The "Red Line" has been passed: is the government ready to declare Patriotic War?


Watching what is happening at the beginning of December 2022, one gets the feeling of a radical change in the essence of the NWO. Combat operations are already being carried out in the most active way on the territory of the Russian Federation, as a result of which warehouses are burning every day, airfields and substations in Kursk, Bryansk, Ryazan and even Saratov regions. The strikes on the “newly acquired” territories have generally assumed an inhuman nature, which is why the heart of Donbass, the city of Donetsk, is now experiencing perhaps the bloodiest period in its history.


All this leads to a change in the rhetoric in the media, where they are increasingly calling for a nationwide uprising not just against neo-Nazism, but for the very future of our Fatherland. The country's President Vladimir Putin is already officially saying that the NWO could become a lengthy process, and therefore it is not worth waiting for the war to end in the coming months. And if this is so, then the conclusion suggests itself: all of Russia needs to unite under some new idea that can lead to such a long-awaited victory. The history of our country knows only one such idea, and its name is the People's or Patriotic War. Under the slogan of victory in such a war, our people have repeatedly shown miracles of survival, winning where, it would seem, it is impossible to win. And according to a number of signs, we see that the idea of ​​renaming the SVO into Patriotic War is now being discussed at the highest level.

Why is it necessary to declare a new Patriotic War?


It is difficult to disagree with the fact that the concept of "Special military operation on the territory of Ukraine" has long outlived its usefulness. Experts in this matter (for example, the theoretician of special operations, a veteran of the GRU special forces, Colonel Vladimir Kvachkov) have been insisting since the spring of 2022 that it is fundamentally wrong to call what is happening in Ukraine the SVO. According to many, if there was a SVO in Ukraine, it ended with the withdrawal of Russian troops from the Kyiv, Chernihiv and Sumy regions. And after our troops in certain sectors of the front have switched to strategic defense, there is no question of any special operation.

But more significant is the fact that the bulk of the hostilities have long been conducted not in Ukraine, but on the constitutional territory of the Russian Federation. Many expected that the renaming of the SVO into a full-fledged war would be announced immediately after the annexation of the LDNR, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions. But this did not happen, and at the top they decided to confine themselves to the announcement of partial mobilization. Unfortunately, 2,5 months later, we still have not seen significant changes at the front in favor of our country. True, according to the president, no more than half of those mobilized are directly involved in the operation, while the remaining 150 people are on training grounds.

The most important factor that pushes to change the name of the NWO to something else is the need to mobilize all available resources to achieve victory. Perhaps, no one has any doubts that it is impossible to cope with the Kyiv regime, supported by the collective West, with little bloodshed. Despite the colossal damage inflicted by our armed forces on energy, infrastructure, industry and other areas of the Ukrainian economics, the Kyiv military machine continues its bloody work.

After the "regrouping" of the RF Armed Forces to the left bank of the Dnieper, the Armed Forces of Ukraine pulled even more artillery, armored vehicles, troops to the Donbass and began to mock the people of Donbass with renewed vigor. In the first week of December alone, hundreds of civilians of the Russian Federation were killed at the hands of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. People suffer not only in Donbass, but also in Kursk, Belgorod and other regions. From some cities and towns located along the front line, only ruins remained. And if nothing is changed, then dozens, if not hundreds of other settlements can turn into the same ruins.

What way out of this do they see at the top? We all hope that in the Ministry of Defense and the commander of the Northern Military District, General Surovikin, there is a clear plan, which will allow our army to make a winter offensive and turn the tide of hostilities. In this regard, special hopes are pinned on the Bakhmut direction, where the Wagner PMC, together with other units of the RF Armed Forces, have every chance of operational success. But it is very likely that something more serious and large-scale is needed to achieve a strategic turning point.

When can we expect changes in the SVO?


Outside the window is the second week of December and most of Russia, in spite of everything, is preparing to celebrate the New Year. Cities are being decorated with festive illuminations, parents are buying gifts for their children, and enterprises are tallying up the results of 2022. With this in mind, we can hardly expect that by the end of this year we will witness serious decisions in terms of changing the nature of the current NWO. The only exception may be some large-scale emergency. Although, based on the experience of the terrorist attack on the Crimean bridge, it can be assumed that this will not necessarily change anything.

But the beginning of next year really promises to bring serious changes to the battlefields. By this time, we can still see the real start of the winter campaign, since in January the “general frost” will finally come into its own. It is expected that by this period the training of all those who were mobilized in September-October will be completed, and the Russian army will reach a new peak of its combat capability. In addition, according to the plan of the Ministry of Defense, from January 1, 2023, the regular strength of the Russian army will be increased by 137 thousand people.

But the most important thing is that we are slowly approaching the first anniversary of the NWO. As much as we would not like it, it is already clear that by February 24, 2023, the goals of the operation are unlikely to be achieved. Obviously, they understand this at the very top, and therefore, in order to achieve these goals, they will be forced to take new measures. According to many analysts, the most effective of them will be the transition to an all-out war with Ukraine, which will require a complete revision of the essence of the NWO. And in light of this, giving the operation the status of a Patriotic War looks very likely.
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  1. anti-aircraft gunner 8 December 2022 08: 04
    +23
    Cautious calls for the Politburo to wake up and start fighting for real. But hardly any of them read this site. Like thousands of others. On which the people are already openly urging them to move from boltology to action. But it is unlikely that there will be progress in the current Politburo. In the worst case, the Brest peace is shameful for us. And in the best case, the West, having understood the fear of our Politburo to fight until a crushing victory, will no longer go. He will slowly tighten the noose, forcing him to give up. We are waiting for changes. But will we wait?
    1. Daniel P Offline Daniel P
      Daniel P (Danil P) 10 December 2022 15: 57
      -3
      Putin and his team are not able to think strategically, are not able to make the right decisions because of their stupidity, and most importantly, Putin will never admit his guilt, and does not admit even now, when it is already clear to everyone that he simply screwed up in full. This is our trouble.
  2. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 8 December 2022 08: 17
    +11
    Is the government ready to declare a Patriotic War?

    1) If you call a cat a tiger, then it will still remain a cat, so it's not about the name.
    2) But even if you are tired of the letters "SVO", then it is best to rename it to the First Russian-Ukrainian War.
    1. Dingo Offline Dingo
      Dingo (Victor) 8 December 2022 08: 35
      +12
      But even if you are tired of the letters "CBO"

      The main thing is that these letters are not tired of this government - it hides behind them, like behind a fig leaf. Covering their impotence and huckster interest...
      And the people have long given their decoding - "Bastard" VO.
      1. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 8 December 2022 09: 19
        -1
        I don't like these collective terms like "power" or "people".
        The head of my district or region is the authorities, but absolutely nothing depends on them in the matter of the SVO.
        And at the same time they (with their kodles-clans-relatives) are part of the people. It is practically impossible to draw a line between "the people" and "the authorities".

        The same is "army" or "war". The pilot from above, the soldier from the trench and the general behind the map are different "faces" of this army and see this war in completely different ways.
        1. Gennady1959 Offline Gennady1959
          Gennady1959 (Gennady) 8 December 2022 22: 45
          +1
          At the same time, the hero remains a hero, and the scoundrel and traitor remains a scoundrel and traitor. Regardless of faces. It is a pity that scoundrels and traitors rule the country.
          1. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 8 December 2022 23: 14
            0


            This is your personal point of view.
            I am not a big fan of the Commander-in-Chief, but I accept the will of the majority of the Russian population, who have been voting for him in elections for two decades now.
            1. borisvt Offline borisvt
              borisvt (boris) 9 December 2022 02: 10
              0
              I support your idea.
              But as a pedant - a pedant, regarding the term 1st Ukrainian, I can say that internecine wars on the territory of Rus' have been from time immemorial, starting with Kyiv. Both brothers and brothers, and father and children fought regularly. According to one version, only Yaroslav the Wise, according to one version, sent the brothers to the other world, and not Svyatopolk at all, as is commonly believed, now perhaps the scale is not the same.
              1. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 9 December 2022 08: 53
                -1
                1) The period of feudal fragmentation was experienced by all more or less civilized states, but in Rus' it was complicated by a peculiar order of inheritance, which led to the fact that brothers fought with dads and vice versa.
                2) When I was a student in the 1st year, my group was taught by Nikolai Sergeevich Borisov, whom I remembered somewhat better than the period when Kyiv was the capital of the ancient Russian principalities.
        2. Mordvin 3 Offline Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 (Vladimir) 11 December 2022 05: 06
          -1
          Quote: Trampoline area instructor
          The head of my district or region is the authorities, but absolutely nothing depends on them in the matter of the SVO.

          They may well support the soldiers with equipment, food and medicine. Otherwise, we can come to the situation in WWI, when the peasants scrambled from all fronts to their native huts with lupars in their bosoms.
  3. Rainy Offline Rainy
    Rainy 8 December 2022 08: 32
    +11
    And what about the power? The question is not there.
    People's war must be recognized by the people themselves. And want to be a part of it. That is when the war can become popular.

    The article states that the Kursk, Bryansk, Saratov, Ryazan, and Belgorod regions are under attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Well, new regions. Everything is clear with Donbass. People there know what and why. And what about the residents of Zaporozhye and Kherson regions? Why so many refugees into the depths of Russia, including males, from these territories? Why do most of those who left - left? Why didn't you stay to defend your house from the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Didn't go to war?

    The same is true for the rest of the regions. People either leave, or just sit still and wait.

    Yes, there are those who go to sign up as volunteers. But how many of them, since it came to the announcement of mobilization?

    Obviously not enough. Where are the others? What kind of people's war can we talk about, is there an overwhelming part of the population that is not at all full of desire to go into the trenches under bullets and artillery? Think about it. And tell us what needs to be done so that the people themselves voluntarily go in huge waves to the military registration and enlistment offices. To do this, it is not enough just to declare a "Patriotic War". These are just words.
    1. Amper Offline Amper
      Amper (Vlad) 10 December 2022 13: 17
      +1
      Now the majority of people have an iron principle in the trend - my hut is on the edge, the fire at the other end of the village does not concern me! Until the firebrands fly into their own garden, the majority will not move. In addition, Kalash in the hands of a modern war is clearly not enough. And there is no time to organize resistance. Now the only thing that can stop aggression is the use of tactical nuclear weapons and the putting on alert of strategic nuclear weapons. The consequences of such a step are not predictable, but this is the only thing that remains and will have an effect ... soldier All good NG-mood! ! fellow
    2. Soulcube Offline Soulcube
      Soulcube (Soulcube RUS) 13 December 2022 14: 42
      0
      Quote: rainy
      And what about the power? The question is not there.
      People's war must be recognized by the people themselves. And want to be a part of it. That is when the war can become popular.

      The article states that the Kursk, Bryansk, Saratov, Ryazan, and Belgorod regions are under attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Well, new regions. Everything is clear with Donbass. People there know what and why. And what about the residents of Zaporozhye and Kherson regions? Why so many refugees into the depths of Russia, including males, from these territories? Why do most of those who left - left? Why didn't you stay to defend your house from the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Didn't go to war?

