Russian troops leave Kherson


The head of the Russian defense department, Sergei Shoigu, ordered Russian units to withdraw to the left bank of the Dnieper. The Minister noted that the most important task at the moment is to save the lives of soldiers and care for civilians. Thus, the RF Armed Forces are actually leaving Kherson.


Sergei Surovikin, commander of the Russian troops in the special operation zone, noted that from August to October, the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost about 9,5 thousand servicemen near Kherson, which is 7-8 times more than the losses of the allied forces. In addition, Russian air defenses shoot down more than 80 percent of enemy missiles, but the remaining 20 percent inflict heavy damage on the city.

According to Surovikin, Kherson and the surrounding territories cannot be properly supplied, so the most optimal scenario for further developments is the withdrawal of Russian troops to the left bank of the Dnieper and the organization of defense along the river.

Shoigu agreed to the withdrawal of units. Surovikin reported that this maneuver would be carried out in the near future.


Meanwhile, the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Maria Zakharova, spoke on November 9 that Moscow is open to dialogue with the West.

We remain open to negotiations. We never gave up on them. We are ready to conduct them, of course, taking into account the realities that are developing at the moment

Zakharova emphasized.
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  1. Mobius Offline Mobius
    Mobius 9 November 2022 18: 52
    +25
    The head of the Russian defense department, Sergei Shoigu, ordered Russian units to withdraw to the left bank of the Dnieper. The Minister noted that the most important task at the moment is to save the lives of soldiers and care for civilians. Thus, the RF Armed Forces are actually leaving Kherson.

    In a comment on this topic to another article, in my hearts, I noticed that we could not hold a single settlement, which we had liberated over the entire period of the NWO ...

    Maybe I'm wrong, wrong???
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 10 November 2022 00: 31
      0
      Offhand - Rubizhne, Lisichansk, Severodonetsk, the entire territory of the LPR, Sands, Mariupol? I have not heard that they returned under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
      1. Mobius Offline Mobius
        Mobius 10 November 2022 00: 56
        +2
        Quote: Stanislav Bykov
        Offhand - Rubizhne, Lisichansk, Severodonetsk, the entire territory of the LPR, Sands, Mariupol? I have not heard that they returned under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

        How not to throw up, but the examples are not suitable No. .

        Fortunately, the VFU have not yet reached Lisichansk and Severodonetsk, Mariupol, and therefore they were not defended.

        And Rubizhnoye and Peski, just not large villages, from the laurels of the capture of which any, more or less reasonable and honest military leader will deny, because of the extremely high losses during the assaults ...

        But there is also a "counter-example" - Pavlovka near Ugledar, which was abandoned by Russian troops in April, and is now being stormed again, suffering high losses.

        This is village , but how will we fight off Kherson, Izyum, Kupyansk, Krasny Lyman?
        1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
          Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 10 November 2022 01: 28
          -1
          Fortunately, the VFU have not yet reached Lisichansk and Severodonetsk, Mariupol, and therefore they were not defended.

          No need to lie, and our Armed Forces fiddled with Lisichansk and Severodonetsk for quite a long time, if the dill did not control these cities, why weren't the LPR units occupied them even before the NWO. And how long did they clear Mariupol? How many geeks with a swastika came out and surrendered from Azovstal after they were driven there

          And Rubizhnoye and Peski, just not large villages, from the laurels of the capture of which any, more or less reasonable and honest military leader will deny, because of the extremely high losses during the assaults ...

          It doesn’t matter, it was from Pesok, as well as from Avdiivka, that Donetsk was shelled, and they could not be driven out by the DPR on their own.
          1. Mobius Offline Mobius
            Mobius 10 November 2022 06: 24
            +5
            Quote: Stanislav Bykov
            No need to lie, and our Armed Forces fiddled with Lisichansk and Severodonetsk for quite a long time, if the dill did not control these cities, why weren’t the LPR units occupied them even before the NWO.

            Are you out of your mind at all? You about Foma, you about Yeryoma ...
            It's not about HOW, WHO and WHEN took this or that settlement, but about our desire to keep it after.

            Aren't you surprised (at least) by the ease with which we surrender cities that cost us so much to take?
            1. Ignatov Oleg Georgievich (Oleg) 10 November 2022 20: 30
              -1
              Mobius, all this is a lure, which is understood even in Kyiv, unlike some of the local hefty prophets. Otherwise, it has long since entered Kherson *on the shoulders of the retreating enemy*. Wait and see.
        2. Sergey_2 Offline Sergey_2
          Sergey_2 (Za Mir) 10 November 2022 14: 22
          -2
          You do not understand anything in tactics and strategy. Accordingly, your comments are useless, from the point of view of common sense.
  2. ivsida Offline ivsida
    ivsida (Iv Sid) 9 November 2022 18: 52
    +17
    When will the evacuation from Crimea begin?
    1. Mobius Offline Mobius
      Mobius 9 November 2022 19: 21
      +21
      Quote from ivsida
      When will the evacuation from Crimea begin?

