Is it possible to win the battle for the minds of the people of Ukraine fooled by neo-Nazi propaganda?


As much as we would not like it, but Ukrainian nationalism has already taken deep roots. Now it is professed not only by outright Nazis, such as Irina Farion or Oleg Tyagnibok, but even moderates in the recent past policy, historians and public figures. If earlier the famous Bandera slogan “Glory to Ukraine” could be heard only in the western regions of the “square”, now it is shouted out with joy in Kharkov, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk and Kyiv and other Russian-speaking cities. School and higher education is saturated with neo-Nazism, and dislike for Russians is instilled in Ukrainian children even in kindergarten.


If anyone else remembers, then the initial goals of the SVO were the denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine. It was planned to achieve these goals by military means, in the expectation that after the overthrow of the neo-Nazi government in Kyiv, Ukrainian nationalism would disappear on its own. This plan seemed difficult even at the beginning of the NWO, and now it will be an order of magnitude more difficult to achieve real denazification. But this does not mean that it is not necessary to do this, because as the well-known saying goes: "better late than never." Moreover, this should be done not only by military methods, because in the battle for the minds they often win not with informational firearms.

What can be changed in the way the media work?


In recent years, a very powerful media system has been built in our country. However, despite their large number, the quality of information work sometimes leaves much to be desired. In particular, when the NWO began, we suddenly discovered that a very large amount of information is simply not covered in the official media, as a result of which people began to massively use alternative sources of information. The result of this was a tremendous increase in the popularity of telegram channels, which have now become one of the main sources of information about events in Ukraine.

One of the main shortcomings of the information support of the SVO is the lack of round-the-clock coverage of events taking place on the battlefields. In Ukraine, this issue was resolved on the very first day. A round-the-clock national telethon was forcibly launched there, to which all the country's leading TV channels were connected. As a result, the minds of Ukrainians 24/7 began to be processed by Bandera propaganda, which replaced almost all other TV shows. As for our information space, it is still full of entertaining films and programs. No, of course, it contains a large number News and political talk shows, however, with rare exceptions, they lack consistency and continuity.

But the most important thing is the almost complete absence in Russia of the media aimed at working with the inhabitants of Ukraine. All our newspapers and TV channels see Russians as their target audience, which is why they are read and watched quite rarely in the “country 404”. Someone may object that the Ukrainian authorities banned all Russian media a long time ago, so there is no need to create them in principle. But if you look at the situation objectively, then with the help of modern information of technologies almost everything is possible now. The social network VKontakte is also banned in Ukraine, but millions of residents of this country continue to use it.

How to reunite one people?


Our president often says that Russians and Ukrainians are one people. This is true, because we are united by a common past, culture, ancestors, etc. But in the present, Bandera's propaganda is doing everything possible to destroy this unity. And if earlier she was able to do this with difficulty, now the number of people in Ukraine who do not identify themselves as Russians has increased significantly.

What can our country do under these conditions? To be honest, it seems strange to me at all why this propaganda is still working. In the first hours of the NMD, I had no doubts that Ukrainian television towers and television centers would become one of the targets of Russian cruise missiles. There was no doubt that the mouthpieces of Ukrainian propaganda, such as Channel 5 or 1 + 1, would be silenced forever on February 25th. However, this did not happen either at the beginning of the NWO, or now.

Despite all the efforts of Bandera propaganda, millions of people still live in Ukraine, waiting for the reunification of a single people. And it is these people who should form the basis for the future state, living in peace and harmony with Russia. Many observers on this occasion have noted more than once that in this matter it is very important for the Russian authorities to publicly outline their goals and priorities in advance. These people should know that after reunification with Russia, a more worthy future awaits them, as well as a full guarantee of all rights and freedoms.

Is it too late to drink Borjomi?


One of the main objections that can be heard about the above is the assertion that the battle for the minds of the people of Ukraine has already been lost. Allegedly, over the past 30 years, two generations of people have already grown up for whom there is no such thing as a “one people”. And if there are people in this country on whom Russia can still rely, then they are in the vast minority and belong to older people. As for the youth, the bulk of it is irretrievably lost to Russia.

Perhaps there is some truth in these statements. But if we really want to achieve the goals of the SVO, then we cannot abandon the idea of ​​“re-educating” the inhabitants of Ukraine poisoned by Nazi propaganda. Some believe that there is no longer anyone to educate there, and the problem of Ukrainian neo-Nazism can be dealt with only with "fire and sword." But this method has not yet demonstrated the proper effectiveness, and every day there are more and more convinced neo-Nazis in Ukraine.

What do you think, is it worth our country to fight for the minds of the people of Ukraine fooled by Bandera propaganda? Or is it worth entrusting all this to our armed forces, because after the liberation of this country, the problem will disappear by itself.
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  1. Paul3390 Offline Paul3390
    Paul3390 (Paul) 18 December 2022 18: 19
    +3
    As Dementy quite rightly said at the Goblin's to the question: "Is it possible to re-educate Svidomites?" - if they allow to beat, then yes ..
    1. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 23 December 2022 22: 10
      0
      Why do they think they are fooled? Maybe they chose what they wanted. Maybe stay the USSR. such a mess would not exist at all. Now they only have to believe in themselves and no one else.
  2. vladivan Offline vladivan
    vladivan (Vladimir) 18 December 2022 18: 26
    +5
    The author of the article stubbornly, like everyone else, urinates the history of Ukrainization in 1917-20 and 1925-32. And without the openness of this story, there is no way to win!
    1. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
      ivan2022 (ivan2022) 18 December 2022 18: 52
      -7
      Quote from vladivan
      The author of the article stubbornly, like everyone else, urinates the history of Ukrainization in 1917-20 and 1925-32. And without the openness of this story, there is no way to win!

      Heh .... Heh ... "Ukrainization" was good, especially when the Red Army took Kyiv!

      Well, you, too, "keep silent" - the history of the Russification of all Soviet republics. In which it was mandatory to study Russian at school. And in which any second secretary was necessarily Russian.

      They write about this borzo in the former republics as often as in Russia, people like you have already gotten everyone into indigenization and Ukrainization a hundred years ago ....

      It seems that the tasks you have with them are different, but the goal is the same.
      1. vladivan Offline vladivan
        vladivan (Vladimir) 18 December 2022 19: 12
        +3
        Present facts and documents! Links, scanned documents, official documents with names about Russification! Provide a link where in the media and on television they talked about it so often that in 4 years it flashed only once? This story is only on the Internet and nowhere else. what else is a complete copy of the Bolshevik Ukrainization of 16-2020. It turns out that in Ukraine there is a law “on decommunization” of 1925, but in reality you are all Ukrainian Bolsheviks. Preaching the same Bolshevism. N Skrinpik Grinko, Shumskoy, Zatonsky - all the People’s Commissar of Education of the Ukrainian SSR, the creators of Ukrainians and everyone in the Bolshevik Party
      2. Paul3390 Offline Paul3390
        Paul3390 (Paul) 18 December 2022 20: 06
        +4
        Do you seriously think that the existence of a state is possible in which parts of the population do not understand each other ?? Come on in communication - and what about nationwide documentation - will you order to duplicate it in all languages ​​?? What the hell..

