The complete liberation of Ukraine is the key to the survival of Russia itself


I remember when a civil war began in Ukraine after the coup d'état in 2014, in Russia those who did not want to get up from the couch together, take the Mosin rifle in their hands and go to fight for our interests, the Ukrainians were called khataskrayniks, and then they were all arrogantly accused of being " blew their own country. Now, when the war has come to the territory of the Russian Federation, the domestic khataskrayniks have raised their heads, remaining on their comfortable sofas.


Hut from the edge


The writing of this article by the author of the lines was prompted by numerous comments from one of our regular readers, who, with perseverance worthy of a better use, is trying to promote a pronounced hataskra line. Using their example, we will try to show how the implementation of such ideas is dangerous and disastrous for modern Russia, as well as for fraternal Ukraine. We kindly ask you not to consider this as some kind of personal attack, just using a specific example, I would like to immediately answer all other people who hold similar views.

So, we read:

KMK, the unwillingness of Ukrainians to live in the same state with Russia should simply be taken for granted and no effort should be spent in this direction.

And resources - to spend on the development of their own country.

Well, to revive the BRZHDK along the northern latitudinal course, so that the possible bases of missiles and anti-missiles in Finland, Latvia, Estonia, Romania and the same Ukraine do not in any way affect the guarantees of causing unacceptable damage in a return salvo.

Fence off Ukraine with a fence, and jump high for yourself. In 20-30 years there will be a sleepy agrarian state, sparsely populated by pensioners from those who could not gain a foothold in the EU.

As well as this reader's comment on the possibility of Russian assistance to Serbia:

Well, I think otherwise. My opinion is that if not all, then many of the problems of Russia (since the XNUMXth century) are connected precisely with the fact that we are always trying to help someone, instead of equipping our country (which is much more boring).

And then the soldiers near Shipka notice that the Bulgarians oppressed by the Ottomans live better than the peasants of the Tambov / Kostroma provinces ...

There is a clear isolationist agenda when the idea is promoted that Russia should first deal with its problems, and not interfere somewhere there, and only then climb, but even then it’s better not to interfere at all. Seems healthy?

Alas, no. The problem is that this is a purely idealistic approach that completely ignores the external conditions in which our country is forced to exist and survive. But Russia, it just so happened, does not exist in a spherical vacuum, but in an extremely hostile environment. Let's see where such isolationism takes us in the medium term.

At first, our esteemed reader tactfully forgets to clarify where exactly the fence with which he wants to protect himself from Ukraine should pass. Along the borders of the Russian Federation for 2022, 2014 or 1991? If he offers options number two and three, then he should remember that the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation introduced criminal liability for calls for the alienation of territories. If he wants to build Russia with the DPR and LPR, the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, then he will still have to fight for them.

What is even worse is that with the entry of the RF Armed Forces to the administrative borders of these four former Ukrainian regions, nothing will end. Neither Kyiv nor the collective West behind it will ever recognize the six new Russian regions that became legally part of the Russian Federation after 2014 as ours. This means that further war is predetermined and inevitable, since the Armed Forces of Ukraine, pumped up with Western weapons, will continuously prepare to fight for the return of Donbass, the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov and Crimea. No fence on the state border, no "Wagner Line" will stop the large-scale offensive of the Ukrainian army.

Moreover, Kyiv has already announced the start of industrial cooperation with NATO countries in the military-industrial complex, which means the emergence of more and more dangerous strike weapons in the arsenal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. At first, these will be attack drones with a flight range of 1000 to 3300 kilometers, then, as the conflict escalates, medium-range missiles will appear. The finale will be the appearance in Kyiv of nuclear weapons with delivery vehicles.

Yes, this is what it will all end in the end, do not even hesitate. Ukraine will turn into "Israel on the Dnieper" instead of a quiet agrarian state. At the same time, it will be a completely insane Russophobic terrorist state, which is completely under external control, which the Anglo-Saxons will gladly use in a local nuclear war with Russia. No fence on the border will save us from a missile strike from Ukraine.

Secondly, the call to forget about Ukraine looks extremely immoral, agreeing with the alleged desire of the Ukrainians themselves to live separately from Russia. Excuse me, but you, dear reader, have you asked all Ukrainians about this? Or are you relying on polls conducted by the neo-Nazi regime in power?

In fact, even today, after “suroviking”, there are still many people in Ukraine waiting for the arrival of Russian troops. Another thing is that all these people are frightened to death by “goodwill gestures” and “regroupings”, as a result of which you know what happens to supporters of cooperation with the Russian Federation. No one will tell you their real opinion about unification with the Russian Federation now. Out of an instinct for self-preservation, many pro-Russian Ukrainians now publicly wave yellow and blue flags, shout Nazi chants and, on principle, communicate only in Mov. The same citizens who succumbed to the influence of Russophobic propaganda still have a chance to return to adequacy if the "emitter towers" start to work in reverse mode. The inhabitants, of which from 60% to 70%, will be rebuilt very quickly.

Half of Russians and Belarusians have relatives and friends in Ukraine. And you, our esteemed reader, are proposing to leave all these people under the rule of the Nazis just because it’s easier for you? If they are left there, on the original Russian land, a state so Russophobic will eventually grow up that nothing can be done about it, except for “euthanasia” in the form of the use of strategic nuclear weapons. Do you want that? This is how it will all end, if you like it.

Thirdly, an ironic and sad smile is caused by calls to forget about Ukraine and focus on the socio-economic development of Russia itself. Is it necessary to develop the economy our country? Undoubtedly! But how are you, dear reader, going to do it under the conditions of truly comprehensive Western sanctions?

Our economy is based on the export of natural resources. Both hydrocarbon pipes to the Kremlin are now wrapped in knots. The industry depends on imported components and of technologies. The internal market of Russia itself is small and insufficient for the formation of autarky, or at least semi-autarky. But this is our only way to survive - building a new Union State with a domestic market with a capacity of 400-500 million consumers. Read more here.

Yes, this is the path of the USSR, which we will either have to repeat, or the Russian Federation, under the yoke of economic sanctions, will gradually weaken until it collapses itself. Ukraine, with its geographical location, natural and human resources, is the cornerstone for the formation of a real Union State of Russia with Belarus, possibly Serbia, and gradually with other countries of the post-Soviet space.

