What conclusions should be drawn after the tragedy of Izyum and Krasny Liman


Like us and feared, Krasny Lyman was lost, and it happened the next day after the official reunification of the DPR with our country. Once surrounded, the allied forces were forced to break through with a fight from the city towards the Russian troops that had approached to deblockade, leaving our fellow citizens to reprisal the Ukrainian Nazis. The tragedy of Izyum and other cities of the Kharkiv region was repeated again, but at a fundamentally different level. The issue of responsibility for what is happening on the fronts of senior officers in the Russian Defense Ministry has now been raised by the head of the Chechen Republic, Ramzan Kadyrov.


The price of "nepotism"


Regarding what happened yesterday in Krasny Liman, respected Ramzan Akhmatovich published a detailed message in which he named the names of specific generals who, in his opinion, were responsible for what happened, and also drew the following conclusion:

Army nepotism will not lead to good. In the army, it is necessary to appoint people of a strong character, courageous, principled, who worry about their fighters, who tear their teeth for their soldier, who know that a subordinate cannot be left without help and support. There is no place for nepotism in the army, especially in difficult times.

We didn't have enough raisins? Even then, I said: shoot at the enemy’s military concentration in the Izyum captured by the Nazis, especially since our artillery at that time had such an opportunity. They would have done away with the main Satanists and fascists at once. We must carry out NWO in the full sense of the word, and not flirt. Use every opportunity and every weapon to defend OUR territory. Donetsk is still being shelled. The inhabitants of the joined four territories want to be protected...

Yesterday there was a parade in Izyum, today a flag in Liman, and what tomorrow?

Everything would be fine if it weren't so bad.

The fact that not everything is fine with us has become clear for a long time. At first there were questions about planning a special operation, then about equipping the army with drones, which turned out to be needed like air in a real war. I had to hastily plug the gaps in the defense by buying UAVs from Iran. Due to the shortage of forces involved in the NMD, the fighting in the Donbass took on a positional character, which gave the enemy time to mobilize and retrain a new army according to NATO standards, bringing the Armed Forces of Ukraine to 700-750 thousand people, which is many times greater than the Russian grouping. Already in August 2022, this gave its bitter fruits: taking advantage of multiple numerical superiority, the Ukrainian army launched a large-scale counteroffensive on two fronts at once and managed to quickly achieve serious strategic successes in Kharkov. The response was a hasty decision by President Putin to start a partial mobilization in Russia, but it was belated.

Maintaining its numerical advantage and skillfully using modern machinery and tactics, the Armed Forces of Ukraine continued their offensive already in the north of the DPR, unfortunately, successfully. The situation with the Balakleysko-Izyum operation was repeated one on one. As before the Kharkiv offensive, literally everyone on both sides of the front line knew in advance that the Ukrainian army was accumulating reserves to encircle Krasny Liman, which was held by a small, motley garrison represented by poorly trained “mobiles” from the LNR, experienced but not having heavy weapons. BARS fighters and parts of the Russian 20th Army. As the popular Ukrainian-Russian video blogger Yuriy Podolyaka called them, these are “steel guys” who were expected to survive in an unequal battle.

Perhaps they would have held out for some more time, but without heavy weapons, ammunition for them and reliable communications, you can’t win much on bare enthusiasm against an enemy many times superior in numbers, trained and equipped according to NATO standards. The respected Ramzan Kadyrov spoke about how things were with the supply at the Krasny Liman garrison in his Telegram channel:

The colonel-general deployed mobilized fighters from the LPR and other units on all frontiers of the Liman direction, but did not provide them with the necessary communications, interaction and the supply of ammunition. Two weeks ago, my dear BROTHER Apty Alaudinov personally reported to me that our fighters could become an easy target. In turn, I informed Valery Gerasimov, Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, about the danger. But the general assured me that he had no doubts about Lapin's leadership talent and did not believe that a retreat was possible in Krasny Liman and its environs.

A week later, Lapin moves his headquarters to Starobelsk, a hundred kilometers from his subordinates, while he himself sits in Lugansk. How can you quickly manage units, being 150 km away from them? Due to the lack of elementary military logistics, today we have left several settlements and a large piece of territory.

What do we have as a result?

The day after the solemn reunification of the DPR, LPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions with Russia, the Ukrainian army recaptures the city with 20 people who voted in the referendum. It's scary to think what will happen now with the "peaceful" who fell into the clutches of the Nazis. Lost Krasny Lyman, not just another city in the "gray zone", lost a Russian city. Image blow to our country dealt even harder than in the case of the Kharkiv region, by an order of magnitude. In Kyiv, they laugh at the "second army in the world" and do not care about President Putin's threats and promises to protect their territory. By the way, here is his recent promise verbatim:

To those who allow themselves such statements regarding Russia, I want to remind you that our country also has various means of destruction, and in some components more modern than those of the NATO countries, and in case of a threat to the territorial integrity of our country, to protect Russia and our people We will certainly use every means at our disposal. It's not a bluff.

