High treason: why do Russians betray their homeland?


A few days ago, it became known about the detention by special services at the airport of the city of Krasnoyarsk of a native of Abakan, a certain Igor Pokusin, who intended to join the Armed Forces of Ukraine to participate in the war against Russia. The fact that the FSB is on guard is very pleasing, but the question arises, what prompts ordinary people to give up everything, ruin their lives and betray their homeland?


Stories of betrayal


Yes, let's say right away that going over to Ukraine and joining the Armed Forces of Ukraine is a very serious criminal offense. Article 275 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (“High treason”) was recently supplemented with new wording and now reads as follows:

High treason, that is, espionage committed by a citizen of the Russian Federation, the issuance to a foreign state, an international or foreign organization or their representatives of information constituting a state secret, entrusted to a person or becoming known to him through service, work, study or in other cases provided for by the legislation of the Russian Federation, going over to the side of the enemy or providing financial, materialtechnical, advisory or other assistance to a foreign state, international or foreign organization or their representatives in activities directed against the security of the Russian Federation.

In accordance with Note 1 to this article, "going over to the enemy" is defined as follows:

By going over to the side of the enemy in this article is understood the participation of a person in the composition of the forces (troops) of a foreign state, international or foreign organization directly opposing the Russian Federation in an armed conflict, military operations or other actions with the use of weapons and military equipment.

It is known about the anti-hero of our story, Pokusina, that he had previously had certain problems with the law. After his son was arrested for drug dealing, he tried for a long time to put pressure on the judiciary as a public figure, and when he lost, he committed an act of vandalism.

What exactly he was trying to achieve by joining the Armed Forces of Ukraine, let the investigation establish. However, we note that the person involved is not a boy at all, he is 60 years old, and he was born back in the USSR. In this he is very different from the other anti-hero of this publication.

A certain Vyacheslav Mamukov, a resident of the city of Khabarovsk, received 12,5 years in a strict regime colony under article 275 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation for trying to "bargain with the Motherland." According to the press service, after the start of the SVO, Mamukov, having official access to secret information about the transport infrastructure of the Russian Federation, decided to sell it to the Ukrainian special services to facilitate the commission of terrorist acts by them and contacted them himself via the Internet:

The court found Mamukov V. V. guilty of committing a crime under Article 275 of the Criminal Code of Russia (“Treason”), imposing a sentence of imprisonment for a period of 12 years and six months in a strict regime colony.

Fortunately, the operatives also did not doze off, and the traitor Mamukov, alas, will not go to the wall, but to places not so remote, where he will help the front by sewing warm clothes.

The story of the Russian-Ukrainian actor Anatoly Pashinin stands somewhat apart. Unlike the first two characters, he was very successful in his field not so long ago, he was very popular. Having everything that many others can only dream of, even before the Maidan, Pashinin began to express anti-government sentiments, sympathizing with the national democrats. After the coup d'état in Ukraine in 2014, he suddenly remembered that he was born in the Kirovograd region of the Ukrainian SSR, and left for Zaporozhye, where he actively supported the Euromaidan and the "total war" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass. The actor repeatedly visited the ATO zone in support of the Ukrainian army, but for some reason did not refuse the Russian passport. In 2017, it was reported that he was fighting against the NM LDNR as part of a nationalist battalion.

Subsequently, Anatoly Pashinin repeatedly criticized the already Ukrainian authorities and complained that his career in Nezalezhnaya was not going well for him. In one of the video messages, he, sighing heavily and making dramatic pauses, asked his subscribers for financial assistance. An extremely instructive story!

Against the background of these characters, Russian nationalists who went to fight in Ukraine through their own channels look really dangerous. Back in 2014, one of the domestic ideological nationalists named Roman Zheleznov, a former associate of the once infamous Sergei "Tesak" Martsinkevich, opened up about how Russians are being recruited through Azov (a terrorist organization banned in the Russian Federation):

I am in the ATO zone. We are receiving assistance, but I am not in a position to say how much it is being provided. Supported by volunteers. I am no longer in Kyiv, now I am a tourist in Urzuf, I look at the freezing sea, this is a resort place. I have a task to support certain people. Naturally, I practice with weapons: machine gun, pistol, AKM, AKS, different variations of Kalashnikov. Guys from Russia come: some on a whim, some I already knew. There are a couple of dozen Russians in Azov, and in total - two hundred ...