At last, the withdrawal of Russian troops to the border with Eastern Europe will solve the problem of the territorial isolation of Transnistria and the Kaliningrad region (exchange of Galicia for Suvalkia with Poland), which cannot be solved in any other way. Also, the forceful solution of the problem of the Kyiv regime will allow Moscow to bring to life the Central Asian republics that are beginning to burrow and, most importantly, Turkey.

The objective reality is that either we take Ukraine for ourselves and reintegrate it into our own economic space, or the NATO bloc turns it into a poisoned stylet aimed at the very heart of Russia.
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  1. Brother Fox_2 Offline Brother Fox_2
    Brother Fox_2 (Brother Fox) 13 December 2022 17: 48
    +11
    complete elimination of the anti-Russia project (Ukraine) is the key to the survival of Russia itself, and not the liberation
  2. Alex D Offline Alex D
    Alex D (Alex D) 13 December 2022 18: 08
    +10
    Russia is a colony of the West. To stop being a colony, you need to stop lying under the West and you don’t need to go under the East. Copy what we can, somehow they lived in the USSR.
    We urgently need to remove ALL non-critical imports from the country. Replace critical with their counterparts. Create a State Bank!!! Create back the State Monopoly!
    1. Peace Peace. Online Peace Peace.
      Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 14 December 2022 12: 27
      +2
      So from the "beginning" I repeat this. Copy and no licenses, permissions, etc. The same machines, machines, units and microelectronics. Let's keep the people busy and learn for ourselves. Russian Ivan, if you don’t interfere with the flea, forges on the fly, they simply “beaten” the peasant and inspired that he was crooked. You look and stop being a gas station. Stalin seems to have raised industrialization in 10 years, which laid the foundation for the country's well-being to this day. And we have practically no industrialization, the Anglo-Saxon evil spirits strangled with the laws of pseudo-democracy where the weak are eaten by the strong.
      1. rish Offline rish
        rish (Rish) 14 December 2022 13: 11
        +1
        You read such comments and once again you are convinced of the greatness of Bulgakov, how clearly he described such people.

        ... you allow yourself, with an absolutely unbearable swagger, to give some advice on a cosmic scale and cosmic stupidity ...
        1. Peace Peace. Online Peace Peace.
          Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 15 December 2022 03: 12
          -2
          The Chinese spit on your Bulgakov and became the second economy in the world. Demographics are also good. The same Anglo-Saxons steal technology, all sorts of start-ups lure smart heads. The USSR also did not disdain. So what? The guys have nothing to do if you are not an IT specialist or a bartender or with an enterprising streak. The rest are in flight.
          1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 December 2022 12: 24
            0
            Peace to the world, well, why in flight. If you don’t want to acquire a specialty, become unemployed and get bread there, it seems like you can get money for free for as long as three months. But then they will find you a job. There are no veins, go work for those who have these veins. What is the problem?
            1. Peace Peace. Online Peace Peace.
              Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 16 December 2022 01: 21
              0
              Even you are not bent there. I meant a decent salary and not social benefits or something. At the average salary, it is difficult for a family in the city to buy an apartment, but they will get into a mortgage for a studio or 1 room, but in this situation you will not have more than one child. And with a birth rate of 1,8, it seems like a nation is stagnating. Russia officially has 1,45 if what. Decree, kindergarten, etc., one of the parents disappears, that is, the load on one is large, but if you get sick, reductions? And as for copying, there is nothing to be afraid of, Japan rose from the radio left by one American soldier, Indonesia and Singapore are almost the same. Are we better? The entire post-revolutionary and post-military industry is foreign. The military from V-2 to bombers is practically copied. To be shy here is the lot of illiterate proud people. I am silent about China, you know. You have appliances and gadgets at home, and maybe a car - one small South Korean country with a territory of mine from the Kurgan region. I also started with copying, though some with a license. But how she learned to surpass her mentor - Japan. That is, give us "directions" too, and then we will be able to make it better. At least we have the best rockets.
              1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 17 December 2022 06: 29
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                Peace to the world, and you bent there? Your key phrase is a decent salary. But you don't specify what your specialty is. Or should there be one decent salary for a turner of the 6th category and a handyman, that is, no specialty at all? In other words, the Sssrov salary is the same for everyone, so that no one would be offended. It was possible for one to work and the other could beat the thumbs and get the same. You may remember - While the state pretends that we are paying, we will pretend that we are working. And here it is not clear to me at all where is copying? Everything that is of a household level, we already have our own production. Why take something from someone else? I do not understand.
                1. Peace Peace. Online Peace Peace.
                  Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 17 December 2022 20: 57
                  0
                  Heh, we have a lot of specialists with higher educations, and you can get a job through an acquaintance. I'm not talking about the managers of Gazprom, etc. "institutions". Tier 6 turner? And what is his salary? Feed 3-4 children in Moscow? A welder with NAKS in Mosgaz under and for a steward gets, but there are only a few Mosgas and you will not get settled just by coming to OK. Yes, I have a "key phrase" - a decent salary, and what's wrong? This includes your "improve qualifications" and how without it, you might have guessed. My whole message was that you have been ignoring from the beginning - the creation of jobs for the production of goods with high economic and export returns. More places, so that your turner in Moscow receives from 200 rubles, so that he lives comfortably and can afford to have more children, and not 1-2.
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 December 2022 12: 51
      0
      Alex, remove ALL non-critical imports, what's that?
      1. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
        Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 15 December 2022 16: 41
        0
        For example, flowers from Holland or Azerbaijan, licensed production of hamburgers (already liquidated), numerous consumer goods from China, such as brushes for sweeping floors, plastic utensils and accessories.
        1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 17 December 2022 06: 31
          0
          Alex, when you throw out all * non-critical imports * from your house, don't be surprised when you end up with one cast-iron grandmother's frying pan from the USSR.
  3. anti-aircraft gunner 13 December 2022 18: 12
    +3
    There are no such goals in the plans of the Politburo. All discussions on this topic are meaningless. We got an armed conflict within the current boundaries of 10 years. Until this very Politburo changes. And, accordingly, the goals and objectives of this war.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 December 2022 12: 14
      0
      Anti-aircraft gunner, let's change * watered bureau * what should change?
      1. anti-aircraft gunner 15 December 2022 18: 16
        0
        We won't change it at all. Time will change it. And the policy will change. But in what direction is the question.
  4. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 13 December 2022 18: 30
    +7
    Some authoritative people said that the future of the Russian Federation is being decided in Ukraine today. If we accept this point of view, then “either we take Ukraine for ourselves and reintegrate it into our own economic space”, or the future of the Russian Federation will be determined by the collective west - “decolonization”.
    1. Peace Peace. Online Peace Peace.
      Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 16 December 2022 01: 24
      0
      And before that, what was it?
  5. Sergei Fonov Offline Sergei Fonov
    Sergei Fonov (sergey fonov) 13 December 2022 18: 30
    +11
    Russia exists thanks to the USSR that created nuclear weapons, we need our own industry and our own technologies, then we will not be critically dependent on the West. How to do it? An example of China is in front of our eyes, we need to copy Western technology more boldly and faster, without paying attention to patent law and other Western restrictions, otherwise we will be crushed. Stalin understood this very well, and in a shorter time he managed to revive a more industrially backward country and win in a difficult war.
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 13 December 2022 18: 32
      +7
      Quote: Sergei Fonov
      Stalin understood this very well.