      The same is true for the rest of the regions. People either leave, or just sit still and wait.

      Yes, there are those who go to sign up as volunteers. But how many of them, since it came to the announcement of mobilization?

      Obviously not enough. Where are the others? What kind of people's war can we talk about, is there an overwhelming part of the population that is not at all full of desire to go into the trenches under bullets and artillery? Think about it. And tell us what needs to be done so that the people themselves voluntarily go in huge waves to the military registration and enlistment offices. To do this, it is not enough just to declare a "Patriotic War". These are just words.

      But for this, the war must come directly to our home ... Which is being done successfully
  4. Dimy4 Offline Dimy4
    Dimy4 (Dmitriy) 8 December 2022 08: 33
    +13
    The "Red Line" has been passed: is the government ready to declare Patriotic War?

    These empty statements of our empty leaders cause nothing but a smile with the addition of obscenities.
  5. Eduard Aplombov (Eduard Aplombov) 8 December 2022 08: 37
    -3
    I understand the general discontent, at least the people in the rear, annoyed by the incomprehensible sluggish war from the authorities
    but the longer it is sluggish, according to my confession, it goes on, the more obvious it becomes to me the strategic goal of this company at the moment
    1. The experience of capturing Mariupol and other more or less large settlements has shown that it is very costly for us, at least today, given our economy and the availability of combat-ready forces, because if we liberate cities, this will result in war years with hundreds of thousands of dead, given that everything is covered by civilians, and hostile to us
    2.our troops have defeated almost all Soviet equipment of the Armed Forces, there is an increased replenishment of NATO equipment and our command knows approximately the amount that NATO will supply, including familiarization with these supplies, new options are being tried to combat equipment, NATO communications
    we are studying a potential enemy in the field
    3. a meat grinder in the fields is much more effective for our army than taking and accelerating forward, acquiring new lands filled with trained gangs and terrorists, supply logistics is being calibrated and improved while at the top, at headquarters of different levels
    4. A new army is being formed, while studying in battles, the entire structure of the army will apparently change, from headquarters to types of units, communications, combat in relation to the terrain
    5. the economic forces of the enemy, production and infrastructure are knocked out
    I didn’t say something, I missed something, but this is how I see the current part of my
    everything can change, maybe NATO or logs harness directly and this is also taken into account by ours, without throwing all the trump cards on the table
    we haven’t fought like this before. everyone learns and makes mistakes, the death of our boys
    well, of course, sitting at home on the Internet to be indignant and proceed with righteous anger hiding behind the lives of the guys, but in war as in war, in the end, either we or us, the price has become marginal
    and the last, someone (with us) of course really wants to negotiate and disperse, save what was stolen and transported, only the Kremlin knows and understands that this will be a defeat and the end of Russia
    1. Essex62 Offline Essex62
      Essex62 (Alexander) 9 December 2022 01: 19
      -1
      The huckster government always has only huckster interests. They spit on the Fatherland and your wishes and inventions, gentlemen, authors and sympathizers. There is no strategy there. One desire to return everything as it was and eat, eat, eat in three throats.
    2. Amper Offline Amper
      Amper (Vlad) 10 December 2022 13: 23
      0
      Self-complacency. The aggressor's military-industrial complex is only spinning up and it is outside the affected area, they have not seriously started yet, they looked closely, probed, looked closely, tested, trained, I think most of their doubts have already dissipated. bully Time works for the victory of the strongest! am
  6. Vlad Sirs Offline Vlad Sirs
    Vlad Sirs (Sirius NVL) 8 December 2022 08: 46
    0
    There will be no total war, as well as a significant expansion of the theater of operations, the Syrian long-playing scenario is most likely, only in this version the West is for the government, and the Russian Federation is fighting against this government, but nevertheless recognizes it and is looking for economic cooperation.
  7. Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 8 December 2022 08: 58
    +15
    Hope for Surovikin and some mythical General Frost? Yes, and cold weather complicates the life of the attackers, not the defenders. Surovikin? Look how he ordered the Aerospace Forces that they are completely incompetent, 4 ++ generation aircraft in the Il-2 attack aircraft mode throw shells, just like in 1941, the only thing that is not from a dive. And non-combat losses of aircraft are already calculated in a list of more than a dozen units. And Ukrainian aviation both flew and flies. Drones are hitting strategic aircraft, and crested saboteurs are calmly blowing up attack helicopters.
    This is the order of Surovikin.
    I personally believe that nothing will change.
    300 thousand is not enough for an unconditional victory, especially since of these 300 thousand many have already fallen out of action, killed and wounded, and apathy has entered the troops, because no one knows what they are fighting for, what goals and where to reach in order to win. Especially while the government behaves like a spineless creature that cares only about grain deals, ammonia pipelines, regroupings and an irresistible, obsessive desire for negotiations.
    And if you look at and analyze the results that are currently available, it becomes generally uncomfortable.
    1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
      Michael L. 8 December 2022 09: 25
      0
      no one knows what they are fighting for

      The collective West is coveting the natural resources of the Russian Federation.
      Its population is a bone in its throat.
      L. Walesa has already betrayed the intention of the "apologists of European values": to split Russia and reduce its population to 50 million (he just did not specify that it is possible to move them to reservations)!
      And if the Russians do not want to fight, this will be a natural outcome of Russian history!
      1. paramaribo55 kmt (paramaribo55 kmt) 8 December 2022 10: 14
        0
        That is, Russia will end, it will be divided into zones of occupation, half of the population will be destroyed, the remaining half will be deprived of all rights and turned into slaves, but the nuclear missiles of the Russian Federation will continue to remain on alert in mines, submarines and trains .... uh ... something doesn't fit here.
        1. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 8 December 2022 15: 23
          +5
          Everything knits. If the leadership surrenders the country to the Anglo-Saxons, all this will be redirected to China. Probably, by the hands of those few who are "buyed" for the opportunity to live by the winners, and then only temporarily. The rest will simply be destroyed, and people from Russia will be hunted all over the world. This time they will eliminate the "Russian question" in the bud. Another option - having slandered and mixed with mud in a rewritten history, they will turn it into "cannon fodder" against China for the opportunity to live. An example is what they did to the people of Ukraine.
          A phrase from history - "Woe to the vanquished" will sound like this: "Woe to the surrendered enemies like cattle"
          We have only one way - against our main enemies - the Anglo-Saxons, at any cost and "yesterday", but we still need to approach this
          1. paramaribo55 kmt (paramaribo55 kmt) 8 December 2022 16: 50
            +3
            Well, if everything is so serious and so tragic, then you need to smack from all trunks, let everyone die
            1. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 8 December 2022 19: 26
              0
              if everything is so serious and so tragic

              This is a real opportunity, emotional assessments are not necessary for her.

              it is necessary to smack from all the trunks, let everyone die

              In 1962, the US was ready to behead and destroy the USSR. Physically. And they really wanted it. Really.
              The USSR did not

              smack from all trunks, let everyone die

              he just ruined this plan and that's it
              1. Nike Offline Nike
                Nike (Nikolai) 8 December 2022 20: 00
                +4
                There was a USSR with its planned economy and a tough ruling elite, and not because now you don’t understand what, who is fighting, who is trading
                1. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 8 December 2022 21: 20
                  +3
                  The USSR is not needed to destroy the plans of the Anglo-Saxons. This requires a competent change of power, and a real threat to their destruction. And then - you yourself answered. It is necessary to change the paradigm, create a mass ruling people's party, return the Soviet system and build a new national model of socialism in collaboration with China and other socialist. countries
                  1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 8 December 2022 23: 53
                    0
                    Alexey, and who will enter your mass people's party so that it becomes the ruling one? Martians? Well then yes! Kapets to everyone!
                  2. Amper Offline Amper
                    Amper (Vlad) 10 December 2022 13: 31
                    0
                    Fantasies, everything is long gone that could be involved in this scenario. FOR A LONG TIME! About 15 years ago. crying Finita la comedy! belay
                    1. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 10 December 2022 15: 05
                      0
                      For the Russians, you and Oleg are somehow too frivolous about the prospect of the death of the country
                      1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 12 December 2022 05: 10
                        -1
                        Alexey, in general, I don’t even allow the death of my country even in the future. Why do you think so?
                  3. guest Offline guest
                    guest 10 December 2022 15: 12
                    0
                    Quote: Alexey Davydov
                    This requires a competent change of power, and a real threat to their destruction.

                    The change of power is now a guaranteed suicide, 1917 and 1991 confirmed this.
                    1. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 10 December 2022 15: 25
                      -1
                      Suicide in 1917?
                      Russia remained and became the great USSR. Who killed himself, and for what?
                      1. guest Offline guest
                        guest 10 December 2022 15: 34
                        -2
                        The USSR appeared only 5 years after that, and then thanks to some happy circumstances that did not depend on us in any way. Well, there was also a bloody civil war and the loss of territories, only part of which was returned by 1945.
                      2. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 10 December 2022 18: 47
                        0
                        I will try to explain to you as simply as possible.

                        The USSR appeared only 5 years after that, and then thanks to some happy circumstances that did not depend on us in any way. Well, there was also a bloody civil war and the loss of territories

                        You are talking about upheavals during the change of power.
                        Russia has a variant without shocks, and only one - the realization by the authorities of the hopes that we have had all these 30 years. The problem is that the path along which she steers all this time leads us to surrender to the enemy and death, everyone has already seen this, there is very little left. In my opinion - to let her steer further - to ruin the country 100% - but.
                        Why, then, had she taxied to her doom all this time, why hadn't she taxied earlier? Trust the last time who deceived you many times?
                        All other options are options with a change of power and they are with shocks. The authorities themselves are to blame for bringing the country to this. To trust her further is irresponsible in relation to ourselves, our children, our future and the future of Russia.
                        If you live in this country - you will understand me
                      3. guest Offline guest
                        guest 10 December 2022 21: 19
                        0
                        Quote: Alexey Davydov
                        and they are shocked.

                        This is not necessary, any shocks are now fatal.
                      4. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 10 December 2022 21: 41
                        0
                        This is not necessary

                        As if where we were taken, we can choose.
                        We can take risks trying to save the country, or we can do nothing and go with the flow, where the Anglo-Saxons direct it, putting pressure on our government. In my opinion, this is a 100% guarantee of death from any point of view. We can already see the edge of the cliff and it is very close.
                        The cliff is a deadly war for us with NATO, which the Anglo-Saxons need. They can untie it at any moment and will definitely do it.
                        Salvation is forcing them to retreat by the threat of annihilation BEFORE it is unleashed.
                        The other day, once again, Putin officially assured the enemy that we would not use nuclear weapons to coerce him - only in a retaliatory strike.
                      5. guest Offline guest
                        guest 10 December 2022 21: 54
                        0
                        Quote: Alexey Davydov
                        trying to save the country

                        And how can a coup d'état save a country?
                      6. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 10 December 2022 22: 11
                        +1
                        Why is a revolution necessary?
                        Just a competent (in all respects) change of power.
                        The new government, having broken the channel of control of us by the Anglo-Saxons, will force them, under the threat of destruction, to withdraw their gang from our borders and roll back the situation to its original positions - approximately what the USSR did in 1962. Further - we will have the opportunity and time to put ourselves in order and complete the SVO.
                        Then we can return to the path of building socialism and, together with China, lay the foundation of a new world socialist system. I think that in this case, China will help us in state building. Together with other socialist countries, we will take our place in all-round defense for building a just society on the planet, as an alternative to the global fascism of the Anglo-Saxons
                      7. Mordvin 3 Offline Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 (Vladimir) 10 December 2022 22: 22
                        0
                        Quote: Alexey Davydov
                        The new government, having broken the channel of control of us by the Anglo-Saxons, will force them, under the threat of destruction, to withdraw their gang from our borders and roll back the situation to its original positions - approximately what the USSR did in 1962.