      The Crimean War of the XlX century exposed the backwardness royal Russia, "SVO" - Putin's .
      1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
        Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 10 November 2022 00: 51
        -3
        Because of you, Russia suffered colossal losses, both financial and human, completely spitting on its own interests, instead of thanks, didn’t you get tired of throwing mud at Russia and its leader?
      2. Yarik83 Offline Yarik83
        Yarik83 (J. Yarmosh 8-bit Music) 10 November 2022 08: 04
        -4
        And then the audience doesn’t realize that you’re working off money here, causing confusion. But I can see you very clearly. I see who you are and whose.
      3. tagil Offline tagil
        tagil (Sergei) 10 November 2022 10: 28
        -1

        Each person involved thinks that someone else will answer to the tribunal, but then, wiping the snot, it begins to roll. As a result, it ends its existence in a ditch in a European garbage dump or .......
    2. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
      syndicalist (Dimon) 9 November 2022 19: 51
      +3
      Now very soon. By the New Year, Crimea will be completely cut off from Russian supplies. Well, by the spring we should expect a repetition of the Kherson scenario
      1. Mobius Offline Mobius
        Mobius 9 November 2022 20: 10
        +7
        Quote: syndicalist
        Now very soon. By the New Year, Crimea will be completely cut off from Russian supplies. Well, by the spring we should expect a repetition of the Kherson scenario

        I put a "+" comment, because I don't see anything fantastic in it (against the background of what is happening) ...
    3. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
      ja.net.1975 9 November 2022 20: 14
      +1
      after the Belgorod region, it’s not easy to talk about the transfer of the capital ....
      1. Mobius Offline Mobius
        Mobius 9 November 2022 20: 54
        +4
        Quote from ja.net.1975
        after the Belgorod region, it’s not easy to talk about the transfer of the capital ....

        But once upon a time, His Serene Highness Prince Potemkin-Tauride proposed to Catherine II the Great - to transfer the capital of the empire from St. Petersburg to Kherson ...
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    4. Little Muck_2 Offline Little Muck_2
      Little Muck_2 (Little Muck) 9 November 2022 22: 26
      0
      When will the evacuation from the Kremlin begin, this is a more important question! Then our leader will appear like Gorbachev in Germany, there will be a turn.
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    5. Firuz Offline Firuz
      Firuz (Firuz) 9 November 2022 22: 53
      0
      Soon. And a little later from Moscow to more advantageous positions.
    6. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 10 November 2022 16: 49
      0
      ivsida (Iv Sid). So you can easily smash Ukraine, as the Germans were smashed before. To drag them to Moscow, if it will be impossible to escape, then the troops with a counter strike, as near Stalingrad, will begin to press them into pincers from there and from there and everyone will fall into the cauldron. Then the Ukrainian army will be forced to open a passage for Russian troops in the direction of the Urals. Then there will be victory. Ukrainian troops have no idea where, what, to whom, and they will not be able to catch anyone. China will accept everyone who comes. After all, for them the number of Russians is the same as the area. Here the Ukrainian army will slow down with such force that the heels will fly off the shoes. In three hundred years, as in the time of the Mongols, Russia will rise up and give so if they give ...
  3. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 9 November 2022 18: 52
    +16
    Putin complied with Zelensky's order: by November 16, liberate Kherson from the Russian army. Who after that will believe the country whose army can only drape, handing over the little that they managed to free. You can also add, if you withdraw the army beyond the Urals, it will be even safer ...
    1. Mobius Offline Mobius
      Mobius 9 November 2022 19: 24
      +13
      Quote: kriten
      Putin complied with Zelensky's order: by November 16, liberate Kherson from the Russian army. Who after that will believe the country whose army can only drape, handing over the little that they managed to free.

      But the Chinese directly stated, at the level of the official Foreign Ministry, that they would conduct business with us solely based on the results of the operation in Ukraine ...

      I imagine how they will talk to us ...
    2. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
      syndicalist (Dimon) 9 November 2022 19: 53
      -2
      Yes, it will be safer. But it will no longer be Russian, but Chinese army
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  4. moran Offline moran
    moran (Andrei) 9 November 2022 18: 54
    +7
    bargained?
  5. Igor Listov Offline Igor Listov
    Igor Listov (Igor Listov) 9 November 2022 18: 55
    +17
    Can anyone explain what's going on? What the hell was all this CBO started up? To shamefully flee, leaving already their territories? What an abracadabra.
    1. moran Offline moran
      moran (Andrei) 9 November 2022 23: 26
      +2
      You have not forgotten how to be surprised .... I envy. The arguments voiced on the box did not convince me at all. and then a seditious thought came - if the mattress oligarchs make money in the war, then how do they differ from Russian ones? and in this connection, the longer the golden rain lasts, the better. if Russian soldiers beat off all attacks well, then logically, in order to continue the game, it is necessary to limit weapons and personnel, and eventually make another redeployment. maybe that’s why they didn’t bomb the bridges, didn’t carry out the obviously necessary mobilization in the required sizes, and so on.
  6. Arthur Rostislavov (Arthur) 9 November 2022 18: 57
    +13
    Well, then why was it all started, and why did our soldiers die, if we still can’t hold anything
    1. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
      syndicalist (Dimon) 9 November 2022 19: 55
      0
      For the sake of this, it was started. After all, it is necessary to share income from the pipe with the excess population.
    2. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
      ja.net.1975 9 November 2022 20: 19
      0
      approaching the golden billion ....
    3. tagil Offline tagil
      tagil (Sergei) 10 November 2022 15: 49
      -1

      Cipso News: Throw-ins and comments from the daughters of cipso officers are planned. The tone and mood of which you can read on the screenshots.
  7. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 9 November 2022 19: 00
    +20
    The main task at the moment is to save the lives of soldiers

    Then why was the mobilization? We would sit at home by the stove.
    And why did the State Duma determine the territory of Russia along the border of the Kherson region?
    Why was a referendum held? Did you think that they would not attack or it would not be necessary to defend?
    If you do not defend Russia, then why do we need an army?
    This is 100% betrayal.
    Why sacrifice the lives of soldiers and civilians in Donetsk - give it immediately to Ukraine.
    What a garbage deal.
    The first call was when the Nazis-fascists, the killers, were changed to Medvedchuk.
    Well, now the picture is formed.
    1. Mobius Offline Mobius
      Mobius 9 November 2022 20: 01
      +16
      Quote from Hiker
      The first call was when the Nazis-fascists, the killers, were changed to Medvedchuk.