People come of their own accord. Everyone was invited a long time ago, back in May. I can say that there are no random people here. All fall strictly according to the recommendation. And not so that an abstract person would take it and come.

Unfortunately, some Russian radical nationalists did fight and are still fighting in the ranks of this Ukrainian terrorist group. How they get along with the Ukrainians is a big secret, but the fact remains.

Such people, ideological, trained, with blood on their shoulders, can pose a real danger to the internal stability of Russia itself if they can return back from Ukraine and start subversive activities.
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  1. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
    ivan2022 (ivan2022) 16 December 2022 16: 28
    +9
    Traitors have been and always will be. Even with Christ, out of only 12 apostles, one was a traitor. I wonder why they shouldn't be?

    The point is not the presence of traitors, but the ability of society to fight them.
    If society is not capable, it is the end. As well as a lid to an organism that is not able to fight infection. This means that the body is worthless, and not traitors at all - they are special.
  2. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 16 December 2022 16: 33
    +5
    There are intelligence services, prosecutors, the Investigative Committee, etc. of the Russian Federation, everyone must identify all traitors, not only Russian ones, and put them on trial (in absentia) under the articles of the state. betrayal, etc.. Notify parents, family, relatives about this - let them know the shame of traitors. To stop betrayal in the bud, and the death penalty for those who especially distinguished themselves needs to be restored.
  3. Alex D Offline Alex D
    Alex D (Alex D) 16 December 2022 16: 37
    +14
    Probably because the annual export from Russia is 500 billion US dollars, and there are also bank payments, etc. At the same time, average salaries in Russia are similar to salaries in Asia. I want to eat and sleep in warmth without fear for myself and my family, and not live in a semi-slave position. Those who sell Russia to the population unfasten at best 10% of what they earn, and the country is in a semi-colonial position because of these compradors and kleptocrats in power.
    1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 16 December 2022 19: 01
      -4
      What are you doing with money?
      1. sat2004 Offline sat2004
        sat2004 16 December 2022 19: 19
        +10
        In 2014 Crimea was annexed to Russia. This is spelled out in the Constitution of the Russian Federation. And when did the Savings Bank start working there?
        1. Sergei Fonov Offline Sergei Fonov
          Sergei Fonov (sergey fonov) 17 December 2022 17: 37
          0
          The constitution is a theory if you want a poster written on the facade of a building, and life is a practice that often takes place in the backyard. This happens everywhere, in all countries, the only difference is how big the gap between the declared and reality is.
      2. calligrapher Lev_Nikolaevich (Dmitriy) 17 December 2022 01: 12
        +1
        Yes, he just has a prepared form, so he pops it into all topics.
        The message is simple - they sold you, and filled their pans with the proceeds. Therefore, put your empty pots on your head, and march on the Maidan!
      3. kot711 Offline kot711
        kot711 (vov) 17 December 2022 10: 15
        +2
        Why are you measuring everything with money?
        It is not we who measure it, but the regime that is now in power.
        1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
          k7k8 (vic) 17 December 2022 12: 35
          -3
          Personally, what's stopping you from "lying"? Please do not mention high matters.
          1. kot711 Offline kot711
            kot711 (vov) 17 December 2022 18: 45
            0
            We are lying, you address this to the leaders of the country.
      4. Vox_Populi Offline Vox_Populi
        Vox_Populi (vox populi) 17 December 2022 13: 57
        +1
        Dear k7k8 (vic)!
        And if without hypocrisy?! Of course, you can’t measure everything with money, but with a system built on the cult of profit (hmm ... maximum welfare), your comment looks strange ... winked
        1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
          k7k8 (vic) 18 December 2022 12: 19
          0
          Quote from: Vox_Populi
          your comment looks weird...

          Not at all. The author of the post measures EVERYTHING with money, which is what he was told to do. In my post, I did not at all deny the material component of our existence, without belittling the ideological and spiritual. According to the author’s logic, the Soviet people had to raise their paws uphill as early as June 22, 1941, based on the material component of our life (after all, even then scant information was leaking into the USSR that something was wrong with our level of material well-being), but that didn't happen.
      5. Little Muck_2 Offline Little Muck_2
        Little Muck_2 (Little Muck) 18 December 2022 00: 45
        +3
        Quote: k7k8
        What are you doing with money?