        As for the second secretaries - well, now the local women have been left unattended .. Having given full rein. AND?? How are the results? Impressive? No? Why is it so?
    2. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 18 December 2022 21: 27
      -1
      there was also a history of the participation of those who are now called Ukrainians in the turmoil in Russia on the side of Poland.
      1. vladivan Offline vladivan
        vladivan (Vladimir) 19 December 2022 12: 37
        -1
        Ukrainians appeared only in 1917! In the turmoil in Russia, Ukrainians could not participate in any way
      2. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 19 December 2022 18: 55
        0
        the history of the participation of those who are now called Ukrainians in the unrest in Russia on the side of Poland

        Terrible thing! What is this? Not otherwise - immortal? Or how?
    3. Snail N9 Offline Snail N9
      Snail N9 (Snail) 18 December 2022 22: 48
      +4
      Is it possible to win the battle for the minds of the people of Ukraine fooled by neo-Nazi propaganda?

      Of course. And even necessary. To develop our country in order to make life in it so comfortable that the brothers themselves want to return - no, no, this is taboo, this is not our way. Only with bayonets to drive into the brotherhood and only in this way.
    4. kr33sania_2 Offline kr33sania_2
      kr33sania_2 (Alex Kraus) 19 December 2022 11: 45
      +2
      And what to prove this information and to whom? Completely redundant movement. Now the main propaganda is the power of our weapons, which is not very visible, truth and justice in the Russian Federation, which are also tense. Everything is done quietly, privately. Conclusion: our government is afraid to let its people speak. So what the hell is there... history.
    5. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 19 December 2022 13: 36
      -2
      The author of the article stubbornly, like everyone else, passes over in silence the history of Ukrainization in 1917-20 and 1925-32.

      Why go so deep into history.
      There is a more defining historical period.
      In the late 80s, the top of the CPSU, completely detached from the people, decided to privatize the country. Probably the Americans helped her to come to this desire.
      As a result of the palace coup prepared by the CIA in Moscow, Yeltsin, the protégé of the United States, came to power in the CPSU. The country, out of habit, followed Moscow's instructions. Probably also the Americans were taken under the control and leadership of all the dispersed republics.
      They always had plans to conquer the world. With the collapse of the USSR, the task of conquering Europe, and then China, came next. However, how to subjugate Europe - this impregnable block?
      The Anglo-Saxons decided to make a "lighter" out of improvised means to kindle a fire in it. For this role, they have long been preparing the Great Russian and Ukrainian branches of the Russian people - now it's time to use the blank.
      According to the distribution of roles, "Ukrainian" received the role of "fascist", and Russia - "defender and patriot".
      The governments of Russia, Ukraine, key European countries, the EU and NATO, subordinate to the Anglo-Saxons, are involved in the implementation of the plan.
      All of the above elements are for the owners themselves - the Anglo-Saxons nothing more than consumables.
      The list of goals that they now set for themselves:
      - drawing Russia in Ukraine into a war with Europe (NATO)
      - bleeding and defeat of Russia by the hands of Europe
      - weakening Europe with the blood of Russia so that the blame for this was on Russia
      - appropriation of Russia's resources and the transformation of a weakened Europe into an industrial appendage
      - redirecting Russia's nuclear weapons to China, and attacking it from Russian territory, or forcing it to take the required actions
      - the use of the people of Russia as "cannon fodder" against China and the destruction
      - hunting for immigrants from Russia around the world, the final solution of the "Russian question" and the rewriting of history
      The result will be the complete dominance of the Anglo-Saxons in the European and Pacific region.
      Thus, having been an instrument of the Anglo-Saxons for some time now, Russia, like Ukraine, is to blame for what happened. She had to start working with Ukraine immediately after the collapse of the USSR. Both parts of the divided people should be blamed for everything and hated by the authors of all this - the Anglo-Saxons. Unlike Ukraine, Russia has a tool to force them all back into place.
      This story also gives the only correct way out for all participants - a return to the origins. For us and Ukraine, this is the restoration of a union state and a return to building socialism according to a corrected national model in alliance with China and other socialist countries
      1. Nelton Offline Nelton
        Nelton (Oleg) 19 December 2022 13: 45
        +1
        How easy it is to reduce all problems to 3 spies and the CIA...
        1. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 19 December 2022 14: 08
          -1
          Knots should not be tangled even more, and not cut to the quick, but UNLOADED
  3. Gulo Offline Gulo
    Gulo (Anatoly) 18 December 2022 18: 27
    +6
    You have to fight, you have to. But think about how many people have already died. And how will the fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters and children of the dead treat the other side. The question is very complex, and I do not see a clear answer.
  4. anti-aircraft gunner 18 December 2022 18: 44
    +3
    No. The battle is hopelessly lost. There are no millions of waiters there. This is the 50+ generation, which no longer has authority. All young people are Ukrainianized and Russophoble. The best option is to end this massacre immediately, bring UN peacekeepers to the line of contact and freeze the conflict forever.
    The second worst option is complete capitulation under Western compulsion. With a rollback to the borders of 1991 and the surrender of the Crimea.
    There are no other options. We are not expected there. And with each bombing of the thermal power plant, there are fewer and fewer waiting people. Soon it won't be at all. We will be hated by everyone, throughout the entire territory of the former Ukrainian SSR.
    1. Griffith Offline Griffith
      Griffith (Oleg) 18 December 2022 19: 04
      +7
      Delusional heard nothing. The United States dropped 2 nuclear weapons on Japan. And nothing, the Japanese are the best at licking the American ass. And the best Janissaries were from the Slavs. Everything depends on the right upbringing. An example of the fact that the grandchildren of the winners of fascism themselves became fascists is a direct example of this.
      1. anti-aircraft gunner 18 December 2022 19: 17
        +7
        Yes, they lick. To the winners. Yes, they were the best. At the winners. But Russia is now in the role of the vanquished. And the winner will never be without the capture of Lviv. Because the Politburo has no plans to liberate Lvov. They have plans for negotiations and deals.
        1. Griffith Offline Griffith
          Griffith (Oleg) 18 December 2022 19: 34
          -1
          The existence of any human society is built on negotiations and deals. If you do not understand this, then you are a barbarian by definition. The only question is the results of negotiations and deals. Moreover, the results are short-term, medium-term and long-term. At the same time, short-term results can be diametrically opposed to long-term results. And the task of the leadership of any country is to bring the short-term and long-term results to a common denominator. Every action, as they say, has two sides: good and bad. It's like your birth. It's good for you, but it doesn't mean that everyone is happy about it.
        2. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
          Just a cat (Bayun) 18 December 2022 21: 40
          0
          the Poles will do better to clean up the lions from the Svidomo laughing definitely then no grandchildren of Shukhevych and children of Medvedchuk will come out.
      2. kr33sania_2 Offline kr33sania_2
        kr33sania_2 (Alex Kraus) 19 December 2022 11: 49
        0
        And all because we have no ideology! Yes, you need to hang for it! And Solovyov "spreads" for a small penny !!!! ! Dog females!
    2. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
      ivan2022 (ivan2022) 18 December 2022 19: 08
      -1
      If the Anglo-Saxons were also worried about everyone who "does not like us there" - they would not have achieved a damn thing in this world.

      Get it on your nose that the State is a shepherd, and the people are a herd. Wherever they go, they will go there.