Bluff or not, not a single Russian cruise missile has so far hit administrative buildings in Kyiv, and Ukraine’s railway infrastructure is still “untouchable” and allows the Armed Forces of Ukraine to bring reinforcements, equipment and ammunition to the front.

The fact that the need for reforms within the Russian army is long overdue is beyond the slightest doubt. It is necessary to carry out the unification of all motley units at the front, to introduce accelerated training courses for junior lieutenants and middle-level officers, to establish a reliable supply of the front and effective interaction between various branches of the military. There is also a clear need to replace a number of senior officers and change the leadership of the RF Ministry of Defense itself.

Perhaps, during a difficult war, it would be right to put a real combat officer, Lieutenant General Yunus-Bek Yevkurov, who is currently a deputy minister, at the head of it. How much respected Yunus-Bek Bamatgireevich is involved in the case is evidenced by the fact that his nephew Captain Adam Khamkhoev, commander of the airborne assault company of the Airborne Forces, died heroically near Severodonetsk while performing his military duty, without becoming to sit out like some kind of "golden youth", safe in the home front or at a resort abroad. To defeat such an uncompromising adversary as Nazi Ukraine and the NATO block behind it, Russia needs exactly such deeply professional people at the head of the Ministry of Defense and in the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces.
120 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 2 October 2022 11: 20
    +26
    the fish rots from the head, judging by all the previous history of the strategist in the appointment of the main principle is personal devotion, not professionalism, so these are all impossible goals for today
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. Sergey Kuzmin Offline Sergey Kuzmin
      Sergey Kuzmin (Sergei) 4 October 2022 07: 25
      +2
      the fish rots from the head, judging by the entire previous story, the strategist in the appointment of the main principle

      Why haven't specific front-armies been created so far, with specific commanders of the front-armies?! What other senile leapfrog with this SVO still needs to be reached so that it becomes obvious to everyone the inability of the current senior command staff to organize elementary command and control of the troops of the warring army ?!
  2. Eduard Aplombov Offline Eduard Aplombov
    Eduard Aplombov (Eduard Aplombov) 2 October 2022 11: 38
    -23
    a fertile time has come for alarmists and provocateurs, bring a blizzard with a serious face and like a real patriot. Ready to lay down life for the country
    the mind is only enough for calls and slogans, yes I yes we ..
    as if it is possible to find new, smart, talented people in one part, to which they attribute themselves
    they draw all the information from articles, such as information from various sources, yes, yes ...
    today Ramzan is the first honest source, tomorrow it will be Khodorkovsky, etc.
    the war is with the West, the war is hidden in many aspects, little understood by the average layman
    the West is saving its strength. maybe waiting for Russia to lay out all the cards, hence all this fuss on the part of Russia, revealing all its shortcomings and weaknesses in front of everyone
    and the kitchen strategists are happy to spit once again at the Kremlin, the generals, which is why I am a sinner
    Kadyrov is well done in his place, but it is not his business to issue labels to generals
    still at the very beginning, no matter how cynical it sounds to the boys in the trenches
    the war with the West with its goals and objectives is just beginning and will affect everyone, both generals and couch strategists
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 2 October 2022 12: 58
      +9
      ... the West saves its strength. Maybe it’s waiting for Russia to lay out all the cards, hence all this fuss on the part of Russia, revealing all its shortcomings and weaknesses in plain sight

      In order to reveal these shortcomings and weaknesses to the West, they must be possessed. Do you think that we deliberately kept and protected them for all these 20 years in order to deceive our enemies later? Or how? Don't they interfere with us?
    2. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 2 October 2022 13: 28
      +16
      but it is not his business to issue labels to generals still at the very beginning