      "The first bell"was back in 2014, when Putin recognized the coup in Kyiv as legitimate power.
    2. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
      ja.net.1975 9 November 2022 20: 22
      +5
      it was formed back in 14, but it never reached the majority, they continue to admire and glorify ...
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  8. Paul3390 Offline Paul3390
    Paul3390 (Paul) 9 November 2022 19: 10
    +25
    Well, the war seems to have been pissed off. And from the authority of the guarantor - only soles will remain. The next question is - what does he intend to do inside the country? For it has a lot of new questions, in addition to the old ones. And there are already a critical number of them. To answer the same - it seems like no one is even going to. This means that all the very curious will be cornyly crushed .. Dictatorship is on the way ..
    1. Mobius Offline Mobius
      Mobius 9 November 2022 19: 55
      +8
      Quote from Paul3390
      Well, the war seems to have been pissed off

      It's scary ... It's scary because we are not talking about some abstract "Putin's army", but about the Russian Army, our army, the spirit of which is only enough to seize something "with a swoop", and more rather fly away, along a familiar route.

      And from the authority of the guarantor - only soles will remain. The next question is - what does he intend to do inside the country? For it has a lot of new questions, in addition to the old ones.

      What about him request , to him, like water off a duck's back.
      Teflon
  9. Moscow Offline Moscow
    Moscow 9 November 2022 19: 12
    +6
    When the government does not have willpower and realism, it begins to saw the branch on which it sits and does it cynically.
  10. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Leopold) 9 November 2022 19: 14
    -18
    Why panic? So far, we are talking about the right-bank part of the city, and it is clear that it is too difficult to maintain such a foothold in terms of supply
    1. Paul3390 Offline Paul3390
      Paul3390 (Paul) 9 November 2022 19: 26
      +11
      This means a simple thing - you can forget about Odessa and Nikolai FOREVER. Forcing the Dnieper back - will not work for anything. Everything. Finished .. What will happen next - I'm afraid to imagine.
      1. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
        ja.net.1975 9 November 2022 20: 27
        -1
        I have to learn language..
    2. Hiker Offline Hiker
      Hiker (Dmitriy) 9 November 2022 19: 27
      +14
      Is this the territory of Russia? Yes or no?
      And there, in addition to Kherson, there are hundreds of square kilometers of territory.
      And any officer will tell you that rivers in the theater of operations are very, very common and this is a completely solvable task for any modern army. For supply - not hard. It's written for suckers.
      This is a very bad and vile contract.
      Yes, and look through the story with pictures, Colonel)
      1. Mobius Offline Mobius
        Mobius 9 November 2022 19: 47
        +8
        Quote from Hiker
        And any officer will tell you that rivers in the theater of operations are very, very common and this is a completely solvable task for any modern army. For supply - not hard. It's written for suckers.

        I agree with you.
        Just talked on the phone with one friend on this topic. He pressed on lack of bridges I parried lack of brains at the command of the NWO ...
    3. Paul3390 Offline Paul3390
      Paul3390 (Paul) 9 November 2022 19: 38
      +8
      it is too difficult to maintain such a bridgehead in terms of supply

      Well, yes. For example, Stalingrad - it was very difficult to hold. Much harder than Kherson now. AND?? After all, how did the Bolsheviks cope?
      1. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
        ja.net.1975 9 November 2022 20: 32
        +1
        the Bolsheviks were burning with ideas about the general welfare of the offended, humiliated and insulted, therefore the work was argued everywhere and in everything .....!
      2. Mobius Offline Mobius
        Mobius 9 November 2022 20: 37
        +10
        Quote from Paul3390
        Stalingrad - it was very difficult to hold. Much harder than Kherson now. AND??

        So Kherson did not even try to keep.
        Were you afraid of flooding in the event of a dam being blown up by banderlogs?

        What has been done to prevent it?

        But two or three "with arrow shots" by "Caliber" along the cascade of locks upstream of the Dnieper from Kyiv were enough, and the dill would understand everything ...

        No ... It's better to hand over Kherson ...
    4. Watching Offline Watching
      Watching (Alex) 9 November 2022 19: 48
      +4
      It's not about panic. No one panics, but bitterness can be expressed: from unfulfilled hopes and stupid bragging of the authorities at the beginning of this shameful war. It may be time for Russians to prepare for what the "Ukrainian Nazi junta" and the hated West will make of the country in the near future. And that would be worse than "panic".
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  11. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 9 November 2022 19: 14
    +3
    1 percent out of 99 wants to believe that this is a cunning plan, and not a freak circus.
    1. Patron Offline Patron
      Patron 9 November 2022 19: 33
      +14
      Unfortunately, this is a circus, and the guarantor completely disgraced Russia with his agreements.
    2. Azvozdam Offline Azvozdam
      Azvozdam (Azvozdam) 9 November 2022 20: 26
      0
      When the brain refuses to understand, you come up with all sorts of nonsense. This is a defensive reaction of the brain. Especially after Izyum and Kupyansk, etc., it's time to stop believing in something tricky. , and will not return back, the demographic issue in the Far East and Transbaikalia was partially decided by Putin. But there is also a huge minus - the Donbass will not give up! The miners are with a Soviet character! ... Zelensky and Putin seem to have one supplier.
  12. Norma51 Offline Norma51
    Norma51 (Nick) 9 November 2022 19: 27
    +13
    Apparently, soon, in the name of "saving the lives of soldiers and caring for civilians," they will have to leave Crimea and Donbass.
    1. Paul3390 Offline Paul3390
      Paul3390 (Paul) 9 November 2022 19: 39
      +4
      Now I wouldn’t leave Moscow .. I won’t be surprised at anything ..
  13. Moscow Offline Moscow
    Moscow 9 November 2022 19: 36
    +8
    Does the country violate the constitution?

