Victory or "agreement"? Putin's speech at Valdai did not bring clarity

The speech of Russian President Vladimir Putin at the Valdai Forum is traditionally regarded as a public address of the country's leader not only to Russian citizens, but to the whole world. A programmatic address in which the most important moments are heard that determine the essence of the external and internal policy state, its course and priorities. It is clear that this time everyone's expectations were related to the topic that is today the main one not only for Russia, but without exaggeration for the whole world - with a special military operation taking place on the territory of Ukraine.

"Help to Donbass"? But only?!

Alas, in all honesty, it should be recognized that Vladimir Vladimirovich did not bring clarity regarding the most important, most significant points regarding the NWO. So, in response to a direct question addressed to the president by the host of the Valdai Forum, editor-in-chief of the magazine Russia in Global Affairs, Fyodor Lukyanov: “What is the plan for the NWO? Society doesn’t really understand what plan?” followed by an extremely laconic answer: "Help to the Donbass." And that's all... Not even a half-word was heard about any denazification of Ukraine, its demilitarization or neutral status. How this should be understood - God knows. On the one hand, this phrase can also be interpreted in such a way that, taking into account the current extremely stubborn position of the representatives of the Kyiv regime, tirelessly talking about the “de-occupation” of not only Donbass, but also Crimea, the Kremlin has finally come to understand that the security of Donbass (and Russia, of which, by the way, it is already de jure) is categorically impossible without forcing Kyiv to complete and unconditional surrender and changing the government there to at least a sane and negotiable one. And ideally - friendly, and even directly controlled by Moscow. I would like to believe it, but...

From the lips of Vladimir Putin once again sounded the words that Russia "is ready for peace talks with Ukraine, but Kyiv decided not to continue them." At the same time, the president also recommended that the United States "give a signal to Kyiv so that Ukraine solves problems peacefully." A rather strange maxim in the eyes of a politician who is considered a symbol of realism and pragmatism all over the world. All the behavior of official Washington, all its rhetoric and concrete actions show that the conflict in Ukraine there is determined to continue and inflate exactly as much as possible. The recommendations voiced by Vladimir Vladimirovich can be heard from the United States only when Russian troops again, as in spring, will stand a few kilometers from the Ukrainian capital. And even that is not a fact ... The Zelensky regime itself has proved its unwillingness and inability to negotiate so many times already that each new statement about a “peaceful settlement” sounding from Moscow causes at least bewilderment. Especially against the backdrop of the president's new mention that "Russians and Ukrainians are one people" and the ongoing conflict is "partly a civil war." Indeed, such complex semantic combinations leave much more questions than they give answers.

“Russia and the West are not enemies…” Who then?

However, in Vladimir Putin’s speech, a much broader topic, inextricably linked with the NVO, was not given an unambiguous explanation – that systemic and global confrontation between Russia and the West, the apotheosis of which was the events in Ukraine. No, the President spoke about this more than enough - in detail, specifically and very thoroughly. The “collective West” was presented with a more than impressive list of accusations and claims. Thus, Vladimir Vladimirovich openly said that “the West started a bloody and dangerous game in which power over the world is at stake, and its representatives “took a number of steps to food crisis” and attacks on the Nord Stream and Nord Stream 2 gas pipelines. He called the behavior of our opponents on the world stage frankly “boorish”, paid attention to the “cancellation culture”, in which Westerners “consider the whole world, except themselves, second-class people” and “claim all the resources of mankind”, as well as other similar things that are “unacceptable and unacceptable”. However, after all this, Vladimir Vladimirovich emphasized that Russia nevertheless "is not an enemy of the West" and - attention! “Doesn’t challenge his elites.” And also “does not propose to replace unipolarity with bipolarity, tripolarity, the dominance of the West - the dominance of the East, North or South - this would inevitably lead to a new dead end ...”