      In our country, too, in the 90s they were taught not only to "support and approve" the ruin of their own big country. But also pour shit on the graves of their ancestors .... And nothing, as it were ... It rolled even like.!! ...

      Already twice Yeltsin was recognized as President. And the new constitution was adopted exactly after the execution in 1993 of the All-Russian Congress of People's Deputies ..

      How was it written by Pushkin?
      "Do you need to cut or shear?" .. So what? .... Yesterday they cut, today they cut and do it right....
    3. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
      Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 18 December 2022 23: 16
      -3
      Our anti-aircraft gunner is on the side of defeat, which cannot be, because with nuclear weapons, the defeat of Russia cannot be from the word at all. As for the lost minds, the battle in the east and south of Ukraine is not hopeless. Further west it is worse and in the west it is hopeless. And the main thing is that the people are mostly illiterate. Piss in his eyes and lie about God's dew, he says - God's grace. If Russia has the courage to occupy Ukraine completely, then in 25 years the majority of the population of Ukraine will consider Bandera a fascist killer, Poroshenko and Zelensky as corrupt creatures who tried to sell their country to the Americans. The media will do everything right. Sane people in our country (including in Russia) are a minority. In fact, there are many options for ending hostilities. And in these options, there is no victory for Ukraine. She will not be able to return even what Russia has already conquered, no matter how much Blood is shed.
    4. Anyuta Glorious Offline Anyuta Glorious
      Anyuta Glorious (Anna Koval) 20 December 2022 08: 23
      0
      Write some nonsense. The outskirts is just a pretext. And there will be no frozen conflict. If the state does not expand its zone of influence, then those who will do it at the expense of this state will find it. Russia is a prime example of this. For 25 years she sat quietly and did not touch anyone. Did it help? And only the leadership of the Russian Federation with its Minsks is to blame for the fact that everything is running there to such an extent. But it is necessary to correct the situation and cut down with the root. Take all Russian lands back. And let the citizens think for themselves how to be. If you don’t like it, let them go to the west, but there shouldn’t be a single Russophobe on Russian lands.
  5. shinobi Offline shinobi
    shinobi (Yuri) 18 December 2022 18: 52
    0
    With a kind word and a good flogging. On a regular basis, yes. You can. But you don’t need to. Take under your wing everyone who is actually with us, and leave the rest to the west. In the summer, Ukraine as a state will practically disappear from the political map .De facto it no longer exists, a joint colony of the USA and England.
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 18 December 2022 21: 37
      +2
      They prefer Poles for spanking. and Russia is despised for a kind word ... only a whip and not on a regular, but on an ongoing basis.
    2. Mordvin 3 Offline Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 (Vladimir) 19 December 2022 08: 04
      +2
      Quote: shinobi
      Take under your wing everyone who wants to, who is actually with us anyway, and leave the rest to the west.

      They will clean their feathers, arm themselves to the teeth, and go to beat the damned again. For in the West we have no allies.

      Quote: shinobi
      In the summer, Ukraine as a state will practically disappear from the political map.

      Oh well. They already wrote to me in the spring that in the autumn we would start riveting ships at the shipyards of Nikolaev.
  6. Griffith Offline Griffith
    Griffith (Oleg) 18 December 2022 19: 02
    +3
    Ukrainization was carried out starting from the end of the 19th century. Under the Bolsheviks, this process accelerated (except for the time of Stalin) It flourished especially under Khrushchev. After the collapse of the USSR, the first nationalists were with a party card or Komsomol members. It was they who, after the collapse of the USSR, actively promoted the slogan Ukraine is not Russia. So Ukrainianization is already at least 150 years old. And it is very easy to treat. Firstly, this is a victory in the NWO to the very outskirts of Ukraine. Secondly, Ukrainianism should become costly. This will remove from Ukrainians millions parasitic on it. Thirdly and most importantly, this is a change in attitudes in society, when people whose meaning of life is parasitism will be pushed to the margins of society, up to individual reservations. You can even visually demonstrate how parasites will "build" a new Sumerian and dill. In the end, our consciousness is arranged in such a way that everything is known in comparison. And the new Dill and Sumeria will be an "excellent" argument for a new society.
    By the way, the parizita is very easy to distinguish. Anyone who loves a freebie thinks that everyone owes him due to the fact of his existence and considers the rest to be suckers - that 100% parasite.
    1. anti-aircraft gunner 18 December 2022 19: 19
      0
      If it doesn't happen in the first place, it won't happen in the second place either. And in the first place, it never will. So you can not fantasize and not break spears.
      1. Nike Offline Nike
        Nike (Nikolai) 18 December 2022 19: 52
        +1
        What can you say about the denazification of Germany after the Second World War?
        1. Mordvin 3 Offline Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 (Vladimir) 19 December 2022 08: 11
          +4
          Germany was completely invaded and the Nuremberg Trials were held. The goals of the Allies to denationalize Germany coincided, although they divided it into two parts. Germany was found guilty on all sides, which we do not observe today in relation to Ukraine. As well as the fact that we are going to completely take Ukraine under control. Not enough strength.
    2. Paul3390 Offline Paul3390
      Paul3390 (Paul) 18 December 2022 20: 11
      +2
      Fighting Ukrainians is elementary simple. You just need to stop subsidizing him. Do you want a newspaper on the move? Website? TV show? book? Song? Yes, my God, no one will say a word against you. But - for their hard-earned. If you manage to recapture the costs and earn - well done. No - you're stuck on the loot. For there are no subsidies for the type of support for national culture.

      I’m sure that the movnyuks will end in a maximum of 10 years .. Well, well - 15 for the most stubborn .. For without support from the outside, the language didn’t give up on anyone .. Well, there’s nothing on it that could really recapture money ..
    3. vladivan Offline vladivan
      vladivan (Vladimir) 18 December 2022 23: 18
      -1
      There was no Ukrainianization in the middle of the 19th century, due to the fact that Ukrainians began to be created by the UCR, only in 1917. Before that, there were Little Russians, and their language was called Little Russian in the entire press. And since 1905 in Galicia they decided to replace the names Little Russians, Little Russian, with Ukrainians, and Ukrainian. But they didn’t officially recognize them from the authorities of Austria-Hungary and the Republic of Ingushetia. In Austria-Hungary, as there were Rusyns or Rutens in Latin, the official name remained until 1914-18
    4. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
      Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 18 December 2022 23: 25
      0
      Well, your ideas are actually reminiscent of Nazi Germany. Don't find? Well, in Russia, apart from Ukrainians, Muscovites love freebies the most. They get it the most. How do you feel about Muscovites?
      1. isofat Offline isofat
        isofat (isofat) 19 December 2022 18: 00
        +1
        Alexey Lantukh, instead of taking an example from the Nazis and attacking Muscovites, explain to readers where they don’t like freebies? laughing