                        Silenok is not enough.
                      8. guest Offline guest
                        guest 10 December 2022 23: 44
                        0
                        Why, fortunately, we still have nuclear weapons.
                      9. Mordvin 3 Offline Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 (Vladimir) 11 December 2022 00: 21
                        0
                        The USSR did not use nuclear weapons. Except at the landfills. Recalling notes from the Pravda newspaper: "In order to peacefully study the atom, an underground explosion with a capacity of so many kilotons was carried out at the Novaya Zemlya test site ..." And what did the USSR do in the 62nd year?
                      10. guest Offline guest
                        guest 11 December 2022 00: 24
                        0
                        Yes, he did not use it, but he threatened, and this threat has always cooled the ardor of the West.
                      11. Mordvin 3 Offline Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 (Vladimir) 11 December 2022 00: 29
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                        Quote: guest
                        Yes, he did not use it, but he threatened, and this threat has always cooled the ardor of the West.

                        This is when Khrushch mutilated the UN tribune with a boot or what? Well, Putin drew red lines. Only all these lines did not care. Corn maker Khrushch turned out to be much more convincing.
                      12. guest Offline guest
                        guest 11 December 2022 00: 38
                        0
                        No, Khrushchev delivered missiles to Cuba from where they could wipe the east coast of the United States from the face of the earth at any moment.
                      13. Mordvin 3 Offline Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 (Vladimir) 11 December 2022 00: 48
                        +1
                        I put it, yes. The current government is incapable of doing this. Yes, and the Cubans will scratch their turnips and say: "Do we need it?" What is the difference between capitalist America and capitalist Russia? The United States will be stronger in every way than Russia, this is not the USSR. The USSR plied the vastness of all oceans, and now our priorities are the Northern Sea Route, where there is no one besides polar bears on ice floes. The only thing left to do is scare them.
                      14. guest Offline guest
                        guest 11 December 2022 00: 57
                        0
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        The current government is incapable of doing this.

                        Here I am about that.
                      15. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 11 December 2022 02: 04
                        0
                        Here I am about that.

                        Here I am about it
                    2. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 11 December 2022 01: 57
                      0
                      First - In 1962, the USSR did not wield a boot, but fired the world's first "warning shot" with a R-14U missile with a thermonuclear warhead from the Aginsky test site across the country across the experimental field of the test site on Novaya Zemlya with a standard detonation of a nuclear charge as part of the Tulip exercise on the day unloading the first batch of missiles in Cuba. It was the first US nuclear deterrence operation and was successful.
                      Second We don't need Cuba now. In those years, it solved another problem - the United States from Turkey and Italy were able to deliver a "decapitating" blow to the USSR.
                      The advanced division in Cuba "balanced" this situation by the fact that it was given the right to make an independent decision on the launch.
                      Now the issue of a decapitating strike from the United States is not yet so acute, and to intimidate us, it is enough to start a nuclear war on their territory and conventional ground-based missiles. The enemy will be sentenced at the moment of launch. As for the retaliatory strike, we were guaranteed to receive it even in the Caribbean crisis. The Americans were then defeated by our readiness to start a nuclear war on their territory no matter what (the threat of mutual destruction) and the impossibility of decapitating the USSR without unacceptable consequences.
                      Here is a link to an article that discusses the Caribbean crisis in terms of its current experience:
                      https://dzen.ru/media/id/5fe624c58b9da069054d7540/karibskii-krizis-tainik-s-orujiem-kotoroe-pobedilo-60b75136e8a8c866ff376596
                      And here is a link to a declassified Soviet film about the Tulip exercises:
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_mTreC42xs
      2. guest Offline guest
        guest 10 December 2022 23: 44
        +1
        Based on what they read, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation should come to power, only they discredited themselves back in 1996.
      3. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 11 December 2022 01: 22
        0
        Of course, it is necessary to create a new mass ruling people's party instead of all existing ones.
        On the other hand, why can't healthy forces from them flow into it on an equal footing?
        The people will work in the new party. Before his eyes and with his participation, the natural selection of healthy forces will take place in the work.
        A single mass ruling party is necessary to unite all healthy political forces and people in the common work of building the country
      4. guest Offline guest
        guest 11 December 2022 01: 43
        0
        Quote: Alexey Davydov
        Of course, it is necessary to create a new mass ruling people's party instead of all existing ones.

        But while you will create this party, who should rule the country?
      5. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 11 December 2022 10: 22
        0
        Usually, for these purposes, a transitional government is created, using existing tools and gradually replacing them with new ones. No one needs extra shocks.
        Think so
      6. guest Offline guest
        guest 11 December 2022 13: 58
        0
        During the war, the transitional period is definitely suicide. The enemy will sit and wait until this government is formed?
      7. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 11 December 2022 14: 36
        0
        During the war, the transitional period is definitely suicide.

        If the threat of annihilation is put forward ahead of time, a real war will not begin. The enemy will be deterred from active action and forced to retreat.
        On the contrary - voluntarily follow the enemy's lead to where he is going to kill you - 100% guarantee

        The enemy will sit and wait until this government is formed?

        To save yourself you have to "move your butt", but how else?
      8. guest Offline guest
        guest 11 December 2022 15: 43
        0
        Quote: Alexey Davydov
        To save yourself you have to "move your butt", but how else?

        No matter how quickly they move something there, the fifth column is always ready to take advantage of even the smallest power vacuum.
      9. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 11 December 2022 18: 36
        0
        the fifth column is always ready to take advantage of even the smallest power vacuum

        You want everything to be simple, but otherwise do not agree. And who asks for your consent?
        You did not leave the school because of the difficult tasks of the program. Imagine that you and all your loved ones will be gone in 2-3 years. Is this not enough to "move your ass and brains"? Or are you writing this not from Russia?
      10. guest Offline guest
        guest 11 December 2022 18: 52
        0
        Quote: Alexey Davydov
        You and all your loved ones in 2-3 years WILL NOT BE.

        But if another unrest begins in the country, then in 2-3 days there will be no one alive in Russia.
      11. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 11 December 2022 19: 55
        0
        And I, and probably many, NEED our Motherland to live on
      12. guest Offline guest
        guest 11 December 2022 19: 59
        0
        Here you contradict yourself, on the one hand, you are ready to risk the appearance of unrest, and on the other hand, you want Russia to live.
      13. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 11 December 2022 20: 08
        0
        You don't get out of contradictions:

        the fifth column is always ready to take advantage of even the smallest power vacuum

        So fight it, not the people who will pull the country out of the pit. After all, he works for you too, for your future, and the future of your children.
        And what are you fighting for? For the stability of rolling into the abyss?
        For the fact that the country had no chance of salvation?
        Live quietly for 2-3 years, and die along with everyone within the framework of the instructions?
      14. guest Offline guest
        guest 11 December 2022 20: 14
        0
        And where is my conflict? I am just consistent, you are calling for the overthrow of power, no matter if it is good or bad, but this is a bloody process and in the presence of a still strong external enemy, it is simply like death.
  8. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 12 December 2022 05: 20
    0
    Sorry.
    Aleksey just, stupidly, give the statistics of those killed from the age of 17 and not too far after 23. Look horrified and recognize the words of the guest that it was suicide. Do you want victims at the hands of the people's mass party? So that the rest would work hard on this party in three shifts until they die? To then begin to cut this massive turning into massive heaps of corpses? Why do you keep talking about what can not be in principle? Do you really not understand or perfectly understand that your mass people's party is a gang of murderers poisoned by fascist ideology? Admit it already that this ideology is close to you in essence.
  9. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 14 December 2022 20: 38
    -1
    There is no fascism in democracy. This is evidenced by the glorious history of the USSR.
    However, every time the enemies brought Russia to the brink of destruction, she really had to go through upheavals and hardships. Putting the blame on those who pulled her out, raised her and put her on her feet is a well-known method of denigrating our history.
    In defining fascism, you use sources based on the traditional Western view, which sees no difference between the fascism of Nazi Germany and the socialism of the USSR, which liberated the world in 1945.
    The fact that you rely on this issue not on the domestic, but on the Western tradition, speaks of your true socio-cultural orientation.
  • Peace Peace. Offline Peace Peace.
    Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 8 December 2022 14: 48
    +3
    People with Russian surnames and bearers of Orthodoxy will be destroyed or imprisoned in the reservation. All troubles will be blamed and all dogs will be hung on the Russians as scapegoats, Orthodoxy will be declared a terrorist organization and may be banned as a nation that has failed to "reason". It may turn out that being called Russian will become something of a household name, and the Anglo-Saxons know how to organize this in case of victory (8 years of Ukraine). So the struggle is for the very existence of the Russian world, and illusions on this score are not appropriate, I think so.
  • Oleg V. Offline Oleg V.
    Oleg V. (Oleg Vladimirovich) 8 December 2022 17: 05
    0
    And they need to be killed. Divide Russia, reduce the population - blow it up with his family. The rest will think about whether to open the mouth. You might think that the secret services cannot do this.
    1. paramaribo55 kmt (paramaribo55 kmt) 8 December 2022 20: 01
      +2
      Who are you going to kill and blow up?
      1. Oleg V. Offline Oleg V.
        Oleg V. (Oleg Vladimirovich) 8 December 2022 21: 34
        +1
        The one who wants to divide Russia and reduce the population.
        1. paramaribo55 kmt (paramaribo55 kmt) 8 December 2022 21: 50
          +1
          It's clear. I support.
        2. Mordvin 3 Offline Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 (Vladimir) 11 December 2022 05: 40
          0
          Quote: Oleg Vladimirovich
          The one who wants to divide Russia and reduce the population.

          All that matters is to wait for the next congress of the Bilderberg Club and slander them with a dagger.
  • rish Offline rish
    rish (Rish) 9 December 2022 02: 29
    0
    They covet the natural resources of our oligarchs..?
    1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
      Michael L. 9 December 2022 13: 15
      0
      No: they only covet their ... assets and yachts! ;-(
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  • Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 8 December 2022 15: 55
    -4
    Who is interested in imposing negotiations? We present the facts.
  • anti-aircraft gunner 8 December 2022 09: 34
    +6
    Quote: Trampoline area instructor
    I don't like these collective terms like "power" or "people".