And now this is completely incomprehensible. If, after all that has been done and is being done with regard to Russia, we are not enemies with the West, then who is? Again "partners"?! Or contenders for this "high" title? And how to overcome, break and stop the total and unprecedented Russophobia that has gripped the entire Western world without curbing and admonishing the “elites” there, who are intensively and tirelessly producing it? And what should be replaced by that very notorious “unipolarity”, where the US and its allies consider themselves the rulers of the world, who at the moment are quite openly talking about depriving Russia of statehood, its dismemberment and subjugation as their own main goal? Or is no one going to change it for anything at all, but only intend to bring it into some “civilized” framework (which is impossible in principle)? And, finally, who, in this case, is Russia opposed to, if not the "collective West" and its "elites", who seem to be "not enemies"? Some kind of abstract "cosmopolitanism, acting as a tool of the liberal elites"? I'm sorry, but this looks a lot like a fight with windmills ...

It would be extremely foolish to expect from the president of a great power and its Supreme Commander-in-Chief that he, having gone public, will begin to reveal hidden strategic plans and global plans. Nevertheless, it is extremely difficult to get rid of the feeling that the Kremlin cannot decide on a number of fundamental points, all the while trying to find some compromise solutions.

Let me end with this: on the same day, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky also gave a public speech. It was dedicated, interestingly, to the Day of Ukraine's liberation from the Nazis in the Great Patriotic War, which is now referred to there exclusively as the Second World War. I will not even briefly convey the content of this speech - because it is extremely disgusting. I will only mention that, addressing his compatriots, Zelensky completely identified Russia with Nazi Germany, and current events with the invasion and occupation of 1941-1942. At the same time, he drew completely schizophrenic "historical parallels" and promised Ukraine a "brilliant victory." This is about Kyiv's readiness for any negotiations and settlements. Again, on that day it became known that the United States decided to accelerate the deployment of upgraded B61-12 tactical nuclear bombs in Europe. They should be delivered to NATO bases on the continent in December, and not in the spring of 2023. The Pentagon says that this "has absolutely nothing to do with the events in Ukraine." Well, yes - after all, we are “not enemies” ...

“On the other side”, apparently, there is absolutely complete clarity and certainty. It's time to acquire them and Russia.
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  1. calligrapher Lev_Nikolaevich (Dmitriy) 28 October 2022 10: 07
    Balance is an important quality in a duel. In judo, many successful actions are achieved precisely by unbalancing the opponent. Rapid actions like throws are short-lived and not announced.
    And give the public a plan carved in stone. It is understandable - human nature does not tolerate uncertainty. Only a fighter can accept it, and be psychologically prepared for any scenario, acting according to the situation.
    1. Vladimir Orlov Offline Vladimir Orlov
      Vladimir Orlov (Vladimir) 28 October 2022 14: 55
      Yes, balance, tactics, "explosive" throw and finishing on the ground (pain, choke ...) - the key to victory in judo. Explosive - means unexpected + as sharp and assertive as possible.
      This is exactly how GDP works - completely according to the psychology of judo (it’s just that it’s not always obvious to the audience at the edge of the tatami ..)
      1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
        goncharov.62 (Andrei) 28 October 2022 19: 58
        Don't you think that we are already on the ground?
        1. zenion Offline zenion
          zenion (zinovy) 29 October 2022 16: 12
          goncharov.62. While the country lies in the stalls, the rear is dismantled for spare parts and scrap metal. Those who are in the stalls are trampled underfoot. There are no fat ones to be seen.
    2. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 28 October 2022 21: 20
      "Speechwriters" write speeches to presidents, that's what they write, that's what the president will say .. What has been said, the president is clearly in doubt and not determined to win, and this is the worst thing, knowing the opponent's statements. This means that the positions of the Russian Federation are not very firm and the problems are growing, and the pressure to win is weak ... Realizing that the West has started a dangerous game, so gather all your strength and do not exchange ... The weak point, the definition of the West, needs to be crushed and the main instigators identified, - The USA and England, to call them by their proper names ... Yes, they don’t win with such statements, they are preparing to hang a white flag, but how else - billions in the West are lost to many in power and resource sellers .....
  2. prior Offline prior
    prior (Vlad) 28 October 2022 10: 09
    Fog - mist spreads over the world

    The fog is a fog in his speeches....
    Where are you even taking us, "Moses" are you our Russian?
    1. Corsair Offline Corsair
      Corsair (DNR) 28 October 2022 14: 27
      Quote: prior
      Fog - a mist spreads over the world.

