Favorable for Russia option of post-war reconstruction of Ukraine

Favorable for Russia option of post-war reconstruction of Ukraine

Thinking about the prospects for resolving the armed conflict on the territory of Ukraine, one has to consider various options for its possible post-war reconstruction. One thing is clear - this country will definitely never return to the borders of 1991. But what can the post-war Square be and, most importantly, what does Russia need it to be?


Someone will say that we share the skin of an unkilled bear, but only inexperienced hunters do not agree among themselves in advance how the trophies will be distributed, otherwise something would not work out. It is possible to start a large-scale military operation in a neighboring country and mobilize hundreds of thousands of reservists for this only if you have a clear plan, not necessarily a cunning one, about what you will do with various outcomes of the NMD. So far, they have not deigned to acquaint us with such, therefore we take the liberty of discussing this topic, which concerns all Russians, on our own. However, the presented scenarios constantly cause heated discussions, because everyone has already invented something of their own on this occasion, and the reality so far, alas, is at odds with what was desired.

Eliminate or join?


Many of our compatriots have two diametrically opposed points of view regarding the possible future of Ukraine. According to the first, the post-war Independent should turn into an independent, federal and friendly state to Russia. Two languages ​​- Ukrainian and Russian - should have an equal status there, and the president should be from Novorossiya. It all sounds great, of course, but absolutely unrealistic.

The theme of the federalization of Ukraine was burned on May 2, 2014 in Odessa in the House of Trade Unions, along with supporters of the idea of ​​federalization and rapprochement with our country. After the Maidan, real Ukrainian Nazis came to power in Nezalezhnaya, whose true purpose was the destruction of everything Russian and the war with Russia. No federalization under the Russophobic regime in Kyiv, controlled from the outside by the Anglo-Saxons, is simply impossible. Therefore, all these negotiations that took place over the course of eight years within the framework of the Minsk agreements on the return of the proclaimed DPR and LPR back to Ukraine looked like the height of cynicism.

Naturally, no federalization of the Square in the event of the return of the LDNR to its composition, as the “guardians” told us, would not have happened. After control over the border would have passed to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the trap would have slammed shut and Donbass would have been left alone with the ideological Nazis. Then no one would interfere directly, since everything that happens on the other side of the cordon would be declared a purely internal Ukrainian affair. All the more cynical, if at all possible, are the statements of Vladislav Surkov, who is responsible for the “draining of Novorossiya”, about the need for confederalization of Ukraine:

Ukrainians know very well that at the moment their country does not really exist. I said that it may exist in the future. She has a national essence. But I wonder what [its] limits should be. And this should be the subject of an international discussion...

The country can be reformed as a confederation when the regions are given a lot of freedom to make decisions for themselves. Soft tissue should appear between the two bones. Ukraine is located exactly between Russia and the West, and the geopolitical attraction on both sides will tear Ukraine apart. Until we reach that outcome, the struggle in Ukraine will never stop. It may subside, it may flare up, but it will continue, it is inevitable.

As a result, through the efforts of Surkov himself, neo-Nazi Ukraine, together with Novorossia, found itself just under the collective West. And he, this West, needs a united and unitary Ukraine, militarized and nazified for the war with Russia. After nine months of fierce fighting, it is safe to say that we should also forget about some kind of united pro-Russian Ukraine. There have been too many casualties on both sides. They really don't like us there now, that's a fact.

Another extreme that many of our compatriots fall into is the desire to make sure that after the war there is no Ukraine left at all. Having seen enough of what the Ukrainian Nazis are doing, they hope that as a result of the NWO, the statehood of the former Independent will be liquidated in principle and either completely annexed to the Russian Federation or divided between it and its Eastern European neighbors.

I do not want to disappoint anyone, but it is worth warning in advance that the probability of such a scenario is somewhere at the zero level. Ukraine is one of the founding countries of the UN, and President Putin will almost certainly not take such a radical step as the elimination of Ukrainian statehood. Do not have false hopes, this will definitely not happen.

It turns out that Ukraine cannot be independent and neutral, since either the West or Russia will attract it, and it can no longer be either federal / confederate or pro-Russian, since it is under the direct external control of the Anglo-Saxons, who use it for war against us . At the same time, there can be no talk of its complete elimination either. Then what is left?

Protectorate?


It is quite obvious that the key to victory in this war lies in the removal of the former Independent from the sphere of influence of the collective West, and this can be done only by military means. However, the problem of its post-war reconstruction will not go away from this. You can’t just go off into the sunset beautifully, because a holy place is never empty. If the Russian troops are subsequently withdrawn in the event of a complete victory over the Armed Forces of Ukraine, everything will repeat itself again: the Nazi underdogs will again raise their heads, Western agents will resume their active work, and another Maidan is inevitable. This means that the RF Armed Forces will have to stay on the territory of Ukraine forever. The only question is what and within what borders this post-war Ukraine will turn out to be.

It seems that the best option for the Russian Federation may be the following. The Russian-speaking South-East, which is closest to us in terms of mentality, is moving to our country in the format of a new Federal District. The remaining Ukraine then loses access to both seas and becomes a de facto “stump” state, completely dependent on Russia for the supply of energy and other natural resources, as well as for the transit of agricultural and other products for export. It sounds, of course, cynical, but such dependence in itself guarantees the highest level of loyalty.

Central and Western Ukraine must change the form of their government from unitary to federal. Yes, it will become possible only under the hand of Moscow. The Western should receive the status of the broadest autonomy, subject to its demilitarization and debanderization. The best option would be if it was legally practically withdrawn from the post-war Ukraine, so that it could not have a significant impact on the domestic political life of the country. In particular, its representation in the parliament (Rada) should become purely symbolic.

Perhaps it would be the right decision to take Galicia and Volyn under the tripartite protectorate of Russia, Belarus and Poland. De jure, it may still be a part of Ukraine, de facto a dwarf quasi-state under the supervision of its closest neighbors. Why launch Poland there, astute readers will ask. Then, in return, you can get from Warsaw the opening of a land transport corridor to the Kaliningrad region from Belarus in the form of an extraterritorial highway, road and rail.

Central Ukraine, also known as the historical Little Russia, could become a bilingual federation, demilitarized and under a Russian military protectorate. It is she who will have to become the legal successor of pre-Maidan Ukraine, a member of the UN. At the first stage, there may be an associated form of interaction between it and our country. In the future, it is possible and necessary to reintegrate the post-war Independent State in the format of the Union State of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, which will have to be made real, not virtual.

Of the options that remained as of the end of November 2022, such a scenario would probably be the best from the point of view of the national interests of the Russian Federation. And no need for irony. It is high time to decide what exactly we are fighting for.
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  1. Sydor Kovpak Offline Sydor Kovpak
    Sydor Kovpak 28 November 2022 16: 05
    +13
    How much is already possible? What kind of refurbishment? No Ukraine, no problem!!!!! For the security of Russia, any variant of the existence of Ukraine is impossible! It is not right!!! They were inspired that their ancestors dug up the sea and continue to inspire about independence and sovereignty. At the hands of a handful of pro-American, Bandera-speaking henchmen of fascism, Russian-speaking citizens of a multimillion-strong country are dying and degrading, who themselves do not understand who they are and believe in this heresy.!!! An invented past will surely lead to a utopian future. And the Ukrainians themselves are to blame for this!...
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 28 November 2022 16: 49
      +11
      Quote: Sidor Kovpak
      Ukrainians themselves are to blame for this!