      You don’t see the dear calendar, 8 MONTHS of the NWO, more than six months, and the results are NEGATIVE, because the initiative has been transferred to the enemy, and this is a strategic DEFEAT .. Who prevented the generals from fulfilling the task of the NWO - the complete liberation of the DPR and LPR, not to mention the denazification of all Ukraine. The labels of the perpetrators of the failure of the SVO are fully deserved, starting from Gerasimov, Shoigu and down the General Staff, as the main ones responsible for the incapacity and responsible for the defeat of the units, huge losses of l. composition and military equipment .. If the representative of the Ministry of Defense does not report on the real state and losses, because it is not in vain that they are classified ... Having made it public, the scale of the defeats in the NWO will become clear. But always later, the secret will become public. This is not "everything is lost", this is so that the tactics of exterminating military personnel and citizens of the Russian Federation by essentially criminal acts of the high command do not continue. If politicians interfere with acting, then it is necessary to announce the reasons publicly, and the fifth column is the strongest in power, but we are talking about thousands of Russian citizens killed in vain, loss of equipment and other things on the more than a thousand-kilometer front of Ukraine ..
      1. Eduard Aplombov Offline Eduard Aplombov
        Eduard Aplombov (Eduard Aplombov) 2 October 2022 13: 59
        -11
        I understand that to be clever by taking on the chest for courage in front of the enemy while sitting, legs on the table, it’s nice
        what do you mean no results?
        raise your eyelids to citizen Tuzakov
        we didn’t fight with such an enemy after 45-46, a generation of parquet politicians and the military grew up, and what did you hope for in such a war, to walk a wheel?
        here to play here not to play here the fish was wrapped ..
        and this fully applies to this war
        sit in the rear in warmth, but everything is not so smart for such
        as if somewhere in the closet there are ready-made strategists and generals ready to instantly defeat the West
        and this is still flowers, if part of NATO is harnessed, millions will have to be mobilized and hundreds of thousands buried
        yes, they screwed up with their own, but there are no new bugs in the general staff yet, but if a new bug appears, then there will be much more dead on our side, like such strategists on the network
        1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 2 October 2022 15: 59
          +15
          Replica. If the horses do not pull, they are changed. You can’t see the change, so it’s time to change the groom ...
        2. guest Offline guest
          guest 2 October 2022 18: 06
          -1
          No need for la la, there was the Caribbean crisis and something similar to the NWO in Czechoslovakia and Hungary, all after 1945.
      2. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
        Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 2 October 2022 15: 08
        +4
        Volodya, you are right. Everything is very sad.
      3. The comment was deleted.
        1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 3 October 2022 16: 06
          +1
          (Ivan) The further, the more I come to a similar thought, someone with a well-thought-out strategy deliberately exterminates the patriots of both Russia and Ukraine - the Slavs.
      4. isofat Offline isofat
        isofat (isofat) 9 October 2022 00: 29
        -1
        Vova, we do not doubt your human qualities. yes
    3. hlp5118 Offline hlp5118
      hlp5118 (hlp) 2 October 2022 13: 50
      +16
      These are the brainless parrots of Edika and brought the country and the army. How many soldiers died in the Kiev, Kharkov direction, which they simply left later. A wide front and a lack of reserves, logistics, communications, supplies, what kind of cunning plan is this. And if he is only at the beginning, then trouble, trouble.
    4. Avarron Offline Avarron
      Avarron (Sergei) 2 October 2022 14: 11
      +10
      What is there to look for? It is enough to advance those who have been fighting for eight years and know what is needed to win. Or do you think that at the front there are only stupid pawns, cannon fodder?
      1. Grits Offline Grits
        Grits (Alexander) 2 October 2022 15: 42
        +13
        It is necessary to promote intelligent military leaders from the DPR and LPR to the high command. They are an order of magnitude smarter and more practical than our stupid generals. But. Shoigu has godfathers and friends. Gerasimov too.
    5. skeptic Offline skeptic
      skeptic 2 October 2022 15: 16
      +12
      Quote: Eduard Aplombov
      and kitchen strategists are happy to spit once again in the Kremlin, generals

      So these are peacetime SUVs, with stripes of generals. It would be nice to "fight" in their palace intrigues, but they would not climb into "remote command" (so as not to get their uniform dirty), hang military awards on themselves, thanks to their "closeness to the empire." Just like that, the soldiers do not feel sorry for "women give birth to new ones." I saw enough, more than 40 years ago, at that time, "applicants entering the higher command", daddies lounging in official cars - generals and adjudants running with daddies around the offices "passing entrance exams." Then there are those in the army ... It’s a pity that until they are swept away, how many soldiers should die mediocre, how many territories, civilians will be lost, and how many victims will be needed, so that later, everything can be returned back?
      1. Azvozdam Offline Azvozdam
        Azvozdam (Azvozdam) 2 October 2022 19: 47
        0
        If nothing changes .. unfortunately, it is unlikely. A person does it either immediately or (as a rule) never. In my opinion, this is the case. Or maybe this is a clinical case, huh? Who knows ...
    6. Alexfly Offline Alexfly
      Alexfly (Alexander) 2 October 2022 15: 39
      +11
      Dear, this vertical of power, built by the guarantor for 20 years in power, does not allow active and talented people to take a cannon shot, access there only according to the criteria of devotion to oneself ... This will not work out generals who know how to command armies .. There is no trust in them, as and there is no trust of the authorities in their own people .. An example, at least the Law on Weapons ... there is NO such a madhouse anywhere ....
      1. guest Offline guest
        guest 2 October 2022 17: 57
        +3
        Quote: AlexFly
        An example, at least the Weapons Act

        What do you not like about this law?
        1. skeptic Offline skeptic
          skeptic 2 October 2022 22: 00
          +2
          Quote: guest
          What do you not like about this law?

          Probably a medical certificate. from a psychiatrist. wassat
    7. guest Offline guest
      guest 2 October 2022 18: 09
      +5
      Quote: Eduard Aplombov
      fertile time has come for alarmists and provocateurs, bring a blizzard with a serious face and like a real patriot.