      Conditional "Donetsk boys", they would say - "Muddy Passenger..." yes
    2. Alexander Tutunenko (Alexander Tutunenko) 29 October 2022 00: 35
      We are already one step away from paradise. The logical outcome of Putin's game of giveaway...
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  3. calligrapher Lev_Nikolaevich (Dmitriy) 28 October 2022 10: 29
    I will allow myself one more maxim about the non-declaration of a total war on Ukraine and the West behind it - a rat, driven into a corner, becomes doubly dangerous.
    The declaration of total war until complete destruction mobilizes the enemy also totally - by 100%.
    And we need one victory, not complete chaos and destruction.
    A burning desire to certainly kill the enemy - a consequence
    fear and uncertainty in the forces to defeat him to the end. And uncertainty about the moral right to win.
    It's like a punks in the alley - wets the fallen feet to death, and then suddenly he will get up now and begin to answer. Scary...
  4. vladivan Offline vladivan
    vladivan (Vladimir) 28 October 2022 10: 30
    I don't listen to what the GDP says! The fact that the texts of the Presidential Administration write to him shows what level of understanding they have about our state and with the fraudulent West. It seems that they are saving their own and other businessmen's assets in the EU. The Presidential Administration uses Russia for friendship with the West to sell strategic raw materials to Russia simply for the currency of Europe. The same thing happened with state-owned civilian domestic producers, bringing them to almost complete destruction, launching leasing Western aircraft on the market, so that the Russian would see and fly on civilized aircraft, and not on ours in Soviet aircraft. With what hatred does our state capitalists rush to the NK-93 engine? A European private major manufacturer was allowed into Russia to destroy state-owned manufacturers and turn them into private production, and to replace our parts with the same, but imported European details, so that there would be dependence. This is how the Presidential Administration understands Russia, which reads GDP to us. It seems to me that the Presidential Administration has no idea at all what kind of foundation Russia had for centuries, and what kind of frame Russia had
    1. Corsair Offline Corsair
      Corsair (DNR) 28 October 2022 14: 32
      Quote from vladivan
      The fact that the texts of the Presidential Administration write to him shows what level of understanding they have about our state and the fraudulent West.

      And the quotation by the president of the dear heart (and other organs, including the liver)
      enemy of Russia, Solzhenitsyn ???
      Как и than explain this? Again - "the machinations of bad boyars"?
      1. zenion Offline zenion
        zenion (zinovy) 29 October 2022 16: 19
        So they want to show that the president uses other people's heads, like the president of the United States. Which can be lost in two stands. It was interesting to look at him. Now he will come up to one podium, then to another, and this is after he pushed the speech. Finally, he stood facing the wall and realized that there was no way out, that he had to give up. That's when they unhooked him from the wall and took him to the right place.
        1. Offline
 5 November 2022 19: 00
          is this a hint, a theorem or an axiom ...?
  5. Igor Viktorovich Berdin 28 October 2022 11: 29
    Because there are many factors. Therefore, there is no clarity. Questions about what will happen to the EU, the USA. China, India, Iran, weather, in the end, gas and oil ......... Everything has its price. Free all of Ukraine, and then feed it? But do we need it ??? We need to release the one who wants it and from which there will be more pluses for Russia than minuses. Well, the USSR "liberated" Czechoslovakia and Hungary in due time. So what? What did it give us? In addition to the loss of resources ....
    1. Corsair Offline Corsair
      Corsair (DNR) 28 October 2022 14: 34
      Quote: Igor Viktorovich Berdin
      Because there are many factors. Therefore, there is no clarity.