        Because spiritual food cannot feed children.
        1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
          k7k8 (vic) 18 December 2022 12: 21
          +3
          Quote: Little Muk_2
          Because spiritual food cannot feed children.

          Yes, but without spiritual food for children, you will end your life at best in a social security nursing home.
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 18 December 2022 16: 08
      0
      Aleks, 13 pluses, only traitors to the Motherland could put you for your words!
  4. BMP-2 Offline BMP-2
    BMP-2 (Vladimir V.) 16 December 2022 17: 51
    +19
    This is a small fry. The real traitors are in the upper echelons of power, with their "goodwill gestures" and deals with the Nazis...
    1. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 18 December 2022 14: 56
      +2
      They are embarrassed to write about traitors at the top, it will already be possible to say after a very long time, but in fact it is so. As a child, I still remember this, the children played and screamed - the thief ran there, although they themselves were thieves. The main thing for a high-seated thief is to divert suspicion from himself by substituting the one whom they robbed. They robbed the country, and the people are to blame. After all, the people knew that thieves ruled, why they voted for thieves.
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    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 18 December 2022 16: 14
      0
      BMP, I repeat what I said to Alex - only traitors to the Motherland could give you 20 pluses!
      1. BMP-2 Offline BMP-2
        BMP-2 (Vladimir V.) 18 December 2022 21: 49
        +1
        My homeland is the USSR. And yours?
        1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 19 December 2022 21: 31
          0
          BMP if I say that my homeland is Russia, will this change the concepts of the USSR and the Russian Federation, Rus' or the Russian Empire?
          1. BMP-2 Offline BMP-2
            BMP-2 (Vladimir V.) 20 December 2022 11: 10
            +1
            The concept will not change. It will only change the idea of ​​who to consider a traitor and a traitor of what.
  5. nikanikolich Offline nikanikolich
    nikanikolich (nikola) 16 December 2022 17: 56
    +8
    it's not about traitors, it's about the country (system and ideology) generating traitors. A traitor is just an ulcer on the body of the state, and if there is an ulcer, then the state is sick and needs to be "treated".
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 17 December 2022 02: 08
      0
      Quote from nikanikolich
      it needs to be "treated".

      In general, it must be written together. But the question of course is how to treat? The guillotine is not the best cure for a headache.
      1. zenion Offline zenion
        zenion (zinovy) 18 December 2022 15: 00
        0
        The guillotine is excellent for dandruff and baldness. Both are treated at the same time.
        1. guest Offline guest
          guest 18 December 2022 15: 21
          0
          For individual individuals, of course, it heals, but for the entire state it is unlikely.
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 19 December 2022 21: 51
      -1
      Pikanikolish means that (the system and ideology) the country breeds traitors. And if so, then everyone in this country should be traitors, which means there is simply no concept of a traitor, since the question arises - who betrayed the whole country of traitors? And will the whole country allow itself to be treated for betrayal (of whom and what) to anyone at all? Did you understand what you wrote? I just translated your thought into Russian.
  6. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Leopold) 16 December 2022 18: 38
    0
    Interestingly, these traitors-ukrophiles switched to MOV or not? If we already abandon the Motherland, then on all fronts
  7. sat2004 Offline sat2004
    sat2004 16 December 2022 19: 00
    +1
    Because they live by the slogans: "money doesn't smell", "it's just business", "we don't leave our own". The Constitution of the Russian Federation, return to the minds of the Russians.
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 17 December 2022 02: 09
      +6
      Quote: sat2004
      The Constitution of the Russian Federation

      What is the constitution? If you are talking about the one that prohibits ideology and was written by national traitors, then there is no need for such a constitution.
      1. sat2004 Offline sat2004
        sat2004 17 December 2022 12: 01
        +1
        There is no other Constitution of the Russian Federation. There are slogans. The President of the Russian Federation is the guarantor of the fulfillment of the rights, duties and freedoms of Russians. He took the oath. Any action
        officials, Russians against Russians, connected with the violation of rights, duties and freedoms, he is obliged to stop, and not the prosecutor, not the Ministry of Internal Affairs, not the State Duma, not the Federation Council, not the Bank of Russia, not the housing and communal services management company, but with their help. So it is written in the Constitution of the Russian Federation. He also receives a salary from the budget for this. Putin V.V., remember, after the accident at the mine, spoke out about the inaction of officials and owners: "they sit and wipe their pants." The statement about the absence of ideology is ludicrous. A state with a thousand-year history, a religion, cannot have an ideology, it would not have survived. Than the protection of your rights, duties and freedoms is not an ideology. The official did not answer your appeal, it is no longer YOU who should, but the President of the Russian Federation is obliged to provide you with an answer and solve your problem. This is what the Constitution requires. Read the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
        1. guest Offline guest
          guest 17 December 2022 15: 53
          +1
          Quote: sat2004
          A state with a thousand-year history, a religion cannot not have an ideology