      Who are you calling alarmists and provocateurs? Kadyrov and Prigogine?
      1. isofat Offline isofat
        isofat (isofat) 9 October 2022 00: 18
        -1
        guest, stupid, but you can’t guess yourself?
    8. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich 2 October 2022 19: 10
      +2
      Before you write such a blizzard, your expression, look at Putin's entourage and our generals, you are unlikely to find patriots and Zhukovs. As they say, all the same faces. If you want to know from Kadyrov, intelligence is no worse, if not better, than the Kremlin. A blind patriot is no better than a fool.
    9. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 9 October 2022 00: 16
      0
      Edward, we will defeat the bastards, do not hesitate! yes
  3. viktor goblin Offline viktor goblin
    viktor goblin (viktor goblin) 2 October 2022 11: 42
    +13
    The fate of Nikolashka awaits someone! If proper measures are not taken. Don't go to grandma.
    1. Grits Offline Grits
      Grits (Alexander) 2 October 2022 15: 43
      +8
      Quote: viktor goblin
      The fate of Nikolashka awaits someone! If proper measures are not taken. Don't go to grandma.

      It seems that if nothing changes in the coming days, then everything is going to this.
      I wonder if our great scout understands this?
      1. Electric welder Offline Electric welder
        Electric welder 2 October 2022 19: 24
        +2
        The analogy begs.
    2. Trisha Offline Trisha
      Trisha (Trisha) 2 October 2022 19: 17
      -12
      Not "Nikolashka", but the holy martyr and passion-bearer Nikolai, respect our saints!
      1. Avarron Offline Avarron
        Avarron (Sergei) 3 October 2022 02: 30
        +2
        Bloody Nicholas, who shot the workers, is a saint for you?
  4. Yuri Bryanskiy Offline Yuri Bryanskiy
    Yuri Bryanskiy (Yuri Bryansky) 2 October 2022 11: 52
    +16
    There is only one conclusion: the leadership of the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff - .... Putin must urgently change them.
    1. prior Offline prior
      prior (Vlad) 2 October 2022 12: 30
      +15
      One NO. And the Moscow Region, and the General Staff, and Mishustin, and the United Russia, they all look into Putin's mouth. Nobody makes independent decisions there. It's safer that way. They know - the "king" will not offend his own, he will not put him against the wall.
      Everyone is waiting for what the "king" will say. And the "king", like the cartoon cat Leopold, is talking one thing - "let's live together."
      Here are the "mice" and insolent ....
    2. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 2 October 2022 12: 38
      +13
      The manager is responsible for the affairs of his subordinates. This has always been a fair principle. In this case, it is high time to apply it to Putin himself. I think that the reason is in it, and there is no other way to save Russia. Obviously, his decisions are still determined by the obligations to the States taken from Yeltsin
      1. skeptic Offline skeptic
        skeptic 2 October 2022 15: 25
        +4
        Quote: Alexey Davydov
        The manager is responsible for the affairs of his subordinates. This has always been a fair principle. In this case, it is high time to apply it to Putin himself.

        Will apply. "The halo of Saddam Hussein" has already begun to take shape. If you don't take your head. Even with the coolest compromising evidence, the United States has it, the people will understand if they pull the country out of an openly predictable disaster.
        1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
          Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 3 October 2022 00: 51
          0
          It is your weakness that says - let everything remain as it is - maybe it will "carry over" and the shepherd will come to his senses.
          It is foolish to put the last hope on the just revealed traitor. Doesn't change his mind. Uses the opportunity you have given him to complete his work.
          And there is a saying about you:

          Who is forewarned is forearmed

          And another:

          To whom something is given - from that it will be asked

          Understanding the real state of affairs is a responsibility
          1. skeptic Offline skeptic
            skeptic 3 October 2022 22: 29
            -1
            Quote: Alexey Davydov
            It is your weakness that says - let everything remain as it is - maybe it will "carry over" and the shepherd will come to his senses.

            Well, since we hit quotes, then

            Judge not, lest you be judged, for with the judgment you judge, you will be judged.
            1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
              Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 4 October 2022 17: 43
              0
              Do you think I'm against it?
    3. who are you Offline who are you
      who are you (Vadim Levin) 3 October 2022 01: 53
      +1
      Do you think the tail wags the dog? Campaign we have a new cult of personality rushing in full
  5. soloist2424 Offline soloist2424
    soloist2424 (Oleg) 2 October 2022 13: 08
    -6
    Perhaps they would have held out for some more time, but without heavy weapons, ammunition for them and reliable communications on bare enthusiasm, you won’t win much against a vastly superior enemy, trained and equipped according to NATO standards.

    And besides Kadyrov, is there another source confirming this information? Kadyrov is a very emotional commentator, but it seems to me that he is addicted.
    1. Peace Peace. Offline Peace Peace.
      Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 2 October 2022 14: 21
      +6
      Who else can confirm that? Yes, the entire Internet for the last 6 months, look.
    2. moran Offline moran
      moran (Andrei) 2 October 2022 14: 37
      +3
      and to guess for yourself that in an environment without knowledge base you can’t survive for a long time, is it not fate?
    3. skeptic Offline skeptic
      skeptic 2 October 2022 15: 31
      +7
      Quote from solist2424
      Kadyrov is a very emotional commentator, but it seems to me that he is addicted.