      You, if you got involved in a war, then be so kind as to act without regard to factors.
      1. Igor Viktorovich Berdin 28 October 2022 14: 39
        It is foolish not to take into account the factors ... Her head is never superfluous .... Why break into a closed door when you can get around, wait, use a key, not a crowbar, in general, think.
  6. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 28 October 2022 11: 33
    One gets the impression that they can not overcome the fear of their own courage. They started the NWO and immediately began to desperately call on the West, they say, boys, can we agree? We, like, showed our brutality, inside everyone is delighted, let's tie up with a massacre. It turns out, as in the gateway, at first, like, hold me seven, and preferably together, but as soon as the mahach began, then immediately,

    guys, well, let's live together
    1. calligrapher Lev_Nikolaevich (Dmitriy) 28 October 2022 11: 43
      no need to measure the whole world by gateways.
      1. Corsair Offline Corsair
        Corsair (DNR) 28 October 2022 14: 37
        Quote: calligrapher Lev_Nikolaevich
        no need to measure the whole world by gateways.

        And what is "the whole world" if not a gateway with its own rules and gloomy nooks and crannies?
  7. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 28 October 2022 12: 01
    From the lips of Vladimir Putin once again sounded the words that Russia is "ready for peace negotiations with Ukraine

    Russia and the West are not enemies...

    And then who?
    I don't listen to Putin. I can't hear words about anything. Lots of text but no meaning. But then I will definitely look through and read his main thoughts. Just his speech, this is my confirmation that a person has neither education nor conscience. Guess what I meant. Here is the point of his speech.
    Here in the West they always say in plain text what they want. Maybe that's why the West, if not friends, then always has allies. And from Putin, for 20 years, there was no clarity. Again, education is a problem. As "already spinning in a frying pan." And society at 80% demands to close this project called Ukraine. But Putin is dreaming of negotiations. It's me that Putin, like, defends the interests of the state.
    Article plus. Competent analysis.
    1. Corsair Offline Corsair
      Corsair (DNR) 28 October 2022 14: 40
      Quote: steel maker
      "Help to Donbass"? But only?!

      Well yes yes Not a word about plans for de-occupation, demilitarization and denazification ...
    2. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 28 October 2022 15: 03
      The main thing here is not what he said, but how others perceived it.
    3. lekancev.a Offline lekancev.a
      lekancev.a (anatol lekancev) 28 October 2022 21: 21
      Is there such a steelmaker at TNT, Svetlakov, not your relative?
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  9. stranger Offline stranger
    stranger (stranger) 28 October 2022 14: 37
    I never cease to amaze and upset the country's engulfed Approvals. We already went through it back then, in the USSR, and it seems that this dope cannot be eliminated. Is it laid down at the genetic level? I do not believe. Everything that VVP says suddenly acquires great significance, as if a truth that we did not know was revealed to us, and then an incredible wave of upliftment rises in the country, noise and din, He brings us new revelations, new knowledge and new understanding .. Oh my God, and then a hangover will come and it turns out that no GDP is a philosopher, from the word at all. The ability to think dialectically in the historical and philosophical terms is definitely not given to him. But I approve. Especially state TV and Solovyov, he directly splashes right and left, how great and far-sighted the Supreme Commander-in-Chief is. And if you look with an open mind, then after all, all those problems, all those failures and failures are wholly and completely man-made precisely by the GDP. and no one else. After all, in Russia, as it happened, the supreme power is sacred and everything that happened, and comes precisely from how and what it, this power desires, on what and on whom it relies. It is worth looking around with an open mind and it turns out that the authorities themselves do not really know what to do, decisions are always made not forward, but in fact, already in pursuit and very carefully, no matter how something happens. And yet it still comes out and just like that, and not otherwise. And again without a clear understanding, without working out two or three steps forward. situational response. So it turns out, as in the famous phrase One step forward, two steps back. The behavior of the authorities is similar to pushing and pulling .... As one commentator correctly noted and I completely agree with him, that the authorities were frightened of everything that they started and have not been happy about it for a long time. A new process has its own internal logic, and if we carefully analyze everything that is happening now, then it could not be otherwise. It is precisely the incompetence of the authorities, and the indecisiveness that results from this, that show us precisely such results. Well, everything is possible to "justify" when the switch of the information space is in your hands. Hence the increased calls to poke the mouths of critics. Such a danger is already growing more and more ... Everyone stigmatizes Stalin with this, but the growing wave of approval is no different from that one .... But then there was a goal - to build a great country for the working people and defend it. And built and defended. Now what is the goal? What we are building, for whom and for whom we must now defend it. Power will never give a direct answer to this question, because then it will be put on a pitchfork. This fog is from here ... Well, I approve. Without him, there is no way.
    1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
      goncharov.62 (Andrei) 28 October 2022 19: 55
      What sect are you from? Yes, about Solovyov in vain. Your untruth ... Well, as always ... Dialectics in your delights can not be found at all. But where can I...
    2. Kazimir Prutikoff (Kazimir Prutikoff) 2 November 2022 18: 24
      We react to everything situationally. This is our weakness. There is a lack of foresight and adequate military planning. In order to start building reliable defensive lines, it was first necessary to completely merge the Kharkov region. Hard to learn, easy to fight! - it's not about us.
    3. Offline 5 November 2022 19: 04
      how sharp and precise
  10. Yarik83 Offline Yarik83
    Yarik83 (J. Yarmosh 8-bit Music) 28 October 2022 16: 26
    Dear author! Alexander! The war will be until Russia cleans out the fifth column in power. Next will be the Caribbean Crisis 2.0 and then the restoration of our Fatherland within the boundaries of the 45th year following the results of the Great Patriotic War. There is no goal to destroy Ukraine. Since both Russia and Ukraine are the Soviet Union.
    1. Corsair Offline Corsair
      Corsair (DNR) 28 October 2022 16: 53
      Quote: Yarik83
      restoration of our Fatherland within the boundaries of the 45th year following the results of the Great Patriotic War