          Maybe it can’t, but the fifth column that came to power in Russia after the collapse of the USSR entered, at the behest of Washington, a ban on ideology in the constitution.
          1. sat2004 Offline sat2004
            sat2004 17 December 2022 18: 17
            +1
            And to the music of the saxophone. But what happened as a result. The President of the Russian Federation is responsible for everything. Only he takes the oath. You need to describe the violation of your rights, duties and freedoms and report it to him. The President of the Russian Federation is obliged to eliminate them. No need to go to the courts and other instances. You are required to provide court orders.
            1. zenion Offline zenion
              zenion (zinovy) 18 December 2022 15: 07
              +1
              You don't need to go to court. You will be dragged there for violating something there that no one knew about, it was only published from afar, and you will be responsible for everything that was not done for you.
              1. sat2004 Offline sat2004
                sat2004 18 December 2022 18: 50
                0
                Rave. Who are you?
      2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 18 December 2022 16: 21
        -1
        guest, Constitution The country's Basic Law for which the entire population of the country voted! Our President is the guarantor of the Constitution. So, at your suggestion, our president is a national traitor? And the population of the whole country who voted for the Constitution are also national traitors? Are you sure you are writing about the Russian Constitution as a Russian and not a resident of another country?
        1. guest Offline guest
          guest 18 December 2022 18: 17
          +2
          Quote: Ignatov Oleg Georgievich
          is our president a national traitor?

          Which President? If the very first, then yes, a national traitor.

          Quote: Ignatov Oleg Georgievich
          You definitely write about the Russian Constitution

          Yes, I am writing about the constitution, which was adopted in the 90s and which has not yet been completely replaced.

          Quote: Ignatov Oleg Georgievich
          the population of the whole country who voted for the Constitution

          The population did not vote for the constitution, only for the changes made there.
          1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 19 December 2022 22: 06
            -2
            guest, At least the first president, at least anyone in a row, cannot be a national traitor, since the whole country elects him. So the country that elected the first president is a country of national traitors! Agree that, according to your logic, this is exactly the case.
            Why should it be changed? Do you want that? Appeal to the Constitutional Court and the case is over. What is the problem?
            Strange position. They didn’t vote for the Constitution (by the way, the Constitution is written with a capital letter, you probably had it in Russian - unsuccessful?) They didn’t vote, but only voted for the changes made there! So, we have two documents - one is called the Constitution, the other is called THERE?
            1. guest Offline guest
              guest 20 December 2022 00: 11
              +1
              Quote: Ignatov Oleg Georgievich
              the whole country chooses it.

              When did the country choose Yeltsin? Do not confuse a bunch of oligarchs with a country.
      3. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 19 December 2022 21: 55
        -1
        guest, I have already asked a thousand times those who are dissatisfied with the lack of an ideologist to voice it somehow. Nobody could. can you overcome this Rubicon? It's easier to caress with your tongue, don't you think? And as a specific case - in the bushes.
  8. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 16 December 2022 21: 43
    +11
    betray the motherland?

