"Big deal": Western media tell what Kherson was "exchanged" for


The West and Ukraine do not cease to mock and rejoice (however, like the Russian liberal party, which behaves worse than open enemies of Russia) of the transfer of Russian troops across the Dnieper and the abandonment of the RF Armed Forces of Kherson. However, this event has more political background, rather than "military defeat", as all Russophobes count on, regardless of their origin.


An analysis of news reports shows that several significant events, including the “regrouping” from Kherson to the other side of the Dnieper, appeared simultaneously. They can be both “accidental” coincidences and real causes (and consequences) of what happened. The result is a rather impressive list, which claims to exceed the "threshold of confidence" and statistical error, since it contains more than three fait accomplis.

Each of these facts, like the abandonment of Kherson, appeared, apparently, as a result of behind-the-scenes large-scale negotiations that led to the painful event for every Russian, the “exchange” of a Russian city for dubious benefits. And the very fact of leaving the iconic settlement, taken by Russian troops at the very beginning of the NMD, showed all the other reasons for this event.

If you collect a selection of messages on the topic in one column, then finding a certain sequence is quite within your power. At the very beginning of the operation to abandon Kherson, a statement by the Russian Foreign Ministry about the possibility of negotiations with Kyiv without “preconditions” (cancellation of all the goals of the NVO?) appeared as a reaction to the vague deceptive promises of President Vladimir Zelensky about some potential opportunity to conduct a dialogue with Moscow.

Then there was a message that Washington extended for more than six months, until mid-May 2023, the permission of credit institutions for transactions related to the export of energy from Russia.

However, even more revealing is the process of lifting sanctions against businessman Roman Abramovich, who has done too much harm to the Russian Federation in terms of image in order to continue to be considered a Russian. He was involved in many dubious deals to free foreign mercenaries who were killing our soldiers. Actually, Abramovich's interest is clear - according to a number of Western media reports, he gained control over $6 billion that was previously blocked due to sanctions.

Then heap went messages from the commodity markets. Firstly, the London Metal Exchange refused to ban the circulation of products from the Russian Federation and, secondly, the United States does not mind India buying Russian oil at a price above the price ceiling, without using the services of Western companies. In addition, the Netherlands allowed the shipment of 20 thousand tons of Russian fertilizers to Africa, stuck in the port due to sanctions against the owner of the cargo.

Could this be all coincidence? I want to believe. However, it's up to everyone to decide. The main thing is that this does not turn out to be a “big deal” with the West for the sake of a soft sanctions regime, like the one that was in Iran until 2018 under President Hassan Rouhani. Such agreements will only turn into a fortune for members of the elites whose children will return to the West again, as well as for energy exporters in which the EU countries are interested. For Russia as a whole, “agreements”, they are gestures of good will, concluded with the West that does not keep its word, will bring nothing but humiliation and shame.
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  1. Dimy4 Offline Dimy4
    Dimy4 (Dmitriy) 12 November 2022 07: 42
    +34
    businessman Roman Abramovich

    What a businessman he is. Thief and bandit.
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 13 November 2022 00: 57
      +12
      Together with Derepaska and Fridman, he is one of the main representatives of the fifth column in power.
    2. Baba Yaga Offline Baba Yaga
      Baba Yaga (Baba Yaga) 13 November 2022 10: 38
      +4
      I agree!!!
      Today, a video from the Wagners was released in the cart. The sledgehammer of retribution is called, published in the channels: Grayzone, Rosich, Vladlen Tatarsky and others !!!
      I think this is a great video for the nomination of Prigozhin for the presidential elections!!!
      He even came up with a slogan: “I will “knock out” from the country of traitors” !!!
      Check it out for sure!!!
      Prigogine for President!!!
    3. Alexfly Offline Alexfly
      Alexfly (Alexander) 13 November 2022 10: 42
      +4
      Real businessman! He started with soft toys, later switched to petroleum products and came to the attention of another titled businessman Berezovsky, who brought him into the light of the business of the Russian Federation .... which you can’t call other than thieves ..
      1. DymOk_v_dYmke Offline DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke (Alexander) 15 November 2022 22: 13
        0
        Quote: AlexFly
        Real businessman! Started with soft toys