    Quite right. But to name specific names is more expensive for yourself. They can be sued for defamation. That is why I call the supreme power the Politburo. There are no personalities, but everyone understands that. In general, at least call it a pot, if only the aspirations of ordinary and difficult people reached our rulers. It is necessary to finish off the Ukronazi reptile until it is completely destroyed in its lair!
    1. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 8 December 2022 23: 29
      0
      if only the aspirations of ordinary and difficult people reached our rulers.

      Help from the President: what changed in the life of Russians after contacting the Direct Line
      How the problems of people who talked with the head of state were solved in different years

      You can find this TASS material on the Internet.
      1. anti-aircraft gunner 13 December 2022 09: 12
        0
        I don't like these reports. Usually they are customized for their own purposes.
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 8 December 2022 23: 58
      -2
      Anti-aircraft gunner, what are our soldiers doing there now? Already, they say, more than a hundred thousand destroyed Ukronazi reptiles. And we haven't even started yet.
      1. Mordvin 3 Offline Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 (Vladimir) 11 December 2022 05: 42
        0
        And when are you going to start?
        1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 12 December 2022 05: 32
          0
          Mordvin, and we are going and will start as soon as the president orders. Maybe tomorrow, maybe next year. Irrelevant.
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    3. guest Offline guest
      guest 10 December 2022 15: 18
      +1
      Quote: Anti-aircraft gunner
      if only the aspirations of ordinary and difficult people reached our rulers.

      No, it will never reach them. It is more important that they realize that if they lose, they certainly will not survive.
      1. anti-aircraft gunner 13 December 2022 09: 15
        0
        I don't want to go to extremes.
        1. guest Offline guest
          guest 13 December 2022 14: 55
          0
          Quote: Anti-aircraft gunner
          I don't want to go to extremes.

          To what extremes?
          1. anti-aircraft gunner 13 December 2022 19: 09
            0
            About survive. They can be prosecuted for calling for the overthrow of state power. But I do not call for this!
            1. guest Offline guest
              guest 13 December 2022 19: 44
              0
              Quote: Anti-aircraft gunner
              call for the overthrow of government

              And who is calling? I am stating the facts, there are many examples of countries that have lost to the West, and everywhere the West has carried out a brutal reprisal against the authorities.
  • Pro100 Online Pro100
    Pro100 (Vladimir Babaev) 8 December 2022 10: 09
    +7
    We will be able to win this war after we officially condemn the actions of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, since they became the founders of everything that happens.
    1. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
      ivan2022 (ivan2022) 8 December 2022 15: 05
      +2
      Here are those on! "Condemn Yeltsin officially?"

      Yeltsin and the Belovezhskaya agreement were officially condemned in a resolution of the State Duma of the Russian Federation of March 15, 1996. They even pointed to the corpus delicti under Art. treason.

      But after that, the people recognized Yeltsin as President .... And now, what - in the second round?

      Waking up ... twirling an ox ... The people elected, the people get what they deserve .....
      1. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
        vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 9 December 2022 19: 18
        +2
        "Condemn Yeltsin officially?" Only the court can condemn, make a judgment. There was no trial on the state coup of the USSR and the liquidation of the USSR.
      2. guest Offline guest
        guest 13 December 2022 14: 56
        0
        Quote: ivan2022
        But the people after that recognized Yeltsin as President

        When did people recognize this? Don't speak for the people.
    2. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 8 December 2022 15: 34
      +1
      Then it is better to start with the condemnation of Nicholas II and the Provisional Government. lol
      1. Pro100 Online Pro100
        Pro100 (Vladimir Babaev) 8 December 2022 20: 05
        0
        Nicholas ll and the Provisional Government were once condemned and won the Civil and Patriotic Wars, and they could have won the Cold War if they themselves had not surrendered.
        1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 9 December 2022 00: 04
          0
          Oh, you be logical, huh. It turns out that the Cold War was not condemned and therefore not won. That is, they didn’t even try to fight, but they took it and surrendered themselves ...
          Lord, I heard a lot of things, but this ...
    3. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 9 December 2022 00: 00
      -1
      Pro - Condemned and immediately won. Damn what for was the troops to enter?
    4. guest Offline guest
      guest 10 December 2022 15: 20
      0
      To condemn these criminals is, of course, correct, but only one conviction will not change anything.
  • Rainy Offline Rainy
    Rainy 8 December 2022 10: 24
    0
    Quote: paramaribo55 kmt
    That is, Russia will end, it will be divided into zones of occupation, half of the population will be destroyed, the remaining half will be deprived of all rights and turned into slaves,

    There will be no such thing. No destruction, no slavery. Why? Because if Russia falters, then China is next in line. China will look at the Russian genocide and then in the war against the West it will stand to the death.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 9 December 2022 00: 09
      -2
      Rainy shortest joke - Russian Genocide! Russians (Russians) either exist or not. The living are unacceptable, the dead are not shameful! So it was, is and will always be in the history of Russia. Remember just in case.
    2. Amper Offline Amper
      Amper (Vlad) 10 December 2022 13: 41
      0
      O! Speaking for China is not a grateful thing! What is on the mind of Great China is not for us orphans to judge. request Decisions, of course, will not be easy.
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 8 December 2022 10: 59
    +1
    Empty stretches.
    One has only to look at the definition of "Patriotic", and everything will immediately become clear
  • rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 8 December 2022 11: 45
    +9
    judging by how long it took the military-political leadership to come to the realization of the need for mobilization, then Putin will probably take the next step in a year, he is preparing to start fighting. Previously, all his blunders were justified by all sorts of KhPP, but after Merkel's confession about Minsk2, it became finally clear that the person did not adequately assess the situation
    1. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 8 December 2022 13: 27
      +3
      it became finally clear that a person completely inadequately assesses the situation

      ...or is playing for someone else's interests
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 9 December 2022 00: 12
      -1
      Rotkiv you instead of Putin, you would immediately see through everyone and Merkel in the first place. So you're not our president, are you?
      1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
        rotkiv04 (Victor) 9 December 2022 12: 11
        +2
        Quote: Ignatov Oleg Georgievich
        Rotkiv you instead of Putin, you would immediately see through everyone and Merkel in the first place. So you're not our president, are you?

        Oleg Georgievich, thank you for appreciating my humble person, but not only I, like a sofa expert, saw through the Minsk agreement, they talked about it and wrote about it on this resource and in many other places. Yes, you know everything.
        1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 12 December 2022 05: 46
          0
          Rotkiv, if you exclude from your vocabulary - an agreement - your words will only benefit from this. It was no secret to anyone why and to whom these Minsks were beneficial. They were beneficial to everyone. And everyone knew perfectly well how to use the truce. And everyone used it to the fullest. And Merkel, it seems to me, is promoting herself by posing as wise and even smarter than everyone !!! even smarter than Putin! Funny! Do you know why? Yes, against the backdrop of global Russophobia, her political competitors could easily accuse her of supporting the Russians. Can you imagine? I don’t remember exactly who was the first to say that Poroshenko or Merkel had deceived Putin? Say Poroshenko. Well, here it was just necessary to subscribe to a larger figure. I won’t be surprised that after these, Monsieur Macron and Stammaer will open up. Brief concert.
  • Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 8 December 2022 11: 45
    +8
    According to many analysts, the most effective of them will be the transition to an all-out war with Ukraine, which will require a complete revision of the essence of the NWO. And in light of this, giving the operation the status of a Patriotic War looks very likely.

    Again twenty-five.
    Well, what kind of Patriotic War can be with a sapper shovel? Call her Great. Ukraine is only a tool in the hands of our enemy. He himself needs to declare the Patriotic War, here is the name, just in place.
    Destroying ALL the forces and tools that the enemy can gather in the world is a hopeless and deadly task. This is idiotism, and - militant. This is the path that the Anglo-Saxons themselves are pushing us to bleed us in a safe environment. It is necessary to FORCE them to retreat - those who brewed all this mess, and is its owner, there is SIMPLY NO other option!
    In the meantime, they beat us with this sapper shovel, and we conduct diplomacy with them, supply them with everything they need, supply them with money, and reassure us that we will not allow a nuclear war.
    Those who are doing this with us are the very authorities from which the author expects a call for the Patriotic War - the circle is closed.
    Answer yourself - where do we need to start?
    1. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 8 December 2022 13: 43
      +1
      I think that the authorities and the media are "shifting arrows" from the Anglo-Saxons to Ukraine deliberately. There can be two reasons:
      - cowardice in front of a stronger opponent and irresponsibility in assessing its consequences
      - consciously following the plan of this enemy, or giving in to his pressure (which is the same)
      Maybe all together
      1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 9 December 2022 00: 24
        -2
        Alexei whom do you mean by - a stronger opponent? Name at least one so that our country is scared in front of him, or can you give at least one example from the glorious History of our country, wherever Russia - Russians, chickened out. So talk and don't talk.
        1. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 9 December 2022 02: 32
          +3
          Name at least one so that our country is scared in front of him, or can you give at least one example from the glorious History of our country, wherever Russia - Russians, chickened out.

          Our government is cowardly (to put it mildly) in front of the USA and Great Britain. This is by no means happening in a "glorious history", and now there is nothing "glorious" in it.
          This manifests itself in the fact that:

          we conduct diplomacy with them, supply them with everything they need, supply them with money, and reassure them that we will not allow a nuclear war.

          without forcing them to withdraw their gang from us.
          The national composition of those who are cowards with us is unknown to me
          1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 12 December 2022 05: 56
            0
            Alexey, what is it? Where did you pick up this nonsense - ... and we reassure that we will not allow a nuclear war. Damn...yes, give me at least one piece of evidence from the mouth of Putin where he would say such nonsense. Are you against the diplomatic service? Against the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Russian ambassadors around the world? Are these blanks of the functionality of your mass people's party already manifesting themselves? What a utopia!
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 9 December 2022 00: 20
      -6
      Alexey, tell all the narrow-minded, how will you force the Anglo-Saxons and their master to retreat? Are you by any chance Lord of the Rings?
      1. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 9 December 2022 02: 40
        +4
        The method has been known since 1962 and do not poke if you want to communicate with you
  • vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 8 December 2022 12: 02
    0
    The name of the fighting is NWO, not war. There is no Presidential Decree or Law of the Russian Federation with respect to Ukraine, there is a reference to the UN Charter, which is not a legislative document for the Russian Federation. What happens in Ukraine without a legislative document? Each has its own name. What to discuss.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 9 December 2022 00: 26
      -3
      Vlad, can you cite the text from the UN Charter so as not to be a laughing stock here for your words?
      And if you are not aware of all the laws prescribed in the UN Charter, all participating countries must comply, and Russia, as the successor of the USSR, is one of the founders of the UN, all the more so. Learning is light, ignorance is darkness!
      1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
        Michael L. 9 December 2022 13: 24
        +1
        Treaties - Laws do not establish!

        The UN Charter is an international treaty that establishes the international organization of the United Nations.

        Putin signed laws on the priority of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

        Dec 8 2020 - According to the new legal norms, in Russia "it is not allowed to apply the rules of international treaties of the Russian Federation in their interpretation."

