdrop of constant alarming reports from the front about the “shell shortage”, it is extremely interesting how things are going in the rear with their reproduction. All last year, Russian artillerymen were actively firing in the Donbass, using up old Soviet arsenals. A lot of shells were accumulated there during the "scoop", but, unfortunately, not an infinite number. Also, the resource of artillery barrels is far from infinite, which must be replaced regularly.

It is necessary to supply new guns and mortars to the front, to compensate for the consumption of ammunition by the forces of the modern defense industry. That is why in 2022 a great public outcry was made by the information that the machine-building enterprise Motovilikha Plants, which has a glorious history of arms production, has been in the bankruptcy stage since 2018. At the end of last year, the Governor of the Perm Territory, Dmitry Makhonin, said that he was counting on the company's exit from bankruptcy:

There is a fundamental decision of the president. I hope that next year, no later than the second quarter, Motovilikha will emerge from bankruptcy and increase production of not only military, but also civilian products. For two years, Motovilikha has mastered several types of steel.

If you call a spade a spade, it took the personal intervention of the head of state to save the defense enterprise. What happens when they don't report to him?

Fast forward to Novosibirsk, where Sibselmash, the largest machine-building enterprise in the region, is located. It was founded in 1929 during the period of "damned Stalinist" industrialization. During the Great Patriotic War, artillery shells of various calibers, mines, fuses, torpedoes, cartridges, explosives, as well as air bombs went from there to the front. In the modern Russian Federation, agricultural and mining equipment, as well as defense products, were produced here, including technological parts of an artillery shot. Until recently.

Despite the fact that Sibselmash has a strategic status and is a structure of the state corporation Rostec, the enterprise has accumulated unsustainable debts and in 2011 was transferred to trust management of Prominvest open joint-stock company to take measures to prevent bankruptcy. However, instead of warning bankruptcy, it, bankruptcy, was nevertheless introduced, and a certain Merkas LLC became the bankruptcy trustee. The condition of the agreement was the preservation of the very possibility of producing ammunition.

About the state of the enterprise now, in his letter рассказал To the Novosibirsk edition VN.RU, Viktor Rakhvalov, Chairman of the Council of the Veteran Organization of OAO NPO Sibselmash:

A video filmed on the territory of OJSC Sibselmash in October 2022 confirms that the Sibselmash property complex is not only being sold, but also physically destroyed. The area under the buildings of the foundries, which were involved in a continuous technological chain for the manufacture of shells, was completely demolished and leveled. From the complex of buildings, a unique rolling mill, designed for the manufacture of shell blanks, was sold for scrap. Similar machines are not produced in Russia. Pressing equipment has also been scrapped. That is, that part of the property complex was sold or destroyed, without which it is impossible to ensure the vital activity of the plant's infrastructure and fulfill defense tasks.

Residential buildings, offices, sports grounds and restaurants are planned to be built on the vacated territory. Everything for the comfortable life of those who can afford it. The Russian Atlant has spread its shoulders wide, and nothing can be done about it, according to the comment of Maxim Ostanin, Deputy Minister of Industry, Trade and Entrepreneurship Development of the Novosibirsk Region:

The new owner of Sibselmash is an independent legal entity established in accordance with the Civil Code of the Russian Federation and the federal law "On Joint Stock Companies". According to Part 1 of Article 2 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation, entrepreneurial activity is independent, carried out at one's own risk, aimed at systematic profit. And in accordance with the current legislation, state executive bodies are not authorized to interfere in the economic activities of commercial enterprises.

Warm greetings to the "Wagners" and our other front-line soldiers from the Russian rear. The market decides everything.
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  1. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 16 March 2023 13: 39
    By order of the President of 17, all large enterprises, regardless of their form of ownership, have created strategic reserves and today they are working 24x7 to produce military products. In fact, this is the transfer to war footing of the entire economy, but of its individual sectors, because there was a declaration of war and martial law was not introduced, and NVO is not a war, but a small military operation
  2. Nelton Offline Nelton
    Nelton (Oleg) 16 March 2023 14: 24
    It is impossible to achieve military victory without mobilizing the economy

    Even if the entire economy is put on the back burner, it is still impossible to achieve a military victory.
    In the States, they perfectly see the scale of our attempts, and have the opportunity to prepare a response.
    Everything is exactly according to the same formula - "so that the front of the Armed Forces of Ukraine does not fall apart, but nothing more"

    A military victory was theoretically possible in the first 2 weeks, on the effect of surprise and the massive use of everything accumulated.
    But there other factors played out, the main of which was that they were not going to fight.