        Well, let him end up like Nikita Belykh by stuffing soft toys in the zone with foam rubber.
    4. Sidor Bodrov Offline Sidor Bodrov
      Sidor Bodrov 14 November 2022 11: 07
      +5
      Until the Russians sweep away United Russia, things will still be there. The government, corrupt officials, local authorities - all are tied to the oligarchic business, which grazes all the Russian government and its offspring and godfathers, who have crawled into the middle-class business. And the president is the tail of a pissed-off dog, which is unable to wag it (the dog).
  2. Skipper Offline Skipper
    Skipper (Skipper) 12 November 2022 07: 47
    +24
    It's one thing when there is a military necessity...it's another thing when the ears of treason...betrayal....greed....theft and rot in the country's leadership stick out. Lots of questions and inconsistencies. If you are afraid that the enemy will blow up the hydroelectric power station and cut off the troops, then why were you afraid just now ... and all 8 months was normal? From a military point of view, you can justify .... no question ..... but if all the same it is at the core ... hiding behind military necessity ..... self-interest and all of the above, then this is ....... ..
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 13 November 2022 01: 07
      +5
      If you believe the Western media, then NATO weapons play a really important role, which our leadership does not want to admit. In short, according to their message, they simply defeated our group there with a huge number of 500s, 300s and 200s. Of course, this is all enemy propaganda and what I will say will sound strange, but I would rather like to believe this propaganda because otherwise it is just a betrayal.
      1. lord-palladore-11045 (Konstantin Puchkov) 13 November 2022 01: 54
        +7
        Isn't that a betrayal??? Yes, 100%!
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  3. Michael 68 Offline Michael 68
    Michael 68 12 November 2022 08: 00
    +27
    Now they have given away the Russian city of Kherson and the surrounding territories. Before that Kyiv Sumy Chernihiv Kharkov. I still don't remember what. In short, they gave everything they could. But Kherson is formally Russian. Then they will give the Crimea. By analogy, they will not be able to supply the troops. Further Donetsk and Lugansk. They will quietly abandon Transnistria. Then we have big problems with the supply of Kaliningrad. We will give it to Poland under the deal. We also have problems with the supply of the Kuriles and Kamchatka. Let's give it to Japan. We will give the Far East and Siberia to China. I named all the regions that Moscow will give away so that honestly earned money, property and children are not touched? I think that our talented managers will find a dozen other regions that can be given away. And the reasons why this can be done are not difficult to find. The touchstone passed. We wait.
    1. Atmospheric QUEEN (Atmospheric QUEEN) 12 November 2022 09: 54
      +1
      Here is everything about how Putin gives away Russian lands............https://dzen.ru/media/kursdela/rossiia-darit-svoiu-territoriiu-kitaiu-i-nato-prosto- tak-60e3fb6d4660f21f593cc9fb
    2. Dingo Offline Dingo
      Dingo (Victor) 12 November 2022 17: 47
      +7
      In the war between Courchevel and Kherson, Courchevel won.
    3. Alexfly Offline Alexfly
      Alexfly (Alexander) 13 November 2022 10: 45
      +1
      A defeat in this incomprehensible war can lead to the collapse of the entire Russian Federation .. as a subject .. What the other world dreams of from the moment they understand their own significance of the Old Lady of England ..
    4. Piramidon Offline Piramidon
      Piramidon (Stepan) 13 November 2022 11: 50
      -3
      Quote: Mikhail 68
      Then they will give the Crimea. By analogy, they will not be able to supply the troops. Further Donetsk and Lugansk. They will quietly abandon Transnistria

      That way you will give up all of Russia, all-pervading prophet.
    5. assault 2019 Offline assault 2019
      assault 2019 (assault 2019) 15 November 2022 19: 36
      +1
      Maybe it’s better to give United Russia in full force, the same Crimea and Donbass are easier to feed than EP .....
  4. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 12 November 2022 08: 12
    0
    Western media write nonsense. Surrender a Russian city, suffer huge reputational losses in order to supply the West with raw materials? Or for a certain citizen to receive 6 billion?