    2.1. The Russian Federation ensures the protection of its sovereignty and territorial integrity. Actions (with the exception of delimitation, demarcation, re-demarcation of the state border of the Russian Federation with neighboring states) aimed at alienating part of the territory of the Russian Federation, as well as calls for such actions, are not allowed.
  14. Alexander Valerievich 9 November 2022 19: 37
    +21
    More and more I am convinced that all our power is for sale. As they traded with enemies, so they trade. As fattened 5% and fattening. They say the people did not mobilize, but only hard workers need a victory? Or not? A very strange war, don't you think? Places of cargo delivery are not destroyed, the Bank is standing, foreign legionnaires who want to participate for free are not taken, loans with mortgages were hanging before mobilization, so after the service they will need to be returned, as they were looking for a reason for dialogue with the enemy ...
    Interestingly, does Sberbank work in Crimea?
    I wonder why we waited 8 years and did not act? Every time I ask this question: Why were they silent for 8 years? During this time, immunity to all the lies that are being poured into our ears should have been formed.
    It seems that they agreed without asking us.
    1. Watching Offline Watching
      Watching (Alex) 9 November 2022 20: 06
      -6
      Maybe it's time for a change? If you know that the enemy cannot be defeated, then you can become his ally, right? Is there an alternative? Without friends, without allies, without a strong economy...?
  15. ksa Offline ksa
    ksa 9 November 2022 20: 01
    +10
    That is, on February 24, we launched a strange military operation with the main task of "saving the lives of our soldiers"? Maybe then it was not worth it to start all this?
  16. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 9 November 2022 20: 03
    +3
    This is what is generally going on in the Kremlin and the General Staff ....
  17. tagil Offline tagil
    tagil (Sergei) 9 November 2022 20: 05
    -23
    That you are all different here. Sofa warriors, pick up snot. Or do some of you doubt that these "Nazis" will not blow up the dam at the hydroelectric power station? Then what are you going to howl here when the losses of our soldiers number in the tens of thousands? That again the General Staff, Shoigu, Surovikin himself, the commander-in-chief himself did not foresee, did not see, did not make a decision, etc. Are you couch strategists, do you know the situation on the spot better than Surovikin? In general, it is not you who are responsible for all decisions, and it is not for you to yelp from cozy and warm closets and indicate how to fight.
    1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
      Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 9 November 2022 20: 29
      -19
      You can’t explain this to sofa “Xperds”, give them everything at once, bread and circuses, but the fact that the Ukronats will destroy the hydroelectric power station without hesitation and how it could end does not occur to them
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        1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
          Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 10 November 2022 00: 22
          -5
          Thanks to Putin, war has come to our house, to Russia, cheers, patriots.

          What does Putin have to do with it? He probably rode on the Maidan, handed out cookies, and then gave machine guns to Nazi groups and sent them to assimilate and kill Russians in the South-East?
          1. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
            aslanxnumx (Aslan) 10 November 2022 08: 31
            +3
            And why did he sit and watch how they rode on the Maidan, they killed Russians.
      2. Alex Smirnov Offline Alex Smirnov
        Alex Smirnov 9 November 2022 23: 12
        +1
        Quote: Stanislav Bykov
        You can’t explain this to sofa “Xperds”, give them everything at once, bread and circuses, but the fact that the Ukronats will destroy the hydroelectric power station without hesitation and how it could end does not occur to them

        Ukronatsiks without hesitation and poisonous substances can use a dirty bomb. So let's run away from there or what? Is there such a threat? And then what? They can use all these forbidden weapons in the Moscow region. From there, too, will we evacuate "in the name of preservation"? And why don't we hit the arms supply routes and the criminal Nazi regime? What's stopping you from doing this for 8 months?
      3. Igor Listov Offline Igor Listov
        Igor Listov (Igor Listov) 9 November 2022 23: 27
        +1
        No one will destroy anything, calm down. Have you really not understood anything yet - the hype about the hydroelectric power station was raised specifically to cover its withdrawal of troops, because. no matter how you slice it, you won't be able to stay there. And if they started talking about "ukronatsiks" and that they would "blow up the hydroelectric power station", then yes, of course, we must retreat. And what a conclusion suggests itself - right, there was nothing to climb anywhere!
      4. Barkova Offline Barkova
        Barkova (Irina) 10 November 2022 19: 51
        +2
        Doesn't it seem strange to you that the Ukronazis destroy everything without hesitation, while ours all hesitate? There is a plan and a strategy. And our trample and look around, as if waiting for permission. Are all negotiations awaiting? Dreaming of getting back? Only one thing is not taken into account - no one will negotiate with the retreating, they will be finished off. And if the negotiations, then humiliating. It is not enough for our leadership that the country has been humiliated for several years now, thanks to their lack of will and spinelessness!? There is no excuse for them! And the question is why then they announced mobilization, if they were not going to fight !?
    2. ja.net.1975 Offline ja.net.1975
      ja.net.1975 9 November 2022 20: 43
      +9
      smart guy, explain then why they started all this, if they were not even able to assess their military capabilities, what they were counting on ....
      1. Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
        Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 9 November 2022 23: 33
        -7
        Fool, who told you that there is no military possibility? Even the crests themselves said that in Kherson there are 50 thousand Russian groups, do you think it should have sat and waited for them to be washed away in the Dnieper? Everything that the dill took from us will be returned back, so don't be hysterical
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    3. Mobius Offline Mobius
      Mobius 9 November 2022 21: 24
      +8
      Quote: Tagil
      Or do some of you doubt that these "Nazis" will not blow up the dam at the hydroelectric power station?