      Can you write less "emotionally" about betrayal? Share how otherwise you can interpret the surrender of the population that just voted for Russia (what awaits them in the SBU - no need to explain?)
    4. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich 2 October 2022 19: 15
      +2
      Training, patriotism, equipment of Kadyrov's soldiers are better than ours. Chechens do not run in a crowd headlong to Kyrgyzstan.
  6. Hiker Offline Hiker
    Hiker (Dmitriy) 2 October 2022 13: 49
    +13
    Everyone has just one question. How is it possible that tens and hundreds of units of armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are calmly walking and moving in an open field, despite the fact that Russia supposedly has an overwhelming advantage in the air. Where in general, Russian aviation? Or has Russia ended aviation?
    1. Grits Offline Grits
      Grits (Alexander) 2 October 2022 15: 47
      +9
      Please note that even rocket strikes on the western and central parts of Ukraine have ended. Looks like the rockets are gone too. Then what was the commander-in-chief talking about, scaring the adversaries to a laugh?
    2. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
      sgrabik (Sergei) 2 October 2022 15: 49
      +5
      Underestimating the enemy is the worst thing that can be, because of this all subsequent mistakes and miscalculations follow, but here there are obvious problems in our intelligence system, this is also a huge lack of intelligence. satellites, and an extremely small number of necessary drones and AWACS aircraft, and an insufficient number of modern electronic warfare systems capable of complicating the work of enemy reconnaissance systems, and so on, but in the end we get exactly what we get, real-time awareness time leaves much to be desired, the situation often changes faster than they have time to react to it, you need to draw conclusions, learn from your mistakes.
      1. Dingo Offline Dingo
        Dingo (Victor) 2 October 2022 23: 08
        +4
        you need to draw conclusions, learn from your mistakes.

        To whom? This, from the "Kremlin military district"? Or their "foreman" with a civil engineering education, who never served in the army? Naivete...
      2. Nelton Offline Nelton
        Nelton (Oleg) 3 October 2022 12: 19
        +3
        here there are obvious problems in our intelligence system

        That's right.
        The entire CBO was clearly planned from the premise,
        that the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the population will be like in Crimea at the beginning of 2014.
        Although already at the beginning of 2015 the Armed Forces of Ukraine became completely different, how could it not be noticed?

        Everything else is, in fact, particulars.
    3. Nelton Offline Nelton
      Nelton (Oleg) 3 October 2022 09: 56
      +1
      How is it possible that tens and hundreds of units of armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are calmly walking and moving in an open field, despite the fact that Russia supposedly has an overwhelming advantage in the air. Where in general, Russian aviation? Or has Russia ended aviation?

      The air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is quite operational, with target designations from the entire NATO infrastructure.
      So planes do not fly in depth
      Yes, in the depths - in the frontline zone, around the Liman, and even then they could not bomb out the Armed Forces of Ukraine, or smash them with artillery.
  7. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 2 October 2022 14: 05
    +9
    Conclusions? T. Stalin drew conclusions in the first days of the war. He shot the scoundrel Pavlov. And he took over the supreme command. On a national scale. I understood there was no hope for the generals. Will the current commander-in-chief have enough will not only to remove the under-generals from command, but to put them against the wall. scientific titles and memberships in different academies are not one page. When did he manage to command the site entrusted to him? Bitter, gentlemen!!
    1. moran Offline moran
      moran (Andrei) 2 October 2022 14: 46
      +5
      and what is actually everything on the generals, that they command at the front, blame it? do the generals themselves determine the number of troops involved at the front, as many as they wish? do they determine the size and timing of mobilization .... and so on. take it higher.
      1. skeptic Offline skeptic
        skeptic 2 October 2022 15: 39
        +7
        Quote: moran
        do the generals themselves determine the number of troops involved at the front, as many as they wish?

        The generals must calculate the available forces, and not place the mobilized, without communications and artillery cover, in the direction of the main attacks of the enemy. Such "bosses" and the coolest army, armed with the most modern weapons, are being driven away.
        1. Dingo Offline Dingo
          Dingo (Victor) 2 October 2022 23: 14
          +3
          All true, unfortunately.
          1. The comment was deleted.
  8. Peace Peace. Offline Peace Peace.
    Peace Peace. (Tumar Tumar) 2 October 2022 14: 34
    +8
    Recently, there has been an opinion about Kadyrov as the main one on the western front. And why not, I think so. His soldiers are fully equipped no worse than NATO, the logistics are the same, there is no theft and nepotism, nothing is hidden. He knows almost every one of his soldiers, and takes care of them with care about what the soldiers feel and are inspired by. Can communicate directly with the boss. He, like Yevkurov, is highly motivated because he lost close relatives in this war. Motivation is, after all, the steps to heroism.
    1. skeptic Offline skeptic
      skeptic 2 October 2022 15: 43
      -1
      Quote: Peace Peace.
      Recently, there has been an opinion about Kadyrov as the main one on the western front