      Well, not only that, the encouragement of the West and the connivance of Russia also played a role.
      1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 28 November 2022 22: 56
        +7
        There is a hybrid war of the United States and its allies to destroy Russia. The Russian Federation lost the war for the minds of Ukrainians (V. Surkov and other "strategists" who brought it to hostilities), There is only one opportunity to win, and only by military means and by force to consolidate the victory. Learn from the classics: V. Churchill, I. Stalin, and so on. The old tried and tested methods, all the big nationalists on the "boat" and abroad - Canada, the EU, England, and so on. War criminals "Azov" and others, for a period and for the arrangement of the Arctic, V. Siberia. and D.Vostok. Russia needs to finally get rid of future problems associated with permanent Ukrainian non-independent statehood, because it has always served as a tool against Russia. Conclusion: Ukraine, created by the Bolsheviks, as an independent state with lands cut off, should "sink into oblivion" ..
        1. Andrey Andreev_2 (Andrey Andreev) 29 November 2022 07: 37
          +7
          In general, Surkov should be lustred for stopping the hostilities in the Donbas in 14 together with Putin. There, the truth is that the German grandmother intervened ...
        2. GIS Offline GIS
          GIS (Ildus) 29 November 2022 08: 58
          +1
          WOOOOOOT! this is the most correct scenario from our point of view. And for this it is necessary to defeat these together with NATO. and then roll out the remnants of Baneder from the minds of those who remained in the inhabitants (those who wanted to stay).
          but as history shows, it will take another 50 years of oversight and painstaking work of the state (all its bodies, including the educational part), to eradicate all this ideology
        3. mimocodil Offline mimocodil
          mimocodil (Mimicrocodil) 30 November 2022 13: 43
          0
          Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
          for the arrangement of the Arctic, V. Siberia. and D.Vostok

          Why do you dislike the regions you mentioned so much? What are their inhabitants guilty of before you? Is it the memory of generations?
          1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 30 November 2022 20: 29
            0
            (M. crocodile) Have you tried to live there, try it, especially from the middle lane to move there ...
    2. soloist2424 Offline soloist2424
      soloist2424 (Oleg) 29 November 2022 10: 24
      0
      All of you are right, but what to do with the disloyal population, and it is all the same in the western regions. And restoring the whole of Ukraine is an expensive pleasure. Part of the country will probably have to be left independent, but in such conditions that it does not have economic and industrial potential. So, a rare case, I agree with the author.
  2. m.cempbell Offline m.cempbell
    m.cempbell (Anton) 28 November 2022 16: 19
    +3
    Sergey, your article has absolutely correct thoughts. But I'm afraid that our current government, even for such a reorganization of Ukraine, to put it mildly, will not have enough testicles ...
  3. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 28 November 2022 16: 47
    +12
    The transition of Novorossiya into Russia will never be recognized by either Kyiv or the West. It means endless war. And already with the collective West.
    I am not strong in numbers, but the total military potential of the West is the 4 millionth army in Europe, about 20 thousand tanks, 13 thousand artillery systems, about 5 thousand aircraft. Plus the most powerful satellite constellation and unlimited military-industrial complex of the States.
    Winning will be quite problematic.

    To create a confederation from Central and Western Ukraine means to get a completely Russophobic state on the borders of Russia, moreover, pumped up with Western weapons and trained according to Western standards. If it is now difficult enough to fight the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then what will be the result in 2-3 years?

    The author, in fact, proposes the division of Ukraine along the Dnieper (conditionally). This is a utopia. This is a postponed war for a couple of years, and already with a completely different army.

    The best way out for Russia would be a complete severing of all economic ties with Europe and the slow destruction of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the front line. The sanctions are permanent. Perhaps forever. So nothing is lost here. Transfer of the country to a war footing, the transfer of the main means of production into the hands of the state. And, (most importantly) the renewal of the country's top leadership. Nabiulins, Grefs, Kudrins must leave. If not for logging, then at least home on the sofa. This is what should be the primary task of the SVO.
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 28 November 2022 17: 30
      +3
      I am not strong in numbers, but the total military potential of the West is the 4 millionth army in Europe, about 20 thousand tanks, 13 thousand artillery systems, about 5 thousand aircraft. Plus the most powerful satellite constellation and unlimited military-industrial complex of the States.
      Winning will be quite problematic.

      It will be impossible to assemble such an army. She will not be able to fight. The teachings have confirmed this more than once. As for the military-industrial complex, I would not flatter myself. These countries are not in that state now. And there will be no unity.
      And they won't fight. Putin knowingly pulled the situation. Already, the mood is not at all the same as it was at the beginning of March. What will happen in 2-3 months?
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 28 November 2022 19: 18
        +6
        At the beginning of March, the mood was such that the Armed Forces of Ukraine would not last even a week. And Kyiv will be taken in 2-3 days. The leadership fled Kyiv and Western support was minimal. The Russian army took Kherson and almost reached Nikolaev. Breakthrough through Chernigov and Sumy. The misfire was in Kharkov. Let down the military leadership. Trying to take Kharkiv on the move is some kind of nightmare.

        Now the mood is really different. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are clinging to every convenient line, advancing. No matter for what reasons and with what losses. Western support goes to millions of shells and hundreds of missiles. Some Javelins and Stingers were handed over several thousand units.

        Of course, they will not be able to collect 4 million. But sum up the armies of Poland, the Baltic states, Romania, Slovakia, Hungary and almost a million will be typed. This is to the million that is in Ukraine. And do not be deceived by the lack of equipment in NATO warehouses. It's full of it. There are 20 tanks alone. If at least half of them are reactivated, then they will have to fight in earnest.

        Conclusion: it is necessary to knock out the economic basis of NATO. Deindustrialize Europe.
        1. GIS Offline GIS
          GIS (Ildus) 29 November 2022 09: 04
          -4
          At the beginning of March, the mood was such that the Armed Forces of Ukraine would not last even a week. And Kyiv will be taken in 2-3 days

          it was with you and me, but I don’t know what in the General Staff

          Quote: Bakht
          Western support goes to millions of shells and hundreds of missiles

          also true, as you said, it is temporary and not forever. now Europeans have a choice: shells or food. earn (and therefore satisfying to eat) will uncles. a scribe will come to the inhabitants of Europe

          Quote: Bakht
          Conclusion: it is necessary to knock out the economic basis of NATO. Deindustrialize Europe.

          so this is what GDP does (about 15-20 years) with the exception of Medvedev's work (he, on the contrary, was ready to give everything). now how is it with the economies of NATO - it’s already clear to everyone in the world that something is wrong with them ... and the frozen assets of Gaddafi, Iran, Benladan do not help
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 29 November 2022 14: 07
            0
            I didn't have that attitude with you. And the General Staff and Western "experts". The West gave the Armed Forces a maximum of a week and therefore did not supply weapons at first.
            And the landing in Gostomel and the breakthrough of Russian troops to Kyiv through Sumy and Chernigov speak more eloquently than any words about planning in the General Staff.

            By analogy with the memoirs of Otto Carius "Tigers in the Mud", there was a publication "Tigers in the Snow" about an attempt to storm Kharkov at the end of February 2022. Read and tell your opinion about the level of planning of the operation and the mood of the local residents.

            https://www.ridus.ru/tigry-v-snegu--pechalnaya-istoriya-shturma-harkova-27-02-2022-391233.html
            1. mimocodil Offline mimocodil
              mimocodil (Mimicrocodil) 30 November 2022 14: 06
              0
              Quote: Bakht
              Read and tell your opinion about the level of planning of the operation and the mood of local residents

              After reading the article, not only these questions arise. There are also much more unpleasant ones.
              1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 30 November 2022 15: 41
                0
                Unfortunately, you are right. There are also more embarrassing moments. From the level of planning, to the organization of units and connections. If you read the "Ogarkov Doctrine" (which is now so praised) before the "Gerasimov Doctrine", you understand that the General Staff was preparing for some kind of incomprehensible war. And both doctrines have shown their weak correspondence to realities.
                And if you look at the publications on the Karabakh war of 2020, nothing is confirmed at all.
                It is necessary to change the structure of units, move away from the brigade structure. Restore order in the rear. No wonder the Soviet generals and marshals hated Mehlis. General Khrulev especially hated him.
        2. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 29 November 2022 16: 03
          0
          Deindustrialize Europe.