    Yes, and victory does not give (say, the exit to the Dnieper) NOTHING.
    On the other hand, NATO troops will enter in a serious way.
    Well, the ceasefire will be a little better observed with NATO - this will end all the benefits.

    So whatever one may say, the confrontation will be long, for decades. Basically - in the economic aspect. Accordingly, to undermine the entire civilian economy for the sake of taking a pile of rubble in the place where once, say, Slavyansk was, is the right path to the new 1991 in the foreseeable future.
  3. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 16 March 2023 14: 29
    Let's start with the news...

    Samsung invests $230 billion to build the world's largest semiconductor manufacturing base in South Korea

    Let's remember, what similar things did you meet in Russia? Recently? Nothing.....
    TVs, semiconductors, chips, optics, phones, cars?
    Where is the "Putin" Forbes list? Are they all traitors or patriots? What "Zakharovsky" silence in the Kremlin.
    Where are the Ural motorcycles for the front or the same Patriot with hundreds of pieces with machine guns? There is not...?
    It is necessary to please the American bikers, probably, but the "Patriot" probably will not even reach the front, it will break ....
    For some reason, "loaves" are only bought up in the yards.

    Of the latter, I can only remember the modernization of the T-62 in Gurulev's video ...
    But look in what old (probably pre-Soviet) workshops they do all this. Is this in the 21st century?
    Is it difficult to deliver a sandwich box with normal equipment and conditions for workers?
    But at least the plant is working and that's okay.

    But exactly how many city-forming enterprises were actually destroyed under Putin
    in cities of 20-30 thousand people who worked for 200 years! Hundreds!!!!!!
    They survived all the revolutions and wars and .... were cut into scrap metal.

    The scheme throughout Russia is simple.
    A small WORKING plant is bought in a small town up to 50 thousand. population.
    Under the assets of the enterprise, the bank takes a loan for the development of the enterprise with an excess of tens of millions of dollars.
    After that - everything (!)
    The plant rushes to the bank for bankruptcy, and the owner, who recaptured his money
    leaves for the UAE .. The plant is sawn into metal, the equipment is stolen.
    As a result, we get this picture.
    Earthquake or Hymers? Just Ural...
    From the Great Patriotic War they returned to the factory ....
    From NWO to ruins?.... That's where the news should come from every day!
    1. Nelton Offline Nelton
      Nelton (Oleg) 16 March 2023 15: 35
      That's where the news should be every day!

      You screwed up with this factory of yours.
      One died - but the oil and gas industry did not remain without domestic fittings.
      Stimulus for the development of all others
      Literally just now (March 14, 2023)

      Ural Plant of Special Valves has started mass production of special large-diameter ball valves.

      Ball valves are used primarily in the oil and gas industry, they operate in aggressive environments at low temperatures up to -160 degrees.

      The total investment in production exceeded 3 billion rubles, of which 670 million rubles. provided the Russian Federal Development Fund in the form of two concessional loans under the Development Projects program. The funds were used to purchase unique high-tech equipment. Both loans were repaid on time and in full.

      As for the Samsung

      Quote from Hiker
      Samsung invests $230 billion to build the world's largest semiconductor manufacturing base in South Korea

      Let's remember, what similar things did you meet in Russia? Recently?

      Smaller scale of course. If in the future tense (construction announced / started)

      UEC in 2023 will begin construction of a large industrial complex for the production of parts for aircraft engines for aircraft and helicopters. The volume of investments will be about 35 billion rubles.
      The base site for the new complex was the territory of the Moscow enterprise of the UEC - the Salyut production complex on Budyonny Avenue.

      On October 14, Rosatom State Corporation announced that it had begun the active stage of construction of a plant for the production of lithium-ion traction batteries for electric vehicles.
      the total cost of the construction of the plant will exceed 26 billion rubles

      Investments in the creation of the Zvezda shipbuilding complex, which is being created by a consortium led by Rosneft in Primorye, amounted to 137 billion rubles.