    Yes, the authorities are constantly engaged in this. State secret - yes, how much technology was transferred to the United States and China. Providing financial assistance - so here in general, "the field is not plowed." 350 billion dollars are just worth it, and as I understand it, money is still going to these same funds. I'm not talking about the collapse of the USSR, until now the main figures in the authorities are heroes. And all kinds of NGOs. The government turns a blind eye to them. In our country, any citizen can become a traitor, but not the authorities. The authorities call their betrayal a business, and Putin has forbidden the business to "kashmar".
    If we talk about a specific case, then this is because of hatred for their country and their people. We don’t have many people who call Russia a “rashka”, but the people .... you know. Allowing to perform without a coat of arms and an anthem, rewriting our history, covering the Mausoleum with plywood, how not to remember about galoshes. It’s just that these people have not yet crossed the line openly, but mentally they are also already ready !!
  9. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 16 December 2022 21: 44
    +8
    Their homeland was betrayed and killed thirty years ago. A vast homeland died by murder.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 19 December 2022 22: 47
      +1
      zenion, if you already state about the murder of the Motherland thirty years ago, then speak as it is - the USSR was betrayed and killed thirty years ago by the communists! A huge country - the USSR died by killing it by the communists. The people and the Party are united! The party decided, ruined the people remained where the legs grow from. The question is - why the hell do we need such a communist ideology (and the party that supports it) that the ideologists of this ideology, the communists, can betray? After all, everyone here who is outraged by the absence of an ideology in the Constitution does not mean any other that was, namely the communist one! Well, a few cones filled with new heads have grown which, without cones, by no means can you be completely happy!
  10. Local Offline Local
    Local (Vasiliy) 16 December 2022 21: 51
    +2
    On the other hand, before accusing people of betrayal, think about why they should love their "homeland"?
    For the fact that nothing belongs to us in this "homeland"?
    Or for how the "homeland" treats us?
    Yes, when it is necessary to hold a performance of "elections", then we are the "electorate".
    When we turn to the law enforcement agencies of the "motherland" - we are "tolerant" to whom it is enough to write a stupid and boorish reply.
    When we try to express our protest against what is happening to the "motherland", we are "extremists".
    When we need to be thrown out to die, we are "citizens of pre-retirement age."
    It is possible to list the attitude of the state towards citizens for a long time, each of them will give enough examples.
    Then you should not expect that people will be such a "homeland" - to be loyal and patriotic.
    For example, for this "homeland" under abrams and leopards, I'm not going to rush for any trinkets "hero of Russia" or a beggarly disability pension (if you're lucky to survive).
    1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
      steelmaker 16 December 2022 22: 22
      +5
      and why should they love their "homeland"?

      There is no need for power, to equate with the Motherland. You read the wrong books as a child.

      I found out that I have a huge family.
    2. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 16 December 2022 23: 52
      +1
      (Vasily) Yes, you have already prepared justifications for the betrayal of Russia, it remains for little. Temporary workers come and go, but Russia is eternal, and you want to betray it, and for the fact that some people stole a lot in Russia, and you didn’t get anything, there’s no descent for such a vile betrayal for material wealth !!! But your statements are more like a provocation of a wide independent ...
    3. guest Offline guest
      guest 17 December 2022 02: 11
      0
      Quote: Local
      and why should they love their "homeland"?

      Why love a mother? Especially if the mother is not the best.
      1. Sotskiy Offline Sotskiy
        Sotskiy (Michael) 17 December 2022 09: 49
        +4
        Why love a mother?

        So the "mother" is just loved simply because she was, but she was torn (true "patriots"?) into 15 parts.
        And now, for 30 years, they have been persistently slipping a "stepmother" pouring mud over their own "mother".
        Remember the country of "galoshes" from a particularly gifted "patriot". Is it that they love their own "mother"? wink
    4. Uncle Borya Offline Uncle Borya
      Uncle Borya (Uncle Borya) 17 December 2022 11: 10
      -2
      Shiry local resident Vasya, do not cling to the Russians. Your provocative statements will in no way hide your belonging to Tsipso, in which you work for a bowl of dumplings.
      1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 19 December 2022 22: 51
        +1
        Nah, Uncle Borya, you forgot about lace panties!
    5. sap Offline sap
      sap (Alex) 17 December 2022 22: 47
      -1
      (if you're lucky to survive).

      Yes, you are dead! And you stink while covering up your cowardice in life. Power is not the Motherland yet! The article is about traitors to the Motherland!
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  12. hlp5118 Offline hlp5118
    hlp5118 (hlp) 16 December 2022 22: 00
    +7
    You wanted capitalism, get it. Since the moment of the Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation, about 300-500 thousand have left, and mostly young people who probably did not want to serve. In the USSR, on average, 1-2 people were convicted of espionage and treason (this is for 256 million of a diverse population), and we have 15-17 people a year. And the revolutionary democrats who started this coup, themselves, or their children, have long been living abroad.
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  14. guest Offline guest
    guest 17 December 2022 00: 19
    +2
    Why do Russians betray their homeland?

    Because some Russians have been instilled with betrayal since childhood, there is even a Jewish center in Yekaterinburg where such betrayal is praised in every possible way.
  15. Adm Hts Offline Adm Hts
    Adm Hts (AdmHts) 17 December 2022 00: 19
    +5
    Why do Russians betray their homeland?