    Dunhu, having learned about the civil strife, decided to take advantage of it and demanded a wonderful horse - the treasure of the Huns and the beloved wife of Mode. The elders wanted to refuse indignantly, but Mode said: “Why, living next to people, spare one horse or one woman for them?” - and gave both. Then the Dunhu demanded a strip of desert (southwest of Kalgan), inconvenient for cattle breeding and uninhabited. The land was, strictly speaking, a draw; border guards stood on the outskirts of it: in the west of the Xiongnu, in the east of the Dunhu. The elders of the Huns considered that because of such an inconvenient land there was no need to start a dispute: "You can give and not give." But Mode said:The land is the foundation of the state, how can you give it away?!” - and cut off the heads of all those who advised to give it back.
    1. lord-palladore-11045 (Konstantin Puchkov) 13 November 2022 01: 57
      0
      Too ornate, it needs to be simpler, clearer.
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 13 November 2022 08: 44
        +4
        Highlighted in bold. Moreover, "chopped off the head" should not remain a figure of speech.
  5. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 12 November 2022 09: 09
    +11
    Despite the withdrawal of troops of the Russian Armed Forces from the territory of the Kherson region, the region still retains the status of a subject of the Russian Federation, said Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov.
    According to him, no changes in the law can be adopted, reports TASS. This is a subject of the Russian Federation. Legislatively, this subject is fixed, defined, there can be no changes here,” Peskov said.
    He emphasized that the Kremlin does not regret accepting the Kherson region into Russia. At the same time, he refused to comment on the decision of the Russian Defense Ministry to withdraw Russian troops from Kherson. The Kremlin spokesman recalled that this proposal was made by the commander of the joint group of Russian troops, Sergei Surovikin, and approved by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.
    Peskov urged to contact representatives of the department for comments.

    In my opinion, this is the psycho-physical impasse called insanity.
  6. Fangaro Offline Fangaro
    Fangaro (Fangaro) 12 November 2022 09: 18
    +6
    Increasingly, in articles and comments they write about behind-the-scenes agreements between the West and Russia.
    Or maybe it was intended that way in the first place? CBO with very good results in the first week. Then stop. And the transition to a slow confrontation. After half a year of tyagomotina - negotiations. And the definition of new conditions for interstate relations. What is in politics, what is in the economy, what is the impact on neighboring countries and their citizens.
    1. lord-palladore-11045 (Konstantin Puchkov) 13 November 2022 02: 00
      +1
      Perhaps, but this is already fraught with a civil war in Russia itself.
  7. Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 12 November 2022 09: 50
    +8
    Duc, according to media reports, Elite kids stayed there in the west. They didn't have anything.
    And yachts. And palaces. And bills. And the export of capital is awesome - would it be if everything was taken away there? of course not.
    The sanctions affected the most promoted Oligarchs - Usmanov, Obramovich, Prigozhin and propagandists.