      SpokE stop , comrade...
      Upstream of the Dnieper, above Kyiv, there is the largest reservoir, which is even called the "Kiev Sea" with a dam and a system of locks...
      Can you guess what threatens Kyiv with a dam break , or at least locks ?

      But none of the staff geniuses, who so devoutly care about the lives of our soldiers, even thought to "hint" to Kyiv about our possible actions in the event of a dam blowing up ...

      And why the Nazis , are you in quotation marks?
      Denial of the presence of Nazism in Ukraine?
    4. Paul3390 Offline Paul3390
      Paul3390 (Paul) 9 November 2022 21: 32
      +9
      Do you seriously think that by constantly retreating and surrendering land without a fight, we will kind of save lives, right? What then next? Crimea, Voronezh, Moscow? Maybe then it was not worth it all to start? If there is no desire to fight?
  18. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 9 November 2022 20: 07
    +17
    A shame!! Complete discrediting of the authorities and the top of the military ..
  19. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 9 November 2022 20: 55
    +4
    I can imagine what will happen if the returned mobilized soldiers do after this shame with the authorities
  20. voznesensky Offline voznesensky
    voznesensky (Oleg Petrovich) 9 November 2022 20: 57
    +14
    I don’t understand, I will never understand and I won’t accept! I always knew that a war, especially a liberation war, as we officially and quite rightly call it, has only one goal. And that goal is victory. "We will not stand up for the price!" - these are not just words from everyone's favorite movie. This is the essence of our perception of the Motherland, for which you are ready to give your life. So, at least, our state called the USSR / Russia brought up its citizens of my generation (and I am already 86 years old). This has been done since ancient times, this is how the monk warrior Peresvet went to certain death in the battle on the Kulikovo field, this is how our soldiers heroically defended the burning Smolensk, then dying in the Battle of Borodino in 1812, this is how our soldiers directed burning planes at the enemy in the Great Patriotic War 1941-1945 gg...
    But now I find out that our main goal in the war, it turns out, is to save the lives of soldiers. And how many of them will then be put in order to return the abandoned lines and Kherson on the right bank of the Dnieper, we shamefully keep silent? Stop hypocrisy, arguing that the main thing is to save the lives of soldiers, stop slyly calling the retreat a "manoeuvre", stop calling this war a special operation! Either we will win this officially undeclared war, in which the inevitable losses of both soldiers and civilians are predetermined, or we will capitulate at the cost of possibly saving our lives. There are no other options, Supreme Commander! And remember: the people perfectly feel the lie. And rarely forgives her ...
    1. tagil Offline tagil
      tagil (Sergei) 9 November 2022 21: 05
      -9
      Everything is lost??? When to give up??? Where will you watch the surrender of Russia?
  21. rotkiv04 Online rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 9 November 2022 21: 06
    +12
    in all this there is the main culprit, he is known to everyone, and for him there is one definition - a traitor
  22. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 9 November 2022 21: 09
    +10
    Quote: Tagil
    Or do some of you doubt that these "Nazis" will not blow up the dam at the hydroelectric power station? Then what are you going to howl here when the losses of our soldiers number in the tens of thousands? That again the General Staff, Shoigu, Surovikin himself, the commander-in-chief himself did not foresee, did not notice, did not make a decision, etc.

    And what prevents the Armed Forces of Ukraine from blowing up the dam after the occupation of Kherson? The city is empty, there is no population. They will blow up and make it impossible to return Kherson at all. And most importantly, they will again deprive them of the opportunity to deliver water to the Crimea, since the water level will fall below the level of the canal to the Crimea.
    These are traitors. They left the territory of Russia, removed the flags.
    And the Armed Forces of Ukraine will get the opportunity to bomb the Crimea, the scythe, land communication with the Crimea.
  23. svit55 Offline svit55
    svit55 (Sergey Valentinovich) 9 November 2022 21: 10
    +11
    They neighed at the clown Ze, over "the strongest army in Europe", and on verification it turned out that Ze was smarter and more far-sighted than GDP. That the chiefs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are more competent than our strategists. Neighing. Two options are being drawn: - the military-political leadership does not represent the real state of affairs in the NVO and the country at all. - an agreement-betrayal with the Nazis.
  24. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 9 November 2022 21: 12
    -1
    This is a very dark matter. 404 still does not believe this. The same Podolyak said 10 days ago that it was a trap and they would not climb there. He still doesn't believe.
    https://t.me/stranaua/74322
    https://t.me/stranaua/74327
    The head of the administration of Snegirevka says that there are no Ukrainian troops there.
    https://t.me/stranaua/74329
    And yesterday they broke so...
    According to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, we have 35-50 thousand troops there. Even without equipment, it is simply impossible to withdraw these troops. As soon as the Armed Forces of Ukraine see that ours are really retreating, they will drive in bulk (so that it would be inconvenient for our aviation and artillery to work) armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles, tanks, cannon artillery, MLRS. And they will cover 2 unfortunate bridges and 1 - 2 pontoon ones, if they have time to build them. Instead of saving the lives of 20-35 thousand soldiers, they will die there. Not to mention technology.
    I do not believe in the withdrawal of troops from the right bank. This is possible only in the case of a clear agreement with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And you can't trust them. But if there is an agreement, then they will not hold on to the ground and start shooting. And it will be out of control.
    The order to withdraw troops was brought to us. What was brought to the troops is a big question.
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 10 November 2022 02: 07
      -5
      In general, on common sense and in the light of new information.
      I think that Kherson will be handed over entirely or most of it, temporarily. But the foothold on the right bank is likely to be preserved.
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  26. Demeter Offline Demeter
    Demeter 9 November 2022 21: 25
    +17
    It is assumed that the army exists to protect its people and the territory of its state. And our generals have opened a new page in military affairs: it turns out that the army exists in order to save the lives of its soldiers ... And the generals, apparently, exist in order to maintain their place in the army. The army leaves the territory without a fight, leaves the people who trusted us without protection ... And was it worth it then to accept new territories as part of Russia? Was it worth starting this war at all then? The withdrawal of troops, you see, will make it possible to concentrate on the most important areas... But what if the enemy does not transfer the liberated troops there? Now it is the turn of the Azov region (Melitopol, Berdyansk and Mariupol). Shoigu had 8 years to prepare for war and 8 months to conduct combat operations. So, is everything going according to plan? I do not understand how after that you can remain the Minister of Defense.
    1. Ognyan Petrov Offline Ognyan Petrov
      Ognyan Petrov (Ognyan) 9 November 2022 21: 32
      +2
      Not the generals are to blame, see above
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      1. Demeter Offline Demeter
        Demeter 9 November 2022 22: 01
        +3
        Well, of course. How the Ukrainian "liberators" shoot pro-Russian activists in the "liberated" territories and even teachers, this will also not be shown on TV.
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    4. Barkova Offline Barkova
      Barkova (Irina) 10 November 2022 20: 36
      0
      Offensive is the best way to concentrate on the most important areas! But if this is an agreement, then finish this performance and do not lie to your people!
  27. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 9 November 2022 21: 25
    -5
    Unfortunately, we do not know the reason, but it is clear that the reason is good and that these are factors not voiced by Surovikin.