    First we need to define terms...
    I'm talking about "Motherland" ...
    here I have Putin, different Motherlands ...
    although we swore allegiance to one state ...
    I'm like a simple soldier, and he's like a KGB officer...
    I was not a member of the Communist Party and did not even aspire, but he was and still keeps the ticket in a safe, in his own words ...
    curious to know why...
    so why did he betray that homeland and swore allegiance to this one?
    and he is not the only one - the entire current top of the former ...
    some coups d'etat of the 91st and 93rd are worth something ...
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 17 December 2022 02: 13
      +1
      Quote from Adm Hts
      First we need to define terms...
      I'm talking about "Motherland" ...

      If you can't figure it out, then no one can help you with it.
      1. Adm Hts Offline Adm Hts
        Adm Hts (AdmHts) 17 December 2022 21: 39
        -1
        why did you decide that you need help ... :)
        Do not flatter yourself...
        I was talking about the term...
    2. Uncle Borya Offline Uncle Borya
      Uncle Borya (Uncle Borya) 17 December 2022 11: 15
      -3
      Quote from Adm Hts
      here I have Putin, different Motherlands ...

      Do you know how easy it is to figure out a Svidomite who is sinking under a Russian, exhausted by "bloody gebney"? He always writes the name of our president with a small letter.
      However, there is one more puncture - you are right, you and Putin have different Motherlands: you have Schenevmerlovka; Putin has a great and beautiful Russia.
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  16. prior Offline prior
    prior (Vlad) 17 December 2022 09: 49
    +5
    What a provocative question in the title of the article!

    High treason - involves treason to the State.
    Betrayal of the Motherland - involves treason to the Motherland.
    The title of the article mixed "wet" and "warm".
    The state is power, laws and their executors.
    Motherland is quite different.
    Both the "whites" and the "reds" had a single homeland.
    So which one is a traitor?
    So here, in order to condemn the betrayal of the State, we are substituted with treason to the Motherland.
    Those who fled from mobilization in Russia have betrayed the state.
    Ukrainians, who betrayed the faith, memory and language of their fathers, betrayed their Motherland without leaving it anywhere.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 18 December 2022 17: 29
      0
      prior, so is it a betrayal for the Motherland and the State, or ... without further ado, is it in any case a betrayal of the Motherland? Well, in pursuit - Can you name a Motherland without a State and a State without a Motherland? Well, or more simply - Can a body exist and function without a head, and can a head exist and function without a body?7
      1. prior Offline prior
        prior (Vlad) 19 December 2022 10: 17
        0
        Understand the essence of the concepts of "homeland" and "state" and everything will become clear to you yourself.
        Sincerely ...
        1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 19 December 2022 22: 57
          +1
          prior, but there is nothing to understand here the state, the Motherland, the Fatherland, the home of the eye, the family, all this is the Motherland! For the betrayal of which there is one punishment - a shameful death!
  17. Alex D Offline Alex D
    Alex D (Alex D) 17 December 2022 10: 04
    -4
    Quote: k7k8
    What are you doing with money?

    And why do the authorities close the people's meetings in Donetsk with dump trucks and ban St. George's ribbons?
  18. Uncle Borya Offline Uncle Borya
    Uncle Borya (Uncle Borya) 17 December 2022 11: 01
    +1
    The author, well, why do Russians betray their homeland?
  19. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 17 December 2022 11: 55
    +2
    there is no mystery here. For 30 years we have been educating the youth to be admirers of the way of life of the enemy and to worship him, and in many places in contempt for our Motherland. There have always been traitors, and under such conditions there can be few of them.
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 17 December 2022 21: 57
      +1
      This is the point.
  20. instrument Offline instrument
    instrument (xxx) 17 December 2022 11: 57
    +4
    for thirty years, the authorities spat on the people, various NGOs decomposed, in kindergartens, schools, universities there was completely no patriotic, and indeed any,
    education and pro-Russian propaganda, on the contrary: most universities are carriers of liberal, pro-Western propaganda, and against the background of all this, it’s a little stupid to ask the question of betrayal, and the number of those caught is simply ridiculous compared to those who are ready for it or not caught.
  21. Maxim A Offline Maxim A
    Maxim A (Maksim) 17 December 2022 13: 37
    +5
    In a capitalist society, everything has its price. Isn't that how they've been taught for the last 30 years? And what is the Motherland was not taught. And if you didn’t teach and didn’t explain, then if you please, get it for inexpensive. And who are the teachers? Everything was as taught - he stole it, took him abroad, bought a yacht or dad in the civil service, his mother is harmless and the son is a talented young minister, the hope of a country with another citizenship, just in case. In general, the boys went to success. It didn't go wrong. What we sow, we reap. There is nothing to reap - it rotted in the fields ....
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 17 December 2022 21: 59
      +1
      Quote: Maxim A
      And who are the teachers?