          The US is doing a great job with this.
          About military power. One small example.
          https://t.me/sheyhtamir1974/30773
          France delivered to / on the MLRS LRU MLRS. One.
          This is a 227 mm caliber, 12 rails. There are 13 of them in total. Not Ukraine, they were going to deliver 13 pieces (although they would not have done the weather either).
          This is all in service with the great and mighty France, only 13 pieces. What were they going to do with them?
          A poor gas station has 100 Tornadoes and 100 Hurricanes (as of 2016, since then they have been riveted). These are 12 guides and a caliber of 300 mm. The rest of the performance characteristics can simply be viewed on the Wiki. Russia is never flattered there.
          I already wrote about their self-propelled guns Caesar. There were 73 in service, 18 were sent to/on. We asked the manufacturer to restore the quantity. They promised. Within 4 - 5 years.
          And we have tracked fully armored SAU Msta S - 2. two thousand units. Let me remind you that their Caesar is open, wheeled. How is he now on liquid black soil, do you like it? They don't show...
          Be careful with numbers.
          With millions of shells supplied to/on. NATO is horrified by the consumption of shells of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, although ours is many times higher. They are now simply incompetent, at least due to the lack of ammunition.
          They did not count on such expenses at all, but even what they had was shaken out of them by Ukraine.
          1. aslanxnumx Online aslanxnumx
            aslanxnumx (Aslan) 30 November 2022 10: 19
            +1
            And where our 2000 Msta .8 months our troops cannot go 100 km from Donetsk. The infantry storms in the forehead and where ours has no analogues.
        3. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 29 November 2022 16: 27
          0
          About millions of shells.
          https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2022/11/27/7378143/
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 30 November 2022 15: 58
            0
            From the data of the Kiel Institute for the World Economy, which covers the period from January 24 to June 7, as well as from official statements by Western and European officials made after June 7, it follows that YTD from artillery Ukraine received:

            up to 215 NATO 155 mm towed howitzers (more than half of them are American M777 howitzers). At least 17 more self-propelled howitzers were promised to be transferred, and Poland also intends to conclude a contract for the sale of another 60 self-propelled howitzers to Kyiv. The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine confirmed the receipt of 150 units;
            at least 29 Soviet-style howitzers (the Ukrainian Defense Ministry says it will receive 50 of these vehicles);
            at least 100 mortars (the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine talks about hundreds of mortars received);
            eight self-propelled artillery mounts with a 155 mm howitzer.

            From armored vehicles Ukraine received:

            up to 395 armored vehicles, another 99 are promised for delivery. The Ukrainian military reported about 250 vehicles received;
            147 other armored vehicles, plus 218 promised for delivery;
            18 vehicles for towing howitzers;
            four tactical equipment recovery vehicles.

            From multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) at the disposal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine appeared:

            20 MLRS of the Soviet type. The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine talks about dozens of such MLRS delivered;
            eight NATO-type MLRS are promised for delivery.

            tanks, which went to Kyiv:

            252 Soviet-type tanks, plus eight promised for delivery;
            40 tanks manufactured by NATO countries are promised for delivery.

            To date, only one air defense (AD) system has been sent to Ukraine, and another is promised for delivery, as well as three anti-ship missile systems (the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense confirmed receipt of one).

            From portable anti-aircraft and anti-tank systems (MANPADS) supplied:

            at least 2310 MANPADS, with another 60 promised to be delivered (Ukraine has reported receiving thousands of MANPADS);
            32 other missile systems, with 800 planned for delivery.

            From helicopter technology Ukraine has received three helicopters so far, another 19 are promised to be delivered.

            Drones received by Kyiv:

            it is stated that strike drones were delivered, but how many were not disclosed. The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine talks about several dozen strike drones delivered to the country;
            up to 846 other drones.

            Concerning light weapons, ammunition, equipment and equipment, it is stated that at least delivered (no information on the number of some deliveries): 117 helmets, 532 body armor of various types, 53 NATO-type rifles, 411 Soviet-type rifles, as well as cartridges for them, 8 grenade launchers, 712 hand grenades, 832 machine guns and submachine guns, various ammunition for howitzers mortars and other in the amount of about 8,1 million pieces, thousands of radio encryption devices, at least 4 tons of fuel, several thousand Starlink terminals for communicating with satellites, as well as an unknown number of satellite images worth tens of millions of dollars.
        4. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 29 November 2022 17: 54
          0
          Regarding the joint actions of NATO troops.
          I highly recommend watching this old video. This is a serious and adequate Ukrainian expert (God bless him and all the best after the SBU, he did not leave in vain).
          It is heard as one of the best numbers of KVN.

          http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekse7Jye61k
        5. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 29 November 2022 19: 49
          +1
          About

          collect 4 million

          This is NATO's task number 1.
          https://t.me/stranaua/77780
    2. Dingo Offline Dingo
      Dingo (Victor) 29 November 2022 07: 13
      +4
      Nabiulins, Grefs, Kudrins must leave. If not for logging, then at least home on the sofa.

      No sofa! An alternative to logging is a mine. Brigades of "Stakhanovites" from liberals ... And this one - the Mordovian camp, to sew mittens for accomplices in the mine. For a bowl of gruel. And then, if the norm is fulfilled. No - it means "unloading" day ...
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 29 November 2022 14: 48
        +1
        The first one went! From the telegrams of A. Kudrin's channel
        https://t.me/AlekseiKudrin/46

        In total, I spent about 25 years in the public sector. Now I would like to focus on large projects that are related to the development of private initiatives in a broad sense, but at the same time have a significant effect on people. Therefore, I am leaving the post of Chairman of the Accounts Chamber, about which I submitted a corresponding application to the President of the Russian Federation in accordance with the established procedure.
    3. soloist2424 Offline soloist2424
      soloist2424 (Oleg) 29 November 2022 10: 29
      -1
      If the West is able to raise such an army and mobilize for war, then Ukraine will already be the tenth item on their list of plans. The main task of the West is to defeat and dismember Russia. So the winner in this war will dictate the terms, and not only in Ukraine.
  4. guest Offline guest
    guest 28 November 2022 16: 47
    +8
    I will try to paraphrase the author to point out the meaninglessness of his article: "what should a cancerous tumor be like after it has been cured."
  5. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 28 November 2022 17: 23
    +2
    There should be no Ukraine.
    Territory 404 must be quickly cleared of people we do not need. I have already described the technology here more than once. This is what it all comes down to. phased complete disconnection from electricity (and gas) starting from the eastern regions with a gradual transfer of the procedure to the west. Superfluous (for us) people will run to the west. Very handy will be undestroyed bridges. The Armed Forces of Ukraine will run with them. You can't fight without food, water, heat, ammunition and replenishment. NATO troops are already waiting for them at the border, because the border guards and the Interior Ministry of both sides cannot cope with such chaos. It will be a wonderful gift from the EU. They will not be at all before the war.
    A sharp decline in the population will allow slowly, without significant one-time costs, to put the territory in order. Under the strict guidance of military administrations from among the Russians who fought and the NM of the DPR and LPR. Bypass the Kyiv region, resolve the issue there in the case of the illegal removal of Yanukovych from office. This delegitimizes subsequent administrations and all their actions, both financial and legislative. After that, the power can be liquidated, the leadership can be transferred to military administrations. The territories of the south, east and west are gradually preparing for acceptance into the Russian Federation. It takes a long time to cook, depending on the stubbornness of the population.
    Transfer the central regions to Lukashenka to create a reincarnation of the ON as part of the SG.
  6. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 28 November 2022 17: 36
    +1
    No one fantasizes about the loss of statehood by Ukraine, as well as about the return of NATO to the 1979 borders.
    The best option is the division of Ukraine with Poland, Slovakia and Hungary - NATO members. This would logically be followed by international recognition of the new borders of Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and the Russian Federation.
    Any other option means the defeat of the Russian Federation and calls into question its existence.
    1. Petr Sladek Offline Petr Sladek
      Petr Sladek (Petr Sladek) 28 November 2022 19: 02
      -3
      K tomu už dnes nepřistoupí ani Maďarsko. Rusko má status teroristické země, nikdo s vámi nebude chtít jednat o dělení Ukrajiny.
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 28 November 2022 19: 21
        +5
        Quote from Petr Sladek
        K tomu už dnes nepřistoupí ani Maďarsko. Rusko má status teroristické země, nikdo s vámi nebude chtít jednat o dělení Ukrajiny.

        And no one is going to negotiate with you on the division of Ukraine. And in the Voronezh region it is high time to demolish all the monuments to the Hungarian fascists.
      2. Dingo Offline Dingo
        Dingo (Victor) 29 November 2022 07: 22
        +1
        Statusem země, která sponzoruje terorismus, jsou de facto USA.
  7. Carmela Offline Carmela
    Carmela (Carmela) 28 November 2022 17: 39
    +11
    "Ukraine is one of the founding countries of the UN"

    Ukraine is by no means one of the founding countries of the UN. The successor of the USSR (one of the founders of the UN) was Russia. Remember, the GDR was also a member of the UN, and did that stop anyone?
    1. Ugens Offline Ugens
      Ugens (Victor) 28 November 2022 18: 51
      -1
      According to the UN charter, the successor state must submit a new application for membership, and Russia did not submit such an application.
      The date of the adoption of Ukraine (Ukrainian SSR) is 24.10.1945/XNUMX/XNUMX on the UN website.
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 28 November 2022 19: 58
        -1
        What other countries have applied for membership?
      2. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 28 November 2022 20: 02
        0
        In a letter dated 24 December 1991, the President of the Russian Federation Boris Yeltsin informed the Secretary General that the membership of the Soviet Union in the Security Council and all other bodies of the United Nations would be continued by the Russian Federation with the support of 11 member countries of the Commonwealth of Independent States.