      I would not want to be in the same state with the Tribaltus ...
      1. Nikolay Volkov Offline Nikolay Volkov
        Nikolay Volkov (Nikolai Volkov) 28 October 2022 20: 03
        The Balts are no worse than the current Kyivans or many of the Dnipropetrovsk Cossacks ... The Baltics are a strategically important region. and the population there is small so as not to be able to keep them normal ... the restoration of the normal rights of the Russians of Riga, Tallinn and Narva will make these regions sane
    2. prior Offline prior
      prior (Vlad) 28 October 2022 18: 44
      If there is a fifth column in Russia, I can guess who leads it ......
      1. Grei grin Offline Grei grin
        Grei grin (Gray Grin) 28 October 2022 19: 44
        and why is everyone guessing everything and it’s so clear where the threads lead!
    3. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
      goncharov.62 (Andrei) 28 October 2022 19: 52
      Do you need Central Asia and sprats too? Well, if under the wise gaze of the Russian Governor-General ...
      1. Nikolay Volkov Offline Nikolay Volkov
        Nikolay Volkov (Nikolai Volkov) 28 October 2022 20: 00
        there was nothing useful in Central Asia under the leadership of governors-general ... wild illiteracy and poverty ... as a result of an uprising during LABOR mobilization during WWI ... if Putin's "guards" are governors-general, then nothing at all is better do not touch or attach
    4. Little Muck_2 Offline Little Muck_2
      Little Muck_2 (Little Muck) 29 October 2022 08: 34
      So power itself is the Fifth Column!
  11. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
    aslanxnumx (Aslan) 28 October 2022 16: 42
    The storyteller told fairy tales to adults, thinking that it was the children who were listening.
  12. SP-Ang Offline SP-Ang
    SP-Ang (Sergei) 28 October 2022 18: 31
    “On the other side”, apparently, there is absolutely complete clarity and certainty. It's time to acquire them and Russia.