    And the rest - they live quietly there, for example, Yakunin's son - calmly swims from English. passport on a yacht through NATO countries ... and nothing ... (remember Medvedev's son ...)
  8. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Leopold) 12 November 2022 09: 50
    +2
    It looks like the truth. It is no coincidence that another city is "appointed" as the capital of the KhO. That is, Kherson was commissioned for a long time (
  9. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 12 November 2022 10: 12
    -2
    I don’t want to believe in a contract, although it can all be. Around the king we have a lot of traitors and open agents of the enemy.
    1. Spasatel Offline Spasatel
      Spasatel 12 November 2022 12: 16
      +12
      And our king is holy! So what do you think?
      Pop Gapon was already in Russia.
      You don't have to be like him...
    2. pentwer Offline pentwer
      pentwer (Bakhtiyar) 13 November 2022 01: 17
      0
      Why doesn't he punish at least one traitor or agent?
    3. lord-palladore-11045 (Konstantin Puchkov) 13 November 2022 02: 07
      +1
      What's wrong with you? This is a specific agreement, and not the first one. Tell me why Ukrainian railways are not bombed? After all, they carry weapons from all over the world to Ukraine. Because Ukrainian railways are needed by Russian aligars. Why do you need to say? or do you understand?
      1. Vyacheslav Bachurin 14 November 2022 14: 08
        0
        For what? I don't catch up myself. Don't take it for work
    4. Sergey Protopopov (Sergey Protopopov) 13 November 2022 11: 29
      0
      And what, the president already decides nothing?
      1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 13 November 2022 13: 34
        +2
        He never decided anything. Decided by his masters across the ocean. Just like before - for Yeltsin
        1. Nelton Online Nelton
          Nelton (Oleg) 13 November 2022 14: 00
          +4
          He never decided anything. Decided by his masters across the ocean

          This means that the decision to annex both the Crimea and the beginning of the NWO was also made overseas.
          1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
            Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 13 November 2022 16: 17
            +1
            Yes.
            They gave a loan to Putin in order to get the main thing - a "lighter" from Russia and Ukraine for a fire in Europe. Then - Europe weakened by our hands in the form of an industrial appendage, the resources of Russia destroyed by the hands of Europeans. And Crimea - back. Apparently, everything is moving faster with Crimea
            1. Nelton Online Nelton
              Nelton (Oleg) 13 November 2022 18: 56
              -2
              to get the main thing - a "lighter" from Russia

              In the US, no fools, arrange games with fire on a powder keg.
              Those. in a country with nuclear weapons.
              And the resources of a weakened Russia - and in general China will get it sooner.
              1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
                Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 13 November 2022 19: 36
                +2
                There is no powder keg - there is an observance of security measures by the Anglo-Saxons.
                Our TNW and SNW can be used ONLY with the participation of specific persons of senior management. The Anglo-Saxons have probably secured secure control over these individuals. Since they only need to block our use of nuclear weapons, including for threats, one such person is enough for them - Putin. Probably they themselves chose him in 2000, so it was not difficult for them to provide themselves with 100% guarantees of his submission.
                Naturally, they need to periodically check the performance of their channel - this can be served by their outwardly ridiculous, chaotic orders that he carries out.
                Periodically, apparently on Putin's orders, Lavrov and Shoigu officially assure the enemy that Russia will not allow a nuclear war. By doing this, they regularly publicly tie our hands in relation to threats of nuclear weapons against them.
                As for China, this factor in any case poisons their lives. They probably have some kind of plan for that. He just hasn't been seen yet.
  10. zuuukoo Online zuuukoo
    zuuukoo (Sergei) 12 November 2022 10: 42
    +3
    There is an opinion that everything is much simpler.
    Kherson was surrendered for purely military reasons. Because of the inability to keep.

    As for the "conspiracy theories", the number of assumptions on this topic is probably connected only with the hope that everything is not as bad as it really is and that they will somehow agree "up there" (although no one will admit it).
    Well, with a stubborn unwillingness to admit that, following the results of 8 months of the NMD, the Russian army completely lost its initiative and technical superiority and suffered a number of unpleasant defeats.