        The State Duma in the third, final reading adopted the presidential law on the priority of the Constitution of Russia over the norms of international law.
  • Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 8 December 2022 12: 05
    +6
    The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation were built on the basis of a global confrontation with NATO and small mobile forces to combat terrorist semi-partisan forces.
    The first successes are explained by the suddenness of the start of the NMD in all directions where the Armed Forces of Ukraine were not ready for hostilities - Pan Zelensky until the last did not believe Biden's warnings about the concentration of Russian troops along the entire border from Kharkov to Crimea and a possible invasion.
    The calculation of the support of the NMD of millions who hate the existing regime in Ukraine has clearly not materialized.
    The result was the abandonment of the occupied territories and the concentration of military and diplomatic efforts on the new regions accepted into the Russian Federation.
    Today we have NATO expansion, increased nazification and militarization of Ukraine, Russophobia, political and economic blockade, and we are no longer talking about victory on the battlefield, but about options for completing the NMD and measures to prevent war with NATO.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 8 December 2022 16: 11
      -1
      And who says these speeches - options for completing the NWO and measures to prevent a war with NATO? Mosh people still do not understand with whom our army is fighting on the territory of Ukraine? We have been at war with NATO from the very beginning of the NWO! What other language is it in?
      1. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 10 December 2022 17: 55
        0
        We are at war with NATO from the very beginning of the NWO! What other language is it in?

        In English. So it will be more natural, because it is a lie. The goal is to divert attention from the owners of this war, the Anglo-Saxons, who are the owners of both Ukraine and NATO. It is they who are interested in drawing Russia into this war with NATO, making it inevitable. Substituting their vassals under our blow, they solve several problems at once. The main ones are to destroy Russia by proxy and weaken Europe in order to enslave it along with its industry.
        In fact, we are at war with the Anglo-Saxons and we are well aware of this. From them, and not from their weapons, we should seek a retreat. Anything else is stupidity useful to our enemy
        1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 12 December 2022 08: 34
          -1
          Alexey, where are these Anglo-Saxons? And then, from your words, these are some kind of semi-mythical creatures that seem to exist (they are talked about) and seem to not exist (but they are known about) Location.
  • anti-aircraft gunner 8 December 2022 12: 14
    +3
    Quote: rainy
    China will look at the Russian genocide

    And he will silently sit on the banks of the Yangtze, waiting for the corpse of the enemy to float by. The Chinese are still cunning. Now, if the war goes on at their borders, as with Korea, then they will harness themselves to little green men and they will not be there.
    1. Pro100 Online Pro100
      Pro100 (Vladimir Babaev) 9 December 2022 20: 46
      0
      In fact, the PRC is a people's republic, led by the Communist Party and in terms of the people's army, things are simpler there. That's what it's called.
  • Andrey Andreev_2 (Andrey Andreev) 8 December 2022 12: 29
    +9
    The lack of social justice in the country will not allow the people to unite under this leadership!!
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 9 December 2022 00: 36
      -6
      Andrei, what kind of social justice are you talking about? You are already on specific examples, otherwise it is not clear what you mean by social justice. I do not see and have not seen any social injustice throughout my life - 67 years. Are you special?
  • kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 8 December 2022 12: 40
    +8
    To begin with, the authorities should work for the interests of the country, and not for those who illegally took possession of all the country's wealth. And perestroika began only in the military-industrial complex.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 8 December 2022 16: 19
      -9
      Who illegally took possession of all the wealth of the country? The names and the list of wealth are listed. Otherwise, it's just chatter and demogogy.
      1. kriten Offline kriten
        kriten (Vladimir) 11 December 2022 12: 27
        0
        I don’t understand what you are doing in Russia, who you are betting on, that you are hoping for our loss. Run before it's too late. Otherwise, you’ll write out a ticket for yourself like Yashin for 8 years. You’re an alarmist who doesn’t see for himself how you write more than one opportunity, except to scold everything.
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 9 December 2022 00: 39
      -5
      Kriten, I seem to have asked a simple question. Try to answer if there is something to answer. If not, delete your comment and don't be embarrassed.
  • guest Offline guest
    guest 8 December 2022 14: 16
    +5
    The "Red Line" has been passed: is the government ready to declare Patriotic War?

    The red line has been crossed almost a year ago, but the authorities are not ready for anything other than useless chatter.
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 8 December 2022 16: 22
      -8
      If the authorities declare martial law in the country, then none of the abusers of power will be here on the same day. The authorities will send all of you to the front line!
    2. guest Offline guest
      guest 8 December 2022 16: 51
      +6
      Yes, enough of the advanced to scare, even without mobilization, the government has a huge number of opportunities, but it does not use any of them.
      1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 8 December 2022 22: 16
        -6
        I don’t scare the advanced, I just really look at what is happening both in the country and in the world.
        Huge amount of possibilities? In such cases, they usually ask - Bring at least one!
        1. guest Offline guest
          guest 8 December 2022 23: 30
          +1
          Quote: Ignatov Oleg Georgievich
          Bring at least one

          Yes, bomb all this Ukraine to hell.
          1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 12 December 2022 08: 46
            0
            guest, bomb all this Ukraine to hell?
            God's God. It's good that we don't have such politicians or such military men! What are you carrying, huh? But I understand you, but... no way! We are Russians, not fascists. You can give me minuses, I don’t care, I’m already tired of writing here that we are one people. We are not one nation, neither with the Poles nor with the Germans, nor the French, nor the Spaniards ... continue? Now, if we were at war with them, then bombing would be a priority. There is no. By the way, do you have relatives in Ukraine? I have. Bomb them to hell?
            1. guest Offline guest
              guest 12 December 2022 14: 24
              0
              Quote: Ignatov Oleg Georgievich
              Do you have relatives in Ukraine?

              Yes, I will say more, I myself was born there and lived for some time. As a person who knows all this ... from the inside I can judge this better than others.
  • Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 8 December 2022 15: 45
    -2
    What does the author suggest? Start carpet bombing of Ukrainian cities with the local population? Is he out of his mind?
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 8 December 2022 16: 48
      0
      And the Americans are sane, because they do it all the time.
      1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 8 December 2022 22: 19
        -3
        That's when the Americans start carpet bombing their states with the population, then cite them as an example.
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    2. paramaribo55 kmt (paramaribo55 kmt) 8 December 2022 20: 20
      +7
      This is a war, not a sports match. To win, all means are acceptable. The stakes are going up. If it is necessary to bomb Lvov, Ivano-Frankivsk, Vinnitsa, then this must be done. Fighting in white gloves, we will lose our people and territories.
      1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 9 December 2022 00: 55
        -1
        Paramaribo, strongly disagree! Russia, and I am 100% sure of this, first of all needs to maintain an adequate population, and only then the question is about the territories. If the ukrofascist holds a knife at the throat of the population, then the population will be for both Hitler and Bandera, but at least for the hell of a bald man! We will come and destroy the ukrofascist bandits and the population will vote in a referendum for the entry of their territories into the Russian Federation.
        Yes, it is difficult, yes with losses, but it cannot be otherwise in principle! We are one people and very soon we will judge together those who started this mess on our ancestral lands.
        1. paramaribo55 kmt (paramaribo55 kmt) 9 December 2022 03: 59
          +2
          When the territories of the USSR, the occupied regions of the RSFSR, Belarus, Ukraine, the Baltic states, Moldova, were recaptured from the German fascists, the Soviet military command launched bombing and artillery strikes on our own cities occupied by the Germans and no one objected to this, it is necessary, then it is necessary, it’s coming war, the enemy must be destroyed...period! We must protect the lives of our soldiers, there are not so many of them, we are not Chinese. And let the population take care of their safety, leave, hide and TD. Of course there will be a trial, but for now it is necessary to win.
  • mechanic Offline mechanic
    mechanic (Yuri) 8 December 2022 16: 05
    +4
    The author does not understand the situation in which Russia finds itself at all.
    There can be no talk of any Patriotic War. GDP announced the mobilization of 300 thousand people. immediately twice as many, according to some sources, pulled off abroad.
    And if he mobilizes 1 million?
    This is to the issue of supporting NWO by the population.
    And without the motivation of the people, all these attempts are useless - a waste of human lives and resources.
    And by the way, the Politburo has already understood this, which is logical, because they have all the real information on the NWO, unlike us.
    I see that now the authorities have reached a dead end and do not understand how to get out of the situation in which they have driven us.
    For now, it looks like they are just playing for time in the hope that something will miraculously change - a popular revolution in Ukraine, popular riots in the EU, China will attack Taiwan and the West will not be up to us, or some other miracle will happen.
    So nothing much will change until spring.
    But with the arrival of the warm season of 2023, serious shifts can already be expected: the GDP with a new presidency will already be determined there, the election campaign will begin, Ukrainians will already get tired of the war, and many will begin to return from Europe. And most importantly, our people will somehow decide whether they don’t like uncertainty: either the position of the cheers of the patriots will win to go and fight NATO to the end, or the position of the liberals - to return everything as it was before the NWO ...
    1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 9 December 2022 01: 01
      -4
      Mechanic, if you do not understand the meaning of the CBO, then these are your problems, there is nothing to answer for all the people. Nobody authorized you. If it is not clear what our president said, then I will tell you - Accession of the liberated territories of the former Ukraine to the Russian Federation. Nothing else exists in nature.
      1. Mordvin 3 Offline Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 (Vladimir) 11 December 2022 04: 57
        0
        Quote: Ignatov Oleg Georgievich
        Accession of the liberated territories of the former Ukraine to the Russian Federation. Nothing else exists in nature.

        Do they want us to be free? Something I don’t see Kovpak’s partisan detachments blowing up echelons in the rear of the Ukrainian troops.
  • Rainy Offline Rainy
    Rainy 8 December 2022 16: 48
    0
    Quote: Anti-aircraft gunner
    Quote: rainy
    China will look at the Russian genocide

    And he will silently sit on the banks of the Yangtze, waiting for the corpse of the enemy to float by. The Chinese are still cunning. Now, if the war goes on at their borders, as with Korea, then they will harness themselves to little green men and they will not be there.

    You obviously misunderstood the meaning of my previous post. Re-read it.
    It's not about them interceding for us. And that, having looked at what they did to us, they will fight for themselves to the last Chinese. And there are many Chinese. There the West will overstrain.