    There are two ways to complete the NWO - military and political, socio-economic.

    A purely military one is not suitable, losses are too high (and the global crisis is just beginning and the wars will still be serious). The military path will not bring reconciliation with the EU (and the US).

    Another way is to achieve goals through negotiations (with the West). For the Kyiv regime, the end of hostilities means the end, all attention will be on the situation in the country where Zelensky led them. Without the support of the West, the regime is not viable. Yes, and support too. Kherson will not help here.

    The elimination of the Kyiv regime is the main goal. The rest will come by itself (to the Russian Federation or in another way). By my own will. It cannot be said that the majority of residents in Odessa, for example, yearn for liberation by Russia. Especially strength. Occupation is a very dangerous path when the regime is not broken.

    But without the Kyiv regime, it is still possible to compete for the brains of Ukrainians.

    In addition, we do not know the scenario of events, everything may not be as it seems. In the overall picture, Russia has a strong position, the West has actually lost, it remains to formalize this defeat. We will see how this will be done soon, perhaps Kherson is part of this scenario.
    1. Igor Listov Offline Igor Listov
      Igor Listov (Igor Listov) 9 November 2022 23: 43
      -2
      Your judgments are chess. I'm afraid that apart from Kasparov, no one here knows how to play them.
  28. DO Offline DO
    DO (Dmitriy) 9 November 2022 21: 42
    +1
    Author, quote 1 from your text:

    Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu gave the order Russian units to retreat to the left bank of the Dnieper.

    Quote 2 from your own text

    Shoigu agreed to withdraw units. Surovikin reported that this maneuver would be carried out in the near future.

    So who gave the order to surrender the right bank of the Dnieper? Surovikin? Shoigu?
    Let's watch the video. Surovikin expressed his private opinion to leave the right bank of the Dnieper. Shoigu privately agreed. And where is the order?
    Since the surrender of the right bank of the Dnieper to the enemy is primarily a POLITICAL decision, it should be taken only by the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. And with the announcement of it to the whole world on TV. In the meantime, there is no such public order, none of the military leaders, in fact, has the right to surrender a foothold on the right bank of the Dnieper.
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  31. Lukina Offline Lukina
    Lukina (Inna) 9 November 2022 21: 57
    -11
    Shoigu, Surovikin - bravo! This is the only correct and technically verified solution. The withdrawal of troops and equipment in order to avoid losses, the evacuation of the civilian population - you are great fellows. Your hands are now completely untied. Extinguish the khokhloshval with FABs, smash the waterworks, fry with Caliber and Zircons, and perhaps something more interesting. Survivors - finish off! Take action. Russia is behind you.
  32. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 9 November 2022 21: 58
    0
    I saw Surovikin instead of Shoigu Zhukov and shot himself .....
    Shoigu saw Stalin instead of Putin and also shot himself .....
    Putin looked in the mirror - Stalin was sitting at the table.
    Good tea, Putin thought. There are no traitors left.
  33. Berton Offline Berton
    Berton (Vladimir) 9 November 2022 22: 04
    -16
    The only smart decision is to leave Kherson.
    For patriots with tiny brains, the right bank of the Dnieper was not needed at all initially.
    This is a planning error. In fact, this area is an isolated enclave, even without the threat of flooding.
    This means that defending it in conditions of "almost" parity of forces is not only pointless, but also stupid.
    How stupid it was to plan an exit to the tactical expanse of the left bank. But this, as they say, did not calculate the forces, intelligence failed, or something was wrong with the planners.
    The abandonment of Kherson now only proves that Surovikin is a smart general.
    1. Hiker Offline Hiker
      Hiker (Dmitriy) 9 November 2022 22: 30
      +13
      That is, the decision of the State Duma and the Referendum within the borders of the Kherson region is a planning mistake?
      And some time ago, all military correspondents wrote that the steppe and the lack of greenery is a chance for an offensive, aviation, the enemy has nowhere to hide ... don't you remember? And no one wrote about the threat of flooding for HALF A YEAR. Maybe they were waiting for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to gain strength, bring more technicians, weapons, until mercenaries from all over the world arrive? Is not it?
      For some reason, all multi-movements end in flight and surrender of positions, explosions of flagships, gas pipelines, a bridge, shelling of Russian cities .....
      Maybe Russia should leave Kaliningrad? Also an enclave. Around the enemy. Just to save civilians and soldiers.
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  34. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 9 November 2022 22: 39
    +8
    It all started in 1991 when the enemies seized power in the Soviet Union and killed the USSR. Of this four, which organized the murder of the USSR, only Nazarbayev survived. All the chicks of that era are in power and the main thing for them is to save themselves and the loot forever. Therefore, the bulk of the people are looking for the reasons for the defeat of the Russian people not there. Talk about the surrender of Kherson appeared even in July, only the authorities chewed snot for a long time and thought how to do it so that the people would not raise it on a pitchfork. Why were 300 thousand mobilized??? Why is no one sent to the front out of 5 million security officials??? In the Russian Federation, there are 1,5 million security guards in private security companies. If you send half of the security forces and half of the private security company to the front, then there will be an army of 4 million military personnel at the front. It turns out that the people need a victory, the authorities and the capitalists need a war.
  35. rotkiv04 Online rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 9 November 2022 22: 47
    +12
    the flight from near Kyiv was called a "gesture of goodwill", the flight from the Kharkov region was called a "regrouping", but the surrender of Kherson was called "saving the lives of our servicemen", saving lives is right, but the question arises, what will the next betrayal be called
  36. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 9 November 2022 23: 12
    +13
    On the right bank, where Kherson is located, there is a grouping of the RF Armed Forces of 50 thousand. Comrades, the military, I have a question for you. How many servicemen will die during the retreat (flight), while crossing the Dnieper turns to the right bank ??? How many will be injured? When retreating, the RF Armed Forces will bomb, shoot with artillery. Weapons, tanks, vehicles, fuel, etc., all this will be left to Kyiv. How can you save the lives of soldiers during the flight, there will be panic. This is the highest cynicism of power.
  37. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich 9 November 2022 23: 56
    +4
    How they love to negotiate. It is interesting that they will be able to negotiate with their people later. After all, we will not go to vote for the Medvedevs.
  38. Kofesan Offline Kofesan
    Kofesan (Valery) 10 November 2022 00: 12
    +9
    Sergei Shoigu gave the order