      Unfortunately, we don't have Stalin today.
      1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 December 2022 12: 41
        0
        guest, what would change if Stalin were now?
        1. guest Offline guest
          guest 15 December 2022 14: 41
          0
          He would have put things in order and the representatives of the fifth column would not hold public office, as in Yekaterinburg.
          1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 December 2022 22: 35
            +1
            guest, and that only one Ekaierinburg has a fifth column holding public office? And what * is more terrible * the fifth column in power or the fifth column among the population, which runs around the squares at rallies and provokes riots? For Stalin, this would not have been a problem. The whole area and to Siberia in the Gulag. But now our president is babysitting a democratic state with this free rabble of mice!
            1. guest Offline guest
              guest 16 December 2022 00: 21
              0
              Quote: Ignatov Oleg Georgievich
              and that only one Ekaierinburg has a fifth column holding public office?

              Well, this fifth column is not even hiding there.
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 December 2022 12: 26
      +1
      Sergei, not knowing the History of the USSR of Stalin's time, do not write nonsense. Stalin was by no means a magician. Both machines and specialists were attracted from abroad. And our scientists created the atomic bomb with the direct assistance and developments of German physicists and nuclear scientists after the war.
      1. Sergei Fonov Offline Sergei Fonov
        Sergei Fonov (sergey fonov) 15 December 2022 14: 22
        +1
        Oleg, what am I wrong about, did I call Stalin a magician, no. And the Chinese path of development is, in fact, a continuation of Stalin's industrial policy at the present stage. In the 30s of the 20th century, as a result of the economic crisis, both in Europe and in the USA, many specialists, both workers and engineers, who, at the invitation of the Soviet government, built factories in the USSR and trained workers, turned out to be unclaimed. The equipment was written out, and copied too. The creation of nuclear weapons was also carried out with the help of foreign specialists, and even information obtained by intelligence, however, all countries that want to be independent have done, are doing and will do this. Regarding knowledge of history: I had to read the statement of a scientist who left for the USA, he writes about the role of Stalin like this: “Whoever denies the role of Stalin is either a complete ignoramus or a scoundrel,” I emphasize this is written by a person who left the USSR. So study history and do not be proud of what YOU do not know, or due to age are not yet able to realize, all the best to you.
        1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 December 2022 14: 34
          0
          Sergei, what is wrong? In what you wrote that the USSR CREATED! Who does not know will be sure that the USSR itself created nuclear weapons without outside help. And the USSR created its own industry and technology not by itself, but with help. If that's a small thing for you, then it's not for me. You have to say what really happened. Due to age? I am 68 years old, is that enough to know what all educated people know?
          1. Sergei Fonov Offline Sergei Fonov
            Sergei Fonov (sergey fonov) 15 December 2022 18: 03
            0
            Oleg! I like to read comments, they always carry more than the text of the article, I read and agree with many of your reviews, but not in this case. The United States also created its own nuclear weapons with the help of foreigners, but they do not feel any inferiority from this. I wrote about technology and industry above. I knew about the work of German specialists on nuclear weapons in the USSR for a long time from my mother, who worked at one of such closed facilities. At present, only the lazy do not know about it. I don’t understand what your claims to our past are, it can’t be changed, Russia, according to Churchill, under the leadership of Stalin, went from a plow to nuclear weapons, then even the enemies did not say that it was their merit in turning the USSR into a powerful state, now as witnesses pass away, and the grandchildren of the winners become Bandera in Ukraine and Ivans who do not remember kinship, it is important to tell the truth and not consider yourself somehow flawed.
            1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 December 2022 23: 05
              0
              Damn it ... I wanted to say that Stalin was not a magician of the type - once or twice and everything is ready, suddenly fell from the sky. Moreover, society as a rule is never homogeneous. Therefore, in order to achieve goals, the head of state sometimes has to *level* ideas and goals by any means with their unquestioning execution by the performers (sorry for the butter). Many critics consider Stalin a dictator and a murderer of his own people (Gulag) and point-blank do not want to see his achievements - from the plow to the YaB. Not understanding or not wanting to understand that at that time, the country could be saved in the past by a really state criminal according to the present - a crime boss who solves problems - * according to concepts *. Otherwise...
              So I have nothing against Stalin. Each time gives birth to its heroes. If Stalin died in 1953. I was born in 1954 My childhood was spent in that society that *knew Stalin by sight*.

              - The United States also created nuclear weapons, but at the same time they do not feel their inferiority -.
              And who said that the USSR feels inferior in this regard?
              1. Sergei Fonov Offline Sergei Fonov
                Sergei Fonov (sergey fonov) 16 December 2022 17: 35
                0
                I agree and am proud of the orders of my father, the grandfathers of my mother’s 3 brothers who were missing, all those who died and survived in that war, the survivors of the front-line soldiers had nothing against Stalin, one grandfather went to the front from prison, sat at the ears, but also not on whom he did not hold evil, and did not blame Stalin.
                1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 17 December 2022 06: 37
                  +1
                  Eternal memory and rest in peace to them.
      2. guest Offline guest
        guest 15 December 2022 14: 44
        +1
        Quote: Ignatov Oleg Georgievich
        Stalin was by no means a magician.