        PS The word "freebie" in Hebrew means milk. On the territory of the Russian Empire, and specifically in Odessa, there was a custom of free distribution of milk by rich Jews for poor Jewish families with babies. yes
        1. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
          Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 19 December 2022 18: 43
          0
          Everyone loves a freebie, no doubt about it. But Muscovites get most of the freebies, because the government feeds them so that they don’t arise. That’s why Muscovites don’t like freebies, or rather, for what they get the most.
          1. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) 19 December 2022 21: 37
            0
            Alexey Lantukhlet's be objective. Muscovites are not to blame for the fact that freeloaders gather in Moscow. There are enough worthy people in Moscow. yes
            1. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
              Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 19 December 2022 22: 13
              -2
              There are many worthy people, besides, Moscow is more educated than the provinces, and this cannot be taken away. However, there are also a lot of cheaters.
              1. isofat Offline isofat
                isofat (isofat) 19 December 2022 22: 42
                0
                Alexey Lantukh, as it should be in the capital, which is Moscow. yes
  7. Shuev Offline Shuev
    Shuev 18 December 2022 19: 11
    0
    Is it possible to win the battle for the minds of those fooled by Deoligarchization?

    we suddenly discovered that a very large amount of information is simply not covered in the official media

    A well-known lobbyist for patriotic legislative initiatives sent his daughters to study abroad
    The head of state was persuaded to launch a special operation by billionaire Kovalchuk
    Property of oligarchs and officials arrested in Europe
    Protests against raising the retirement age
  8. lance Offline lance
    lance 18 December 2022 19: 33
    0
    those who taught the Soros textbook can’t fix their minds, but starting from the age of 10-12 and learning the history of the Russian Federation with the outskirts, one of them will grow about Russian-minded youth
    1. VAHOKA Offline VAHOKA
      VAHOKA (VAHOKA) 18 December 2022 20: 15
      0
      those who taught the Soros textbook can’t fix their minds, but starting from the age of 10-12 and learning the history of the Russian Federation with the outskirts, one of them will grow about Russian-minded youth

      Right. For 8 years, a huge gap has appeared between the Crimeans and Donetsk residents, which will only increase every year, since both generations grew up in completely different opposite information fields)
    2. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
      Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 18 December 2022 23: 28
      +1
      It's not just about Soros's textbooks, but also about our lives, or rather, about justice and truth. So it is necessary that the ideas of truth and justice be in the forefront.
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  9. Shuev Offline Shuev
    Shuev 18 December 2022 19: 50
    0
    No, of course, it contains a large amount of news and political talk shows, but, with rare exceptions, they lack consistency and continuity.

    And we have reached the point that on TV, in the news, we see the story of only one person or a group of people who surround him

    These people should know that after reunification with Russia, a better future awaits them.
  10. Watching Offline Watching
    Watching (Alex) 18 December 2022 20: 04
    +1
    The experience of 1945 in Germany shows that one must be tough with the vanquished, but fair. For the former Nazis, who for a number of reasons remained in the GDR, the NDPD (National Democratic Party of Germany) party was created, which is also represented in parliament, but under the watchful eye of the State Security (or how?). And in the initial history of the GDR there was a generation of youth poisoned by nationalist ideology, so what? Those who wanted to, hit the road until 1961 in Germany, those who did not want to, they accepted the new regime, settled down. The same will happen to the Ukrainian youth in the event of a Russian victory. And ten-year-olds can still be retrained.
  11. VAHOKA Offline VAHOKA
    VAHOKA (VAHOKA) 18 December 2022 20: 09
    +3
    Absolutely 100% impossible, all completely 100% attempts to get through completely fail miserably, I haven’t been able to get through to their empty heads even once in a year, you know, I don’t even feel sorry for them, because 90% of Ukrainians live in poush * they don’t blame in everything Russian and not Ukrainian authorities)
    For example, I ask my aunt that you are over 60 years old, you have worked for so many years, but you are still not retired, why? She replied that Putin stole my pension from me. I, but Putin has nothing to do with it, Poroshenko, after all, signed a decree on increasing the pension period in Ukraine and not Putin, She began to yell terribly loud in convulsions, saliva splashes in all directions, she screams that I am a separatist that I am not a patriot that I do not like Ukraine so I am for Russia and support the war
    I continue quietly and calmly - you have been living in 35 apartment for 1 years, Khrushchek, your son lives with you with his wife and raises 3 children, don’t you think it’s strange that you live for generations in 1 apartment? You don't buy a new apartment because it's too expensive and you don't have money, right? Who is to blame for the fact that everything is terribly expensive? She is PUTIN'S GUILTY. Then the conversation was useless because no matter what I said, I am an enemy of Ukraine, I am not a patriot
    Another example, a boy who graduated from university, 26 years old, 100% complete lack of a future and any prospects in life and career, lives in fear of waiting for tomorrow, all the little income goes to food and utilities, he wears the same clothes for years. He hates the Russians with all his heart, and if they go to Ukraine, he will immediately go to the army to kill the Russians (if after February 24, communication with him was cut off, perhaps already in a zinc coffin)
    I told him - While you live in the horror of waiting for tomorrow and work 12 hours a day for six days, judges and prosecutors do nothing, get mind-blowing salaries and buy yachts and real estate in the USA, maybe you'd better take a weapon and shoot at them and not in Russian ? All the same, you live in such a JO ** E and for them and not for the Russians ....
    He- Do you know how judges and prosecutors live in Russia, which you love? I- Who told you that I love Russia? I'm talking about my country in which I live. Then he again began to switch the arrows to Russia and the conversation was 100% useless.
    I can give dozens of such examples, but the result is always the same - I am an enemy of Ukraine, I don’t like something about it. Always like this! What I won’t say about Ukraine, what needs to be done and how to improve the country, I am accused of Kremlin propaganda and that I am not a patriot.
    In the understanding of ZZZombi, there are only 2 concepts of who is for someone_ or you are for Ukraine (you fully support all the actions of the Ukrainian authorities no matter how bad they are) if you don’t like something (Corruption and oligarchy) then you are an enemy of Ukraine, you are for Russia and you Kremlin agent.
    1. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
      Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 18 December 2022 23: 37
      0
      Yes, there are many (zombified). Especially among the drones. Some of them are incurable. However, many can be re-educated if you occupy the country, turn off zombie propaganda, tell who ruled them and what the real history of the country is, and what needs to be done to make a brighter future come.
      1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
        Just a cat (Bayun) 19 December 2022 04: 25
        +2
        this is not re-education. Russia has been tinkering with them for centuries. this is an attempt to suppress the instincts, but they will still come out.
        1. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
          Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 19 December 2022 14: 09
          0
          You don't really need to mess around. Ukraine should be an occupied country for many years to come. Propaganda, education, the occupation of certain positions should be under the control of a special commission for denazification.
          1. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) 20 December 2022 12: 55
            0
            Alexey Lantukh, to liberate the country from Maidan terrorists who tried to seize power, which led to a long civil war - not an occupation.

            The community of Soviet people, who were given the opportunity to build their own unique state, disintegrated as a result. What this community wanted to build is not an easy question. Is this experience worth repeating? My opinion is not worth it.
  12. viktor goblin Offline viktor goblin
    viktor goblin (viktor goblin) 18 December 2022 20: 14
    +1
    It looks like they are looking for the back .. We switched to active defense. To start .
  13. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 18 December 2022 20: 18
    +1
    Author:
    What do you think, is it worth our country to fight for the minds of the people of Ukraine fooled by Bandera propaganda?