      The Center for the Construction of Large-Tonnage Offshore Structures (TsSKMS) of the Arctic LNG-2 project of NOVATEK began work at the end of May 2022. This is the first plant in the world for serial production of natural gas liquefaction lines on gravity bases. In terms of its dimensions - 93 m high, 280 m long and 345 m wide - the building is recognized as the largest production workshop in Russia. It is expected that the implementation of the project will increase the share of Russian LNG in the world market up to 15% by 2025.

      As the governor of the Murmansk region reported earlier, investments in the TsSKMS exceeded 200 billion rubles.
      1. Hiker Offline Hiker
        Hiker (Dmitriy) 16 March 2023 15: 52
        You didn't understand, unfortunately.
        Natural resources can be obtained, spare parts can be produced.

        But I focus on where we need new technical competencies and new production.
        Chips, radio components, optics, cars, etc.

        Along with this, not some kind of factory (!), But in fact the destruction of small towns, where there was the ONLY city-forming enterprise. It is a crime.
        In the same place, no one will vote for Putin ....

        Or here is the QUESTION.
        Who allowed the transfer from Russia of the production of Ural motorcycles and all technical competencies to Kazakhstan? During the NWO (!)
        Let me remind you that the Ural Motorcycle Plant was founded in 1941 and was a strategic asset. The motorcycle at the front was indispensable (!).
        Isn't it the same now?
        If this is not betrayal, then what is it called?

        Will there be ruins there too?
        1. Nelton Offline Nelton
          Nelton (Oleg) 16 March 2023 16: 08
          Quote from Hiker
          In the same place, no one will vote for Putin ...

          And what's wrong with that?

          Quote from Hiker
          I focus on where we need new technical competencies and new production.
          Chips, radio components, optics, cars, etc.

          Well, I gave you links to new competencies - shipbuilding, batteries, aircraft engine components.

          spare parts - produce.

          That's just the production of components (spare parts) - this is the most important aspect.
      2. Valera75 Offline Valera75
        Valera75 (Valery) 17 March 2023 06: 36
        You screwed up with this factory of yours.
        One died - but the oil and gas industry did not remain without domestic fittings.
        Stimulus for the development of all others
        Literally just now (March 14, 2023)

        Nelton, you wrote a lot of beautiful things that we expect in the future, but what machines will the workers work on, which they need to be taught somewhere, where will you get tens of thousands of engineers if they are not taught anywhere? in Russia aviation engineers.
        1- you need at least what you have listed to start building
        2- purchase machines, equipment, since we do not produce anything in the machine tool industry
        3- find tens of thousands of turners, millers, and somewhere to get tens of thousands of engineers whom we don’t really train.
        And according to the subject: There will be no martial law and no one will introduce it because there is nothing to put on a war footing, it will be the same as with 300 tons of mobilized, without volunteers and governors, they didn’t send the guys a little naked to the front. not war.
        1. Nelton Offline Nelton
          Nelton (Oleg) 17 March 2023 09: 46
          Quote: Valera75
          you wrote a lot of beautiful things that we expect in the future

          I really don't like to write about achievements in the future tense.
          Precisely because of such a typical reaction.
          But in this case, the request of the Hon. Hiker (Dmitry) was exactly about what we are designing and preparing.

          at least what you listed start building

          let's say SSK Zvezda not only began to build, but they already built and handed over to the customer the 3rd Aframax tanker. surprise?
          To date, all the main objects of the first stage and key objects of the second stage of construction, including one of the world's largest dry docks, have been put into operation.

          and new workshops continue to be built and commissioned.
          literally today -

          Rostekhnadzor issued a positive opinion on the completion of the construction of a shop for the primary processing of steel and rolled metal products.

          earlier (January)

          a pipe-working shop with an area of ​​more than 7 square meters was put into operation. The production capacity of the new facility is 13 thousand tons of metal per year. It will produce pipes from carbon and high-quality stainless steels, as well as copper-nickel alloys for ice-class tankers of the Aframax type.

          So the cluster is growing.
          And he is not alone. industrial and infrastructure projects continue as usual.
          And a large list of what has already been implemented earlier gives reason to believe that this will be completed and introduced. (Timelines may be subject to change.)

          machines, equipment, as we nothing do not produce in the machine tool industry

          Aha aha...

          in January 2023, 538 machine tools were produced compared to 344 in January last year (56% actual growth).

          Forging and pressing machines produced in January 2023 702 units. compared to 424 in January last year (actual increase of 65%).