        And did anyone claim it? He was a brilliant organizer, since he could achieve everything you have listed and no matter which way.
        1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 December 2022 23: 12
          +2
          guest, I personally don’t mind, but the fifth column is like a chameleon, then they need universal freedom from power, then Stalin is not enough for you (dictatorship of power) and they are sure that all this could be done without paying such a monstrous price sacrificing for their *wishlist* millions of innocent people.
      3. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
        Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 15 December 2022 16: 45
        +1
        By the way, the TU-95 missile carrier is equipped with engines, in the creation of which German specialists took the lion's share.
  6. Watching Offline Watching
    Watching (Alex) 13 December 2022 19: 12
    -4
    Why pretend about some kind of "liberation"? Liberation of Ukraine from Ukraine? We are talking about the conquest of a sovereign state, no matter what they think about his regime. So what if the conquest? This has always been, is and will be in history. You just need to decide what is more important for Russia: Russia or Ukraine.
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 13 December 2022 19: 56
      +8
      Quote: Watching
      It's about conquering a sovereign state

      There is no smell of sovereignty in Ukraine, the country is under the complete control of the West and without its support it is unlikely that it will last a day.
    2. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
      sgrabik (Sergei) 14 December 2022 10: 14
      +5
      And where did you see a sovereign state in Ukraine, today's Ukraine is a real colony of the West, so don't say these ridiculous nonsense, it's not funny to write such nonsense yourself.
      1. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
        aslanxnumx (Aslan) 14 December 2022 16: 38
        0
        And Russia is far gone.
        1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 December 2022 12: 39
          0
          Aslan, And Russia has really gone far. Did not know? It's strange if you live in Russia.
          1. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
            aslanxnumx (Aslan) 15 December 2022 12: 54
            0
            And where did it go. I bought a gas column 2020 for 4800, now 7500. Yes, they have gone far.
            1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 December 2022 14: 37
              0
              Aslan, have you heard the market? Look for expensive 7500 where it's cheaper. We don't have fixed prices.
        2. guest Offline guest
          guest 15 December 2022 14: 51
          0
          Well, in this century, I don’t remember that some American official would come to Russia, sit in the presidential chair and indicate what Russia should do. Even in the last century openly did not have.
    3. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 December 2022 12: 36
      +1
      I observe, Everything has been decided long ago and most importantly - Russia, which includes the territory of the former Ukraine. And, yes, the question really is specific - Liberation from the Ukrofascist regime for a long time not a sovereign state of Ukraine.
    4. Sergei Fonov Offline Sergei Fonov
      Sergei Fonov (sergey fonov) 15 December 2022 18: 14
      +2
      Ukraine is a part of Russia, which, contrary to the will of the people expressed in the 1991 referendum, became Ukraine, until 1917 there was no such country, it is possible for Siberians and Urals to create republics artificially, there are forces that are trying to do this, Siberians can be divided into western and eastern, and in general you can fantasize ad infinitum. This is how Ukraine, from the wet fantasies of nationalists, with the help of proletarian internationalism, became a geopolitical reality. So to the question of what is more important to Russia, Russia or Ukraine, the answer is simple Russia - but the point is that Ukraine is an integral part of Russia.
  7. Smirnoff Offline Smirnoff
    Smirnoff (Victor) 13 December 2022 19: 28
    -4
    1. The complete liberation of Ukraine is NOT a guarantee of the survival of Russia itself.
    The issue of Russia's survival is not on the agenda of today, tomorrow, and everywhere else. It doesn't and won't stand.
    The issue of survival is acute for Ukraine. Part of the territories is irretrievably lost, its economy is destroyed by the United States. The question of survival is acute for Europe. There is a severe crisis, through the fault of the United States, but there is NO crisis in Russia!
    2. The complete liberation of Ukraine, what remains of it, is a matter of time. No need to hurry. Everything is going the way Russia should, not the United States!!! Russia will be able to free Ukraine from American democratic terrorism. Russia will win. Definitely!
  8. Nelton Offline Nelton
    Nelton (Oleg) 13 December 2022 19: 34
    +5
    an ironic and sad smile is caused by calls to forget about Ukraine and focus on the socio-economic development of Russia itself. Is it necessary to develop the economy of our country? Undoubtedly! But how are you, dear reader, going to do it under the conditions of truly comprehensive Western sanctions?

    Our economy is based on the export of natural resources. Both hydrocarbon pipes to the Kremlin are now wrapped in knots. The industry depends on imported components and technologies. The internal market of Russia itself is small and insufficient for the formation of an authorship, or at least a semi-authority.
    ...
    or we take Ukraine for ourselves and reintegrate it into our own economic space

    About sanctions, for good, it was necessary to think before 24/02 ...

    Now they are with us for the foreseeable future, regardless of the position of the border of the Russian Federation - the "west", at least along the eastern border of the Ukrainian SSR, at least along the western one.
    The forcible inclusion in the economic space of lumps of Ukraine (this is +20 million from the force, the population is fleeing and will flee to the west) and Belarus will not affect the alignment.
    (and the atmosphere in the country will be spoiled)

    for any it is necessary to reorient to Asia / Africa / Latin America.
    And of course, the domestic market.
    In the medium term, the most important thing will be how to manage the maintenance of the entire fleet of imported equipment. At the moment there is no panic.
    3D printing helps out.
    In general, work on the localization of components and finished products, the further development of export infrastructure to the east is quite understandable and is already underway.

    Today, another 57 km of the M12 highway were opened.
    Recently, the country's largest floating dock with a carrying capacity of 100 tons was delivered to Zvezda SSC.

    2030 and beyond
    In the long term, we will inevitably find that localized products, created with a number of restrictions and in the absence of competition with world leaders, are inferior to inaccessible imported analogues. And local producers will stand up for the preservation of the lockdown in terms of their products.
    If some new breakthrough technology is created in the West, we will be far behind.
    However, even Western forecasts show an increase in the share of Asian economies, and a gradual withdrawal of Europe and even the United States into the 2nd plan. Non-Western ones are even more pessimistic. And Iran, which has been under long sanctions, turned out to be not so backward.