      Any edelmans.
  22. Antor Offline Antor
    Antor 17 December 2022 13: 53
    0
    We built, trying to fit into the Western world, up to the desire to join NATO, opened all the doors for Western morality, culture ... raising generations with a consumerist attitude to life, where everything is decided by how much dough you have, making 10% the owners of everything and all ... and the rest I don’t even want to voice who.!!! And what do we want - total patriotism and loyalty to the Motherland in protecting it on the battlefield !!??
    Those who rushed out of Russia do not give a damn about it, their own skin and their loot are dearer to them, and Western enemies are closer to them than our liberal traitors from the Yeltsin era, who still feel great now, slowing down everything and everyone with their lies, embezzlement, cowardice and worship is still before Western values. Pashinin and others like him - deprivation of citizenship at least, by all by a court decision, up to and including the death penalty.
  23. seditious Offline seditious
    seditious (Andrei) 17 December 2022 13: 59
    -1
    I will never believe about Russian nationalists in Azov. Cheap FSB bullshit designed for narrow-minded idiots. For 20 years they fought with the Russians in Russia by all means. Now they are trying to build "like Russians" from themselves. For those who have a girl's memory, this will fail. And now everything can be blamed on Tesak, you strangled him in custody. He hanged himself - yeah, yeah, I believe.
  24. Mordvin 3 Offline Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 (Vladimir) 17 December 2022 14: 33
    +2
    And citizen Chubais is a secret bearer, or what?
  25. Rinat Offline Rinat
    Rinat (Rinat) 17 December 2022 16: 45
    -1
    To the question in the title. Why do some betray ....... Because there is no official ideology, it was replaced by liberal-fag-rastic ones, where you can sell everything where there is nothing sacred.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 19 December 2022 23: 04
      0
      Rinat, because for some, the Motherland is the Maxim of their meaning of life and they do not need to be reminded of this. Others need a reminder from the Criminal Code - Treason to the motherland is punishable by death!
  26. Luis Betton Offline Luis Betton
    Luis Betton (Vladimir) 17 December 2022 16: 54
    0
    Only the death penalty will sober up from betrayal, because the damage from this will be in the form of the deaths of our soldiers and civilians.
    1. nikanikolich Offline nikanikolich
      nikanikolich (nikola) 17 December 2022 19: 15
      0
      Well, yes, and castration will help. Only to whom? Think, think, think........
      1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 19 December 2022 23: 06
        0
        Whoever suggested it and wants to experience it for themselves!
  27. Ilya Zyuzin Offline Ilya Zyuzin
    Ilya Zyuzin (Ilya Zyuzin) 17 December 2022 19: 02
    -1
    Russian nationalists are fighting against Russia? It looks like a stone thrown by the author into the nationalist movement in Russia.
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 17 December 2022 22: 10
      0
      Quote: Ilya Zyuzin
      Russian nationalists are fighting against Russia?

      Yes, Vlasov and other followers of Navalny are fighting against Russia.
      1. Ilya Zyuzin Offline Ilya Zyuzin
        Ilya Zyuzin (Ilya Zyuzin) 20 December 2022 17: 01
        0
        It is clear that in the highest sense the enemies of Russia, but I thought that those who populate our expanses with Asians are enemies. Excuse me.
        1. guest Offline guest
          guest 20 December 2022 21: 25
          0
          Quote: Ilya Zyuzin
          populates our expanses with Asians