          And we make 3D printers, incl. for metal

          Under the 3DLAM brand, a line of printers operating on the technology of selective laser sintering of metals is produced. The main feature of these additive plants is that they are completely produced in Russia. The company uses lasers from the Russian manufacturer IPG Photonics, and 3DLAM manufactures and programs all electronic components, software and controllers on its own. This allows you not to depend on the supply of foreign components and materials.
          1. Valera75 Offline Valera75
            Valera75 (Valery) 17 March 2023 10: 53
            let's say SSK Zvezda not only began to build, but they already built and handed over to the customer the 3rd Aframax tanker. surprise

            I’m more interested in which country the equipment on this star is from. Everything else is also not impressive, even the numbers of what machines we produce and how many we produce. I look at reality, and as I see it in Russia, it differs significantly. .Russian cheeses and even some milk, and starters and equipment 100 percent imported. Cut off the supply of equipment, starters and no cheeses. I suspect that what you have listed, if not all, but much will be launched on imported equipment, so to speak, on old yeast purchased earlier. Example from life: I serve two factories for the production of chipboard, one is 45 years old and the second is 5 years old, the old one was shaken up in 45 years and it is largely on mechanics and hydraulics and electronics, but the second one is completely German and it has already been twice they put it on 4 dice and somehow earned it, thanks to the Germans and a guarantee of 5 years, now a lot of problems are rolling in an avalanche and I don’t know how they will be solved, the Germans have already sent 3 letters, 5 years of guarantees have passed .Electronics and spare parts are 100% imported, elementary oil for lubricating rods on roller bars could not be replaced by either Lukoil or Gazprom, they washed their hands, such oil as the Kluber company admitted they didn’t know how to make and don’t know how, the additives are cool. and the Germans sent us, maybe China will make the rods and sell them, I don’t know. Somehow they bought a few barrels of oil somewhere, but it’s not for long. whose company makes the machines and presses that you listed is unknown, and how long the equipment will work is also a question.
            1. Nelton Offline Nelton
              Nelton (Oleg) 17 March 2023 12: 14
              Quote: Valera75
              I'm more interested in what country the equipment on this star is from.

              Quite a typical course of discussion -


              NOTHING IS DONE!!! NO ECONOMY!!!


              on which machines and whose company the machines and presses that you have listed are made

              and here it is necessary to separate two aspects.
              the first is the economy until 2021, in comparison with others comparable countries.
              comparable - in terms of GDP, both in absolute terms and per capita over the past 25 years (Brazil, Mexico, Turkey).
              Against the background of these countries, the Russian Federation looks normal both in terms of statistical indicators (the dynamics of that GDP), and in terms of technological projects.
              It looks worse in terms of the structure of exports, but the trends there were not bad either.

              second -
              what is happening now and will continue to happen with the economy, in the context of sanctions, when

              Electronics and spare parts 100% import, elemental oil for lubrication

              This is in fact the main "front", it was on him that the very same Ukraine staked that if something then sanctions were imposed on the Russian Federation (which was done), and the economy of "the gas station that imagined itself" would be torn to shreds .

              And in theorycraft, this is exactly what should have happened. When it was said before the NMD that the Russian Federation would attack Ukraine, I absolutely did not believe in it. Well, not [....] the GDP, in order to expose the Russian Federation to sanctions that it will not withstand. Framed...

              But suddenly - the economy is holding up well for the second year, which in itself is already an economic miracle.
              It is clear that there are warehouse stocks (increased after covid), there are gray imports, there are Chinese counterparts.
              But sorry, you can’t bring everything by gray imports, especially if it’s not only about spare parts, electronics and specific lubricants.
              You know, you have to be able to do the same, to do everything else.
              Now all "well-wishers" will predict the final karh "in 2 years" from the current date. And in theorycraft they will still be absolutely convincing. In practice, so far there is enough news on industry news feeds "commissioned", "launched production", "construction agreement signed".
              1. Nelton Offline Nelton
                Nelton (Oleg) 17 March 2023 14: 01
                Quote from Nelton.
                "well-wishers" will predict the final karh "in 2 years" from the current date. And in theorycraft they will still be absolutely convincing. In practice - while there is enough news on industry feeds "put into operation"