    Therefore, in order not to drive China into a corner, no one will destroy the Russians.
    1. paramaribo55 kmt (paramaribo55 kmt) 8 December 2022 20: 26
      +2
      America and Europe consider themselves the rulers of the World, so there are no moral restrictions for them. Even how they will destroy, especially since these plans to reduce the population and fragmentation of the country have been voiced many times.
      1. Rainy Offline Rainy
        Rainy 8 December 2022 20: 43
        +1
        And where are the moral restrictions?
        They cannot win the war against China. China, frightened by the fate of Russia, will fight to the death, but they will not, because the level of motivation will be different. Plus, there are just more Chinese.
        So they will not be able to defeat China militarily.
        1. paramaribo55 kmt (paramaribo55 kmt) 8 December 2022 20: 54
          0
          Well, it's a little naian to argue that there are more Chinese and they will fight to the death. The population of China is approximately comparable to the population of the USA, Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and other English-speaking countries + Japan, an ally of the West. Approximately a billion per billion, but the West has more potential and territories.
          1. Rainy Offline Rainy
            Rainy 8 December 2022 21: 45
            0
            And will it be worth it? The question is the price that the West will have to pay for the war with China. There is such a thing as "unacceptable damage"
            1. guest Offline guest
              guest 8 December 2022 22: 05
              +2
              Quote: rainy
              The question is the price the West will have to pay

              They print money there in such a way that they can pay any amount without any problems.
        2. Pro100 Online Pro100
          Pro100 (Vladimir Babaev) 9 December 2022 20: 52
          0
          In fact, the PRC is a people's republic, led by the Communist Party and in terms of the people's army, things are simpler there. It's called the PLA.
    2. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 9 December 2022 01: 13
      -2
      Rainy well, you and Yula! On the one hand, they will look at what they have done to us and no one will destroy the Russians. Do you understand what you are writing? Russians are already being destroyed, and Russians are simply destroying Russians by an order of magnitude more. So no one asks to intercede for us. We ourselves will deal with the ukrofascists and everyone who will deal with them ourselves. China is generally what side?
  • wladimirjankov Offline wladimirjankov
    wladimirjankov (Vladimir Yankov) 8 December 2022 16: 55
    +8
    Now it becomes quite clear that the SVO should have been started in 2014, but Putin did not dare to do this. He was afraid of sanctions, he was seduced by the obvious deception of the West and the leadership of Ukraine when concluding the Minsk agreements. No one was going to fulfill them initially, as it turned out now, except for us. They just needed time to prepare for war with us. And we gave them that time. They were ready and we weren't. They only complained, puffed out their cheeks, threatened with a finger. We lived in illusions and hopes. The lesson from the history of Yanukovych did not teach Putin anything. And when finally, after 8 years, it became clear to him that he had been deceived and the war was inevitable, he decided to act. He announced the SVO, a mediocre and ill-conceived plan, which was developed, it seems in a hurry, by his no less gifted and adequate many star generals and the Ministry of Defense. They probably hoped that the history of the Crimea would miraculously repeat itself. But the blitzkrieg did not happen. Because he was simply not prepared in all respects, adventurous and not strategically and tactically verified. Without closing the western and sea borders of Ukraine, without prior destruction of its entire infrastructure, including energy, gas, water and heat supply, communication lines, communications, the main industrial enterprises of the military-industrial complex, TV, the Internet, communications, the banking system, points and bases of deployment of military units, control centers , air defense, without carrying out partial mobilization, to bring our untrained, small and poorly organized troops there in columns was a big mistake. We did not take advantage of the possibility of a sudden, massive and disarming strike. They gave the Nazis a chance to recover, mobilize, get help from the West and seize the military and political initiative. We missed the time again. Now, if we want to win, we need to radically change the approaches to conducting this SVO. Call a spade a spade i.e. war. Declare general mobilization of both the army and the rear. In all our neighboring regions with Ukraine and in Ukraine itself, introduce martial law. Take harsh penalties up to the death penalty for treason, espionage, desertion, draft evasion, sabotage and sabotage, voluntary surrender and leaving positions without orders. Change the command of the army and navy and the General Staff for mistakes and lack of professionalism in the preparation and conduct of the NWO. Do not constantly look to the West, act tough, competently and decisively. Then we will return Ukraine, which we thoughtlessly once gave into the hands of our enemies. This is Russian land, for which our ancestors shed a sea of ​​blood and it is our duty to return it back, no matter how difficult it may be.
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 8 December 2022 17: 02
      +5
      Quote: wladimirjankov
      Now it becomes quite clear that the SVO should have started in 2014

      Why now, it was clear to me back in 2014.
    2. Rainy Offline Rainy
      Rainy 8 December 2022 17: 11
      +1
      To carry out a general mobilization of the country, personnel are needed. Let's start with the Minister of Defense. Who do you personally see in this post?
      1. old sargent Offline old sargent
        old sargent (Oleg) 8 December 2022 18: 58
        +3
        No, the minister is too small .... you need to take higher
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 8 December 2022 17: 21
    +5
    Again, someone is itching without a win ....
    How many times have the authorities explained to the stubborn - we do not have a war. We drive gas and diesel fuel to NATO (and that one to Ukraine), and nothing.
    And "Dotechestvennaya" - when did the Power legally protect itself from mobilization? cynicism and more
  • Rainy Offline Rainy
    Rainy 8 December 2022 17: 30
    +7
    Quote: Sergey Latyshev
    And "Dotechestvennaya" - when did the Power legally protect itself from mobilization? cynicism and more

    Exactly. Something in the NWO zone is not observed the sons of Medvedev, Peskov and Solovyov. A simple Vanya should go to the NWO zone instead of them.
    1. Valera75 Offline Valera75
      Valera75 (Valery) 8 December 2022 20: 10
      +1
      Quote: rainy
      Exactly. Something in the NWO zone is not observed the sons of Medvedev, Peskov and Solovyov. A simple Vanya should go to the NWO zone instead of them.

      There are already 300 tons of Ivanovs, and so I think they will still need the same amount, if not more.
      1. Rainy Offline Rainy
        Rainy 8 December 2022 20: 46
        0
        It doesn't matter how many Ivanovs there will be, at least 300, at least 000 million. As long as the army does not have a strong rear and motivation, it will not be able to resist the enemy, who has all this. And the Ukrainians have a strong rear and motivation.
  • Vox_Populi Offline Vox_Populi
    Vox_Populi (vox populi) 8 December 2022 17: 42
    0
    And according to a number of signs, we see that the idea of ​​renaming the SVO into Patriotic War is now being discussed at the highest level.

    ??? However...
  • Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 8 December 2022 18: 42
    +3
    Surovikin will decide something? - Well, let's see! So far, 0 results.
    General Frost will decide something for us, or maybe together with Surovikin? - So we are at war with those who have this frost below the waist and they wanted to sneeze at him. Yes, and mercenaries that crests are fighting not from Africa, but from those places where winter happens at least not often, but minus 20 and minus 30.
    What will change for the country if we remove the letters NWO and call this war a war or something else? In general, an incomprehensible undertaking. This is tantamount to calling a "drinking" "not a drinking" and that I thereby fight alcoholism.
    They say a lot that Bakhmut will break something and that he is a meat grinder for Ukrainians. Have I already heard this about Mariupol and has it changed something? No, of course, and now we have Bakhmut, then there will be other similar cities, but only if we move forward.
    I’m listening to the president, and when he assures everyone that 300 tons of mobilized people are more than enough, it seems to me that either someone is deceiving him again or he has a plan in which we will gain a foothold somewhere within the current borders and the conflict will half subside. Since 300 tons, of which it’s definitely not 300 tons anymore, many, apart from a knife in an outfit in the dining room, didn’t hold a worse weapon in their hands, and we don’t seem to have another army for the NWO, it definitely won’t be enough, which means that the next waves of mobilization will either be 10 years or more bogged down in this swamp.
    PS: the other day, one of his acquaintances called my friend who left in October and now got to the hospital from near Liman, shell shock and 8 fragments in the body. And this means that crests have no shell hunger.
    PS-2:

    "Red Line" passed:

    they say 2023 will be the year of the red color, are they kidding us?
    1. Rainy Offline Rainy
      Rainy 8 December 2022 20: 52
      +1
      Not so long ago, our President signed a decree that allows you to take on the service ON CALL of foreign citizens. Previously, it was possible only for a contract.

      It seems to me that this was done in order to return all Ukrainians who fled to us from the war back there. And they will not particularly have a choice, since for their own they are already collaborators.
  • Tikhonov Alexander 8 December 2022 18: 49
    +8
    The longer and exactly in this way the so-called SVO continues, the less confidence in the authorities. But to force the Ukronazis to stop the inhuman shelling is simple - to start leveling their mountains with the ground. Shout, shout - and there will be no shelling. But our leader declares that we are one nation with these Nazis, and, apparently, that is why their cities are not bombed. But we are not Nazis! It changes the lives of our guys to occupy some fortified areas - isn't it easier to use 1, 2, 3, 5-ton bombs? Or tactical nuclear warheads? Not only Ukrainians, but also the West will swell. For 8 years he forced Donetsk-Lugansk to unite with the Nazis into a federation, but the people understood that the Nazis would simply muzzle them and refused these Minsk agreements. The reason for the prolongation of the war is understandable - our government is constantly trying to reconcile, to explain to the West that it is the same as they are, so that they allow our moneybags to become on a par with their bigwigs. So it won't happen! The West needs the wealth of our land without local princelings! And the desire of our authorities to lie under some acceptable conditions explains the lack of adequate response to the sinking of the cruiser, and to the explosion of the bridge, and to the destruction of gas pipelines, and to the shelling of our cities, towns ... And what should our people fight for? It is clear that for the Fatherland! Our government is temporary workers. Privatize as much as they can - and fall off like bedbugs ... And we will not wait from this leader for either progressive taxation, or confiscation of loot, or the fight against corruption ... and much more that could make the government more fair.
  • old sargent Offline old sargent
    old sargent (Oleg) 8 December 2022 18: 56
    +3
    Obviously, they understand this at the very top, and therefore, in order to achieve these goals, they will be forced to take new measures.

    No, it's not obvious to me personally.
  • Moscow Offline Moscow
    Moscow 8 December 2022 19: 40
    +2
    Now the United States is again considering the issue of recognizing the Russian Federation as a “State Sponsor of Terrorism”, based on the latest acts of retaliation on the energy system of Ukraine after the Crimean bridge. So far, the government in the Russian Federation listens and thinks about what is happening in Washington and does not make "drastic movements" to finish off Ukraine's key infrastructure. But, Kyiv is provoking another act of retaliation with UAV strikes on the airfields of the Russian Federation and peaceful Donetsk, so that the Russian Federation is recognized in the United States as a terrorist state and Zelensky does not care how the people of Ukraine will live after that. The worse it is in Ukraine, the better for Zelensky. We need a picture of Ukraine as a country of the victim. Hence the provocations and they will hit the Russian Federation in the most painful points. So again, everything depends on the foreign policy and provocations of Kyiv.
  • UAZ 452 Offline UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 (UAZ 452) 8 December 2022 19: 42
    +1
    more and more people are calling for a nationwide uprising not just against neo-Nazism, but for the very future of our Fatherland

    Rebellion, you say? For the future of the Fatherland, this is understandable - all uprisings declare similar goals and objectives. But against whom is the uprising?
  • aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
    aslanxnumx (Aslan) 8 December 2022 19: 48
    +4
    We passed the red lines, blue and white ahead
  • alex.zezin Offline alex.zezin
    alex.zezin (Alexey Zezin) 8 December 2022 20: 10
    -1
    It is necessary to unite against the authorities that are in the Kremlin, then victory over the enemies of Russia will not be far off. In the Kremlin, real in. there are agents who are destroying Russia from the inside.
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 8 December 2022 20: 21
      -5
      Rake 1917 and 1991 haunt?
      1. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
        ivan2022 (ivan2022) 9 December 2022 03: 57
        +2
        Quote: guest
        Rake 1917 and 1991 haunt?

