US does not want Kyiv's victory in the conflict in Ukraine

The US authorities are at a crossroads with their policies regarding Ukraine. From the start of the conflict, Washington's policy has been to provide Kiev with the material and diplomatic support it needs to defend itself against Russian moves, while keeping in mind a border that would not lead to direct conflict with NATO or nuclear war.

Obviously, the conclusion from this concept is that the United States is not interested in the victory of Ukraine in the conflict with Russia, as this could lead to a global nuclear war. Analyst Brian Clark writes about this in his article for 19FortyFive.

As the specialist writes, America is beginning to lay the groundwork for future peace negotiations and ends the conflict with large-scale agreements. A possible alternative outcome, in the form of a continuation of the current policy of supporting Ukraine and its armed forces until complete victory, becomes unlikely.

However, Kyiv wants everything at once, hoping for help from the West. And here the goals of America and Ukraine diverge, because such large-scale goals are not in America's interests. Here, not only the nuclear conflict is put at the forefront. But also the long-term prospects for relations between the US and the Russian Federation. With the victory of Ukraine in the conflict, such relationships will become a priori impossible.

From these simple arguments, Clark draws no less simple and important conclusions. The analyst is confident that "full restoration of Ukraine's sovereignty" is not worth the possible threat of a nuclear war, and cooperation with Moscow is more valuable than with Kiev. Therefore, the author calls on Washington to influence Kyiv in order to cool its fighting spirit for the return of all territories and even “a little Russia”, and to force peace negotiations before it is too late.
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  1. zuuukoo Offline zuuukoo
    zuuukoo (Sergei) 11 December 2022 09: 17
    In fact, both American and European officials (and not self-proclaimed experts) have repeatedly said in plain text that "Russia's victory in Ukraine = defeat of NATO" and they do not recognize any agreements not on Ukraine's terms.

    Here is Stolberg's latest statement

    the conflict may develop into an official confrontation between the Russian Federation and NATO, but the alliance is working to prevent it.

    Translated from a diplomatic one: "We cannot allow the defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and for this we are pumping them with weapons and intelligence. But even if this does not help, NATO will intervene openly."
  2. prior Offline prior
    prior (Vlad) 11 December 2022 09: 51
    It seems that neither Ukrainian rabids nor Svidomo zahystnyks are becoming worthless to anyone.
  3. Potapov Offline Potapov
    Potapov (Valery) 11 December 2022 09: 59
    It is pointless to guess about the wishes of these strange states and people ... We must do what we need ... Otherwise, everything will be forgiven again and half the country will begin to rejoice with songs and dances ...
    1. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
      ivan2022 (ivan2022) 12 December 2022 06: 54
      It's for sure that guessing the "Wishlist of other states" -
      pointless business.

      But it is difficult to get rid of the psychology of the colony ..... And it is based on guessing the master's wishes.

      It is in it that the reasons for the collapse of the USSR, which possessed much more resources than modern Russia. This was also the reason for the collapse of the Republic of Ingushetia, whose nobles behaved in relations with the West like serfs with bars and did not understand this shame ....

      And what is new in the worldview of our elite today?
      So far, only awareness of the fallacy of the policy of recent decades. And at the same time, inertia and hopes that it is still possible to guess the desires of the White people and fix everything. And become the same gentlemen .. Look: we have the White House and the Senate and the President and the "primaries" .... . All like white people.

      But the contenders for the title of "nobles and the elite of the World" were treated the same way as grandmaster O. Bender was treated by the Romanian border guards. They let him down .... they called him slaves and did not let him at the master's table. Shame and pain: "we had such cool multi-moves .. and all in vain? ".... We live in a dangerous time of insights.
  4. VAHOKA Offline VAHOKA
    VAHOKA (VAHOKA) 11 December 2022 15: 20
    Therefore, the author calls on Washington to influence Kyiv in order to cool its fighting spirit for the return of all territories and even “a little Russia”, and to force peace negotiations before it is too late.

    Everything is very simple, Ukraine withdraws its entire occupying army from the territories of the Donetsk republics and pays reparations for the damage caused
    A very important point is to release all imprisoned soldiers of the DPR and LPR who were imprisoned for 15 years allegedly for "separatism" and "violation of the territorial integrity of Ukraine" and to pay $50 in moral compensation to each.
    1. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 12 December 2022 09: 38
      Quote from VAHOKA
      Everything is very simple, Ukraine displays

      this is a betrayal that will lead to the continuation of the military and terrorist conflict indefinitely, only the complete elimination of the so-called Ukraine is permissible
  5. In passing Offline In passing
    In passing (Galina Rožkova) 11 December 2022 15: 40
    Looks like we've reached the point where the costs outweigh the benefits. Russia is standing and fighting, and even the missiles have not run out. Getting involved yourself is suicide in World War III. There is already a war of the military-industrial complex and economies, not sanctions. Until the last Ukrainian! While Zelya makes money. The question is what the Russian leadership sees in terms of negotiations. Or is it capitulation?
    1. VAHOKA Offline VAHOKA
      VAHOKA (VAHOKA) 13 December 2022 11: 26
      While Zelya makes money

      For most people, money is the only motivation to fight.
    2. anti-aircraft gunner 13 December 2022 18: 51
      Surrender, if there will be, then our Politburo. They are waiting for our elders to crawl on their knees to ask for forgiveness and surrender. Everything is leading up to this. Because they themselves do not fight, and the people are not given.
  6. anti-aircraft gunner 13 December 2022 18: 48
    Where do you get these "analysts"? Does anyone in the USA know them at all, except for our translators of similar articles?