                Returning to the "mobilization of the economy" -
                the economy is already experiencing the most severe overload in adapting to the new reality.
                Starting to massively withdraw resources from it and transfer them to the production of crushed stone from cities is to finish off the economy, and nothing will change at the front, except for a few more piles of crushed stone.
              2. vladivan Offline vladivan
                vladivan (Vladimir) 17 March 2023 17: 44
                Out of 15 million tons or pieces of shells, there may be an error in the article! remaining from the USSR on the territory of the Russian Federation, out of 3 million pieces, 1,5 million were fit. The shells were not replenished and were not replaced for 20 years. Remember why ammunition depots exploded so often! So almost all the shells were disposed of, as with military enterprises, Putin Chubais Shoigu and so on
              3. go to Offline go to
                go to (ira) 17 March 2023 20: 07
                it was kept at a gas price of 1500 euros and oil at 100, and not now the price of gas is 460 and oil is 74. at least sometimes turn your head on. If nothing has been done in 20 years why should it be done now.
      3. Alexander Tutunenko (Alexander Tutunenko) 19 March 2023 13: 11
        All of the above productions are created in the interests of import substitution of oil and gas corporations, and will there be demand for Russian oil and gas in the coming years. There are many years of war with the West ahead, how are we going to fight? Electric vehicles?
    2. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 22 March 2023 07: 56
      This Hiker (Dmitry) is a big dreamer. To him ...

      ... you can fantasize. He does not have a specific job, and even a trained chimpanzee in a circus can give guidance.
      From Muller's monologue.

      But I see the majority here is out of their mind.
  4. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Leopold) 16 March 2023 14: 43
    It is not entirely clear what to do with the abyss of migrants, who, unfortunately, are of critical importance in Russia in many industries, construction sites, trade, housing and communal services. Drive them out of the country or force them to plow for 12 hours for a nominal salary?
  5. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 16 March 2023 17: 24
    it is time to prepare for the post-war reconciliation of the territories that have yet to become part of the Russian Federation.

    And here the most important tool can be the granting of citizenship of the Russian Federation. It is dangerous to open the floodgates and pass through them all at once.

    In those new territories there will be a certain percentage of those who hate Russia fiercely. A certain percentage who profited from anti-Russian hysteria (for example, sold cookies in the form of Russian soldiers, etc.), who incited hatred of Russia on social networks, who wrote denunciations to the SBU. A certain percentage will be the security forces and their families, officials and other elites.

    In this regard, it makes sense to use the granting of citizenship as a kind of filter. Considering that the economic situation in these regions will be extremely difficult, the need arises to reduce the population by squeezing out everything that is not very good on Ukraine (the part that will remain and be considered Ukraine).

    After the region joins the Russian Federation, a part of the population, which can be considered trustworthy, persons who have not been noticed in anything, receive citizenship immediately.

    The brightest evil spirits are expelled immediately.

    At the same time, the rights of citizens with Ukrainian citizenship, doing business, receiving payments from the budget, registering a car, etc., are being tightened.

    A special category is opinion leaders, various personalities from social networks, bloggers. They, not receiving citizenship of the Russian Federation, will be under supervision and will be able to prove through their work that they really want to obtain citizenship of the Russian Federation. Those who begin to reconcile their subscribers, begin to change their attitude towards Russia for the better, will gradually receive citizenship. The rest are not.

    The overall goal is to get rid of the most dangerous elements by expelling them to Ukraine.

    1. Orthodox Offline Orthodox
      Orthodox (Orthodox) 22 March 2023 09: 21
      there will be no Ukraine, in principle! Not an inch of Russian land to a fictional fake fascist rural ragouli fertilized by the Americans !!!
  6. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 16 March 2023 19: 09
    Word, what kind of mobilization of the economy. Mobilization can be carried out when there is a resource - personnel, the economy itself, industry. How can the economy be mobilized if there is no industry, there is a shortage of personnel. Now it is necessary to raise the question of creating industry, restoring it. that the liberals have not yet had time to destroy. Creation of workers and engineers.
    1. Hiker Offline Hiker
      Hiker (Dmitriy) 16 March 2023 19: 14
      There are workers. ITR - yes. Factories sawed into metal.
      How many factories in the Urals have been destroyed over the past 10-20 years?
      People still live there near the ruins.

      Why is Moscow flying far?
      Or they are afraid that they will get a pitchfork in the side for the collapse.

