What Chinese lend-lease for Russia might look like

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One of the most important News recent days is whether China can provide some kind of militarytechnical assistance to Russia in its confrontation with the collective West, and if so, in what volumes and in what form. Military experts and analysts on both sides of the front line are now discussing this controversial topic. So is Chinese lend-lease really possible?

Chinese charter


Note that both Moscow and Beijing officially refute the very possibility of starting military supplies from China to Russia. Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov said that he had nothing to add to the position of the Chinese authorities:



I don't think I can respond more colorfully on this topic than the Chinese representatives have already done. They have already answered these questions, they resolutely refuted them. There is nothing to add here.

However, Tehran also denied the supply of several types of its drones for the needs of the RF Armed Forces for a long time. However, it is rather difficult not to see the obvious relationship between the Iranian "Shahids" and the Russian "Geranis" with all desire. Meanwhile, both the Russian Federation and the Islamic Republic of Iran are sovereign states and do not need anyone's approval for various kinds of military-technical cooperation.

The same applies to China, which has its own national interests and is not too interested in a severe military and political defeat of neighboring Russia, since in the event of a coup d'état in Moscow, another pro-Western puppets may come to power, turning our country into a kind of Ukraine and into " anti-Chinese ram." To allow such an outcome for Beijing would be the height of short-sightedness, therefore the very logic of the development of events leads to the fact that some kind of military-technical support for Russia from the PRC is provided in order to avoid gigantic problems in the future. But what form can it take?

Beijing's official position on the Ukrainian conflict is that the Celestial Empire is in favor of a peaceful solution to the problem. However, at the same time, Wang Yi, head of the office of the foreign affairs commission of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China, accused the United States and its allies of double standards in the issue of arms supplies from China to Russia, because the collective West itself is arming Ukraine. It turned out very meaningfully, and the Chinese are well-known masters of circumventing restrictions.

Offsetting


So, the first way that the PRC can help the Russian Armed Forces without getting involved in direct arms deliveries to Russia can be called offsetting. As a matter of fact, there is no need to invent anything special here. Many Western countries are currently transferring their armored vehicles, artillery and other weapons to the Kyiv regime, hoping to receive more modern ones in return as part of compensation from the sponsors of the Ukrainian conflict. Beijing can do exactly the same if it wants to.

Thus, the specialized American edition of Military Watch Magazine suggeststhat China can supply its VT-4 tanks and HQ-9 air defense systems to Iran, and in return Tehran will transfer to Moscow its T-72B tanks and S-300 air defense systems. The scheme is quite working: no one has the right to forbid the Chinese to sell their weapons to Iran, and the Islamic Republic will not lose anything in terms of Western sanctions if it transfers some weapons and ammunition to Russia, since the path has already been trodden and there is a reliable North-South transport corridor.

The VT-4 tank (pictured) is a Chinese export main battle tank weighing 51 tons, armed with a 125 mm smoothbore gun that can also fire missiles up to 5000 m, 12,7 mm anti-aircraft and 7,62 mm built-in machine guns, eight 76-mm smoke grenade launchers and four 76-mm "shrapnel" grenade launchers. These tanks are shipped from China to Thailand, where they bypassed the Ukrainian Oplot, and to Nigeria, where they have already passed their first baptism of fire. The Chinese are positioning it as a direct competitor to the Russian T-90MS.

As for the Iranian Type 72Z tanks, they are modernized Soviet tanks T-54, T-55 and Chinese Type 59, which received a reinforced engine, dynamic "reactive" armor, a 105-millimeter cannon and an upgraded fire control system. Passed "Persian tuning" armored vehicles are also in demand in other countries of the Middle East and Africa.

The Chinese HQ-9 air defense systems are de facto a copy of the Russian S-300 air defense systems. They are capable of hitting air targets within a radius of 250-300 kilometers. Apparently, a technological breakthrough in China occurred after the acquisition in Russia in 2004 of the S-300PMU2 air defense system.

According to the netting scheme, Beijing can indeed organize the transfer of weapons familiar to the Russian military through Iran and North Korea to Moscow.