        There were no objections. The UN website indicates the date of the adoption of the Russian Federation (that's exactly what it says) October 24, 1945.
        1. Ugens Offline Ugens
          Ugens (Victor) 28 November 2022 20: 36
          -2
          Russia then went on a deception, not notifying the UN of the Belovezhskaya Accords, according to which the USSR ceased to exist, and simply by changing the plate took the place of the USSR, in violation of the UN Charter. This moment can be used to exclude Russia from the UN through the UN General Assembly.
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 28 November 2022 20: 46
            +3
            What do you write at all? What deceit? From what hangover should the UN be informed about the Belovezhskaya Accords? Who deceived whom? Were these agreements secret?

            Read the UN Charter and the procedure for accepting new members. Russia quite officially notified the UN Secretariat that it was becoming the successor to the USSR. Moreover, it assumes all the duties and powers of the USSR as a member of the UN and is a member of the Security Council. With the right of veto and other privileges. And the UN Secretariat accepted this letter.

            Everything. The question is closed. And everything you write is just an attempt to pull something on something.

            PRESIDENT
            RUSSIAN
            Soviet Federative Socialist
            REPUBLICS

            24 декабря 1991 года
            No. Pr-2338
            Moscow

            Dear Mr Secretary General,

            I have the honor to inform you that the membership of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics in the United Nations, including in the Security Council, in all other bodies and organizations of the UN system continues with the support of the countries of the Commonwealth of Independent States of the Russian Federation (RSFSR). In this regard, I ask you to use the name "Russian Federation" instead of the name "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics".

            The Russian Federation fully retains responsibility for all the rights and obligations of the USSR in accordance with the UN Charter, including financial obligations.

            I ask you to consider this letter as evidence of the authority to represent the Russian Federation in UN bodies to all persons who currently have the authority of representatives of the USSR in the UN.

            Sincerely, B. Yeltsin

            His Excellency
            Mr. Javier Pérez De Cuellar
            To the Secretary-General
            The United Nations

            https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/Письмо_Президента_РСФСР_Генеральному_секретарю_ООН_от_24.12.1991
            1. Ugens Offline Ugens
              Ugens (Victor) 28 November 2022 21: 14
              -2
              Well, you give a damn)))
              There is a specific document of the UN Legal Committee which explains a similar point, according to it, if a new state is formed, even if it has the right to be the heir of a UN member state, then it is obliged to submit a new application for membership.
              And I assure you that this moment will be seized.
              1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 28 November 2022 21: 24
                +2
                The UN Charter says that a letter (application) is submitted. It is considered by the Security Council and, if there are 9 votes in favor, it is submitted to the General Assembly for consideration.
                In this case, there was a letter with a request to change the name of the country and keep it as the successor of the USSR. This request was granted. And since 1991, not a single country in the world has questioned this. Only now, at the suggestion of Ukraine, this issue began to be exaggerated. By the way, neither Ukraine nor Belarus has applied for re-entry into the UN. The same Ukraine in 1991 filed a letter with a request to change the name of the country from "Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic" to "Ukraine". The same letter was submitted by Belarus. The rest of the republics of the USSR filed a request to join. Quite logical.

                For example, in 2014, when discussing Ukraine's complaint about Crimea, U.S. Representative Power stated (verbatim)

                In accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, the Russian Federation is vested with the right to veto any draft resolution of the Security Council.

                The question is closed for any normally thinking person. Except for the crests, of course.
                1. Ugens Offline Ugens
                  Ugens (Victor) 28 November 2022 21: 47
                  -4
                  Because Ukraine and Belarus are the continuators of the Ukrainian SSR and the BSSR, and Russia is a new state, but I kind of explained the difference in approaches to this at the UN earlier.
                  Previously, Russia did not create any special problems, so this moment was not taken into account. By the way, the Americans then prompted the Russian representatives at the UN to simply change the nameplate.
                  1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 28 November 2022 22: 10
                    +1
                    No one in the UN questions the succession of Russia. All the former republics of the USSR agreed with this (except for the three Baltic republics and Georgia. They did not participate in the discussion of this issue at all). The official document is signed and sounds like this

                    Decision of December 21, 1991: “The states of the Commonwealth support Russia in continuing the membership of the USSR in the UN, including permanent membership in the Security Council, and other international organizations»

                    And this is the EU statement

                    The "Statement of the Twelve" of December 23, 1991, which, among other things, stated that the Member States of the EU "take note that the international the rights and obligations of the former USSR, including the rights and obligations under the UN Charter, will continue to be exercised by Russia. They welcome the agreement of the Government of Russia to assume these rights and obligations and responsibilities and, in this capacity, will continue their friendly relations with Russia.

                    About Yeltsin's letter

                    The Secretary General sent this letter [Message from President B. Yeltsin] to all members of the Organization. Based on the opinion of the legal department of the UN Secretariat, he proceeded from the fact that this appeal is of a notification nature, states the reality and does not require formal approval from the UN. All the permanent members of the Security Council and other leading countries expressed their agreement with this approach, and from December 24, 1991, the Russian Federation continued its membership in the UN

                    Summing up the issue under consideration, we can draw the following conclusion. The practice of succession of the former USSR gave rise to a previously unknown category - the successor state. It is not a derivative of the doctrine of continuity, but a new concept in the theory and practice of state succession and consists in the replacement of the predecessor state by the successor state in international legal relations. The status of the Russian Federation as a successor state of the USSR is recognized by all international organizations and almost all states of the world.

                    The only country in the world that disputes this provision is Ukraine. Already since 1991. This again is connected with the Ukrainian mentality. Ukraine has demanded and continues to demand property of the USSR abroad and at the same time refuses to pay the debts of the USSR.
                    1. Ugens Offline Ugens
                      Ugens (Victor) 28 November 2022 22: 27
                      -5
                      Ukraine's demands are quite normal, if we remember that Russia stole from the republics the money of the savings bank, foreign trade bank, gold reserves, gold and diamond fund, the debts of the countries of the world to the USSR, property abroad, etc.
                      All this at times exceeds the debts of the USSR.
                      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 29 November 2022 00: 32
                        +2
                        Ukraine's demands are abnormal. They did not intend and are not going to pay a penny of these debts at all. And how much the debt of the USSR exceeded the listed assets should be looked at by economists. None of the republics was going to pay a penny. Russia paid off these debts for more than ten years.

                        It's just demagogy - who owes whom and how much. It's like the civil code. If you refuse to take on a debt, then you lose the right to an inheritance. Ukraine has lost this right.
                      2. Ugens Offline Ugens
                        Ugens (Victor) 29 November 2022 00: 40
                        -1
                        If the republics did not receive any of the above, then why did they have to pay the debt?
                        Demagoguery is to steal everything and at the same time reproach with unwillingness to pay the debt. You have a gopnik mentality.
                      3. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 29 November 2022 00: 54
                        +4
                        Which one of us is a gopnik, I know for sure.
                        The numbers vary greatly, but Russia took on $100 billion of debt. The assets were worth 150 billion. But most of these assets were written off by the Paris Club. Take an interest in the history of the issue.
                        And then, you put the cart before the horse. Ukraine refused to take on $16 billion of debt, and then Russia was forced to take on this debt. Again. Nobody wanted to pay the debts of the USSR. No republic. Therefore, this solution to the problem appeared. Which, by the way, is very much approved in the West. They really wanted to get this debt. By the way, Russia even paid off the tsarist pre-revolutionary debt.
                        I told you: Ukrainian psychology is in everything. I won't pay, but I want to take it.