    Any crisis is not only a loss, but also an opportunity.
    Western partner companies have liberated entire markets/industries almost for nothing. Whether the Russian Federation will be able to properly use this, or whether they will be completely occupied by China/Iran/Pakistan, we will observe.
    1. borisvt Offline borisvt
      borisvt (boris) 13 December 2022 19: 52
      +9
      I always look at your comments with respect, now I have to add - the Americans will not let them develop in peace, they will torment them with Ukrainians / psheks / Czechoslovaks and other Azerbaijani-Armenian conflicts ((
      Marzhetsky, as always, thinks in the right direction. We need to bring the territory of the fallow land to life so that rockets do not fly to us from there, but our National Guard works with various renegades there, they know how! And to NATO, after, - we will answer, they will not risk being under our attack of nuclear weapons.
      What I object to the author of the article is that he says goodbye to Galicia too early. In order to give it, you must first have it. We'll get it - you look, and you won't have to give it away))
      1. Nelton Offline Nelton
        Nelton (Oleg) 13 December 2022 22: 03
        -1
        Quote from borisvt
        so that rockets do not fly to us from there

        Anti-missile defense must fight missiles.
        Israel lives with rocket attacks - and is developing quite well.

        Quote from borisvt
        tormented by Ukrainians \ Psheks \ Czechoslovaks and other Azerbaijani-Armenian conflicts ((

        They torment exactly as much as we ourselves get into it.

        In fact, a number of sectors of the economy developed during 2022.
        The infrastructure is the same.
        Although it would seem...
        1. Otto Davar Offline Otto Davar
          Otto Davar (Otto Davar) 13 December 2022 23: 33
          +4
          About Israel is not ftema. He always responds very harshly.
          Does not chew snot about one people. Although Jews and Arabs are indeed one people - the Semites.
          1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 December 2022 13: 04
            +1
            Otto, and who chews snot? Putin, who claims that we and the Ukrainians-immigrants from Rus' are one people? Refute without any controversy that our president is wrong.
      2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 December 2022 12: 56
        +1
        Boris is the most adequate commentator!
  9. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Leopold) 13 December 2022 20: 01
    +2
    What is even worse is that with the entry of the RF Armed Forces to the administrative borders of these four former Ukrainian regions, nothing will end.

    That's exactly what can end if Russia acts decisively and consistently. The trick is that the Ukraine project can only exist at the expense of Russia in one form or another. If you cut off all channels for the supply of energy resources to Nezalezhnaya, including through Belarus, then if not this then next winter, this country will finish off and it will simply crumble. Russia will only have to pick up the fragments that fell on it, wash them from the Ukrainian raid and tidy up for themselves. Let the Poles and Romanians take the rest.
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 13 December 2022 20: 05
      +4
      Quote: Colonel Kudasov
      If you cut off all channels for the supply of energy resources to Nezalezhnaya

      So who will go for it, Abramovich and other representatives of the fifth column will gladly sacrifice millions of Russian lives for their profit.
    2. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 14 December 2022 09: 11
      +4
      Quote: Colonel Kudasov
      Ukraine can only exist at the expense of Russia in one form or another. If you cut off all channels for the supply of energy resources to Nezalezhnaya, including through Belarus, then if not this then next winter, this country will finish off and it will simply crumble. Russia will only have to pick up the fragments that fell on it, wash them from the Ukrainian raid and tidy up for themselves. Let the Poles and Romanians take the rest.

      you are fundamentally wrong, there are many states that are completely poor, but exist, because the goal of Ukraine is to harm Russia, albeit without heat, albeit in hunger, no one will ask khokhlosvinofascists, the march is to fight for the US Federal Reserve and that’s all .... you can’t give not an inch of land for the Poles and Romanians, because this inch will be used by the owners of the Poles and Romanians for that, that is, to constantly harm Russia, the Poles and Romanians are not independent, their leaders are American bedding
    3. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 December 2022 13: 14
      +1
      Colonel, not much. Are you generous? Scatter our territories. Did you join them to the USSR by paying hundreds of thousands of our soldiers in the Second World War?
  10. mechanic Offline mechanic
    mechanic (Yuri) 13 December 2022 20: 30
    +2
    "Liberate" Ukraine as a whole, but from whom, from the Ukrainians?
    And how can Ukrainians be forced to love Russia? Or conc. make camps?
    Even if we dismiss the moral aspects, such a "conquest" will fundamentally weaken Russia.
    Enormous resources, including human resources, will be used to hold Ukraine, control it, and remake it.
    For me, it would be much more logical to lure loyal residents of the near abroad to move to Russia, and not take them along with the territories.
    We have a lot of territory, but people are sorely lacking.
    Why waste a scarce human resource to get something that is already in bulk?
    1. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
      Colonel Kudasov (Leopold) 13 December 2022 21: 44
      -3
      The Sea of ​​Azov will become the inland sea of ​​Russia, what's wrong?) But Russia does not need the rest of the territory of Ukraine with the hidden Bandera people for nothing, I agree.
    2. Nikolay Volkov Offline Nikolay Volkov
      Nikolay Volkov (Nikolai Volkov) 13 December 2022 21: 51
      +3
      And how can Ukrainians be forced to love Russia?

      Kherson before the SVOina was a very pro-Western city (at least by voting) ... during the time that the Russian Federation was in Kherson, there were no mass riots and so on ... apparently, it’s not so difficult for Ukrainians and Russians to live in one state ?? ? Another thing is that the authorities in the Kremlin themselves do not really want the peaceful coexistence of our peoples. and does EVERYTHING that is possible so that the percentage of those who want to cooperate with them tends to zero ...

      secondly, if Putin took the position in the 14th year that he allegedly realized only now, there would be no problem in adapting the inhabitants of Kharkov, Odessa, Nikolaev, Zaporozhye to life together with the Russian Federation ... we ourselves are all about ... but to blame now lazy Ukrainians who got up wrong??? and you leave more of them without light and heat in the winter, they will be even more "grateful" to you ... Zelensky wandered under your nose, in Izyum, in Kherson ... but you can’t touch him ... and people without light you can leave ... and then we spread our hands, and why they don’t like us
      1. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 14 December 2022 08: 58
        +1
        Quote: Nikolai Volkov
        And how can Ukrainians be forced to love Russia?