      Can any of the critics say about the military education of Sidor Kovpak? And his contribution to the liberation of our Motherland? About the number of fighters under his leadership?
  9. Sterkhov Mikhail (Sterkhov Mikhail) 2 October 2022 14: 34
    +11
    To be honest, there are no words, one mate ... my grandson was in the Kharkov direction from the first day and there was trouble with command from the first days and it went on all this time, nothing has changed, our general staff is not able to plan and conduct an operation in the scale of the front.
    1. Dingo Offline Dingo
      Dingo (Victor) 2 October 2022 23: 33
      +2
      Michael, I agree. My nephew, colonel of the OMON, was with his guys in the same place, north of Kharkov. 90 days instead of 45 - the shift that went to replace them was simply fucked up ... When unloading or already on the march - he doesn’t know. The detachment was left for a second term ... Mediocrity and incompetence just went through the roof ... Of course, this cannot be seen from the Ferris wheel ...
  10. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
    Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 2 October 2022 15: 13
    +10
    This is an ordinary shame of our command. They run everything like that. Mediocrity!
  11. South North Offline South North
    South North (don ost) 2 October 2022 16: 11
    +5
    findings
    we will do when from moscow
    move on to more profitable
    position
  12. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 2 October 2022 16: 58
    +7
    For the first time, I support Marzhetsky 100%.
    The authorities must prove their ability to act in an extreme situation. And, in my opinion, it is necessary to start with a showdown in the highest echelons, the Government, the financial sector. Where did the gasket companies come from. selling military equipment many times more expensive? Isn't it time to conduct searches in the basements of the mansions and dachas of our, you understand, generals? Do we really have only a fighter with bribes - the keeper of billions under the bed?
    And the best proof of the justice of power is the execution by court decision of a couple of notorious friends of our President.
  13. Stinging Nettle Offline Stinging Nettle
    Stinging Nettle (Stinging Nettle) 2 October 2022 17: 00
    +1
    Quote: Peace Peace.
    Recently, there has been an opinion about Kadyrov as the main one on the western front. And why not, I think so. His soldiers are fully equipped no worse than NATO, the logistics are the same, there is no theft and nepotism, nothing is hidden. He knows almost every one of his soldiers, and takes care of them with care about what the soldiers feel and are inspired by. Can communicate directly with the boss. He, like Yevkurov, is highly motivated because he lost close relatives in this war. Motivation is, after all, the steps to heroism.