    Z. Y. : The number of American troops and equipment in Europe is only increasing. Europe itself is militarizing rather quickly.
    Yes, and the main sponsors of Zelensky do not curtail funding.
    1. SIT Offline SIT
      SIT (Stas) 13 November 2022 13: 40
      +1
      The Armed Forces of Ukraine have neither the strength nor the experience to storm a fortified city. They would not climb into Kherson for any Zelensky's gingerbread, because. there, neither 777 nor HIMARS will help much. They need company assault groups and battalion assault squads, and this is, first of all, EXPERIENCE, which the Armed Forces of Ukraine DO NOT have, despite training in Britain and Canada, because. they don't have that experience. Remember how many brave Yankees were picking the unfortunate Fallujah, where, in general, partisans were against them, and not the regular army.
    2. Edvid Offline Edvid
      Edvid 14 November 2022 08: 47
      0
      For the last couple of weeks, in every news release, the possibility of damned NATO members to break through the dam of the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station has been intensely exaggerated, which can lead to large losses of everything and everyone during flooding ... There was already a feeling that this was like rubbing the ears of the electorate and as one of the reasons for leaving Kherson ... Well, they went to the left bank, supposedly to save their group on the west bank. They say it's easier to defend from the left. But after all, the left bank is lower than the right one, and it is primarily subject to the possibility of flooding during the destruction of the Kakhovka dam ...
  11. Spasatel Offline Spasatel
    Spasatel 12 November 2022 12: 13
    +4
    It's amazing how everyone understands everything, but no one offers anything. Who, why, why, for what - there are no problems.
    Is it really not clear that until we eliminate the gangster thieves' power in the country, NOTHING will change ???!!!
    And the sooner we do it, the better it will be for us!!
    1. Rinat Offline Rinat
      Rinat (Rinat) 12 November 2022 12: 39
      0
      Who do you propose to put on the kingdom?
    2. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 13 November 2022 13: 53
      +3
      It is necessary to return the people to the kingdom - to create a mass ruling people's party. The existing parties (ALL), which served as a soft bedding for the current government, are not suitable for this.
      The collapse of the USSR is not about socialism - it is about the serious national illness of its "typical" model.
      We went first. China took into account our experience, abandoned the "standard" and built its own successful national model. Humanity has only one way - to a just society on the planet, the alternative leads to death. We need to take advantage of this mistake, create our own, national model of socialism, and move on. The failure of the world socialist system says only that the "typical" model of socialism does not exist in nature. Each people must go its own way and cost its own national socialism.
      The creation of a state system common to all nations, which our ancestors considered the task of socialism, is simply moving on to the next stage in the development of mankind.
      We need to restore the world socialist system. This potential is still waiting for its continuation in us and in the world around us. As before, this is the only way to defeat the expansion of the Anglo-Saxons by opposing them with a system for building a just society on the planet.
      I wrote about the main reason for the collapse of socialism in the USSR and the way to build its successful national model in the article "How socialism can get out of the blind spot trap" https://dzen.ru/a/Y0SZQ_JEl1tQX2NG
      1. Essex62 Offline Essex62
        Essex62 (Alexander) 15 November 2022 03: 18
        0
        Alexey, I agree with your vision of the problem and the solution of the problem. Just one remark, there is no socialism in China. There, in fact, a slave-owning system, where 300-400 million (by our standards, the number is, of course, huge) party functionaries, bourgeois, with servants and managers mercilessly exploit the labor of a billion, with a large trailer of hard workers who work hard from dawn to dawn for pennies. Well what kind of socialism is this?
        1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
          Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 15 November 2022 10: 40
          +1
          where 300-400 million (by our standards, the number is, of course, huge) party functionaries, bourgeois, with servants and managers mercilessly exploit the labor of a billion,