    Putin gave the order. And Shoigu made it public. And Putin ... hid sideways aside from the negative, and vice versa, he is always right there, if there is an opportunity to lean on the positive, even to the one he had nothing to do with ...

    As for the surrender of Kherson without a fight ... this could have been assumed ... even when he was a scum. - Taira was released - "exchanged". There is little wisdom to draw a conclusion about the possible existence of oceans by a drop of water ... sad Including oceans of rotten dirt...
  39. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 10 November 2022 01: 03
    +1
    What's going on, President/Supreme Commander-in-Chief/Guarantor of the Constitution?
  40. tkot973 Offline tkot973
    tkot973 (Konstantin) 10 November 2022 01: 40
    0
    If Surovikin does not receive orders from above on how to act, but acts independently (which I certainly doubt), then his decisions do not raise questions for me. As far as I've been told, this man always gets things done, minus the overhead.
  41. Alexander Zolotukhin (Aleksandr Zolotukhin) 10 November 2022 03: 24
    0
    Quote: Möbius
    But there is also a "counter-example" - Pavlovka near Ugledar, which was abandoned by Russian troops in April, and is now being stormed again, suffering high losses.

    Do you know the loss data? Bring the numbers...
  42. Avedi Offline Avedi
    Avedi (Ankh) 10 November 2022 05: 48
    +1
    Vooot ... survived ... Kutuzov correctly said "in order to save Russia, you need to burn Moscow"
  43. Alex_90 Offline Alex_90
    Alex_90 (Alexander) 10 November 2022 06: 29
    -2
    Not so long ago, some military commander wrote that when our troops were standing near Kyiv, there was a real opportunity to take it. yes, with great sacrifices of civilians and soldiers, but still it was. And I think that then it would be different. But, as voiced in the Foreign Ministry, now the realities are different.
    Kherson is the key to the Crimea. Then there will be a real destruction of the bridge by crests and an attack on the Crimea.
    I'm already hoping that this will all end in a deal. Yes, there will be peace for several months, a year .. but not only crests will prepare for war, but we too. And the economy and the military-industrial complex and the mobile resource are more powerful.
    In addition, perhaps the rhetoric about supporting Ukraine in the West will change.
    1. rotkiv04 Online rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 10 November 2022 09: 51
      +7
      Quote: Alex_90
      Not so long ago, some military commander wrote that when our troops were standing near Kyiv, there was a real opportunity to take it. yes, with great sacrifices of civilians and soldiers, but still it was. And I think that then it would be different. But, as voiced in the Foreign Ministry, now the realities are different.
      Kherson is the key to the Crimea. Then there will be a real destruction of the bridge by crests and an attack on the Crimea.
      I'm already hoping that this will all end in a deal. Yes, there will be peace for several months, a year .. but not only crests will prepare for war, but we too. And the economy and the military-industrial complex and the mobile resource are more powerful.
      In addition, perhaps the rhetoric about supporting Ukraine in the West will change.