                        Your knowledge of the history of debt is about the same as your knowledge of the UN Charter. That is, zero.
                      4. Ugens Offline Ugens
                        Ugens (Victor) 29 November 2022 01: 00
                        -4
                        Just militant ignorance.
                        I speak to you in the language of facts, and you in speculation and myths.
                      5. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 29 November 2022 01: 04
                        +1
                        You didn't provide any facts. Not a single number.
                        Ukraine ready to pay Russia 16 billion dollars of Soviet debt? If so, then it can claim part of the assets of the USSR. If not, then there is nothing to talk about.
                      6. GIS Offline GIS
                        GIS (Ildus) 29 November 2022 09: 45
                        0
                        even then there were disputes about who should own the property of the USSR abroad ... all the republics kept their property, and threw off the debts to the Russian Federation.
                        and as far as I remember recently (several years ago), GDP recalled this at a speech of some kind
                      7. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 29 November 2022 14: 10
                        0
                        I have no information about the abandoned property. Something left for the republics. But the main property went to Russia. Which I think is completely fair.
                        The value of the assets of the former USSR did not at all cover the debts of the same USSR. Russia made its last payment in 2017. That is paid more than 25 years.
                  2. GIS Offline GIS
                    GIS (Ildus) 29 November 2022 09: 42
                    0
                    Again. Nobody wanted to pay the debts of the USSR. No republic. Therefore, this solution to the problem appeared. Which, by the way, is very much approved in the West. They really wanted to get this debt.

                    Since when has this been a myth?
                    are you really that stupid or are you trying to "pull the same owl" ???
                  3. Bakht Offline Bakht
                    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 29 November 2022 14: 08
                    0
                    What exactly became a "myth"? I didn't understand your statement.
  • Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 28 November 2022 21: 34
    +1
    The admission of states to membership in the United Nations is carried out by a decision of the General Assembly on the recommendation of the Security Council. In a condensed form, this procedure can be represented as follows:

    The State shall send to the Secretary-General an application and a letter in which it formally accepts the obligations contained in the Charter.
    The application is being considered by the Security Council. A recommendation for admission is considered accepted if 9 of the 15 members of the Council vote in favor of it and none of the 5 permanent members - China, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the United States of America and France - voted against.
    If the Council makes a recommendation for admission, it is submitted to the General Assembly for consideration. A two-thirds majority of the members of the Assembly is required to admit a new state.
    Membership comes into force from the date of adoption of the resolution on admission.

    Russia sent a letter in which it assumed ALL the responsibilities of the USSR. The Security Council considered it and approved it unanimously. There weren't even any abstentions. So Russia BY RIGHT takes a place both in the UN and in the Security Council.
    Again. Russia, Ukraine Belarus, as members of the UN since 1945, did NOT apply for admission to the UN. They simply informed the UN about the change in the name of the country. Moreover, Russia retained all the rights and obligations of the USSR as the successor. And everyone agreed with this.
  • Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 28 November 2022 21: 52
    0
    Another addition. They forced us to read the UN Charter again.

    In the UN Charter, the Security Council consists of five permanent members. And what's interesting. The statute has not been changed. And the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the Republic of China appear there. Although the names have long been changed. Instead of the USSR, the Russian Federation should write, and instead of the Republic of China (this is Taiwan, by the way), the People's Republic of China should write.

    The People's Republic of China took over from the Republic of China in 1971. And no one has deprived her of her seat on the Security Council.

    So all this talk about nothing. They warm the soul of crests. No more.
    1. Ugens Offline Ugens
      Ugens (Victor) 28 November 2022 22: 15
      -3
      Taiwan was removed from the UN in 1971 by a decision of the UN General Assembly.
      That's it, I'm done with this topic.
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 28 November 2022 22: 17
        0
        Thank God.....
  • Oleg V. Offline Oleg V.
    Oleg V. (Oleg Vladimirovich) 30 November 2022 16: 53
    +1
    Russia is the legal successor of the USSR and the Russian Empire. So they would have used it a long time ago if they could.
  • Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 28 November 2022 20: 07
    -1
    By the way, just looked at the UN website. It simply says that Ukraine and Belarus in 1991 simply informed the UN Secretariat about the change in the name of the state.
    1. Ugens Offline Ugens
      Ugens (Victor) 28 November 2022 20: 14
      -1
      Ukraine and Belarus have not undergone such changes as the USSR-Russia, so it was quite enough to inform.
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 28 November 2022 20: 23
        0
        And what changes has Russia undergone? It is recognized as the successor of the USSR. Since 1991, everyone has recognized the continuity of the USSR-Russia. What are you dissatisfied with?
        What were the changes in Germany? And the date of adoption is the same - 1973.
      2. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 29 November 2022 16: 50
        0
        At the time of Ukraine's admission to the UN, it did not have Crimea and Transcarpathia. Ukraine does not have these territories in UN documents.
  • Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 28 November 2022 19: 24
    0
    The founding countries of the UN are the USSR, the USA and Great Britain. Not even France and China. And Ukraine and Belarus were included in the UN only at the insistence of Stalin. So Ukraine is just one of the UN member countries.
    1. Ugens Offline Ugens
      Ugens (Victor) 28 November 2022 19: 42
      -1
      No )))
      The UN website directly says that the founders were 51 countries.
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 28 November 2022 19: 58
        0
        The UN website explicitly states that 51 countries were founding members. And the founding countries of 4 countries.
        Is there a difference between founder and founder?
        1. Ugens Offline Ugens
          Ugens (Victor) 28 November 2022 20: 11
          -1
          51 countries are considered its founders

          quote from the UN website
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 28 November 2022 20: 21
            0
            Give a link
            Does the UN website have the word founders?
          2. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 28 November 2022 20: 30
            0
            The delegates based their work on the proposals developed by the representatives Great Britain, China, the Soviet Union, and the United States at Dumbarton Oaks in August - October 1944. The charter was signed on June 26, 1945 by representatives of 50 countries.

            Here is a quote from the UN website
  • wuargido17 Offline wuargido17
    wuargido17 (Andriy Stronglich) 28 November 2022 17: 40
    -1
    Andriy Stronglich

    Two camps: the Nazi military and the Russian military, separated by the water border, the Dnieper, this is the future of Ukraine. Western under the US protectorate, Left Bank under the Russian. And the war for the same 8 years
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 28 November 2022 18: 24
      +1
      Does it mean leaving Odessa to the Nazis? Firstly, this gives them access to the sea with a huge amount of weapons that cannot be delivered so easily by land, and secondly, it increases the threat to Transnistria.
      1. cooper Offline cooper
        cooper (Alexander) 28 November 2022 21: 48
        +2
        And first of all Crimea. As well as the Russian Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov.
  • borisvt Offline borisvt
    borisvt (boris) 28 November 2022 18: 03
    +1
    I positively appreciate the author's endless enthusiasm and charge for our success! No, really, Sergey is a fine fellow and very hardworking in writing articles and in assuming options for the development of events, this is valuable.
    For example, I am a supporter of more decisive and harsh actions, but it must be admitted that dividing the fallow land into parts and spheres of influence is a possible thing, judging by the way military operations are going now.
    In what I see some omissions in the article, which are easily explained by the limited size of the material, is that the United States, the main political and military-industrial force that opposes us, is not in the reasoning. The Americans will certainly try to make any orderly post-war action difficult for us. I would even say that they will not allow post-war actions at all. There will be no post-war actions, hot or hybrid war will continue until the states start to choke on their own problems.
    And yet, the program of our actions, the plan, the absence of which almost everyone complains about, in my opinion, was actually set out on December 17 last year in the Kremlin's proposals to Washington on security guarantees. They clearly state that NATO troops and weapons must go to the borders before May 1997, which means - I remind you - from 14 countries, incl. Hungary, Poland and the Czech Republic. So, any reorganization of the former Ukraine will be milestones on the way to push the United States to the back of history as much as possible))
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  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 28 November 2022 19: 34
    +3
    And, another "how do we equip ....". They go with the flow.
    It is clear that no one will ask Ukrainians or Belarusians, and even Russians ...
    And there will be promises of GDP, Surkov's sweet writings, but "I hate for my son" Medvedev, but in real life "it will be as always" - the good of the LDNR as an example.

    Imperialism in the yard. And he has only one positive option - capture. Economic.
    Some republics, unrecognized even by the Old Man, can nominally be (like some kind of "Republic" was on the territory under the Germans in .... MV, 1st of course), but everyone will understand that this is a fiction.