          It was possible in the USSR, during the years of the first five-year plans, that is how it relates to the leadership of the AUCPB. Was it exploitation, or mobilization in the interests of the country and its future?
          In China, the entire economy is subject to state scientific planning and control. This control is carried out by the CPC - the people's party in the interests of the people who themselves work in it. The fact that the country and the population have to make certain sacrifices is connected with the price for its success in economic competition with the world capitalist system led by the Anglo-Saxons. Capitalism knows no limits in the irresponsible intensification of economies fighting each other. The merit of the CCP is that these sacrifices are directed to the benefit of the country and the people, and not to the ruling class and TNCs. As for the millionaires and billionaires, now, after the accumulation of forces, a turn is being made, relatively speaking, from the NEP to "correct" socialism
          1. Essex62 Offline Essex62
            Essex62 (Alexander) 9 December 2022 01: 45
            0
            You evaluate Chinese realities according to official information, and I, according to the testimony of those living there. If a hard worker does not plow for 14-15 hours a day, he has every opportunity to "rattle". Party overseers are vigilant. And yet China is the most important link in this world capitalist system, because there is, terry capitalism of the 19th century. There is no confrontation with the West there. The West is a market for them, a source of well-being for the elect, and there are not any communists. A communist, if power belongs to the proletariat, private property and the presence of bourgeois hucksters, categorically does not allow in the form of organisms functioning in the wild and dictating their own laws. Saw, pickle, shovel-taiga, channel, for the stubborn - a bullet.
            There will be no proper socialism there.
            It is not correct to compare with industrialization in the USSR, then the whole society plowed, and the bourgeois were strangled. Including those whom Ilyich, for some reason, revived with the NEP.
  12. In passing Offline In passing
    In passing (Galina Rožkova) 12 November 2022 12: 14
    0
    In Telefunken, Thyssen-Krupp, Farbenindustry, there were also American shareholders, where 10%, and where 80%. So it's not surprising. Allies, damn it. Lend-Lease (not to be confused with ukra), provided gunpowder, buttons, stew, jeeps. That's how we live. Continue "calibration", good. Let the mobilized learn well. Keeping a weapon in hand will come in handy.
  13. Rinat Offline Rinat
    Rinat (Rinat) 12 November 2022 12: 37
    -7
    Not convincing. Too shallow steps "concessions" from the West. And here Abramovich, his money does not affect the well-being of our budget. He has not lived in Russia for a long time and has no influence. Where is the connection?
    1. In passing Offline In passing
      In passing (Galina Rožkova) 12 November 2022 13: 55
      +6
      And what did he do in Istanbul? Did you buy iPhones for the people of Azov?
    2. Carmela Offline Carmela
      Carmela (Carmela) 12 November 2022 17: 15
      +4
      Quote: Rinat
      And here Abramovich, his money does not affect the well-being of our budget. He has not lived in Russia for a long time and has no influence. Where is the connection?

      The connection can be very personal, unrelated to the Russian state.
    3. Dingo Offline Dingo
      Dingo (Victor) 12 November 2022 17: 58
      +11
      He has not lived in Russia for a long time and has no influence.

      Interesting ... And who then dangled to Istanbul? With muddy substance Medinsky? Who gave away iPhones to the Nazis? Who served them on the plane, delivering drinks? Nazi Kalina was very pleased with the service...
    4. guest Offline guest
      guest 13 November 2022 01: 13
      0
      Quote: Rinat
      And here Abramovich

      And who is one of the authors of the "gestures of good will"?
      1. Grei grin Offline Grei grin
        Grei grin (Gray Grin) 13 November 2022 20: 03
        +2
        the one who ordered to leave Bucha, Balaklava, Izyum, Kherson, covered with blood of our soldiers, the one who exchanged the bloody executioners of the National Battalions and the bloody Taira, who ordered the release of foreign mercenaries who killed our soldiers and civilians not only in Donbass, but also in Russia, the one who lives by agreement with partners and colleagues and supplies them with oil for their tanks and gas for enterprises that produce weapons going to Ukraine for the Nazis! well, guess the rest yourself it's not difficult!
        1. guest Offline guest
          guest 25 November 2022 02: 27
          0
          I guess who you mean, but don't buy into Western propaganda. And in general, my question was rhetorical and the answer to it would be in the quote I used.
    5. SIT Offline SIT
      SIT (Stas) 13 November 2022 13: 43
      0
      You do not confuse the state budget and Abramovich's pocket. With a probability of 146%, the entire top svolota will make decisions primarily in favor of Abramovich's pocket, and everything else later.
  14. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 13 November 2022 00: 41
    +4
    Hmmm.. disgrace.
  15. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 13 November 2022 02: 40
    +3
    NWO is not a question of Kherson or Ukraine, it is a question of relations between the West and Russia. And the end of the NWO will determine these relationships after the NWO.