Localization


Another direction in which lend-lease can go is localization or repackaging in Belarusian. An illustrative example is the Polonaise MLRS. This functional analogue of the American HIMARS has similar performance characteristics and is a product of cooperation between Minsk and Beijing.

The chassis in the MLRS is Belarusian, but the missiles are Chinese. Rather, the Chinese were originally A200 / A300 guided missiles of 301 mm caliber, but on their basis in Belarus local ammunition V-200 with a range of 50 to 200 km and V-300 - from 120 to 300 km were developed. The Precision Electromechanics Plant (ZTEM) in Dzerzhinsk is responsible for the localization of production. In fact, after the transfer of technology, there are no obstacles for Minsk to start supplying Polonaises and their ammunition for the needs of the Russian army.

By the way, the RF Armed Forces are already mastering these MLRS at the exercises of the joint group of troops. There will be nothing surprising if Belarus masters the licensed production of other types of Chinese weapons - drones, artillery systems, ammunition and other things.

Reindustrialization


The last and quite probable scenario, according to which the PRC can provide Russia with military-technical assistance, may consist in the transfer not of the weapons themselves, but of industrial equipment and technologies for scaling up their production. Military Watch Magazine writes about it as follows:

Besides economic supporting and providing key technologies to Russia's civilian economy to counter the effects of Western economic sanctions, China has a number of options to help ensure that the Russian military is well-armed without a direct supply of weapons.

Russian weapons factories have been operating at a fraction of Soviet-era capacity in almost every area of ​​the defense sector over the past 30 years, and Russia's help to rebuild these facilities and potentially upgrade them with new Chinese equipment could allow it to produce for its needs independently. Take armored vehicles for example: the Russian army received just 10 new tanks from production lines in the 2010s, and while they were producing over 100 tanks a year for export, this was only a fraction of the more than 3000 that factories built. in the Soviet Union could comfortably produce every year during the Cold War era. Helping with recovery efforts and ensuring that Russia remains well supplied with semiconductors and other key imported components could allow it to quickly replenish the several hundred tanks reportedly lost in Ukraine.

Not excluded. The supply of industrial equipment, machine tools and materials will allow Beijing to load its own industry with orders, earning, as the United States once did, on lend-lease. Let's see.
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  1. -3
    27 February 2023 15: 08
    China is almost equally uninterested in both a heavy Russian defeat and a landslide victory. In the first case, there is indeed a risk of anti-Chinese forces coming to power, and in the second, there is a risk of a sharp strengthening of Russia and its exit from Chinese dependence. In the optimal scenario for China, the belligerents are completely exhausted. In this case, it will be possible to offer the Russian leadership a variant of the long-cherished "USSR 2.0", but in fact the absorption by China of all the former republics of the former USSR, starting with Russia.
    1. 0
      1 March 2023 08: 04
      you are right, China does not expect either a quick victory for Russia or a defeat. They are interested in deepening and continuing the war between Russia and the West according to the current scenario, that is, the mutual weakening of all their partners, Russia, the EU, the USA
      and they can provide assistance, while small, and what they have stale, including former Soviet-Russian weapons, bk ..
      however, they are not fools and understand that after Russia they are next, so an attempt to sit out is catastrophic for them too
      and now for them the situation is similar (as for the United States) to the opportunity to get rich for their industry, by supplying both their weapons and their goods to the whole world, and the world will rearm looking like its funnel is drawing resources into itself more and more
      Russia has no allies, including from a mustachioed goat and from Vucic, only themselves
  2. +1
    27 February 2023 15: 12
    Prices for everything Chinese rose 2-3 times.
    Auto, power tools, batteries for tools, and everything is junk - why?
    Why are Chinese goods cheaper in Poland?
    1. 0
      1 March 2023 20: 36
      Don’t write nonsense, I trade in Chinese power tools and gas equipment — nothing has risen in price: after the start of the war, the price jumped, but after the fall of the dollar and the yuan, everything became cheaper than even before the war. Now, with the rise in the exchange rate, prices have slowly crept up by 5-10%, but this is natural. So there is no need to invent something that is not
  3. +1
    27 February 2023 15: 58
    China is not our friend. Although it could be, given the contribution of the Russians to the statehood of China. And it’s not a fact that if he takes the place of the hegemon instead of the United States, then the world will become better. Guaranteed it would be better if it was Russia, But Russia has squandered its chance and is now absorbed in the matter of simply preserving as a country. Russia has at all times one reliable friends Army and Navy. That is why they need to be strengthened. And to support service people. Then we can save the country.
    1. -1
      27 February 2023 16: 55
      Quote: Ilya 22
      China is not our friend. Although it could be, given the contribution of the Russians to the statehood of China. And it’s not a fact that if he takes the place of the hegemon instead of the United States, then the world will become better. Guaranteed it would be better if it was Russia, But Russia has squandered its chance and is now absorbed in the matter of simply preserving as a country. Russia has at all times one reliable friends Army and Navy. That is why they need to be strengthened. And to support service people. Then we can save the country.