    The problem is only in this economy .... effective managers that rule - all the same that they brought it to the "failure of import substitution ...."
  • Vox_Populi Offline Vox_Populi
    Vox_Populi (vox populi) 28 November 2022 20: 53
    +1
    And no need for irony. It is high time to decide what exactly we are fighting for.

    Yes, what irony can be here, but the goals of the NWO are changing and we are just guessing what and how it can be ...
  • vlad74 Offline vlad74
    vlad74 (Vladimir) 28 November 2022 21: 16
    +1
    Ukraine is one of the founding countries of the UN.
    All: You can not read further.
    1. Ugens Offline Ugens
      Ugens (Victor) 28 November 2022 21: 25
      -2
      Argue with the UN, as it is written on their website)))
      1. vlad74 Offline vlad74
        vlad74 (Vladimir) 28 November 2022 22: 05
        +1
        I admit my mistake. It was Stalin, trying to strengthen his position in the UN, who was able to include the two republics of the BSSR and the Ukrainian SSR. But the most interesting thing is that the RSFSR was not included in the list of founding countries of the UN.
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 29 November 2022 16: 55
          0
          But Russia is the successor of the USSR.
          It is also interesting that all the republics had their own communist parties, the Communist Party of Ukraine (Communist Party of Ukraine), etc. Everything except the RSFSR. The communists of the RSFSR were members of the CPSU, and the rest were members of their own communist parties, and already the communist parties of the republics were members of the CPSU.
      2. BMP-2 Offline BMP-2
        BMP-2 (Vladimir V.) 29 November 2022 01: 09
        0
        At this stage of historical development, the UN is the second most senseless simulacrum after Ukraine. Although it may be the first.
  • cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 28 November 2022 21: 44
    +1
    ..no Ukraine left at all

    But this is the only correct option for Russia! Putin (according to the author) will not agree to this? The author is so sure that Putin personally controls Russia? ... (No external control is meant).
  • serivolkf1 Offline serivolkf1
    serivolkf1 (sergey wolf) 28 November 2022 21: 45
    +2
    Everything that is proposed in the article is possible only after a clear victory on the fronts ... Believe me, friends, as soon as we begin to win unequivocally, Putin’s phone will melt from calls .. We will be recognized as winners and seated at the negotiating table, where we will sign a peace agreement that is beneficial to them contract.
  • Olgerd Tees Offline Olgerd Tees
    Olgerd Tees (Olgerd Tees) 28 November 2022 22: 19
    +2
    Quote: Bakht
    The transition of Novorossiya into Russia will never be recognized by either Kyiv or the West. It means endless war. And already with the collective West ...
    The author, in fact, proposes the division of Ukraine along the Dnieper (conditionally). This is a utopia. This is a postponed war for a couple of years, and already with a completely different army ...
    The best way out for Russia would be a complete severing of all economic ties with Europe and the slow destruction of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the front line ... And, (most importantly) the renewal of the country's top leadership. Nabiulins, Grefs, Kudrins must leave. If not for logging, then at least home on the sofa. This is what should be the primary task of the SVO.

    That is, what Millie is talking about: mostly positional warfare, like WWI or Korea after May 1951. But Millie is far from "Ike in a resentment", he himself is not averse to feeding on global corporations, which, in general, purple on both the EU and the American rednecks (they grab them, survive, and after the usual stormy cries, in the end, everything will be blamed on "these Russians"). Thus, both the "collective West" and China are not averse to dragging out the war: they are able to make good money on this. And is there something preventing the “Kremland” from doing the same? They dealt with, except perhaps with some "excesses" in the form of sharply aggravated "sudden deaths" of individual misunderstood.
    Who is interested in this aspect - see at least https://wek.ru/bill-brauder-zayavil-chto-zagadochnye-smerti-rossijskix-biznesmenov-byli-isklyuchitelno-ubijstvami
    And what, in your opinion (as well as according to the author), the Great Pu has been "plowing" in one direction for 25 years, and so "suddenly" he will be inspired by "national interests" and even push his "faithful comrades-in-arms"? Yes, of course ... to steer the new "feeder"))). For a year until 2024, it is quite profitable for all the "sides of the NWO" (including the West) to pull the cat for different places, and then each of the parties will declare a "difficult, but still achieved victory." And if anyone looks at this whole "Kremlin cunning strategy" as the removal of the tonsils through the anus, then any significant business has always turned out that way for them. After all, they don’t remove themselves, but “scam”.
  • vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 29 November 2022 00: 03
    +2
    Ukraine is one of the founding countries of the UN

    The United Nations (UN) was founded in 1945. At that time, Ukraine was neither a state nor a country. Ukraine was a Union Republic within the Soviet Union. In the Russian Empire (1917), Ukraine as a subject did not exist at all. Ukraine and Ukrainian nationality are artificial, this is the result of the activities of the Bolsheviks.
    There is only one decision on Ukraine in favor of the people of Russia. The state of Ukraine must cease to exist. The entire territory of Ukraine should return to Russia, in the form of regions and republics. The power "elite" of the former Soviet republics of the USSR, including the Russian Federation, has an animal fear for the events of the 90s. "Elite" is well aware that a coup d'état in the USSR is a criminal offense that has no statute of limitations. Hence, the NMD in Ukraine, the enemy is not named, the target is not indicated, there is no strategy. In tactics, extremes and shyness. "Elite" started the war, but does not know how to end it. Both her guardians and writers offer all sorts of options to please her, forgetting to write that the borders of the territory of Russia are determined by the Helsinki Accords of 1975.
  • Pavel volkov Offline Pavel volkov
    Pavel volkov (Pavel Volkov) 29 November 2022 00: 07
    +1
    I don't know, it looks like this to me:
    Everything will return to the state of the borders of 2014. Only Crimea is part of Russia.
    For, it is not at all clear what is happening at the front. Minimum steps in Donbass.
    Having liberated the village, we lose a huge territory (Kherson, Lyman)
  • Igor Offline Igor
    Igor (Vladimirovich) 29 November 2022 05: 06
    +1
    it’s so funny when a country that has completely lost its own is trying to share something there. The Russian Federation can only think about how to try, or more precisely, “not to lose what was stashed”, or how to paint it now to move in general, having come up with some kind of ala-pseudo-victory, saving face .
    1. soloist2424 Offline soloist2424
      soloist2424 (Oleg) 29 November 2022 10: 37
      -1
      It seems that SVO has not ended yet?
      1. Igor Offline Igor
        Igor (Vladimirovich) 29 November 2022 23: 14
        0
        solist2424 (Oleg), so it ended with a "planned offensive back near Kyiv" and then the usual war began. Although it is very convenient to call it yours, because you can change the campaign goals and at any moment declare yourself the winner.
    2. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 29 November 2022 17: 00
      -1
      Igor (Vladimirovich)
      How is your sewerage there? Light often give?
      And think about what gifts will be for the New Year!
      1. Igor Offline Igor
        Igor (Vladimirovich) 29 November 2022 23: 20
        -2
        boriz (boriz), but think about how the Armed Forces of Ukraine are everything to a light bulb (they ALL have autonomous and even in the most powerful arrivals they have always been in the light and water) and the civilian suffers stupidly (this is how interesting the Russian Federation is changing the Ukrainian government, which is already not a single gram does not suffer). And besides, this is mostly people of advanced age who suffer, since young people and people with money (and they have a shaft and a cart in addition in Ukraine) adapt to this more easily. but which the eref literally pushes with its feet to go to war with itself, it will even be forced to go where there is light and good money - into the army. Well, in the Russian Federation they will quickly begin to forget about our sewerage, when there will be not enough places in the cemetery and count -the number of employees in the Armed Forces of Ukraine will constantly increase. Yes, and, for information, I personally have a private house and I almost give a damn about all your gloating. I personally have everything.
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 30 November 2022 13: 19
          0
          Does the Armed Forces of Ukraine have enterprises independent of electricity and water for the production and repair of weapons?
          And the people working at these enterprises will work well without heat, water, sewerage, food (to produce and bring food, electricity is also needed). And they, stupidly, will get to work?
          The railroad that carries food, ammunition, fuel, reinforcements for the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not work without electricity. Even if you put diesel locomotives on them (which are few). Auto-blocking, locomotive automation, turnouts, alarms, and just computers in the control room will not work. There will be no fuel for diesel locomotives. Even what is left, will you fill it with buckets? Control rooms, diesel generators and fuel depots at the railway. tode gouging at the expense of times. The targets are stationary, the coordinates are known, everything was built under the USSR. They haven't created anything of their own in 30 years.
          Will hospitals operate without water and electricity? Without food? Without drugs?
          How will the Armed Forces of Ukraine fight without rotation in warm rooms?
          There is so much more I can write here. You have not yet understood what a COMPLETE lack of electricity is. If you start turning it off from the eastern regions, and in a week start spreading the procedure to the west, then people will run first, and then the Armed Forces of Ukraine. They will run to the western borders, along the bridges, which have been carefully left unharmed for this.
          Name at least one military-technical reason why all this is impossible?
          You are gradually being prepared for this, even your clerks have begun to unobtrusively explain to you that it is better and safer for you to move away from the cities, and even better out of the country. Watch your media. And you're all dressing up here.
          It doesn't reach you at all.