      And then if there is loot, then you can put production boxes at least
      in every working camp or settlement.
      The Strogonovs set up factories, and the "fucking parrots" have logistics ...
      Their economy is no further than the MKAD.
  7. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 16 March 2023 23: 16
    Again from empty to empty. All this has long been known.
    It is written both on near-military sites and on economic sites, but ...
    Who writes - he has no power. And whoever has power and money - he does not care about these scriptures.
    They can take a nap on the messages of the Guarantor, they can drain NATO resources in a record, they can take a record to Dubai, everything is possible. They still have the power

    One - articles and mobilization, the other - real estate in Dubai.
    Everything is the same, everything is classic, no matter how much they do it, they will not be indignant
  8. Alexey P. Offline Alexey P.
    Alexey P. (Alexey P.) 17 March 2023 08: 16
    Well, it’s not for nothing that the abbreviation of the SVO is deciphered as “Strange Military Operation” (((there is a lot of strange and it doesn’t get less ((either we don’t notice something, or they just don’t want to inform us ... Putin doesn’t seem to be a balabol, but the people should not remain aloof from the ideas of the ruler, we are not some kind of serfs... or are we still serfs?
    1. go to Offline go to
      go to (ira) 17 March 2023 20: 09
      balabol. remember that Europe will freeze and so on. And now about the turnip. as if we ourselves would not have to eat this turnip.
    2. Orthodox Offline Orthodox
      Orthodox (Orthodox) 22 March 2023 09: 24
      balabol, balabol)!
  9. prior Offline prior
    prior (Vlad) 17 March 2023 10: 39
    It is impossible to achieve military victory without mobilizing the economy

    The current government is not going to mobilize the economy and society. Consolidation only. Who, with whom and how they want to consolidate was not really explained. Me, a poor pensioner, with Miller or Nabiullina?! Or maybe with Potanin? And for whose interests? An interesting consolidation.
    Putin in recent statements said that he was not going to change anything in Russia, that everything was going according to plan and that everyone was doing well, especially banks and the government.
    What happens is that without a change of power there will be no mobilization of the economy. And without the mobilization of the economy there will be no victory. If there is no victory, then there will be defeat.
    It turns out that the author of the article, judging by its title, calls for a change of power in Russia, that is, for its overthrow.
    Otherwise, we will not see victory.
    1. vladivan Offline vladivan
      vladivan (Vladimir) 17 March 2023 17: 59
      It's very reminiscent of MV 1! And Putin himself more and more resembles either Nicholas 2 or Gorbachev. Or he has always been like that since his service in Dresden. The same balabol as Gorbachev. 20 years of Putin’s continuous stagnation and stagnation. And then we suddenly saw, at the end of 22 years, that almost all enterprises in Putin’s 20 years, quietly went under the knife, and only ruins remained
  10. Watching Offline Watching
    Watching (Alex) 17 March 2023 11: 03
    Quote from Nelton.
    to undermine the entire civilian economy for the sake of taking a pile of rubble in the place where once was, say, Slavyansk - the right path to the new 1991 in the foreseeable future.

    Too simplistic. Without taking "rubble" there will be a very large NATO and a very small Russia, if at all. And then there will definitely be no economy.
    1. Nelton Offline Nelton
      Nelton (Oleg) 17 March 2023 11: 26
      Quote: Watching
      Without taking "rubble" there will be a very large NATO

      yeah yeah, NATO has already deployed strike weapons and missile defense in the Sumy region, Latvia, Estonia, Finland and Georgia ...

      in the layouts for strategic nuclear forces, Kazakhstan matters.
      But Ukraine does not change anything, there are enough NATO countries on the western side even without it.
      With their multi-move, they also added Finland to them - an excellent result ...
    2. Vega (Eugene) Offline Vega (Eugene)
      Vega (Eugene) (Eugene) 17 March 2023 18: 48
      It will be very big. Finland and Sweden are the first signs. And the longer the NWO lasts, the more neighbors will run to NATO.
      1. go to Offline go to
        go to (ira) 17 March 2023 20: 10
        it was the biggest mistake.
  11. nikanikolich Offline nikanikolich
    nikanikolich (nikola) 20 March 2023 20: 41
    The current situation has shown that capitalism is not able to resist socialism, GDP is beginning to understand this, but it is difficult to see. Oligarchs resist? There is an effective method of Beria, I think that after black funnels and mediocrity they will understand that not everything is as good as they would like and abroad simply will not save them, for this we just need to get Soviet developments from the "closet"