    Putin at one time also said "wet in the toilet" and other words dear to the electorate.
    You can ask the Ingush about Kadyrov.
    and Kadyrov is compulsory universal vaccination. If you are not tortured by the Ukronats, you will be starved to death by the vaccinators in their care of your health.
  14. Vadim Sharygin Offline Vadim Sharygin
    Vadim Sharygin (Citizen) 2 October 2022 17: 58
    +12
    Without the consent and approval of the President, the Minister of Defense, the Chief of the General Staff, no strategic actions are taken. Belated mobilization, lack of missile strikes on Ukrainian decision-making centers, lack of a military treaty with China, preservation of the structure of the Russian military-industrial complex in its current inefficient form, initial small number of forces and means of the Russian group involved in the NMD, inconsistency of actions and half-hearted decisions, incl. attempts to make peace with the Kyiv neo-fascists, the failure to declare war on Ukraine to please the Russian oligarchs, the behavior of Belarus, Kazakhstan is more like the behavior of enemies than friends - all these criminal mistakes were not made by the people and the Russian army, and the impending nuclear catastrophe will have its own free and involuntary authors or stalkers.
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 3 October 2022 17: 15
      0
      I think that, unfortunately, there is no smell of a nuclear catastrophe. What Yeltsin did under US control is now being done by Putin. We, on the contrary, really need this smell. After all, only him, like fire, is afraid of the Anglo-Saxons. In addition to threatening their home, it is he who is able to thwart their precious plans and force them to retreat.
  15. alexander m_2 Offline alexander m_2
    alexander m_2 (Alexander) 2 October 2022 18: 56
    +7
    Have you ever wondered why Russia and its military-political leadership are lagging behind and do not understand what is happening. All actions in Ukraine are criminally late.
    This concerns, first of all, mobilization, which has been talked about for half a year. Finally, 300 thousand were decided. These 300 thousand were needed in March, now at least a million soldiers are needed. ? The Americans started all interventions with this. Why. As if they are deliberately stretching the conflict, and the Americans are giving weapons in portions and Russia is the minimum composition of the troops. So far, this policy is leading to the grinding of the troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the army of the Russian Federation, volunteers and forces of the LPR and DPR.
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 3 October 2022 17: 31
      +2
      Anglo-Saxon meat grinder for Slavic peoples. This is true.
      The second reason is their plan, which involves Ukraine, Russia and European countries. Anglo-Saxons do not need a too strong Russia. After all, as a result of the weakening of Europe, it must die, otherwise the Americans will have to finish it off themselves. Europe is assigned, from an economic and political competitor, to become a weak-willed industrial appendage of the States
  16. bsk_una Offline bsk_una
    bsk_una (Nick) 2 October 2022 19: 14
    +8
    Strange war?! Or not?! NATO is rushing weapons to the Nazis with carts, but the generals don’t care, then we’ll break it. But they didn’t break it, then this weapon hits our soldiers. We are losing our army, we are losing our young capable guys. Why don't the generals get into their heads that we are losing another prestige, a gene pool? Why are all roads, logistics points safe and sound?! How, then, to call such inaction? Has anyone come up with an answer? I suspect that we are talking about the irresponsibility of the leadership of the RF Armed Forces. Why the president takes such a position does not attach importance to every step of the army's actions. Who is deceiving whom? And why is he cheating? Why does the president not have a bunch of questions about this and effective measures? The methods of delivering weapons from NATO should have been broken long ago and the mobile use of the transfer of troops on the very territory of Ukraine should be stopped! Who will still give an exhaustive answer in order to remove the gloomy thoughts of the people.
    1. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 2 October 2022 19: 42
      +3
      It smells like 1917 and they remember it, they studied at the institutes and know how the arming of a large number of people ended. They are afraid to touch their own, you can stumble in the corridor and accidentally fall on the guard's bayonet. And to be for your own and play along with yours is much safer. Let everything go smoothly and roll.
      1. who are you Offline who are you
        who are you (Vadim Levin) 3 October 2022 02: 01
        +3
        I touched on this topic back in March. in one of the speeches of our president it was announced that he would not allow a repetition of 17 years. along the way, the new elite fear their own people more than the Ukronazis.
    2. ficshr Offline ficshr
      ficshr (Nikolai Anisimov) 3 October 2022 20: 54
      +2
      I read your note with pain in my heart ... everything is absolutely true. Thanks...
  17. Electric welder Offline Electric welder
    Electric welder 2 October 2022 19: 17
    +6
    The reasons for the failures of the military personnel of the allied forces are:
    lack of strength
    mistakes of individual military officials in the organization of defense,
    the notorious "five hundredths", which leave strategically important positions,
    late arrived reserves,
    lack of coordination between different units on the ground.
  18. gene1 Offline gene1
    gene1 (Gennady) 2 October 2022 19: 23
    +2
    Are there among us (like-minded people) who have filed an application on the Russian Public Initiative website "Remove Shoigu, Gerasimov" ???? And better is another: "Dismiss from the ranks of the Armed Forces all those over 60+"
  19. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich 2 October 2022 19: 31
    +5
    Until the leadership really understands that in case of defeat, they will be fried, steamed and finely chopped, nothing will change. And now in the heads of yachts, bills, children abroad, villas that the West may still return. Only the West needs on the gallows not Vaskas and Ivans, but demonstrative persons .....,........, ...., ...... You can enter in the gaps those persons who you think that they will not escape punishment. After realizing such a prospect, helicopters, and planes, and ammunition will appear.
    1. who are you Offline who are you
      who are you (Vadim Levin) 3 October 2022 01: 45
      +5
      Gorbachev and Yeltsin fried and steamed a lot? they even erected monuments instead of aspen stakes. so that a raven does not peck out a crow's eye. one bro will tell another - that he was unlucky
  20. Azvozdam Offline Azvozdam
    Azvozdam (Azvozdam) 2 October 2022 19: 31
    +5
    Of course, this is a betrayal at the highest level! Country generals can only gut the treasury. And also, if Putin came to Krasnye Liman (you won’t dream of such a thing in a nightmare), so many shells, rockets and mines would fly in, mom mia! what will happen to Russia? The Supreme Commander had to give up everything and deal only with the army, but! how could it be without presentations, demonstration performances and celebrations. Their country is collapsing, yes, yes, but they are having fun.
  21. The comment was deleted.
  22. radvas Offline radvas
    radvas (Igor) 2 October 2022 19: 40
    0
    Hey Russians in Ukraine! Stop being jerks! You are normal people.
    1. zloman Offline zloman
      zloman 3 October 2022 11: 24
      0
      Where did you get all this
  23. radvas Offline radvas
    radvas (Igor) 2 October 2022 19: 43
    -1
    Otherwise, fight? how do the Anglo-Saxons want? Well, let's...
  24. Anadyrean Offline Anadyrean
    Anadyrean (Hanson) 2 October 2022 22: 45
    +3
    The plan "We will come and everyone will run away" did not work. It is necessary to fight not only with soldiers on the battlefield, but also with brains in the Moscow Region. Kadyrov is right, you can't chew snot in a war. You can't pity the enemy. Either winner or loser. I understand it’s easy for us to talk from sofas, but where is the promised defeat of the enemy by the Ministry of Defense?
  25. Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich 2 October 2022 23: 59
    +3
    The main conclusion is to increase and improve the army, to pay soldiers normally, and not like the cheapest guest workers. It is urgent to steal drawings of foreign equipment and produce it at home, it’s too late to invent. an American brazier in the form of a barbecue (I apologize if I messed up something at the end, I can’t stand American cuisine, in short, they’ll fry it first, then steam it and cut it finely). Demote stupid and thieves generals to the ranks and send them to the trenches. Then you won’t have to draw any conclusions. And now the shame falls not on us, not on our soldiers and officers, but on the president and the government, but who would tell them about it? And the strangest thing is that no one blushes, neither the president nor Konashenkov.
  26. The comment was deleted.
  27. bonifacius Offline bonifacius
    bonifacius (Alex) 3 October 2022 00: 39
    +2
    .... introduce accelerated training courses for junior lieutenants and mid-level officers