        A rake is a tricky thing.

        Whoever sits and is silent for 30 years and chooses shame, because he wisely thinks: "If only there were no war and revolution," the course of History takes out a rake.

        As one Jew who left for Israel said:

        Russia, of course, is a fabulously rich country, but the existence of the Russian people makes us remember the saying "it is better to lose with a smart than to find with a fool."

        It was necessary for them, but so to "equip" the richest country in the World ... . For some dancers, their own balls are worse than a rake.
  • Potapov Offline Potapov
    Potapov (Valery) 8 December 2022 21: 25
    +2
    He said all the normal words since February, one mate remained ...
  • cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 8 December 2022 21: 30
    +1
    Until the Russian leadership radically changes its approach to the methods/means of the semi-fake so-called. CBO, it's hard to expect an early victory ...
  • Alexander Ponamarev (Alexander Ponamarev) 9 December 2022 03: 45
    0
    It will be like in ancient times, the people will have the last word, and the oligarchy will be on the sidelines
  • Foe Pshekov Offline Foe Pshekov
    Foe Pshekov (Arkady) 9 December 2022 04: 11
    +1
    Honestly, the evening has ceased to be languid. We can declare a Patriotic War, but we cannot arm and equip 5 million people before spring. Not ready. Yes, and the enemy will not sleep ... Poles and a rabble of terrorists from all over the world will enter the territory of Ukraine on modern NATO tanks. Naturally under the cover of Patriot and F-16. Because the Anglo-Saxons do not care about the Poyaks, Czechs, Hungarians and Romanians. They don’t care about the Germans either, but it will be difficult to make the Germans go to war to die. And the Poles will run skipping, tossing caps and helmets. So sooner or later you will have to use nuclear weapons. And I don't see the point in putting it off. This is the only reason for the Americans to stop the Pan-Slav war. All other scenarios suit them. Russia will be exhausted and drained of blood. And there will be fewer bare-assed freeloaders, less money to allocate for food.
    1. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
      ivan2022 (ivan2022) 9 December 2022 04: 28
      +1
      That is, you admit that one Ukrainians, Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, Romanians, Bulgarians are cannon fodder and consumables ....
      And others were not smart enough for anything, except to send trillions of dollars to the West in 30 years and crawl in front of it, "rising from their knees", just to "not feed the naked people" .......
      compatriots have always amazed me with their paradoxical intelligence and ability to screw up anything out of the blue.
  • Sergei N Offline Sergei N
    Sergei N (Sergey N) 9 December 2022 09: 59
    0
    It doesn't matter what it will be called NWO or Patriotic War, IT IS IMPORTANT TO ACT AND ACT HARD! First you need to put out the entire energy infrastructure of Hohland. It is necessary to bomb Hohlandia into the Stone Age so that there is no water, no light, no gas! Then "General Frost" will help.
  • Little Muck_2 Offline Little Muck_2
    Little Muck_2 (Little Muck) 9 December 2022 17: 38
    0
    Quote from Mikhail L.
    no one knows what they are fighting for

    The collective West is coveting the natural resources of the Russian Federation.
    Its population is a bone in its throat.
    L. Walesa has already betrayed the intention of the "apologists of European values": to split Russia and reduce its population to 50 million (he just did not specify that it is possible to move them to reservations)!
    And if the Russians do not want to fight, this will be a natural outcome of Russian history!

    What to fight?! Digging sticks? against the high-tech army of the west.
    1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
      Michael L. 9 December 2022 19: 38
      -1
      To complete the derogatory "argumentation" call the Russians "quilted jackets"!
      ;-(
    2. guest Offline guest
      guest 9 December 2022 20: 11
      0
      Are you suggesting capitulation? There is nuclear weapons and it is not a shame to use it against the West.
  • Civil pensioner Offline Civil pensioner
    Civil pensioner 9 December 2022 20: 05
    +1
    I have no idea what ingenious combinations are in the brains of our rulers. Probably, to understand this, you need to have a special mindset! But I also cannot understand some technical issues that are close to my education. For example, the consumption of ammunition. I cannot understand the meaning of shelling fortified areas from one or two artillery systems with the consumption of two or three shells per gun. Is it really the accounting department that decides everything, not the military leaders. Somehow, I remember that the amount of ammunition is measured by wagons, and their consumption for suppressing large targets is not in pieces, but in whole or fractional ammunition. And it’s not individual guns or even batteries that fire at such targets, but rather artillery regiments or more. Probably, in the NWO there are other rules and other calculations of the BP consumption? Maybe it’s not the name that needs to be changed, but the old PSU consumption rates should be used?
  • Daniel P Offline Daniel P
    Daniel P (Danil P) 10 December 2022 16: 09
    -1
    We have no other option than the complete destruction of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the destruction of everything west of the Dnieper and the establishment of a state border along the Dnieper. But this is impossible and will not be done, because Putin considers the Armed Forces of Ukraine our brothers.
  • Misha Offline Misha
    Misha (Misha) 10 December 2022 20: 10
    0
    An interesting detail has long been noticed, 99% of the characters calling for escalation, general mobilization, etc. they themselves do not intend to participate in this and are sure that this will not affect them.
    The author of this essay, aggravating the situation, apparently considers himself smarter than the President and the General Staff of the Russian Federation. Emotionally and confidently draws a parallel with the Great Patriotic War, appealing to the patriotic feelings of fellow citizens, but completely missing completely obvious facts. The strength of the ENTIRE army of Ukraine is approximately 250 thousand people, the strength of the TOTAL mobilization resource of Ukraine is approximately 1 million people. The number of mercenaries will most likely not exceed 50-100 thousand people. Those. the number of TOTAL possible personnel from Ukraine is approximately 1.3 million people. The President clearly and clearly defined the status of this military operation, which is consistent with the above numerical calculations. The author apparently does not understand what consequences the actions of the level of general mobilization lead to, what this will lead to in social and economic terms on the scale of the country. Some characters who call for a nuclear strike on the enemy, confident that it will bang somewhere there, and they will support it, have a similar mindset, with a cup of espresso on a warm sofa, not realizing that when a possible response arrives, there will be no sofa, no espresso , no internet.
    In general, probably, essays of this kind should be written with a note from the trench on the front line, then there is no feeling that the author is trying to rake the heat in his direction with the wrong hands.
    1. Alex_Shulov Offline Alex_Shulov
      Alex_Shulov (Alexander Shilov) 10 December 2022 20: 44
      +1
      The author, if anything, lives in Donetsk ...
      1. Mordvin 3 Offline Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 (Vladimir) 11 December 2022 05: 54
        +2
        If the term "Patriotic War" is quite suitable for your region, then try to explain to a conditional Omsk or Novosibirsk resident why the hell he should drag himself to fight in Ukraine with the goals of the SVO completely incomprehensible to him, despite the fact that for many years he was rubbed about the invincible Russian army , with unparalleled buns in the form of electronic warfare, Armat, fifth-generation aircraft, and a fleet that has risen from the depths of the sea.
    2. Fox Di Offline Fox Di
      Fox Di (fox di) 11 December 2022 05: 08
      +2
      You can’t watch the news here, so super tanks, airplanes, helicopters, etc., why aren’t they on the battlefield? Where is everyone? transport, weapons, things?
    3. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
      ivan2022 (ivan2022) 11 December 2022 21: 12
      +1
      Getting personal with respect to the author is not a fair way to conduct discourse. A fundamental question is being discussed.

      The commentator apparently does not understand what consequences the attacks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the cities of Russia will lead to. When you live like in Donetsk, your head will start to work in a completely different way.
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  • Fox Di Offline Fox Di
    Fox Di (fox di) 11 December 2022 04: 52
    +2
    Hmm ... Putin disappointed the people ... Either he is decisive, or he plays sissy ... Why not smash the new equipment that comes in, and not smash all the railway tracks, all the airfields, ports, etc., communications, electricity ... That's when there will be talk about the world ... And now there are fairy tales about red lines, and what? Kiev not in ruins? it’s just that all countries understood that Putin will not do anything, so everything is possible ... And about how their partners supposedly deceive this is generally top, and they continue to believe them further deceive ... And the dismissal of our thieves who were allegedly fired ... Look where they are now ... For some reason, they are again in power, and not in prison ... So the Russian Federation from a strong country that they feared has turned into a helpless country that I don’t have to shave anymore ... But if they had hit something serious right away, then everyone would have shut up ... How was it at first? Those who are now openly fighting against the Russian Federation were silent and waited for the Russian Federation to answer when you crossed the red lines , it turned out that no ... You can do whatever you want The Russian Federation will endure ... In short, disappointments through the roof ... If we have weapons, then why are we fighting with junk, why is there nothing in the army? started this nonsense? Foremen Putin already have to do something, and not live in fairy tales and endure humiliation ... Once you say, then do it
    ... Once you start, then finish ... I tried it with the world, it didn’t work out, let’s go in other ways ... What are they waiting for? Why delay? Waiting for them to attack from all sides at the same time?
  • Fox Di Offline Fox Di
    Fox Di (fox di) 11 December 2022 05: 02
    +1
    And the wise men who tell fairy tales there, about a special operation ... How is it? The Nazis were taken and exchanged ... And, as an excuse, they say our lives are important ... Well, since you are changing the Nazis all the time, maybe you shouldn’t have started? Then would our lives be intact? Otherwise, it’s cool that the Nazis kill ours, after we take them prisoner, and they live for our taxes ... After we change the Nazis 250 pieces, for 50 of ours ... Then what is the point of the operation? That is, the Nazis I kill, and we send them home and so on in a circle ... Maybe then it was not worth climbing? Then so many of our lives would have been saved, and the Nazis, as they were in Kiev, would have remained ... We would have saved our lives, we would they saved the money, and the country’s reputation was not littered ... And so ours are dying, and they rest in comfort in captivity, and then go home and fight again ... So the whole country is also thrown off for food by these fascists ... It seems to me only what's wrong here?
  • Yuri Bryanskiy Offline Yuri Bryanskiy
    Yuri Bryanskiy (Yuri Bryansky) 11 December 2022 07: 10
    -1
    More mobilization is needed. both human and economic. The loss of time is like death. It's time for Putin to become a real Supreme Commander.
    1. DTramp Offline DTramp
      DTramp (IDI Naxooy) 13 December 2022 14: 23
      0
      You write nonsense. At least another million - at least two million cannon fodder - like teachers from schools who first saw the AK - send to the front line under the computerized laser sights of the Armed Forces of Ukraine received from NATO. This won't save us. We lost this war - our military equipment is at the level of 1960-1980 - this is a pitchfork against NATO's super-computerized defense complex. Do not forget that we cannot even produce BIS - and every missile and even every NATO projectile is a flying computer. Until now, we have not even been able to produce a cell phone in our glorious Russian Federation. Koreans can - but the Russian Federation cannot. Soon all BIS-s will end and we will have nothing to put in rockets. The sanctions closed all deliveries of integrated circuits to Russia. Yes, we can buy in China. The gut is thin. At the end of the last century, we could only stupidly copy American LSI. We do not have enough brains for our own development of LSI with 50 nm thin-film technology. And we have already lagged behind in this matter forever. And armament without smart and perfect computer technologies is now impossible. So a pitchfork, yes a pitchfork - that's all we can resist NATO with.
  • DTramp Offline DTramp
    DTramp (IDI Naxooy) 11 December 2022 10: 50
    -1
    No guys, no Patriotic War is needed. We need peace. This war must be urgently ended precisely through negotiations and the withdrawal of our troops from all territories of Ukraine (excluding the DPR, LPR).
    Zelensky says: "My condition for making peace is to return Ukraine to the 1991 borders."
    OK. Return the Donetsk and Luhansk regions to the 1991 borders. Let Ukraine withdraw all the troops from the territories that they have seized in the DPR, LPR since 2014. And the DPR and LPR themselves, yes, will have to be left as part of Ukraine, but give them an autonomous status and not persecute the Russian language there. And by the way, to pay pensions and social benefits to all residents of the DPR, LPR, as well as compensation for damage since 2014. And in response, we withdraw all our troops from the Ukrainian territories. The war can and should be ended precisely through compromises. It seems to me that the West will arrange such a peace - the tension will immediately subside. Putin says: "We do not need any Ukrainian territories" - so prove it in practice. The Russian Federation tried to reach Kyiv and Lvov, but it is already clear to everyone that the NVO with its demilitarization and denazification has completely failed. And therefore, in order not to kill senseless young guys from both the Ukrainian and our sides, it is necessary to make peace by making mutual compromises. Here, however, there is one small subtlety: the United States does not give a damn about both Ukrainians and Russians - they use this war game to test their weapons in real combat conditions - this war is for them a testing ground for weapons. And so the United States does not need peace in Ukraine. Only pressure from civil society in the US and Europe can stop this. This pressure is already growing.
    1. Otto Davar Offline Otto Davar
      Otto Davar (Otto Davar) 12 December 2022 00: 35
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      "small thinness" - can be very thick.
      1. DTramp Offline DTramp
        DTramp (IDI Naxooy) 13 December 2022 13: 59
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        By the way, for us (although this is cynical) - this war is also to some extent - a testing ground for our military developments.
  • Moskal 55 Offline Moskal 55
    Moskal 55 11 December 2022 20: 41
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    in the first week of December, hundreds of civilians of the Russian Federation were killed at the hands of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