    We have one question in the words of Vysotsky - "Where is the money, Zin ....?"
  13. RFR Offline RFR
    RFR (RFR) 28 October 2022 19: 11
    Everything is as always ... Again, "our partners" and other crap ... I never believed him ...
  14. vlad127490 Offline vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) 28 October 2022 19: 19
    Putin and all his "elite" constantly sends messages to NATO, we want to live, as before, in the golden billion and rob the Russian people. Ukraine for the oligarchs is a consumable. Now there is a war of capitalists for the possession of Ukraine. Ukraine is estimated at about 65-80 trillion dollars. Who will own these trillions of dollars? Therefore, there are and will be "agreements", "gestures of good will", "regroupings". Do not forget that the entire "elite" of the Russian Federation was supplied by NATO. Nobody wants to fight for the welfare of the oligarchs. Everywhere one deceit.
    1. Offline 5 November 2022 19: 09
      this is understandable, but what in this situation should a soldier do ... ????
  15. Grei grin Offline Grei grin
    Grei grin (Gray Grin) 28 October 2022 19: 42
    Muddy he is muddy! But what is clear from his speech is that this government did not, does not and will not strive for anything except for personal well-being and enrichment, and that the main priority for them is friendship with the West (which supplies weapons to the Ukronazis, who are killed by our military and peaceful population), by the way, this is also evident from the constant failures during the hostilities in Ukraine!
  16. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
    goncharov.62 (Andrei) 28 October 2022 19: 50
    Supreme at a crossroads? No, dear, something else ... Let's look at our fish soup and then the number of noodles from their mouths is honest - non-polite and free so-called. "press" and we will look and draw our own conclusions. But G-d forbid drains on any plausible pretexts - then, Mother Russia, get ready ...
  17. Nikolay Volkov Offline Nikolay Volkov
    Nikolay Volkov (Nikolai Volkov) 28 October 2022 19: 58
    a lot of words about nothing ... in principle, a repetition of the past without recipes for the future ... they will try to surrender to the last for the sake of negotiations. they don't know anything else
  18. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 28 October 2022 20: 45
    “Agreement”, if Ukraine agrees to recognize the loss of territories, will mean the recognition of the regime existing in Ukraine and the actual defeat of the Russian Federation.
  19. usm5 Offline usm5
    usm5 (George) 28 October 2022 21: 42
    I imagine what's in Putin's head, after countless insults and humiliations against him from this "progressive Western community." But if he said everything he thinks about them, then we would certainly have significantly reduced the number of allied and neutral partners. Everything is correct. It is necessary to talk about peace and negotiations, while at the same time not forgetting to strike hard blows to the "sworn partners" in the jaw. So far we have some problems with this. But I think that in Russia they will soon understand that the love of partners can be won only when their bones begin to crack from our embrace.
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  21. Yyrp Offline Yyrp
    Yyrp (Valentine) 29 October 2022 01: 40
    When John Kerry was US Secretary of State (from 2013 to 2017), I watched an interview with one journalist with him. So, during this interview, the journalist asked John Kerry why we (the United States), when we had the opportunity to break up Russia into several independent states, did not do this. John Kerry answered this journalist like this - you know, we had certain difficulties with the USSR, now we have with China, much more problems than with the USSR, and it’s one thing when China is on its own, and it’s completely different if China is with Siberia.

    Russia did not collapse, not thanks to Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, but in spite of him. That is, the United States will not initiate the collapse of Russia until the destruction of China.

    Last year, a senior US State Department official said that if we don't stop China now, then in five years, we won't be able to stop it even with the use of nuclear weapons.
  22. Vadim Sharygin Offline Vadim Sharygin
    Vadim Sharygin (Citizen) 29 October 2022 02: 16
    It would be much more weighty and useful for the country to hear from the President a clear procedure for Russia's actions in the event of continued shelling of Russian territories and sabotage, in the event of any attempt to introduce NATO troops into Ukraine, in the event that Ukraine uses a dirty nuclear bomb or blows up the dam of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station. It is important for the Russian people to believe that the partial and subsequent mobilizations are not patching holes, but the preparation and conduct of a major military operation to liberate at least five Ukrainian major cities and prevent further NATO supplies. The ambivalence and inconsistency of our foreign policy is leading to irritation and indignation of ever larger sections of the people, to unjustified losses at the front and emergency decisions in the rear. Involuntarily, you will remember Stolypin, Zhukov, as an example of decisiveness and intelligibility of actions, and Gorbachev, Trotsky, Nicholas II, as an example of the inconsistency of the actions of the situation of the moment and their blurring in relation to the national interests of Russia.
  23. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 29 October 2022 04: 52
    Another blah blah blah, and some statements are bewildering, if not dumbfounded at all. President/Supreme blown away??...
  24. Yuri Bryanskiy Offline Yuri Bryanskiy
    Yuri Bryanskiy (Yuri Bryansky) 29 October 2022 06: 44
    The main problem of GDP is indecision. Balancing leads to constant concessions to the oligarchs. So in 2014 the Russian world was abandoned. Now we are suffering.
  25. Rinat Offline Rinat
    Rinat (Rinat) 29 October 2022 08: 56
    Victory or "agreement"? Putin's speech at Valdai did not bring clarity