          I personally have everything.

          I recognize the national mentality. It's easier for you, sit and wait for our army. Then you will say that you have always been for Russia and you should be used in a non-highly paid job, and you can tell who has always been against Russia ...
          1. Igor Offline Igor
            Igor (Vladimirovich) 30 November 2022 22: 00
            -2
            boriz (boriz_, your army ... to the point of impossibility. Even in so-called "pro-Russian cities" NOBODY has been waiting for the Russian army for a long time. You yourself created the myth about the "second army of the world" and successfully destroyed it yourself. Your army is nothing and is called no way. You have disgraced yourself to the point of impossibility. And now you are still telling tales about "someone is showing off."
            And, it seems, it’s you who reviewed your media. I haven’t watched my 10 years. BUT I see with my own eyes and think with MY brains what is happening. Here, on this site a year ago, I was banned for the TRUTH that I wrote. And I wrote, that there is NO “analogue” for the Russian Federation, there is no normal air force, no drones, no strength to fight NATO with conventional weapons, because both technically and quantitatively it is much inferior and remains nuclear weapons, and most importantly - HOW and what the Russian Federation will offer the Ukrainians - what ideology, how are you going to continue to feed people? They laughed at me when the Americans sharply ticked off from Afghanistan, and wrote that this was a trap and not everything was so simple. It was not in vain that they began to hastily prepare for something. And what turned out to be wrong? Often, jingoistic patriots do much more harm than good.
            Yes, yes, mister, an expert on the national mentality.
            There are enterprises for the repair of equipment, etc. in the West. Everything is being transported there, like equipment, etc. It’s too late to destroy the logistics. There will be little sense from this. even Uzbeks don’t put up with Tajiks anymore. You know a lot about window dressing. Congratulations on what!
            And now only one thing remains: to find mechanisms to beautifully end the war and not lose face with the invader. But it’s better to give it away. For further, for the Russian Federation, this could become a state disaster.

            Fly, fly like that. Shoot, shoot like that .... I'll wave to them.

            So if you don’t know how to give anything, then wave your hand to Ukraine.
            1. Nelton Offline Nelton
              Nelton (Oleg) 30 November 2022 22: 52
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              Quote: Igor
              they themselves created the myth about the "second army of the world" and they themselves successfully destroyed it.

              The second one was considered taking into account the Strategic Missile Forces (including nuclear submarines), which took the lion's share of the resources from the military budget - the 5th in the world.
              1. Igor Offline Igor
                Igor (Vladimirovich) 1 December 2022 11: 43
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                Nelton (Oleg) if you estimate how much your commander-in-chief and K steals from the military budget, then not on the 5th, but somewhere on the 25th.
                1. Nelton Offline Nelton
                  Nelton (Oleg) 1 December 2022 12: 46
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                  Quote: Igor
                  how much your commander-in-chief and K steals from the military budget

                  I dare to believe that rumors of theft are greatly exaggerated.
                  Direct is impossible in principle, even purchases at an inflated cost with a subsequent rollback are very difficult.

                  The fact is the fact - the military budget is less than that of India or Britain.
                  And it is necessary to shove it into this budget - the deployment of Sarmatians / Yars, new SSBNs, promising Su-57s, updating the missile attack warning system, all other reconnaissance satellites ...
                  And as far as I know, in those India / Britain, the deployment of their own strategic nuclear forces, nuclear submarines and satellites is absolutely no faster than the Russian one.

                  Accordingly, much less was left for conventional forces from that budget than for countries that have the entire budget for conventional forces and go.

                  A positive result - the United States is diligently restraining the escalation of the conflict so as not to test the performance characteristics of those Yars and Boreys in practice.

                  Negative -
                  The Aerospace Forces were not able to suppress air defense, sitting 99% of the time with their radars turned off, but receiving real-time information from NATO.
                  (the rest is a derivative of the inability to suppress air defense).

                  And x / z how to solve this problem in general.
                  Especially considering that all possible solutions are limited by the weakness of the electronic component base.
                  1. Igor Offline Igor
                    Igor (Vladimirovich) 1 December 2022 14: 31
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                    Nelton (Oleg) rumors of theft, if exaggerated, then not much. Even the ardent optimist, science fiction writer and lover of Putin, Khazin (although he is a very smart and interesting uncle), who said that in 2-3 weeks the Russian Federation would do away with Ukraine, went crazy and later recognized the fantastic theft in Russia.
                    And x / s how to solve this problem at all - the leadership of the air forces should have thought about this even BEFORE the war in the first place. They knew that it would be so. A deuce for their homework.
                    1. Nelton Offline Nelton
                      Nelton (Oleg) 1 December 2022 15: 53
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                      Quote: Igor
                      admitted fantastic theft in Russia.

                      (if it doesn’t make it difficult, use a quote in the design, or at least an empty line to separate, to which you answer your answer)

                      At the expense of "fantastic" - these are all emotional assessments.
                      We know the estimates of the budgets of the countries of the world, the estimate of the number of armed forces
                      (high staff costs in all countries)
                      fragmentary information about major acquisitions - contracts for the supply of aircraft, the commissioning of large ships, satellite launches.
                      I do not see that countries with a comparable budget would put into operation more aircraft / nuclear submarines / missiles / satellites than the Russian Federation.

                      Quote: Igor
                      the leadership of the air force should have thought about this in the first place BEFORE the war. They knew it would. Two for their homework.

                      It is obvious that complete voluntarism reigns in decision-making.
                      What one person decides, then everyone does it.
                      And they give the information to the top exactly the one that this person wants to hear.

                      So deuce to all of us that allowed this triumph of voluntarism.
            2. boriz Offline boriz
              boriz (boriz) 1 December 2022 01: 45
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              Either you didn’t read the comment, or there’s nothing to say.
              1. Igor Offline Igor
                Igor (Vladimirovich) 1 December 2022 11: 42
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                boriz (boriz), that is you, like, you didn’t read my answer or don’t understand what it is about. Okay, more intelligibly.
                Name at least one military-technical reason why all this is impossible? - yes, for the armed forces of the Russian Federation it is already IMPOSSIBLE. She does NOT have the resources to do this completely (Ukraine is a very large country, and the armed forces of the Russian Federation are very weak), but now it is already too late At first, this was a more meaningful move. For the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the effect of strikes on the power system is of little use. A slight slowdown and no more.
                And the people working at these enterprises, they will work well without heat, water ... - people are leaving en masse for the West, and the repair of spare and other equipment has been given there. What kind of heat do the Poles lack, etc. ?!
                You have not yet understood what a COMPLETE lack of electricity is. - it’s you and others like you who absolutely DO NOT understand that the Armed Forces of Ukraine had, have and will have EVERYTHING for the war. Yes, all officials are completely and completely satisfied with the almost complete absence of the population in the country - so fight much EASIER! Precisely because in the Russian Federation in general there is a lot of power and just like in / in Ukraine they are brainwashed with leftist nonsense, etc., the Russian Federation is TOTALLY losing everywhere and in everything, but they cannot understand everything why, although they already explain it on their fingers why, but they will never understand.
        2. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 30 November 2022 16: 05
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          Maybe that will comfort you.
          https://t.me/c/1650798130/13470
          https://t.me/stranaua/77924
  • alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 29 November 2022 05: 55
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    The most realistic way was proposed by the late Vladimir Volfovich Zhirinovsky. Westerners to the Poles. They will deal with them. Restitution and other charms of joy will not cause Banderva. Instead, demand Suwalki. The Psheks will agree. With joy. The corpses flowing into Poland sober them up a little. You can negotiate with the Hungarians. There is nothing to talk about with the Romanians. With the entry of the RF Armed Forces into Transnistria. Ukraine, within any of its borders, is a threat to Russia for centuries. Determine its status within the borders of Russia, approximately like Poland within the borders of the Russian Empire .. Leave them happy, let them cormorants. Let them draw the currency. But no armed forces. Only the police. Well, a determined little man to look after. Surovikin would have approached the post of governor-general. And you look, in a couple of generations, completely Russian citizens will appear there without any Bandera and Nazi hassles
    1. soloist2424 Offline soloist2424
      soloist2424 (Oleg) 29 November 2022 10: 38
      -1
      Everything is fine, but I'm afraid the Americans will not agree.
  • Blast Offline Blast
    Blast (Vladimir) 29 November 2022 08: 08
    +1
    Well, the precedent with referendums has already been created, so there should be referendums in other territories as well. Of course, only after establishing control over the entire territory of Ukraine. And as a state, Ukraine must cease to exist.
  • Oleg V. Offline Oleg V.
    Oleg V. (Oleg Vladimirovich) 29 November 2022 09: 45
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    They won't calm down... But even if they capitulate, Ukraine will cease to exist, they won't calm down anyway. They will adapt, pretend to be loyal and harm. Ruin Russia from the inside. He may not believe their loyalty and simply force them to do menial work, close universities, government positions, etc. for them. But this is not our method, as the President will say. Physical destruction is out of the question. They will not understand us - neither enemies, nor allies, nor our own society. In general, a vicious circle.
  • Alexey P. Offline Alexey P.
    Alexey P. (Alexey P.) 29 November 2022 09: 49
    +1
    something unclear about