      China can start its own NWO in Siberia at any time
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    3. 0
      28 February 2023 14: 21
      Quote: Ilya 22
      China is not our friend. Although it could be, given the contribution of the Russians to the statehood of China. And it’s not a fact that if he takes the place of the hegemon instead of the United States, then the world will become better. Guaranteed it would be better if it was Russia, But Russia has squandered its chance and is now absorbed in the matter of simply preserving as a country. Russia has at all times one reliable friends Army and Navy. That is why they need to be strengthened. And to support service people. Then we can save the country.

      Why do you think US hegemony is bad, Chinese hegemony is bad, and Russian hegemony is good? Why?! Because you live in Russia? And why don't you think that the hegemony of Russia is as bad for them and for the world as the hegemony of China and the USA is for you and Russia and the world? It's not objective. Don't judge by yourself.
    4. -1
      1 March 2023 08: 16
      given the contribution of Russians to the statehood of China.

      - the history of Chinese civilization has at least 3500 years; Rurik created the Old Russian state in 862 (1160 years ago). Therefore, I wonder: what did the Russians "invest" in Chinese statehood?
      - it is quite likely that the Chinese (Mongols, Vietnamese, Koreans) borrowed from the Soviet (not only Russians) the "eternally living ML teaching", but they came to their senses in time and began to return to normal historical development.

      In Russia at all times only reliable friends Army and Navy. That is why they need to be strengthened.

      This is a worn out banality, the origin of which is not exactly known. The Russian army and navy are a little over three hundred years old, so one cannot speak of all times. And in the last 300 years they have not always been successful.
  4. 0
    27 February 2023 16: 17
    Quote: Sergey Marzhetsky
    repacking in Belarusian

    Mr. Marzhetsky cannot write a single opus without biting and kicking Minsk. As if only Minsk earns money with this kind of import substitution and localization.
  5. +1
    27 February 2023 16: 54
    That's right, let's fight on Iranian t-55s, despite the fact that we have our own t-80s in warehouses. Well, cho, we have a lot of tankers
  6. +1
    27 February 2023 18: 07
    Well, I don’t believe in reindustrialization with Chinese help - not a hat for the Russian Senka. Yes, and it makes no sense for China to somehow help us in this. It is possible that some components and equipment for the production of what we already have, but Beijing will not sell us something modern, especially since this “modern” one is quite significantly inferior to the best Western counterparts.
    1. 0
      28 February 2023 02: 16
      Whoa, isn't the export version of the tank that is exported in the picture? This means that China can sell it to other countries, but not to Russia. And who can ban it, I wonder. Humanitarian aid is one thing, but buying and selling is quite another.
      1. 0
        1 March 2023 05: 59
        This means that China can sell it to other countries, but not to Russia.

        China does not sell lethal weapons to conflict zones. Therefore, the author writes about ways to circumvent this prohibition.
  7. +3
    27 February 2023 20: 06
    What lendlease? what is this about? the definition of that lend-lease was also discussed - not at all ...

    Many times already there were close articles.
    Iranian deliveries, Korean, Belarusian, Chinese ....
    Somewhere the departments agreed, but it is beneficial for all countries to buy neo-colonial resources on the cheap (a bunch of articles about this around), and to supply modern "BEADS". - smartphones, electronics, cars, etc.