        1 shoot the fascists as much as they can (SVO), 2 evict all pro-Western ones to the west (for which turn off the light) 3 filter the rest, who to Siberia for the construction site of the century Yakutsk Magadan (hardened pro-Ukrainians not amenable to re-education) who to re-educate on the spot
      2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 December 2022 13: 19
        0
        Nikolai, when you write such thoughts, start them something like this - Of course, I'm not a politician, but it seems to me .... It will be more honest
    3. Nikolay Volkov Offline Nikolay Volkov
      Nikolay Volkov (Nikolai Volkov) 13 December 2022 21: 57
      +3
      and as for the territories that are in bulk ... the Ukrainian land (as a fertile aspect) is much better than most of the lands of the Russian Federation, in addition, in Eastern Ukraine, before the NWO, there were a significant number of factories and, most importantly, PERSONNEL that our industry needs ... employees of the same Motor Sich cannot be replaced by any Tajiks ... now, of course, after mediocre 10 months, you yourself know what, after the barbaric and senseless bombardments of Kharkov (I remind you that it was in Kharkov that the battalions gathered that kicked our people out of Balakleya, Izyum and other cities in THREE days .. .we didn’t see these battalions, but we beat on civilian infrastructure) it will be more difficult with this ... refusing to work on a broad front, the Russian Federation rests on the Donbass, which it happily destroys together with its "respected partner" Zelensky ... and now nobody really needs such a naked and ruined Donbass ... if it had been recognized in the 14th year, everything would have been different ... but as it turned out, the great strategist of the "long game" was simply thrown like a losh ...
      1. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 14 December 2022 08: 59
        0
        Quote: Nikolai Volkov
        employees of the same Motor Sich

        much worse than Tajiks, because Tajiks do not hate Russians
      2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 December 2022 12: 06
        0
        Nikolai, is it easier to live in deceit? Do you write from Ukraine? From Kharkov?
    4. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 14 December 2022 09: 05
      +3
      Quote: Mechanic
      We have a lot of territories,

      you don’t understand, it seems that these are the fascists who were nurtured to attack Russia and hang all Russians, there is no choice, either we destroy all the ukrofascists, how many of them there are without leaving them a piece of land, at least millions of scum, or Russia will die
  11. Nikolay Volkov Offline Nikolay Volkov
    Nikolay Volkov (Nikolai Volkov) 13 December 2022 21: 47
    +4
    calls to engage in the country, and not to climb where it is not necessary to very often sound from the lips of liberals (I'm not saying that the user of the site of this particular side) ... guys, your market yo ... d for 30 years has brought Russia to the point of understanding soon there will be nothing ... villages, villages and towns are dying, the population is moving to Moscow and St. Petersburg, education, medicine tends to zero. the industry is in ruins ... what are you doing for 30 years (okay, 15 under Yeltsin and early Putin did nothing? ... you failed here too and as it turned out you didn’t make friends in the West ... now, apparently, you want to finally to deal with the Russian military-industrial complex, as they previously dealt with the civil aircraft industry, and then with a proud head to say that nothing can be built with such a population ...
    1. Nelton Offline Nelton
      Nelton (Oleg) 13 December 2022 22: 48
      +2
      The population is leaving the villages, but crops are growing, agriculture has become a net exporter, against the backdrop of horse purchases of fruit / cocoa / coffee.

      Medicine tends to zero - but life expectancy is growing, perinatal centers have been built and infant mortality has fallen to European levels.

      The industry is in ruins - but somehow it produces nuclear icebreakers for itself, nuclear power plants and for export ...
      Tankers/gas carriers of the Arctic class have begun...

      Housing is being built for many years in a row more than the peak values ​​​​of the RSFSR.

      Or let's say LDP - at one time the USSR pulled off a deal of the century with the FRG, "gas in exchange for pipes." The Russian Federation for the "power of Siberia" somehow managed with its pipes. The surplus went to Canada ...

      Trams, wagons, buses - they have completely adjusted their own.
      Deutsche Bahn even bought freight cars.

      Here, whatever the industry, but it is necessary to boringly paint all the dynamics.
      Or let's say metallurgy - there seemed to be no outwardly special dynamics, it was held on by 70+ million tons of steel, but this is just one of the series that you need to run as fast as you can just to stay in place. Which was not only successful for everyone.

      Yes, many people have been under severe stress because of the sanctions.

      But I believe in the skippers of our economy.
      1. Nelton Offline Nelton
        Nelton (Oleg) 14 December 2022 18: 35
        +2
        here it is interesting, I give the facts of some economic achievements of the Russian Federation.
        maybe not very epic (although the icebreakers of the LK-22220 series are quite for themselves), but real.
        what drives those who put cons?

        1. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
          Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 14 December 2022 19: 18
          0
          traitors minus you = pro-Western reptiles
        2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 December 2022 12: 01
          +1
          Nelton, I'll give you pluses.
        3. borisvt Offline borisvt
          borisvt (boris) 15 December 2022 13: 25
          +1
          Bring-bring! Minus units, read - thousands))
          I talked at the beginning of the SVO with an intelligent person, by the way - he was worried about the sanctions - and I had to calm him down with your arguments. Grain yields are outrageous, we produce a lot of our own equipment with Belarus, we will have something to process further, we will not be left without bread. The pigsties of poultry farms have been built, the stores are oversaturated, this is not the nineties with bushes. We pump gas-oil, we produce gasoline - there will be something to heat and what to drive. Why worry?
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 December 2022 13: 22
      0
      Nikolai, why did you dislike Mother Russia so much?
  12. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 13 December 2022 23: 04
    +3
    Brains, true justice - that's what is a guarantee for Russia.
    What kind of Ukraine is there, if the "elite" takes record-breaking billions over the hill for their children (they wrote, not being afraid to "swallow the dust"), and the losers thrown out of Omerik quickly attaches to warm places to steer .....
  13. Otto Davar Offline Otto Davar
    Otto Davar (Otto Davar) 13 December 2022 23: 18
    0
    There was such a character named Manilov.
  14. Alex_90 Offline Alex_90
    Alex_90 (Alexander) 14 December 2022 06: 59
    +5
    The West lured us to Ukraine. And everything goes, unfortunately, according to the plan of the West. So Putin is not lying when he says that everything is according to plan)
    As for the "idealistic" approach. One of the problems of the NWO is that to this day we are at war with the “fraternal people”.
    Imagine if the same conflict over disputed territories would begin not with Ukraine, but with Japan? For example, she attacked the Kuriles .. And there we would have used both tactical nuclear weapons and strategic nuclear weapons.
    And why is he coddling with Ukraine then?
    People who are afraid there and waiting for Russia..but they don't want to stand up and liberate their country? Who needed it - they left for the Russian Federation a long time ago. Since 2014, the state has allocated a lot of quotas for refugees from Ukraine.