    I think that it is necessary to fight for the solution of the main task - forcing the owners and organizers of this war - the USA and Great Britain - to retreat.
    If it is resolved, then the possibility of Ukraine to get into the "bright Bandera" future will also disappear, and then its entire Bandera movement will automatically lose its support and hopes. Now this opportunity exists solely due to the place in the geopolitical post-war alignment, "allocated" to Ukraine by the United States and their support.
    The above once again shows the FURTHERNESS of the current approach of the Kremlin to solve the problem by military means only in Ukraine, bypassing its owners with threats and forceful pressure. It is no coincidence that this is what the plan to draw Russia into the war with NATO and destroy it is built on.
  14. calligrapher Lev_Nikolaevich (Dmitriy) 18 December 2022 20: 29
    +2
    If possible, TVs in Ukraine should be turned off now.
    Because the way current events are interpreted by dill propaganda will also determine the perception of subsequent events when this propaganda runs out. And it will dry up when we press them. But something will already be imprinted in their consciousness.
    How do they perceive "Bucha" now? Do they know about the shelling of the Armed Forces of Donetsk, Belgorod?
    But the arrivals of Geraniums are seen by everyone. And there is no doubt that dill propaganda is doing everything to convince people that the purpose of these arrivals is peaceful people.
    1. VAHOKA Offline VAHOKA
      VAHOKA (VAHOKA) 18 December 2022 20: 34
      0
      Before the March withdrawal of troops, a large number of TV towers were destroyed or damaged, people began to slowly wake up to common sense, until the repairmen fixed everything
  15. Rainy Offline Rainy
    Rainy 18 December 2022 20: 41
    +5
    we share a common past

    The past is past because it has already passed. That's it, they can not live and cling to him. We need to move on.

    after reunification with Russia, a more worthy future awaits them, as well as a full guarantee of all rights and freedoms.

    In more detail, please, what can we offer Ukraine? It will be especially interesting to read about freedom.
    1. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
      vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 18 December 2022 23: 12
      +2
      The struggle is for territories, for resources, the people are in last place, as a source of income, as a renewable consumable. The capitalists of the West and the Russian Federation can only offer the people of Ukraine a carrot on a string.
      1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
        Just a cat (Bayun) 19 December 2022 04: 27
        -2
        and what can the people of Ukraine offer? laughing mathematicians, physicists, scientists? The country (Russia) did not particularly notice the loss of Loboda, Shevchuk, etc.
        1. Mordvin 3 Offline Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 (Vladimir) 19 December 2022 08: 52
          0
          Quote: Just Cat
          The country (Russia) did not particularly notice the loss of Loboda, Shevchuk, etc.

          I recorded a BI-2 for myself, and I listen calmly.

          winter agent
          Set fire to foliage
          The whole world is on fire
          And I live
          No Spare
          airfields
  16. paramaribo55 kmt (paramaribo55 kmt) 18 December 2022 20: 58
    +2
    The answer is obvious. It is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to convince, re-educate, prove to these people, the Ukronazis, Banderaites and those who sympathize with them, that they were brainwashed, that Russia is not an enemy to the Ukrainians. The reformatting of their brains took place over 30 years, during such a period, almost anyone can be molded from any ordinary citizen. The human brain is very susceptible to suggestion, especially young people. But to change it back is impossible. These generations are lost, they will not be different, and this is approximately 70% of the total population. Therefore, let our heroic Russian Army continue to grind Ukronazism. Let the military-industrial complex of Russia gain momentum. Let the scientists and gunsmiths of Russia develop and produce the most modern weapons based on fundamentally new physical principles. If we are not respected, then let us be afraid.
  17. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 18 December 2022 21: 18
    -2
    the author posed an interesting question! The answer is definitely possible and necessary! This requires a specialist like me, not the lured nephews of the bosses who now run the media.
    1) it is necessary to use modern technologies for manipulating mass consciousness based on the ideas of Walter Lipman, judging by our media, they don’t even know what I’m writing about here, “they didn’t but didn’t hear” about Walter Lipman, who canceled World War III in the 50s, but invented the Cold War and the author of the methods that destroyed the USSR without a single shot ....
    2) a systematic approach, it seems that almost no one knows this 3) coercive measures used in 1945-1953 in Eastern Europe and the Kaliningrad region, the Baltic states, Chechnya, western Ukraine, etc.
  18. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
    Just a cat (Bayun) 18 December 2022 21: 29
    0
    For the "minds" of the British, Germans, French, Swedes, Turks, etc. Russia has been quite successful at fighting. but there has been a problem with the "mind" of Ukrainians for centuries ... maybe we are fighting in a different way, or maybe it (the mind) does not exist at all ...
  19. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 18 December 2022 22: 06
    +3
    Battles for minds are won by victories, technological breakthroughs, favorable living conditions, etc.
    And where does Russia win? As long as you can't see...
    Now, if he wins, then maybe there will be no need to fight for the minds.
    And if it’s either war, or trade, or negotiations, or the Nazi regime .....
    Then no one will respect.
  20. Event Observer Offline Event Observer
    Event Observer (Oleg T) 18 December 2022 22: 21
    +4
    We must start with our own country - Russia. To make it the highest possible standard of living, medicine, social guarantees, freedoms and justice. So that Russians and Ukrainians see a highly developed, fair Russia, which can offer a decent life to all people, and Ukrainians too. Then "one people" will want to live in one country.
    Modern neo-liberal Russia with its numerous social problems, alcoholism, poverty, the stratification of society into the poor and the rich, corruption at all levels from medicine to education is not a country in which Ukrainians want to live. Unfortunately.
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 19 December 2022 04: 30
      -2
      Nobody invited them to live in Russia. Luckily. and for the "moskalyaku on the gilyak" you will have to pay with blood.
    2. paramaribo55 kmt (paramaribo55 kmt) 19 December 2022 08: 26
      0
      It's funny)) they don't want to live, there's no problem with a suitcase at the station .... Gone are the days when they were persuaded, what would you like shanovny Ukrainians? Or maybe this, or maybe that? If you don't like it, leave it while you can..
  21. RFR Offline RFR
    RFR (RFR) 18 December 2022 22: 41
    0
    It is necessary to occupy our Russian territories, but the ideological ones cannot be persuaded, they must be squeezed out into the Zapadenschina, we certainly don’t need it ... Well, and most importantly, work with youth, which, unfortunately, we also lack, look at school history textbooks ... If this is not changed, then it will be ahead ....
    1. paramaribo55 kmt (paramaribo55 kmt) 19 December 2022 08: 29
      -1
      Especially ideological ones should be squeezed into the ground, and not into neighboring areas
  22. mechanic Offline mechanic
    mechanic (Yuri) 18 December 2022 22: 47
    +4
    And why do you think that their propaganda is somehow worse / better than ours?
    For me, they are absolutely equivalent and cost the same: for smart people, nothing, for narrow-minded people, everything.
  23. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 18 December 2022 22: 53
    +1
    It is possible to win the battle for Ukraine.
    Issue the Law of the Russian Federation, which will state that the entire territory of Ukraine, captured by the separatists with the help of NATO, is an integral part of Russia, within the borders of 1975.
    In the presence of the Law, the NWO carried out by Russia in Ukraine is the liberation of the territory of Russia occupied by separatists, the restoration of the territorial integrity of Russia, the reunification of peoples, the inclusion of the economy, population, territory of Ukraine in the sphere of economic activity of Russia.
    The law will set the goal. A strategy will be formed. Tactics were developed, tasks were set and the enemy was named.
    Assigning the status of the territory of Ukraine, that this is the territory of Russia, will transfer the NMD into a counter-terrorist operation (CTO), i.e. all hostilities will take place inside the state of the Russian Federation, and this is a different legal basis, which will lead to the rapid disappearance of the war in Ukraine, people will stop killing each other.
    After the victory, the issues of re-education will be decided.
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 19 December 2022 04: 33
      0
      an idea from a Ukrainian ... but do the national minorities of Romanians, Hungarians, Poles and the same Russians want to remain in the same state with an incomprehensible tribe without a self-name? yesterday they are Little Russians, today they are Ukrainians, and tomorrow what will they be called? rutens?
  24. ValBor Offline ValBor
    ValBor (Valery) 18 December 2022 23: 35
    +1
    It's a question of time. For 5 years, no. For 30 you can. The gentleman was asked ... how to grow an English lawn? Very simple. Cut, cut and cut ... and so the next 100 years and you will have an English lawn
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 19 December 2022 04: 35
      +1
      since 1686 the result is zero ... so never, never. genetics...
  25. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 18 December 2022 23: 50
    +3
    About nothing.
    The author answered the question himself.