      there is no doubt that the Ukronazis will prepare and recapture territories, but there is doubt that the Kremlin will prepare, and not hang noodles about rearmament and other PR, in which the Kremlin strategist is a great specialist.
    2. Barkova Offline Barkova
      Barkova (Irina) 10 November 2022 20: 52
      +2
      Nobody prevented our leaders from preparing in advance for war. Already from 2014 they could prepare well. Moreover, there were huge incomes from the sale of gas. Who interfered? Or intelligence did not work? And the rhetoric in the West will never change for us! And if there are also losers, they will finish them off! We will not be given time to prepare and equip ourselves, as ours do all the time!
  44. Peace Peace. Offline Peace Peace.
    Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 10 November 2022 08: 08
    +5
    It turns out oddly - they leave the territory of the country, that is, Russia. And what is it called in world history or whatever? The only consolation that can be is a cog of some kind of strategic plan, about which it is temporarily impossible to disclose the blog. Maybe a full-scale use of tactical nuclear weapons? NATKI is frightened by the introduction of peacekeepers, that is, war in this case. I think we need to stock up on our tops with tremendous willpower and a decisive, absolutely reckless spirit, and give battle to the stagnant Anglo-Saxony. Otherwise, I don't think so. Either they us or we them. But there is a third option - to live humiliated in slavery, ashamed to be called your nation and presenting it as a humane method. I think so.
  45. sergeu2 Offline sergeu2
    sergeu2 (sergeu) 10 November 2022 08: 47
    +6
    Useless generals and the same PUTIN. This general is a coward and a rag.
  46. Eduard Aplombov Offline Eduard Aplombov
    Eduard Aplombov (Eduard Aplombov) 10 November 2022 09: 02
    -6
    it’s even scary to imagine whether the Internet during the Great Patriotic
    Stalin would have been crucified a million times, him, his generals
    so many worthy, patriotic, and in fact new Vlasovites have bred with the possibility of imaginary righteous anger to crucify the current regime and its vertical for not being able to fight or steer
    a confident opinion is created that behind sarcasm and patriotic anger lies a slightly different goal for truth-tellers on the network, to sow panic, discord and confusion among the townsfolk
    in times of defeat and difficulties, Russians always unite, this is what makes them strong
    and the local provocateurs under the guise of the righteous are trying to destroy it (voluntarily or not) by dripping over the brains of the reporter's unbalanced, angry inhabitants
  47. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 10 November 2022 09: 03
    +6
    The disgrace continues... But doesn't the Russian leadership want to take on the ukroreich in an adult way? Eight (!) months of the so-called. its own and even Donbass (territory of Russia!) is not liberated ...
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  49. NatiKoshka_87 Offline NatiKoshka_87
    NatiKoshka_87 (Ela) 10 November 2022 09: 21
    +2
    And it would seem that with the Armageddon General, Russia will rush forward ... but ... it will all end badly!
  50. vova100 Offline vova100
    vova100 (Vladimir) 10 November 2022 10: 11
    +3
    people, but tell me, Kherson is on the right bank of the river and this place is higher than the left bank. That is, after the dam breaks (God forbid), Kherson will be dry and water will rush to the left bank? Or did I not find something on the Internet?
  51. Kotov Online Kotov
    Kotov (Andrey Kotov) 10 November 2022 11: 36
    -4
    Is there a collection of hysterics here? Sit here smearing snot. Oh, they betrayed us, oh, they surrendered the Russian city. So go ahead and defend. Kherson is a city. As they leave it, they take it.
    1. Hiker Offline Hiker
      Hiker (Dmitriy) 10 November 2022 14: 24
      +6
      Six months ago, everyone and from all channels said that the Kherson steppes are simply unique for the offensive, aviation, and army deployment. And only traitors can leave Kherson, since the surrender of Kherson is control over the land corridor and Crimea. Today, Biden ratified the transfer of missiles with a range of 300 km to Ukraine. Artemovsk has been stormed for several months now and there is no Dnieper there.... And here is the Dnieper. And is this all a smart move? This is the same as the transfer of fascists and murderers to Medvedchuk.
      Stremousov wanted to defend to the last with the defense. And where is he?
  52. Opozdavshiy Offline Opozdavshiy
    Opozdavshiy (Sergei) 10 November 2022 14: 36
    -4
    Colleagues, I am a purely civilian person. But I am a pro in my particular business - high-frequency energy.
    And as a pro, I perfectly understand that there are always real situations in which it is necessary to make decisions, the meaning of which, the purpose of which, is greater and more important than my specific professional goals.
    About the reasons (and they are most likely complex) that required the adoption of just such a decision on Kherson, I can only guess, because I am an amateur in these matters.
    But for amateurs, before yelling that "everyone screwed up," it is advisable to use their brains so as not to become complete shit.
    Specifically, for example, it should be expected that only such a solution excludes the destruction of the dams of the Dnieper cascade by Kyiv idiots and NATO scoundrels who cover them in order to stop the advance of Russian troops. And the real long-term civilizational consequences of such destruction far exceed the consequences of the use of a strategic nuclear charge on the territory of present-day Ukraine. Which, let me remind you, was simply stolen from Russia and will inevitably return to Russia.
    The departure of Russian troops from Kherson makes absolutely senseless the destruction of the dams of the Dnieper cascade, simply because the left bank is higher than the right bank of all European rivers. It will flood only Ukrainian positions.
    It's clear?
    And what to do? Leave the right bank of the Dnieper and the Black Sea coast to the Anglo-Saxons, who have been sharpening their teeth on it for hundreds of years? I think that the necessary and adequate solution will certainly be found. That's why we have the General Staff. And the team of the Supreme Commander, who, let me remind you, have already pulled the country out of a completely hopeless and utter nightmare.
    The main thing is not to spoil your country.
    1. Hiker Offline Hiker
      Hiker (Dmitriy) 10 November 2022 14: 57
      +5
      Not pulled out, but plunged into an even greater nightmare.
      Donetsk has been shelled and shelled. And what was the CBO for - do not remember?
  53. Vladimir Khrebtov (Vladimir Khrebtov) 10 November 2022 15: 57
    +2
    We will use nuclear weapons when there is a threat to statehood

    Now what? Not a threat? Or a threat when he arrives in Moscow. A hundred years ago there was a shameful Brest peace. Is history repeating itself?
  54. Vox_Populi Offline Vox_Populi
    Vox_Populi (vox populi) 10 November 2022 21: 16
    +1
    It's interesting how the "guardian" trolls get out of an awkward position! winked