    So, this is the truth .. if they knew that it was inevitable .. so why then was the ground army not a million, but 300 thousand? Since 2015, the ground forces would have been increased, they would have driven around Syria for the sake of experience. It was good to fly planes there, the barmaley did not have air defense there.
    You had to take care of your own country.

    Now everyone is saying that if we were not the first, crests would have climbed. Yes it is. They would climb. So they would have answered with the use of the nuclear triad for the CPR in Kyiv. And the conflict would end very quickly. Does anyone really believe that a nuclear response would have arrived “for Ukraine”? And then the West would see that we are serious, we observe the nuclear doctrine, we will not allow ourselves to be offended.

    This, after all, is the main advantage of the Russian Federation. So no one in their right mind attacked. And now the whole world has seen that we do not use the main trump card. And the army was not the second in the world. And we have to, and we will have to fight for a very long time, not only with Ukraine, by conventional means, in which we have never had parity with the West.
    The goal of the West in the conflict is clear - Russia needs to be exhausted by this war and the agenda must be swayed inside. Therefore, when Ukraine ends, there will be Poles, Balts, Romanians, Georgians, Kazakhs .. They do not need land, they need resources. They do not need the victory of Ukraine, which will encroach on the Rostov region. Therefore, weapons are supplied bit by bit. There are fewer TV experts who are yelling that we are fighting against the entire NATO bloc, which is why things are not very good. Yeah, the entire NATO bloc has 40 tanks, in total, which were brought to Ukraine.
    Even the planes have not yet been delivered ... and, as the author points out correctly, they will even bring in a core.
    And the question is, what are we waiting for?
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 December 2022 13: 26
      -3
      Alex certainly doesn't need to watch and listen to experts on TV if you can come to The Reporter and listen to your revelations.
  15. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 14 December 2022 08: 52
    +3
    the whole point is in the last sentence

    The objective reality is that either we take Ukraine for ourselves and reintegrate it into our own economic space, or the NATO bloc turns it into a poisoned stylet aimed at the very heart of Russia.

    I believe that it is not necessary to meddle in Angola or Argentina, but the destruction of the fascist regime created to attack the Russian Federation is simply an objective necessity! these are our internal interests, including to improve life inside the Russian Federation, because only a peaceful sky can provide such a life, we are fighting for peace, not for war
  16. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
    ivan2022 (ivan2022) 14 December 2022 09: 13
    +2
    The very term "survival" in relation to the richest country in the World suggests ..... You have to be very contrived to "survive" among the wonders of technology of the 21st century, and even having such resources.

    The condition for development and a comfortable existence is not determined by Ukraine.. For if there were no Ukraine, there would be another reason for the mess and shooting.

    This condition is the social usefulness of the population.
    The ability to put forward the best from one's environment to leadership.

    And not thieves and not traitors ... Our people are simply cool, excellent. But people in a sense are just......... eklmn... just letters.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 December 2022 11: 47
      -1
      Ivan, let down the ability of the population to nominate from their midst, for example, you Ivan to the leadership of the country. Strange, right? And our people are really not only cool, excellent, but also smart and far-sighted.
      1. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
        ivan2022 (ivan2022) 15 December 2022 19: 16
        +1
        And you were let down by the ability to get personal ......
        Nothing to cover? So don't worry, relax...

        A characteristic feature of Russians is to get personal. For this reason, embedding in the mug is, generally speaking, the only way to treat.
  17. Vyacheslav Krylov (Vyacheslav Krylov) 14 December 2022 09: 51
    -4
    If you leave them there, on the original Russian land...

    The mentor tone of the article - let it be. The author's incorrect behavior in correspondence with objectionable critics can be neglected.
    Artistic creativity - the author has every right to create his own destiny.
    But to inspire the team about "primordially Russian lands" is already too much. You also need to know the measure!
    1. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 14 December 2022 19: 21
      0
      dear author 100500 times right, all so-called Ukraine is the original Russian lands occupied by the Nazis, read chronicles, epics, fairy tales and serious historians
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 December 2022 11: 41
      0
      Vyacheslav, with all my disrespect for the author, should support him in saying that all of Ukraine was, is and will be primordially Russian land.
      1. Vyacheslav Krylov (Vyacheslav Krylov) 16 December 2022 20: 00
        0
        Quote: Ignatov Oleg Georgievich
        all of Ukraine was, is and will be primordially Russian land.

        https://topwar.ru/206730-kak-ekaterina-ii-reshala-vopros-osvoenija-pustoporozzhih-zemel.html
        How Catherine II solved the issue of developing “empty lands”
        Read, if not laziness.
        And my comment:
        An interesting article was posted by Alexander Samsonov!
        The justification of rights in the territory can be controversial, except for one position -
        Russia grew in military and economic ways, possessing these potentials.
        Nothing new, just like everyone else.
        For the future: Russia will keep the developed territory and return the lost
        military and economic means, possessing these potentials.
        The renaissance of Russia is obvious.