          Is it better to populate cities with gay people?
          1. Ilya Zyuzin Offline Ilya Zyuzin
            Ilya Zyuzin (Ilya Zyuzin) 21 December 2022 20: 47
            0
            Make conditions and give birth yourself, and you can settle a family of Uzbeks in your dacha.
            1. guest Offline guest
              guest 21 December 2022 23: 08
              0
              At your dacha or somewhere else, they sat down whoever you want, but don’t tell me.
    2. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
      ivan2022 (ivan2022) 17 December 2022 23: 22
      0
      Ukrainian nationalists are fighting against Ukraine, the Germans fought against Germany for Hitler, the Russians in the Civil Army created armies in the territories occupied by foreign states and fought against the Russian state.
  28. nikanikolich Offline nikanikolich
    nikanikolich (nikola) 17 December 2022 19: 13
    +3
    Look at the root-WHY. At the moment, we live in an understatement, where money is important and not the contribution of human labor to the image of the country. Therefore, we are betraying, but we are not betraying the state, we are betraying the hucksters standing at the helm of this state. I think in this case there should be no offense - you do not pay us, we do not serve you. It's all fair enough. I sell my work, not your Wishlist, and if you do not appreciate my work, then this is not my problem, this is your problem, I sell to those who pay more, you aspired to this, why then such a rejection of the capitalist world order? What is the problem?
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 19 December 2022 23: 08
      -2
      nikani... so you already found an excuse for your betrayal? Dashing!
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  31. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 18 December 2022 00: 39
    -1
    People see that the Son of one Sleeper was sitting in Omerik until they forcibly pushed him out .... and immediately entered the core, straight from Omerik ..
    In Edre, in the Duma, Omerovskaya swindler, straight with Omerovskiy money (according to tax reporting)
    Effective state oligarchs sell oil to NATO (under joyful media articles), they make solarium and gasoline from it, and back to Ukraine, for APU tanks and armored vehicles ....
    Etc.

    And Russia did not recognize the LDNR until 2022, that is, officially they were for it - Ukrainian separatists ... so whoever, what's there - they simply turned a blind eye to breaking the law ...
    1. sat2004 Offline sat2004
      sat2004 18 December 2022 01: 12
      +1
      Intelligence reported 2022, tomorrow there will be a war, partners are ready to fight with Russia. Yes, it can’t be, we discussed Minsk2 the whole night earlier. We are the guarantors. Today Serbia reminded us of the lessons of its history.
      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 18 December 2022 11: 20
        0
        Confused and contrary to facts
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  33. Ivan Ivanych 68743684 (Sergei) 18 December 2022 10: 37
    +1
    people betray because so many officials of a fairly high rank often turn out to be traitors, because of the constant lies, people see all the abomination that has dug in in government offices, and they see the inaction of the authorities in relation to these traitors, so many have stopped believing in this state, there are those who betray only for material reasons
    1. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
      ivan2022 (ivan2022) 18 December 2022 10: 49
      0
      For some reason, people do not see only that it is in a society like them that there are no chances for people worthy to become leaders.

      Therefore, it is not necessary to betray, if it is possible to foresee. Only fools betray. It is understandable, but they need something to compensate for stupidity ...
  34. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 18 December 2022 17: 13
    -2
    Who is or is not a traitor to the Motherland can be said only by a court decision in accordance with the articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. The court absolutely does not care what views a person has, his inclinations, which party he belongs to, in short, nothing at all. The fact of treason has been proven and punishment will overtake anyone!
    1. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
      ivan2022 (ivan2022) 19 December 2022 22: 00
      +1
      Please. Resolution of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation on Yeltsin's illegal actions regarding the All-Russian Congress of People's Deputies in 1993.

      Decree of the State Duma of the Russian Federation of March 15, 1996 on the illegitimacy of the Bialowieza Treaty and the signs of a crime under the article of the Criminal Code on treason in the actions of Yeltsin ...

      Outcome? Election of Yeltsin as President for a second term.

      What the hell "punishment will overtake"? Wake up, you live in Russia.... Rather, God's punishment will overtake us all and already... At least this is fair.
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  36. Peter rybak Offline Peter rybak
    Peter rybak (Patrol) 20 December 2022 20: 57
    0
    So why is that?
  37. Yaroslav the Wise (Yaroslav the Wise) 21 December 2022 12: 56
    +1
    Yes, the answer lies on the surface! You just need to stop, look around and everything will be clear. Why do people take the side of the enemy and become traitors, you ask? Because the state does not care about its citizens!!! And those who understand this naturally want to somehow annoy this state. By the way, this applies not only to Russia. Where the state does nothing for the majority, where only those laws are adopted that are beneficial to the aligars, in such a state there will always be those who are not satisfied with this.