    What other degree of clarity did the author want? There is actually a war going on. Therefore, there will be no complete clarity until the end of the NWO. After all, legally we do not yet have "War". Judging by the totality of facts, military, economic, monetary, international, etc. plans should deal not so much with Ukraine as with the West as a whole. Degrease its military, financial capabilities through the collapse of its national economy, and the collapse of its monetary space. All this takes time.
  26. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 29 October 2022 09: 04
    Unfortunately, a deal can easily happen. In the Kremlin, confusion from the failures of the GUS and tension in the economy from the loss of income. The inability of the GDP to take drastic measures and its listening to those who want a return to the dictates of the West (and there are many of them in the Kremlin, the government, and almost all big business) can easily end with this. Remember the treacherous Minsk agreements, when he went on a deliberate deception of Russia by the West, which was covered only by demagogy about a brilliant strategy that turned into shame and unpunished murders of citizens of the republics.
  27. Antor Offline Antor
    Antor 29 October 2022 11: 27
    The retinue plays the king, and there has never been and never will be a balance. In Russia, there is no unity among the elites on many issues, except for personal and unbridled enrichment. Take any faction in our thought ..... and who is poor or beggar there, and even individual moneybags from among our service officials and not only became famous for their black ingratitude to their homeland, betraying it with giblets for green! !!
    Being determines consciousness, and if we have not had a clear ideology for more than 30 years, we have practically not been engaged in true patriotic education of our population, especially young people, if only 4 hours are allotted for the Great Patriotic War in our textbooks at school ...... then is it any wonder how many people of military age rushed out of the country. Yesterday I read that there are more than 300 thousand in Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan .... I don’t believe it, but I can’t refute it, because I see that there are many of them and they don’t want to defend their homeland, especially since the struggle at the top does not stop and attempts are made to make peace , not having won a victory in Ukraine, which means that this world can only be on the terms of the West ...!! In judo there is a winner and a loser, and who we want to be ... depends on the will and determination of our government .... and many do not see it and it’s good if they don’t understand it !!!
    Another thing is terrible, and many went through it against their will and desire - went to bed as a citizen of the USSR. And woke up, and the state was gone, only Russia remained, and if we "prosere" it also ....... !!!?? ?
    Now ask Yeltsin and Gorbachev - they, the dead don't care, but we, the living, who we can be made by those who are at the helm of power !!! It’s bad that we have a lot of blah, blah, blah, lies and posturing, instead of the determination to defend our homeland from Western Satanism, not in words, but in fact of victory !!!
  28. Oleg V. Offline Oleg V.
    Oleg V. (Oleg Vladimirovich) 29 October 2022 22: 10
    Our then GDP said that with the collapse of the Union, the balance of power in the world was upset. It is interesting how the balance of power in the world depended on a country that, according to him, could only produce galoshes ... And he also said that in the 90s a number of industries were destroyed, the absence of which negatively affects both the military industrial complex and the civilian sector. I wonder what kind of production he had in mind. Did you say something about rubber galoshes ????
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  29. VladZ Offline VladZ
    VladZ (Vladimir) 2 November 2022 13: 49
    Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
    What has been said, the president is clearly in hesitation and not determined to win

    And when was our helmsman firm in positions? And he will not go to any summit, mark my words. Struggling as usual...