        It is more interesting for me not to use uncertain definitions like "original".
        It is more interesting for me to use the expression: "it has long been taken by the power of Russian weapons" and "populated with the correct economic policy of autocrats and secular authorities."
        I'm not at all embarrassed to be so bad and cynical.
        1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 17 December 2022 00: 38
          +1
          Vyacheslav, what did I say wrong? Before Catherine, these were empty lands, that is, nobody's, and even more so not Ukrainian, since there was no concept of Ukraine as a state, nation, nationality, people, ethnic group. The Russian Empire came, staked it out, filled it with people, outlined the boundaries ... All this is now our primordial.
  18. Vyacheslav Krylov (Vyacheslav Krylov) 14 December 2022 09: 57
    -3
    Quote: Jacques Sekavar
    Some authoritative people said that the future of the Russian Federation is being decided in Ukraine today.

    The people were right.
    Ukraine is a testing ground where two systems of worldview met.
    The third system of worldview is still silent out of modesty.
  19. Vasya 225 Offline Vasya 225
    Vasya 225 (Vyacheslav) 14 December 2022 09: 58
    0
    Circles from a stone thrown into the water will always reach the thrower and there is nothing to make a tragedy out of this. You have to take it firmly. In life, as in checkers - they don’t go back.
  20. Vlad Sirs Offline Vlad Sirs
    Vlad Sirs (Sirius NVL) 14 December 2022 13: 36
    -1
    Russia is offered the path of isolationism for 30-50 years as an option to preserve itself after the defeat in Ukraine. The author once again speaks of the impossible task for the Russian Federation to change anything in this war. It seems that the Kremlin understands this, therefore, in 2023, local successes of the RF Armed Forces should be expected, followed by fixing and attempts to start peace negotiations.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 December 2022 13: 33
      0
      Vlad, the question of peace negotiations with Zeley is also impossible, just as negotiations with Hitler were impossible. Only complete and unconditional surrender and liquidation of Ukraine's statehood. Am I explaining basic things too hard?
      1. Vlad Sirs Offline Vlad Sirs
        Vlad Sirs (Sirius NVL) 17 December 2022 14: 10
        0
        I wrote about attempts, Kyiv will not negotiate.
  21. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 15 December 2022 11: 35
    0
    The author, like some local forum users, advocates the revival of the USSR. Author, let me slowly explain to you what is meant by the USSR. Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. This suggests that such an education arose by force, by force through a revolution and a civil war, as a result of which millions died in a fratricidal war. The collapse of the country, the economy, finances, the loss of territories, the armed forces. The country was defenseless against external intervention. The author offers the easiest way for the suicide of the Russian Federation, which, by the way, is very much desired by all the hostile forces of the West and America. Russia cannot be defeated by anyone in the world except herself! Another utopia. Does the author offer methods and means of self-destruction of our country?
    1. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 15 December 2022 15: 48
      +1
      Ignatov forgot that literally everything up to the Ural Mountains was sold to the Americans, the Japanese and the rest. The south of Russia was sold to the French and British. The West was sold to the Germans. The northern part of Russia was sold to the USA and part of it was British. If not for the Bolsheviks, then Ignatov would not exist. What this meant, you can remember how Ukrainians and Russians, mostly young people, were taken to work in Germany. But this could have begun already when Russia would have been ruled by the naglichian race. Immediately after the collapse of the Russin empire.
      1. Vyacheslav Krylov (Vyacheslav Krylov) 16 December 2022 21: 27
        0
        Quote: zenion
        literally everything up to the Ural Mountains was sold to the Americans, the Japanese and the rest. The south of Russia was sold to the French and British. The West was sold to the Germans. The northern part of Russia was sold to the USA and part of it was British.

        Stunned! Sometimes I regret that I am weak in history.
      2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 17 December 2022 00: 28
        0
        zenion, but I didn’t forget anything, I’m writing about this. I am writing what the revolutions lead to at the beginning and the civil war at the end. Although I have never heard of the sales that you write about. Who was selling?
        1. zenion Offline zenion
          zenion (zinovy) 20 December 2022 16: 00
          +1
          Whites sold. For tanks and other weapons. And for this they erected monuments in the cities. Who sold - ask the Siberians.
    2. guest Offline guest
      guest 15 December 2022 15: 57
      +1
      But the coup d'état was carried out not by the "evil" Bolsheviks, but by liberals and other national traitors in February 1917, and all the consequences, including death and loss of territories, were solely their fault.
      1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 17 December 2022 00: 31
        -1
        guest, were Lenin and Stalin liberals?
        1. guest Offline guest
          guest 17 December 2022 02: 03
          +1
          And what do they have to do with the February coup?
  22. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 15 December 2022 15: 40
    0
    Literally everything seems to be written off from the book by Yaroslav Hasek about the good soldier Schweik. They describe how the Austrians, and especially the regiment in which Schweik served, beat everyone left and right, but then they remembered their love for the empire and surrendered so that after the war they would return to Austria and report to the emperor, we returned to continue you serve. We saved our lives for you.
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  24. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 17 December 2022 22: 05
    +1
    To resolve the issue in Ukraine, you will first have to make a legal decision on the state coup in the USSR. A coup d'état is a criminal offense that has no statute of limitations. Since the entire "elite", oligarchs, capitalists and the current government of the Russian Federation was a participant, accomplice, continuer of the participants in the crime, the authorities will not make any decision and will try to make everyone forget those events, and will whitewash themselves. The war in Ukraine leads to the collapse of the existing government, for her the victory of the Russian Federation over Ukraine is a collapse, and for her the defeat of the Russian Federation is also a collapse. The more mobilized for the war in Ukraine, the more people will be against the authorities. To maintain power, there is only one way out, uncertainty in Ukraine, a sluggish war for decades, constant negotiations with NATO and the surrender of the positions of the Russian Federation a little bit, stretched out in time for decades. Peskov said that the Kremlin is not considering an offensive, that is, the authorities have no plans to liberate Ukraine. Whether the Russian Federation and its people will survive is not the main thing for the authorities, the capitalists, the oligarchs, the main thing for them is to have time to run away to their money. Roads to the South and East are free for them, Jews will flee to Israel, non-Jews to Turkey, to the Arabs, to Asia, to Africa. Where to run from the war ordinary Russians? To Siberia, to the Far East???
  25. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 20 December 2022 15: 54
    0
    The complete liberation of Ukraine from the Russians of Russia will give prosperity to both countries. Everyone has to dig in their own manure. Stop twisting the slogan - apple trees are sweeter in someone else's garden. Grow these apple trees in your garden. Stop scaring people with your neighbors.