    Now a new world order is being formed, many things are interconnected here - economics, geopolitics. The NWO cannot end in a military victory for Russia, either the United States will not be able to allow this, or it will lead to a hard cold war. As well as the victory of NATO, too, can not.

    The end should determine what will be the relationship between the EU and Russia, the US and Russia, the EU and the US and all other countries among themselves. NWO covers the whole world. All conflicts in the world are now one way or another in the context of NWO. NWO affects the conflict between Iran and Israel, with the Saudis, affects China with Taiwan, affects all continents and conflicts. The end of NWO is a very delicate process - either the relationship will be resolved (new world order), or not (most likely a war, or a series of conflicts around the world).
  16. Yuri Bryanskiy Offline Yuri Bryanskiy
    Yuri Bryanskiy (Yuri Bryansky) 13 November 2022 06: 22
    0
    The talkative president serves the oligarchs, not Russia. However, after all, non-Russian people rule the country.
  17. Foxsvl Offline Foxsvl
    Foxsvl (Vladimir) 13 November 2022 09: 03
    +1
    And ukram is something to rejoice at, they are not sideways here, no one asked them at all. If they agreed, it is clearly not with them. The owner decides. They are the battlefield and urfin jus. Colanders on the head and forward. The dumbest part of this whole story.
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  19. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 13 November 2022 12: 04
    -1
    In other words, for the sake of the oligarchs' gesheft, everything and everyone will be surrendered, and the death of thousands of children will go down the drain. What a worthy slap in the face to the servile electorate, devoutly ready to lick all the places "all of them."
  20. Olga Taschilina Offline Olga Taschilina
    Olga Taschilina (Olga Taschilina) 13 November 2022 15: 29
    0
    Quote: Alexey Davydov
    It is necessary to return the people to the kingdom - to create a mass ruling people's party. The existing parties (ALL), which served as a soft bedding for the current government, are not suitable for this.

    There was already a mass ruling people's party. Herd of senile and degenerates. The best of the best, which the people betrayed and laid under the United States.
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 13 November 2022 23: 07
      +1
      If the people cannot figure it out and clear the country of weeds, where can one find someone who will do this for them and in their interests, and not in their own? Once again.
      Russia, which 30 years ago was turned into a nursery for parasites, has no easy and soft path to development in the interests of the people.
      As for the betrayal of the top of the CPSU, this is a consequence of the disease that has developed over time, the "typical" model of socialism adopted by us. During the years of the first five-year plans and the Great Patriotic War, the People's Party acted effectively in the interests of the country and the people and laid a powerful margin of safety for the subsequent years of slowdown and stagnation.
      You just need to refine the model and, together with China, restore the world socialist system
  21. Uncle Borya Offline Uncle Borya
    Uncle Borya (Uncle Borya) 13 November 2022 19: 10
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    Quote: Michael 68
    Now they have given away the Russian city of Kherson and the surrounding territories. Before that Kyiv Sumy Chernihiv Kharkov. I still don't remember what. In short, they gave everything they could. But Kherson is formally Russian. Then they will give the Crimea. By analogy, they will not be able to supply the troops. Further Donetsk and Lugansk. They will quietly abandon Transnistria. Then we have big problems with the supply of Kaliningrad. We will give it to Poland under the deal. We also have problems with the supply of the Kuriles and Kamchatka. Let's give it to Japan. We will give the Far East and Siberia to China. I named all the regions that Moscow will give away so that honestly earned money, property and children are not touched? I think that our talented managers will find a dozen other regions that can be given away. And the reasons why this can be done are not difficult to find. The touchstone passed. We wait.