    Now it is ..... but even moderate politicians, historians and public figures in the recent past. If earlier the famous Bandera slogan “Glory to Ukraine” could be heard only in the western regions of the “square”, now it is shouted out with joy in Kharkov, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk and Kyiv and other Russian-speaking cities.

    No wonder the news somehow did not emphasize: And how many refugees left Kherson for Ukraine? And how many to Russia? And how much is left to wait for the APU?

    It is somehow difficult to re-educate under the bombing when the old people get sick without electricity. The history of recent wars confirms this ...
  26. gosha smirnov_2 Offline gosha smirnov_2
    gosha smirnov_2 (gosha smirnov) 19 December 2022 00: 19
    +6
    It’s too late! And it’s too late to do this since at least 2014. And there is only one main problem in this - Russia itself. And the problem is that the Russian Federation is not able, firstly, to develop at least one ideological concept that is sane and accepted by the masses , which should actually consist of a maximum of one line, such as: "Land to the peasants!". In Ukraine, everything is very simple and clear: we are going to the EU. There are some initial attempts to label almost absolutely the entire population as Nazis (it’s also the most convenient way to create the necessary and correct image of the enemy), to pull out the right moments from history and consider that this is quite enough already.
    Secondly, you can beat yourself in the chest with the heel of your left foot, trying to prove that the SVO is following some kind of cunning plan, but the simply fantastic failures of the RF Armed Forces and all these "grain deals" with "correct exchanges" literally undermined even the remnants of the faith of people who believe in the Russian Federation in Ukraine itself. Well, with what tales about "stepping back" are you going to restore people's faith in something, sitting in the most deaf defense, even having the most powerful and controlled media? nothing to talk about, then then beg him for negotiations? Is it like that?
    And what do you think, is it worth our country to fight for the minds ... - it’s clearly not worth it with approaches like before. .
    Maybe it's time not to rearrange the beds in the brothel, huh?
    1. Olgerd Tees Offline Olgerd Tees
      Olgerd Tees (Olgerd Tees) 19 December 2022 02: 05
      +6
      Quote: gosha smirnov_2
      Late! And it's too late to do at least since 2014. And there is only one main problem in this - Russia itself. And the problem is that the Russian Federation is not able, firstly, to generally develop at least one sane and accepted by the masses of the ideological concept

      Quite right, only with an adjustment in time: it began with the EBN deal "Kremlin for Crimea" in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, and then the Kremlin only successfully searched through all the possibilities of solving this problem, right up to 2014. And then - you can one can repeat the propaganda clichés about the "return of Crimea" for a long time, but in reality it was realized only as squeezing delicious Crimean assets into someone's very private paws in exchange for draining the LPR/DPR and official recognition of the "Maidan power" in Kyiv. Everything that follows is only a logical consequence of deeper processes. Very much similar, unfortunately, to the results of the reign of emperors with the name Nicholas. Especially No. 1, although with such a "firm course" as the current Kremlin, she is able to surpass the "successes" of No. 2.
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  28. Alex D Offline Alex D
    Alex D (Alex D) 19 December 2022 03: 58
    +9
    And that Russian propaganda is better? Stand up for a just society, and at the same time rob the country and export abroad, or just rob? And the most interesting thing is that in power in Russia all the same people that ruined the USSR and no one has yet been punished, and THEY are still teaching us justice.
  29. Alex D Offline Alex D
    Alex D (Alex D) 19 December 2022 04: 02
    +8
    Quote: Event Observer
    We must start with our own country - Russia. To make it the highest possible standard of living, medicine, social guarantees, freedoms and justice. So that Russians and Ukrainians see a highly developed, fair Russia, which can offer a decent life to all people, and Ukrainians too. Then "one people" will want to live in one country.
    Modern neo-liberal Russia with its numerous social problems, alcoholism, poverty, the stratification of society into the poor and the rich, corruption at all levels from medicine to education is not a country in which Ukrainians want to live. Unfortunately.

    Russia is a modern semi-colony. Learn the materiel! The largest of the few left on the planet. And the only one with a white population! - Nonsense in the 21st century! The elites, together with the people, surrendered their country 30 years ago. Well, at least they earned the elites, but the people only lost;)
    Don't expect justice here. She won't. Propaganda is another lie. You can see for yourself how social benefits are being cut more and more. 90% of the raw material rent is taken by foreigners or kleptocrats in power, and the population is dying out and degrading. Don't expect anything good from this government! Today's elite are those who took part in the surrender of the country to enemies 30 years ago! Remember this!!!
    Starting with Gorbachev, all positions of the president here are consistent with the British!
  30. radvas Offline radvas
    radvas (Igor) 19 December 2022 04: 20
    +1
    Who do you want to re-educate? Khokhla? For whom the main thing is a hut, a pig, a zhinka? I beg you ... Yes, and the war is not with Ukraine, but with the whole West, as in the Patriotic
  31. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 19 December 2022 05: 47
    -1
    Why did they give up. Remember the story of two biblical brothers...
  32. Andrey Andreev_2 (Andrey Andreev) 19 December 2022 07: 00
    +7
    Banal business is hidden behind the slogans of demilitarization and denazification! And nothing more))) Therefore, no one cares what they think or how they perceive. It’s just that an ordinary person, including those who are fighting in Ukraine on both sides, is just dust under the nails of some, no one cares about this person .... alas, only business (((( Evidence of this is the calm operation of oil and gas pipelines through Ukraine, preparations for the launch of the ammonia pipeline, etc. Although, in theory, they should have been destroyed on the very first day of the NWO))))
  33. Pravodel Offline Pravodel
    Pravodel (ppp) 19 December 2022 07: 33
    +3
    after the liberation of this country, the problem will disappear by itself