    And factories, machine tools ... just kidding. And they won’t get it, and ours will be driven where they don’t need to, if earlier, with the promoted “import substitution”, they didn’t bother,
    Officials are fighting for space, for oil, they are bankrupting factories, including former military ones, right now (according to articles on VO and near-economic sites) - in the NWO.
    And withdraw money to Dubai.

    That's it.
    And the "elite" is dozing on the messages of Himself...
    1. -3
      28 February 2023 02: 26
      Sergey, how long will you and others like you draw a line between some mythical elite and the state? The entire *fat* elite has already remained with the help of the West with a bare ass! And yours is still blooming and flourishing. Is it known to such that all modern financial-intensive enterprises and projects are created by this very elite? Looks like it's not known.
      1. +1
        28 February 2023 09: 22
        True eyes hurt
        The rules of the game are set by the authorities. Therefore, not some kind of "line", but an equal sign.

        "Naked ass" - only in the media for the electorate. But in reality - bark of the most PR people, all with their own. (Yes, and they buy a record new one in Dubai). sons are still dissecting on yachts with English passports ....

        Yes, and even the Usmanovs, Abramovichs, Rotenbergs - they are fighting for foreign accounts, yachts, palaces ..
        1. -1
          5 March 2023 21: 08
          Sergey again basted at first. Damn, name me at least one oligarch who earns his billions illegally! At least one! And you earn advice and send your sons and daughters even to the moon! And if you are stupid and lazy without a university as the basis of the profession, then you have no choice but to count other people's money in other people's pockets! What kind of education do you have, for example? And with what grades did you graduate from high school? What is your specialty? What is your profession? How much do you earn and where? More questions to ask or you will understand? Or recall a joke?

          Vovochka is walking with her dad and a beautiful girl is ahead. Dad asks Vovochka - Would you like to have such a girl? Vovochka replies - Yes, of course. To which daddy replies to Vovochka - ONLY EXCELLENT STUDENTS have such beauties, threesomes like you, you can only dream of and envy EXCELLENT STUDENTS about such girls.

          Here you are jealous!
  8. +2
    27 February 2023 22: 38
    China's trade with the United States totaled $760 billion last year
    With the EU $847 billion
    With Russia $ 190 billion. Moreover, exports to Russia amounted to some unfortunate $ 76,1 billion
    Here is a link to the article
    https://rtvi.com/news/obem-torgovli-kitaya-s-zapadom-okazalsya-v-vosem-raz-bolshe-chem-s-rossiej/
    Do you think he needs sanctions or is it easier not to sell goods to Russia that are sanctioned?
    1. 0
      28 February 2023 12: 07
      Shame on you? Why are you comparing total US/EU and China trade with Russian net imports in trade with Beijing? Like comparing square to soft?
      And note that Russia's net imports from China are much less than its net exports to China, i.e. Russia (according to your own tsyfiri) has a huge positive foreign trade balance in trade with the Middle Kingdom. Few can boast of this. And the filling of Russian exports in this case does not matter ..
    2. 0
      5 March 2023 21: 28
      There will still be naive sanctions, and sooner or later no billions will be the decisive argument. Ahead of the US war with China, and you are talking about some kind of sanctions. Moreover, if Chinese imports are so huge, then this can only mean that there are simply no imported products in the United States. So think about if China stops supplying imports to the USA, which will not immediately become in America, how prices for domestic counterparts will rise, and how quickly *import substitution* will have to be introduced American-style. Considering that imports from Europe do not threaten America due to non-competition with Chinese imports.
  9. 0
    28 February 2023 01: 35
    All this looks like disposal of unnecessary trash. Any technique loses its qualities over time, and here is such a great fit: get rid of junk, while spending a penny, and even earn bonuses, money, image. Actually, pro-Soviet weapons are being massively disposed of, but after that, super expensive American-European miracles of technical progress will roll out. To the envy of third world countries. The region is turning, apart from being a raw materials appendage, into a kind of landfill-garbage dump.
  10. 0
    28 February 2023 01: 37
    China is a very interesting "thing in itself." They have a completely different mentality and philosophy. And although the Chinese have stated that they will be "back to back" with Russia, they have a clear disappointment with the Russian ruling elite and they understood how much it weak, but unable not only to carry out an effective campaign in Ukraine, but also to resist even internal liberal forces.
    It is unlikely that China will provide more assistance in the near future than it has, avoiding premature escalation with the United States. Although the Chinese would have helped more not with tanks and so on, but with their means of communication, guidance, satellite, and so on. reconnaissance equipment, including UAVs, guided weapons, combat systems (AI). In all these systems, the Russian Federation simply lags behind the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    1. 0
      5 March 2023 21: 47
      Igor, how do you know that what you have listed is already not being delivered to Russia? No one has ever advertised such *things*. And how do you know, Russia cannot *even* stand up to internal liberal forces. Do you know this well because you yourself are from these internal liberal forces? And the liberal industry of China then to your words what side? Indeed, in China, both party symbols and the free market peacefully coexist, providing the basis for the emergence of enterprising Chinese oligarchs.
      And what about the ineffective campaign conducted in Ukraine? What campaign do you think would be the most effective? Carpet bombing of villages and cities with the population and the Nazis in them, turning everything into a scorched desert? How did American troops do it effectively in Syria? They still say that in some effectively destroyed city, both of them are dead among the wreckage of buildings! Do you need such efficiency?
  11. 0
    28 February 2023 02: 40
    Several hundred tanks lost on their own? Not too much?
  12. -1
    28 February 2023 04: 09
    Quote: Peace Peace.
    Several hundred tanks lost on their own? Not too much?