    - where does it come from?!!
    1. DTramp Offline DTramp
      DTramp (IDI Naxooy) 13 December 2022 14: 05
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      War is war - moral rules do not apply there. And the fact that Ukrainian missiles reach civilian targets in the Donbass (and even in Russia) is the fault of our outrageously poorly functioning air defense. Look: Soviet-made drones (developed in 1987!) flew as much as 600 km deep into the Russian Federation and hit absolutely unprotected military aircraft at airfields and none of our glorious air defense even noticed them. That is, I noticed. but already on approach to the airfields. It's a shame and disgrace. With such air defense, their UAVs will soon reach Moscow. Ukrainians are bombing civilians. Ay-yay-yay! What bad. So stop it! in the Russian Federation is the best and strongest army in the world.
  • Masha Offline Masha
    Masha (Masha) 11 December 2022 21: 50
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    With what fright should the war become Patriotic? Where is it, this Fatherland? Where the oligarchs are pumping out subsoil?
    All wealthy citizens somehow secured themselves and their descendants from mobilization. Who could - went abroad, who could not leave - paid off here. Workers and peasants will be driven to fight. Categories that are not subject to mobilization have already appeared: lawyers, journalists... Is the government really so sure of the lochism of the population? Apparently, sure! But that has already happened in history. When 10 million peasants were torn off the land and sent to be slaughtered for the sake of the interests of the tsarist regime. It's just that no one seems to remember how it ended.
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  • Otto Davar Offline Otto Davar
    Otto Davar (Otto Davar) 12 December 2022 00: 28
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    Now in the ROC, the symbol "P" can be interpreted differently. Moreover, we have already been promised paradise.
  • boar Offline boar
    boar (boar) 12 December 2022 11: 16
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    Can it be enough to replace the concepts? what kind of Patriotic War, let's call a spade a spade a war for those who could not hang out or escape, I generally keep quiet about the Mazhers. The Great Patriotic War is when the sons of Stalin and others fought and did not have a fatherland in London and Paris. The phrase is especially puzzling NATO wants to seize our resources when they suddenly become ours and not a bunch of oligarch thieves
  • DTramp Offline DTramp
    DTramp (IDI Naxooy) 13 December 2022 13: 57
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    This war must end immediately.
    1. Nelton Online Nelton
      Nelton (Oleg) 13 December 2022 14: 13
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      a la guerre comme a la guerre
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  • Soulcube Offline Soulcube
    Soulcube (Soulcube RUS) 13 December 2022 14: 52
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    Quote: Eduard Aplombov
    I understand the general discontent, at least the people in the rear, annoyed by the incomprehensible sluggish war from the authorities
    but the longer it is sluggish, according to my confession, it goes on, the more obvious it becomes to me the strategic goal of this company at the moment
    1. The experience of capturing Mariupol and other more or less large settlements has shown that it is very costly for us, at least today, given our economy and the availability of combat-ready forces, because if we liberate cities, this will result in war years with hundreds of thousands of dead, given that everything is covered by civilians, and hostile to us
    2.our troops have defeated almost all Soviet equipment of the Armed Forces, there is an increased replenishment of NATO equipment and our command knows approximately the amount that NATO will supply, including familiarization with these supplies, new options are being tried to combat equipment, NATO communications
    we are studying a potential enemy in the field
    3. a meat grinder in the fields is much more effective for our army than taking and accelerating forward, acquiring new lands filled with trained gangs and terrorists, supply logistics is being calibrated and improved while at the top, at headquarters of different levels
    4. A new army is being formed, while studying in battles, the entire structure of the army will apparently change, from headquarters to types of units, communications, combat in relation to the terrain
    5. the economic forces of the enemy, production and infrastructure are knocked out
    I didn’t say something, I missed something, but this is how I see the current part of my
    everything can change, maybe NATO or logs harness directly and this is also taken into account by ours, without throwing all the trump cards on the table
    we haven’t fought like this before. everyone learns and makes mistakes, the death of our boys
    well, of course, sitting at home on the Internet to be indignant and proceed with righteous anger hiding behind the lives of the guys, but in war as in war, in the end, either we or us, the price has become marginal
    and the last, someone (with us) of course really wants to negotiate and disperse, save what was stolen and transported, only the Kremlin knows and understands that this will be a defeat and the end of Russia

    It's all so clear. The main question is, how long will this mess be repeated??!!! We went through all this on both Chechen (albeit not on such a scale), which directly showed all the jambs, etc. There was time to get used to it, to rebuild, and AGAIN nothing was done. And that, and so every time, through tens of thousands of corpses, through pain and suffering. The experience of the Second World War also, apparently, did not teach anything. Or maybe they just don’t want us to learn, it’s easier to send the masses to be slaughtered like cattle, and to steal, turn in, sell, finally, to avoid anger, trial, punishment??!!
  • Rainy Offline Rainy
    Rainy 13 December 2022 14: 56
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    Quote from Soulcube RUS
    Quote: rainy
    And what about the power? The question is not there.
    People's war must be recognized by the people themselves. And want to be a part of it. That is when the war can become popular.

    The article states that the Kursk, Bryansk, Saratov, Ryazan, and Belgorod regions are under attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Well, new regions. Everything is clear with Donbass. People there know what and why. And what about the residents of Zaporozhye and Kherson regions? Why so many refugees into the depths of Russia, including males, from these territories? Why do most of those who left - left? Why didn't you stay to defend your house from the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Didn't go to war?

    The same is true for the rest of the regions. People either leave, or just sit still and wait.

    Yes, there are those who go to sign up as volunteers. But how many of them, since it came to the announcement of mobilization?

    Obviously not enough. Where are the others? What kind of people's war can we talk about, is there an overwhelming part of the population that is not at all full of desire to go into the trenches under bullets and artillery? Think about it. And tell us what needs to be done so that the people themselves voluntarily go in huge waves to the military registration and enlistment offices. To do this, it is not enough just to declare a "Patriotic War". These are just words.

    But for this, the war must come directly to our home ... Which is being done successfully

    Well, how did you get the desire to fight?
  • Soulcube Offline Soulcube
    Soulcube (Soulcube RUS) 13 December 2022 14: 59
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    Quote from DTramp
    This war must end immediately.

    It won't work anymore - the hive has been stirred up. Unfortunately, it will not be possible to win within the framework of Ukraine as long as the protest is alive, as long as Western assistance is alive. Half of the country in ruins is nothing to hide, nothing to cover up, nothing to glue. Kherson and Zaporozhye openly showed that we were not expected and are not expected there, that the population in general has an extremely negative attitude towards us, and you will not be forced to be nice. It is a pity that neither the Kremlin nor the General Staff understand this. And if they understand, they also understand what kind of shit they got into, simultaneously smearing the country with the people.
  • Soulcube Offline Soulcube
    Soulcube (Soulcube RUS) 13 December 2022 15: 00
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    Quote: Yuri Bryansky
    More mobilization is needed. both human and economic. The loss of time is like death. It's time for Putin to become a real Supreme Commander.

    Go get mobilized. There is nothing to incite others here
  • Vlupidol Offline Vlupidol
    Vlupidol 14 December 2022 20: 54
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    fool these are the comments ... the Patriotic war begins with the declaration of the martial law of the country, and they won’t ask you to Sing if you want to fight ... they will give you Kalash in your hands and trample on the front line)) to declare such a situation, you need to transfer 65% of the country to the military industry, to work people out to plow for 16 hours for rations ... to take away your phones so that you don’t sadden your text with your fingers, but scratch with frozen fingers under the light of a bat a letter to your grandfather’s village ... do you want this ??? Well then, pray to your telephone fantasies that the status of the NWO would not even go into the status of CTO, otherwise smart people, Stalin would not look at your fake hemorrhoids to sag from the draft, as V.V. did. Putin ... took real men like Tsar Leonid ... Stalin would have led you to the march of the Chekists ... so shut up
  • Luenkov Offline Luenkov
    Luenkov (Arkady) 15 December 2022 14: 00
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    Kvachkov is responsible for his words. WHERE are those who put him on the bunk? Where are Chubais' friends?
  • kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 16 December 2022 10: 14
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    Who knows where those red lines are and who drew them. Every day they move towards Moscow, and where will the next ones be?
  • Milana Shvetsova (Milana Shvetsova) 25 December 2022 15: 22
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    I am far from having great knowledge of warfare and military affairs, but even I understand that the war is aimed solely at the extermination of the people on both sides, at the complete economic fiasco of Russia, at its establishment in the status of a pariah in the entire political space, while the fruitful destruction of the entire infrastructure of the country from the inside, all 22 years old, in absolutely any area.