    This statement is a profound delusion. The fight against Nazi ideology will take many years. For example, post-war Germany. In eastern Germany, denazification was carried out, in western Germany it was not. The result is on the face. Similarly, with banderlogs in the USSR. Not dodavlennye Bandera and their ideology has now revived and rules in Ukraine. Therefore, it will take oh, how long to clean Ukraine and the lands returned to Russia from Bandera’s influence, which, just, is demonstrated by the work of counterintelligence in the liberated territories, where waiting people and traitors are constantly caught. Only in the denazification of Ukraine it is impossible to repeat the mistake of Khrushchev, who released the Banderlogs from the camps and granted amnesty to them. Today's Ukraine is the result of Khrushchev's mistake, if not betrayal... Today's banderlogs are the children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren of banderlogs who were not crushed after the Second World War.
    1. vladivan Offline vladivan
      vladivan (Vladimir) 19 December 2022 12: 18
      0
      You read about denazification on the wiki, and then write in which part denazification was carried out and which part was not
  34. Vasya 225 Offline Vasya 225
    Vasya 225 (Vyacheslav) 19 December 2022 09: 50
    +3
    Unfortunately, the situation is developing in such a way that at the current stage it is useless to fight for the Ukrainians. The extreme pressure has not been passed and you can only count on their hatred. The only benefit will be from working in the "liberated territories. There will be a turning point. For this, it is necessary not to surrender territories, but to win. It will be especially worse with the Westerners. Terror is needed there. And whether they are needed at all. Let them be brought up by the Poles. They are used to it. But all this is still to be reached.
  35. Vox_Populi Offline Vox_Populi
    Vox_Populi (vox populi) 19 December 2022 10: 03
    +2
    Moreover, this should be done not only by military methods, because in the battle for the minds they often win not with informational firearms.

    If this did not work out for a long time under more favorable conditions, then how and on what basis will it work out now? Especially when you consider the muddy stream of stupid chauvinistic comments on the Internet, incl. on this site.

    These people should know that after reunification with Russia, a more worthy future awaits them, as well as a full guarantee of all rights and freedoms.

    It almost sounds like a joke or subtle irony (or maybe sarcasm?!)...

    But if we really want to achieve the goals of the SVO, then we cannot abandon the idea of ​​“re-educating” the inhabitants of Ukraine poisoned by Nazi propaganda. Some believe that there is no longer anyone to educate there, and the problem of Ukrainian neo-Nazism can be dealt with only with "fire and sword." But this method has not yet demonstrated the proper effectiveness, and every day there are more and more convinced neo-Nazis in Ukraine.

    Once again, there is an unobtrusive mixing of neo-Nazis / neo-fascists with "simply" nationalists and ordinary supporters of the sovereignty of Ukraine (in their understanding) ...
  36. polynet Offline polynet
    polynet (polinet) 19 December 2022 11: 22
    -1
    Electricity must be cut down, but they are poured into their ears about endless peremogi. Plus the lack of alternative information.
  37. anti-aircraft gunner 19 December 2022 12: 12
    0
    Quote: Griffit
    Negotiations and deals

    During the fight in the ring, boxers do not negotiate. Before - as much as you like, after - please. But during the battle you have to fight for victory. Otherwise, you will lose by knockout or on points. I hope this analogy is clear.
  38. anti-aircraft gunner 19 December 2022 12: 21
    0
    Quote: Alexey Lan
    Our anti-aircraft gunner is on the side of defeat,

    Firstly, I am not on the side of defeat, but for victory - ruthless and quick, with the complete destruction of Ukraine, even in mentions.

    Quote: Alexey Lan
    with nuclear weapons, the defeat of Russia cannot be from the word at all.

    And secondly, nuclear weapons are a bogey that the Politburo brandishes, trying, like a savage, to scare a pack of wolves with fire. Yes, the wolves, of course, at first they will be scared, but then they will understand that this fire is not so terrible. And end up killing the savage.
    Nuclear weapons do not give us any advantage in combat with infantry, tanks and artillery. Even super-duper missiles like Daggers do not provide any advantage either. So leave this propaganda bogey for propagandists and savages.
    1. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
      Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 19 December 2022 14: 24
      0
      What does it mean with the complete destruction of Ukraine? Does the land inhabited by Ukrainians exist? Exist!!! Do Ukrainians exist? Yes, there are! They may be Ukrainian-speaking, Russian-speaking, but they exist and something needs to be done about it. Most of them want "independence", whatever we say. Ukraine, occupied by us for many years, is, in my opinion, the best device for the country of Ukraine for Russia. Well, like Germany under the USA, but tougher, at least in the early years. Well, if part of Ukraine falls under Russia, then the device may be different.
      1. anti-aircraft gunner 19 December 2022 14: 36
        0
        I mean deprived of statehood. And there, let them chirp like a sparrow. And only as part of Russia. Give these Banderaites at least a centimeter of freedom, American propagandists will settle there in an instant. And all those who disagree - to go to Poland or somewhere else.
    2. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
      Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 19 December 2022 14: 26
      -1
      About nuclear weapons. What does bogey mean? This is including. And if they use it, then the weapon is not sickly.
      1. anti-aircraft gunner 19 December 2022 14: 40
        +1
        Don't know what a bogey is? Dictionary Ozhegov to help.
        Regarding the use of nuclear weapons. First, they won't apply. So there is nothing to be afraid of him. Secondly, what will be the application? The Americans did. What did it give them? In military terms, absolutely nothing. In that case, why should we use it?
  39. mechanic Offline mechanic
    mechanic (Yuri) 19 December 2022 12: 31
    +2
    The big question is who is really fooled by propaganda?
  40. Oleg V. Offline Oleg V.
    Oleg V. (Oleg Vladimirovich) 19 December 2022 14: 52
    0
    All Russians born in Russia, who faithfully serve the Bandera bastards, are on the block. All Farion, Yaroshey, etc. etc. wet anywhere and everywhere. Beat the youth until they blush ... The old Bandera people - for euthanasia.
  41. VladZ Offline VladZ
    VladZ (Vladimir) 19 December 2022 15: 06
    +2
    Sometimes I communicate with Ukrainian "patriots" on Facebook, trying to refute one or another numerous cissos fakes. And unfortunately I came to the conclusion that it is already too late to "drink Borjomi". All as one, both old and young, like parrots, repeat their hackneyed mantra about "occupier orcs", "Russian ship", etc., who do not even want to hear anything about the possibility of the existence of another, different from theirs and the Ukrainian propaganda point of view , even if it absolutely contradicts just elementary logic. For all the time I have not met a single, even more or less adequate character, capable of something more or less not only to prove, but also to reasonably object to this or that fake stuffing. Or there is an immediate translation of arrows about "crucified boys" and "Kyiv in three days" or a brazen denial of everything that is possible, with personal insults or, at best, with arguments like "himself -". Moreover, if everything is clear with the youth there (I try not to get involved) - they have Bandera blood with mother's milk, then pensioners 60-70 years old, most who lived their lives in the USSR, are clearly surprising. And when, you start to appeal to them to realize that they simply betrayed the memory of their fathers and grandfathers, who laid down their lives in the fight against fascism and its Bandera accomplices, they begin to shamelessly prove that they say you are zombified by your propaganda, which discredited the glorious zahisnik of independent Ukraine . And even the given links to certain documents do not help at all. Therefore, in such cases, I often stop the discussion, realizing that in this case it is simply impossible to prove something to these people. I came to the conclusion that the level of influence of Ukrainian "political education" on the minds of people in Nezalezhnaya is several orders of magnitude higher than ours. Whether it depends on the degree of "political literacy" of the Ukrainian layman, or on the lack of reliable information in the Ukrainian. information space, or from a simple unwillingness to find this reliable information. And it was a big mistake of the leaders of our NWO not to close this "propaganda field" at the very beginning of the war, allowing it to now metastasize with irreversible consequences. Although I understand that only the elimination of TV towers in the age of satellite television and radio broadcasting could not be dispensed with here. It was necessary to eliminate the entire energy infrastructure, which is being done now, but with a great delay and not efficiently and systematically ... Therefore, talking now about some kind of "re-education" of the Ukrainian population and "brotherly people" is extremely naive and stupid. There is only one way out - only military victory with regime change. Otherwise, an insurmountable wall of enmity for tens or even hundreds of years. Moreover, do not take "Zapadenschina" and immediately give it to Poland. Let the Poles themselves deal with Bandera.
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 19 December 2022 16: 07
      0
      This is all, unfortunately, a bitter truth, but we should not forget that Western professionals were engaged in zombifying Ukrainians.
      1. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 19 December 2022 18: 28
        +3
        You are right, however, apparently, the same professionals have been working with us since 1991, and also successfully. Take, at least our TV, all these years. This is for the picture, and the bitter truth to be complete
        1. guest Offline guest
          guest 19 December 2022 20: 15
          0
          Quote: Alexey Davydov
          The same professionals have been working with us since 1991, and also successfully.