    Only after the “successful regrouping of the RF Armed Forces from the Kharkov region” due to the huge threat of a quick encirclement, it was stupidly thrown to varying degrees from just running out of fuel to more than 450 AFVs needed to be repaired, and moreover, most of them were tanks.
  13. -2
    28 February 2023 04: 32
    Quote: Mish
    That's right, let's fight on Iranian t-55s, despite the fact that we have our own t-80s in warehouses. Well, cho, we have a lot of tankers

    There is nothing normal in the warehouses. One is illiquid. There is NOTHING to equip the new units with: there are no guns, no AFVs, no tanks. It’s impossible to assemble one tank from 5.
  14. -3
    28 February 2023 10: 31
    if China starts supplying arms, NATO may directly enter Ukraine. for Iraq, and a fake test tube was enough.
    1. 0
      28 February 2023 22: 16
      Well, no one wants a nuclear war. Hardly directly. And under the guise of PMCs completely.
  15. 0
    1 March 2023 12: 25
    Quote: k7k8
    And note that Russia's net imports from China are much less than its net exports to China, i.e. Russia (according to your own tsyfiri) has a huge positive foreign trade balance in trade with the Middle Kingdom. Few can boast of this. And the filling of Russian exports in this case does not matter ..

    Have you even read the article?
    China sells more to the West (the EU imported goods worth $562 billion, the US - $567,3 billion),
    China bought products from Russia for $144,1 billion, and sold - for $76,1 billion
    Russia's exports are just energy resources, it seems. Maybe Metal
    I compared the volume of trade with the US and Europe compared to Russia, and based on this, we can conclude that it is more profitable for China to lose.
    1. 0
      4 March 2023 20: 37
      I understood you. You are not even able to analyze your own writing.
      Bye
  16. 0
    3 March 2023 11: 23
    Nonsense. There will be no military assistance from China to the Russian Federation. China has already won from the war in Ukraine. The Russian Federation supplies cheap energy resources, there is silence on the border with the Russian Federation. Whether Russia wins or loses the war in Ukraine, China is the winning side anyway. Why does China need a headache. The problem with Taiwan in China is formalized legally, there are laws according to which Taiwan is an integral part of mainland China.
  17. 0
    4 March 2023 21: 39
    What Chinese lend-lease for Russia might look like

    Why the hell do we need Lend-Lease? If you have to raise your tone with the hegemon, that is, we have loudspeakers, but no one will hear them. And without them, we already pile on them - we have no other option, Victory or death ... It's just that defeats are no longer foreseen for us, this time the "Western partners" decided to bring us down completely ...