    Ukraine is one of the founding countries of the UN

    when the UN was founded, the Ukrainian SSR was part of the USSR. And now it will become part of Russia (maybe only without Lviv and Ternopopl - they can be given to the Poles, let them pay for the Volhynia with Bandera), only this way it will be safe for us.
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 1 December 2022 01: 50
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      Ukraine was part of the USSR. But Stalin was in power, he pushed through that Ukraine and Belarus had a voice in the UN.
  • kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 29 November 2022 09: 57
    +1
    The struggle to preserve Nazi Ukraine is entering its final stage. And we must remember that in power, I'm not talking about the near-powerful thieves' elite, there are a lot of supporters of this.
  • paramaribo55 kmt (paramaribo55 kmt) 29 November 2022 11: 19
    +3
    Again half-measures, again a step forward, a step sideways and two steps back, some sort of "political technology cunning schemes". There can be only one victory over Ukraine, Firstly, on the entire territory with the destruction of all infrastructure, let them move to villages, heat with firewood, dig in the ground, Secondly, the prohibition of "Ukrainianism" as a fascist ideology, following the example of the "Islamic state" banned in the Russian Federation, like Catherine 2, at one time banned the zaporizh.sech. And thirdly, to do all this as harshly as possible. There is no fraternal people, but there is an enemy, cunning, arrogant and ruthless. And the sooner the authorities in the Russian Federation understand this, the faster the victory will be.
  • Vlad Sirs Offline Vlad Sirs
    Vlad Sirs (Sirius NVL) 29 November 2022 12: 28
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    Scenarios, scenarios)) this is based on the complete defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, proxies of allies and surrender. Is today's Russia capable of such a thing? No. Therefore, this scenario is not relevant. As a result, the control zone of the Russian Federation will not change much from the current one. A ceasefire and the start of negotiations are possible, most of Ukraine will remain under the control of the West, perhaps the Kremlin will be allowed to save face in the form of indulgences for the Russian language and Ukraine's non-membership in NATO. Well, somehow it will be so real at the finish line of this awkward one.
    1. Igor Offline Igor
      Igor (Vladimirovich) 29 November 2022 23: 26
      -2
      +100 Vlad Srs (Sirius NVL) ! The words of a sane person. Respect to you!
  • rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 29 November 2022 12: 49
    +2
    Surkov, of course, is his own .. whose, but he is not the ideologist of all these Minsks, the main culprit sits in the Kremlin, it was he who brought all these Minsks to life, and as for the post-war device of the outskirts, then my opinion, a purely sofa iksperd, there should not be such a state ukraine, everything should go to their mother territories
  • Semyon Sukhov Offline Semyon Sukhov
    Semyon Sukhov (Semyon Sukhov) 29 November 2022 23: 48
    +1
    Therefore, the height of cynicism looked ..... negotiations on the return of the DPR and LPR to Ukraine.

    Even more shameful was Putin's speech at a meeting with the mothers of soldiers, when he pretended to be a fool .... Why was it honest not to say that we were not ready for today's situation with sanctions, etc. It was a shame to watch and listen ...
    1. Oleg V. Offline Oleg V.
      Oleg V. (Oleg Vladimirovich) 30 November 2022 16: 59
      +1
      Yeah, I would say honestly ... Such a screech would have risen: "So why did you start all this if you weren't ready. And where does the money go from resources, from pensions, taxes?" All our troubles come from our mentality: "We solve problems as they come." Anticipating a problem and preparing to solve it is not destiny. So until the roasted rooster pecks, etc. etc.
  • Igor Viktorovich Berdin 30 November 2022 09: 53
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    New Russia into Russia as separate regions without any unification, even into the Russian Federal District. Little Russia into a state allied with the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus. Galicia, Sev. Bukovina, Transcarpathia to their historical homelands.
  • mimocodil Offline mimocodil
    mimocodil (Mimicrocodil) 30 November 2022 13: 37
    -1
    They really don't like us there now, that's a fact.

    That's putting it mildly.

    Perhaps it would be the right decision to take Galicia and Volyn under the tripartite protectorate of Russia, Belarus and Poland

    The author, with perseverance worthy of better use, in all publications pushes the idea of ​​the mandatory participation of Belarus in the NVO and the possible further reorganization of Ukraine. I wonder if Minsk needs it?
  • Leonid Dymov Offline Leonid Dymov
    Leonid Dymov (Leonid) 30 November 2022 20: 39
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    The war plan will show. The minimum program is to cut off Ukraine from the Black Sea. It is a delusion to believe that the denazification of Ukraine will end with the occupation of the territory of Ukraine by the RF Armed Forces. All Bandera: "Right Sector", "Azov", etc. will be taken from Ukraine to camps in Poland, Romania and the Baltic states, from where they will continue to fight with Russia. To protect yourself from the Ukrainian Nazis, you need to destroy the EU.
    1. Nelton Offline Nelton
      Nelton (Oleg) 30 November 2022 21: 58
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      Quote: Leonid Dymov
      The minimum program is to cut off Ukraine from the Black Sea

      Come down from heaven to earth.
      The maximum program is to keep Melitopol.
  • Adm Hts Offline Adm Hts
    Adm Hts (AdmHts) 1 December 2022 22: 19
    +1
    there shouldn't be anything left...
    any, not just "independence", but also bilingualism, will lead to another anti-Russia ...
  • Sergio63 Offline Sergio63
    Sergio63 (Sergey Petrovich) 2 December 2022 05: 22
    +1
    Eliminate first, then join! And completely, including Zapadenschina and Transcarpathia with Bukovina! No territorial concessions to either the Poles or the Hungarians, and even more so to these Romales !! The population of the 5 western regions should generally be resettled in Siberia, or rather immediately in the Kolyma!! Prisoners of war and especially narrow-minded people should be used as a labor army to restore the destroyed infrastructure, and then a link to Kolyma ... How else with them, again wait 50 years! ??
    1. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich 7 December 2022 15: 57
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      Not to annex, but to return their territory given away by fools-fascist shortcomings.
  • Sergei Fonov Offline Sergei Fonov
    Sergei Fonov (sergey fonov) 2 December 2022 19: 16
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    It is very interesting about the skin of an unkilled bear, how many hunters hunt this bear, or rather a bear? While there is only one hunter, it is true that there are others who want to take part in the division, but they are not hunters, they are hyenas. In my opinion, it is too early to judge what will happen to Ukraine before a complete victory, and if the victory is not complete, then there is nothing to talk about yet.
  • Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich 7 December 2022 15: 55
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    What is Ukraine? A state of ghouls.