          I do not argue that they were engaged, but fortunately not as successfully as in Ukraine.
          1. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 19 December 2022 20: 25
            0
            I don't dispute what they did.

            Why do you think they stopped it? Where is the visible "Rubicon" of our liberation?

            but fortunately not as successful as in Ukraine

            Also successful. The tasks were just different. Here the task was to use our patriotism within the framework of their plan. The plan is to push us into Ukraine, and then push us against Europe. Everything is working so far.
            Taboo - calls to deal with the Anglo-Saxons themselves. Here, too, they are all right.
            1. guest Offline guest
              guest 20 December 2022 00: 06
              0
              Quote: Alexey Davydov
              Also successful.

              No, if they were successful, there would be no Russia now.
              1. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 20 December 2022 00: 53
                0
                They would have destroyed us long ago with their own hands, if they did not have this, much more profitable option:
                - do it without shedding your own blood, with someone else's hands
                - to do this, more gently, by bleeding, without the emergence of a situation that directly obliges the leadership of Russia, which they control, to use its strategic weapons
                - at the same time, remove the European factor from its geopolitical competitors, and from China's possible partners in its game
                - eventually turn Europe into your slave, thereby compensating for your own lost industry
                All these bonuses allow them to implement their current plan.
                They not only destroy Russia, but also conquer Europe. They will only have China
                That's why they spared us then, and are messing with us now. The plan took time, and they went for it.
                Now their task is to draw us into a war with Europe
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 20 December 2022 01: 33
      +2
      Vlad, the destruction of towers and other broadcasters, in my opinion, is absolutely useless. I remember when I was young, it was interesting to hear what the Voice of America was talking about. For me, who grew up in a communist family, this voice really lied. The voice was jammed in every possible way and I was sure that they were doing the right thing. Once I even witnessed this personally. Through the rustling and cod, the voice was broadcasting that in my city for a whole week there were mass strikes and demonstrations in the squares. Naturally, there were no strikes at all. It is impossible to hide such things in the city. But some of my radio amateur friends made all kinds of filters, amplifiers and other devices to listen to this station and believed in everything no matter what it transmitted. Et I mean that bans tend to have sometimes the opposite effect. Voices are voices, but the voice of reason is more important.
    3. anti-aircraft gunner 20 December 2022 08: 57
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      I completely agree! This population is 100 percent zombified! So you don't have to babysit him. Whoever wanted to, had already left for Russia a long time ago.
      Only the termination of the existence of Ukraine as a state will be the first step towards reformatting consciousness. Only when the first generation of children, trained on Russian textbooks, grows up, then will Banderaism and glory of Ukraine begin to be forgotten in history.
  42. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 20 December 2022 01: 11
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    I once said that in shaping our approaches, we will be guided by the ideology of healthy conservatism. A conservative approach is not thoughtless guarding, not fear of change and not a game of retention, much less closing in one's own shell. This is, first of all, reliance on a time-tested tradition, the preservation and growth of the population, realism in assessing oneself and others, the precise alignment of the system of priorities, the correlation of the necessary and the possible, the prudent formulation of the goal, the fundamental rejection of extremism as a way of action.

    Whose words are these?
  43. anti-aircraft gunner 20 December 2022 08: 40
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    Quote: Anyuta Glorious
    there should not be a single Russophobe on Russian lands.

    Take a look around! Center of Russophobia in Moscow! The second in St. Petersburg. The third in Eburg. That's what it was necessary to start the CBO on derusophobia.
  44. Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 20 December 2022 08: 42
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    Quote: Snail N9
    Is it possible to win the battle for the minds of the people of Ukraine fooled by neo-Nazi propaganda?

    Of course. And even necessary. To develop our country in order to make life in it so comfortable that the brothers themselves want to return - no, no, this is taboo, this is not our way. Only with bayonets to drive into the brotherhood and only in this way.

    While there is a puppet government in the neighboring country, no one will let them fraternize with us, they stupidly don’t even know that we are good and we can help them, because their propaganda will tell what savages we are, we see asphalt with lanterns for the first time, we eat hedgehogs and steal sinks with toilets, and electric kettles without a stand (she actually says so). So if we have at least three times heaven on earth, no one will return. Wipe your eyes and come down from heaven, stop living in the world of pink horses.
  45. anti-aircraft gunner 20 December 2022 09: 04
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    Quote: guest
    not so successful

    Alas, we have lost the battle for the minds of young people. My friend's family is an example. His daughter succumbed to the propaganda of the oval, went to the Maidan, now lives with a Belarusian Maidan activist. Yes, and he and his wife contributed to this.
    Another example is hundreds of thousands of dodgers. And not only for reasons of cowardice or pacifism. No, these are already convinced Russophobes. And Ukrainians. And there are already millions of them in Russia. Unfortunately.
    1. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
      Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 20 December 2022 13: 48
      +1
      As for the Russian draft dodgers, who is to blame for this? Certainly not Soros. He honestly worked for the good of the West. This is the fault of the Russian leadership, which believed that young people are always for Russia by the fact of birth, regardless of being. However, life has shown that young people are not so stupid - they acutely feel lies and injustice, a huge gap in prosperity between the poor and the rich. There are not so many Russophobes, and even more so, Ukrainians, as we see in social networks, but many do not want to fight with Ukraine for such a Russia, and there are probably millions of them. Especially in the coverage of the special operation, for miscalculations and mistakes, complete silence.
  46. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 20 December 2022 14: 43
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    How is the propaganda of Ukraine different from the propaganda of Russia, if they were friends and sisters for more than three hundred years. That the same thing is called by different words. But they know they are one and the same. One big wants to dominate, and the second smaller does not want to be a slave. In general, this all reminds the last time of ancient Rome, which thought that it could manage the already unmanageable. Just like that father who was chasing cheapness. Everything is real and pop tolokon forehead, get on the forehead.
  47. guest Offline guest
    guest 20 December 2022 15: 26
    -1
    Is it possible to win the battle for the minds of the people of Ukraine fooled by neo-Nazi propaganda?

    Of course, you can, but you have to want to, and for some reason our government has problems with this.
  48. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 22 December 2022 02: 10
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    Hell yes they gave up.