    Dreamed
  22. Mister who Offline Mister who
    Mister who (Max) 13 November 2022 19: 42
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    It pleases if ours can come to an agreement with the West, a bad peace is better than war, but let alone the bourgeoisie will find something to agree on. It would not be bad to buy Zelya for a long game!
  23. In fact, the explanations of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation are not accepted by the country. But the signs of a "contract" given by the author make one doubt the analytical abilities of the person who wrote it.
    When too many preconditions are rolled out, everyone understands the lack of desire to start negotiations. We cannot show the absence of desire yet.
    Both the "London Metal Exchange refused to ban the circulation of products from the Russian Federation" and the decision on 6 billion Abramovich are associated with a lack of aluminum on the world market.
    "The Netherlands allowed the shipment of 20 tons of Russian fertilizer to Africa, stuck in the port due to sanctions against the owner of the cargo," because the UN requires at least partial compliance with the grain deal. In addition, the Netherlands has already issued 91 permits for exemption from sanctions against Russia long before leaving Kherson.
    "Washington has extended for more than six months, until mid-May 2023, the permission of credit institutions for transactions related to the export of energy resources from Russia" in order not to increase the price of gasoline and diesel fuel in the United States itself. India was allowed to buy Russian oil because it has bought and will continue to buy without their permission, and it is too early to quarrel with the Indians.
    Moreover, on November 15 and 16, the G-20 meeting will be held, at which Western countries will once again try to convince the normal world of the need to isolate Russia. Most likely, this time they will fail. And the sanctions imposed against the “two percent” Russia seriously undermine the economic and political situation of the “whole” world. Exhortations about the interdependence of the world's leading economies turned out to be groundless. The stubbornness of the EU leadership in continuing the sanctions war within the current framework will lead to the loss of advanced positions by the West as early as 2024, moreover, with the possible collapse of the EU and even the United States. Somehow you have to get out of the current self-trapping. But how do you save face? I have an opportunity! As if by chance, the Dutch court announced that on November 17 a verdict would be announced with the approval of those responsible for the crash of the Malaysian Boeing 747-200 in 2014. The court will declare Ukraine guilty, and on the basis of this powerful informational reason, the West can curtail all support for the non-fluffy Square and lift the main (but by no means all) sanctions of the last eight years. Or they will postpone the trial to the spring of 2023.
  24. Grei grin Offline Grei grin
    Grei grin (Gray Grin) 13 November 2022 19: 53
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    In Russia, there is one patriot of their Motherland, this is the people, the rest are rogues, traders and obvious traitors, the fifth column, and while they are in power there will be no victories, there will be one shame for the country and the people, I think 30 years was enough for everyone to understand who they are and what they are do it here!
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  26. usm5 Offline usm5
    usm5 (George) 15 November 2022 10: 17
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    The paradoxical behavior of Russia, in my opinion, does not become paradoxical if we assume that the Russian leadership has come to the conclusion that the country as a whole is not ready for a war with NATO (conventional and thermonuclear). Hence the ostentatious slowness at the front, because there is probably no one and nothing to fight yet .. If you need time and resources to eliminate the identified inconsistencies, you will look for it maneuvering at the front, politics and the economy. If the command of the group came to the conclusion that the right bank of the Dnieper with Kherson could not be held anyway, then it was better to leave it, exchanging it for at least something. We don't know the real picture. But war is mathematics, where sometimes you have to choose the least destructive out of many bad options.
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 15 November 2022 14: 52
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      after all, war is mathematics, where sometimes you have to choose the least destructive from many bad options.

      In mathematics, a problem has a final result of its solution.
      Concessions and retreat lead us to 100% destruction. From this path chosen by the authorities, the conclusion follows:
      - or she is treacherously irresponsible
      - or she betrays the country, being responsible to the enemy
      Based on the key actions of the authorities over the course of 30 years that have led us to the current situation, I think that this is still a betrayal.
      In order to get out of this hole, in any case, we need to completely change the government. Russia can only be saved by the power of the people
  27. lord-palladore-11045 (Konstantin Puchkov) 16 November 2022 23: 34
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    And for all these candy wrappers, Russia was sold ... Creatures. tfu