    Mr. Writer, did you watch the parades on Red Square? There, an endless string of all kinds of military schools and academies are marching, which should be engaged in NORMAL (and not accelerated) training of officers of all levels.
  28. who are you Offline who are you
    who are you (Vadim Levin) 3 October 2022 01: 40
    +4
    When we are not in a hurry, then we are not going to fight. We are probably waiting for an agreement in the capitol and the Kremlin. only those that we do not throw will not have time to go anywhere.
  29. vicvic Offline vicvic
    vicvic (VicVic) 3 October 2022 07: 33
    +6
    Enough already to refer, as your own excuse, to the fact that troops trained and trained according to NATO standards are operating against us. Our army, which in the end, by and large, wasn’t it preparing to fight with NATO?
    Ah, Ukraine was trained according to the NATO standard and given NATO weapons! And who, if not NATO, did we see as a potential adversary? Then it turns out that there is nothing to oppose besides a vigorous bomb?
    1. Muscool Offline Muscool
      Muscool (Glory) 3 October 2022 08: 50
      +7
      Sawed money all this time. And now the army is like a bunch of goons with guns 50 years ago. No one is responsible or responsible for anything.
      1,5 million sets of uniforms for the mobilized were gone, the cruiser Moscow was drowned, the cities were rented out. This is normal for the current government, not a single criminal case has been opened. For you, citizen, let's take a machine gun, buy a uniform, a sleeping bag, berets, a walkie-talkie for your 25 thousand salaries, take a machine gun and go into the frontal storm crests, and Ukrainians from the other side of the city will be trains, echelons to bring personnel with equipment, because that the crested infrastructure is inviolable.
  30. Vladislav Labinsky (Vlad. Grumpy) 3 October 2022 09: 20
    +2
    Unfortunately, generals are ALWAYS preparing for the last war.
    So it is now: in Afghanistan they didn’t know what UAVs were, they appeared, but not for our command
  31. Win Offline Win
    Win (Alexey) 3 October 2022 09: 40
    +4
    Dangerous conclusions can be drawn ... as the spokesman said, "we have been preparing for 8 years", the best military-industrial complex ... and what we see in 8 years of preparation. This is a very dangerous trend, if conscripts are also on the front line ...
  32. tkot973 Offline tkot973
    tkot973 (Konstantin) 3 October 2022 09: 48
    +4
    Well, my couch friends. What we shall do? Will we continue to tear and like, or maybe some thoughts will appear?
    The vast majority here hold exactly the same thoughts. And this is a tiny section of our society, ie. Russia as a whole. And it would be necessary to somehow activate something, and not like each other.
    ps
    I will immediately remove obsessive ideas - I do not call for any revolution.
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 3 October 2022 16: 20
      +2
      I think those who can do something to save Russia themselves know about it.
      Their understanding of this responsibility to her is her main hope.
      Well, the Motherland never forgot those who saved it. Let's remember Minin and Pozharsky
      1. tkot973 Offline tkot973
        tkot973 (Konstantin) 5 October 2022 00: 33
        0
        My house is on the edge. Well, there is also such a position. Thanks for reacting.
    2. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 3 October 2022 18: 23
      +1
      Viktor Tsoi "Ataman"

  33. Mikhalych Offline Mikhalych
    Mikhalych 3 October 2022 09: 49
    +3
    Quote: rotkiv04
    the fish rots from the head, judging by all the previous history of the strategist in the appointment of the main principle is personal devotion, not professionalism, so these are all impossible goals for today

    Firstly, you need to understand that the "invisible hand of the market" is only among pickpockets. To do this, they destroyed the USSR. Yesterday's party workers have become oligarchs. My opinion is this.
    1. All resources (oil, gas, metals) should be in the hands of the state. Critical to the security of the country industry, too.
    2. Trade with foreign countries only through government agencies.
    3. Banks and firms to prohibit foreign exchange transactions. Only through the state bank.
    And the last. Ban all this pornographic culture.
    1. Nelton Offline Nelton
      Nelton (Oleg) 3 October 2022 16: 28
      -1
      ...in the hands of the state. ... industry too.
      ... only through government agencies.

      officials obosr..sya with the organization of the military-industrial complex and the conduct of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and you also want to give them the economy?
      1. Mikhalych Offline Mikhalych
        Mikhalych 3 October 2022 19: 16
        +2
        officials obosr..sya with the organization of the military-industrial complex and the conduct of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and you also want to give them the economy?

        In order not to obsir, they should not wipe their asses, but on a logging site or against a wall. It is necessary to revive responsibility and discipline, which they began to destroy immediately after Stalin's death and ended with the marked one. However, the state has a number of advantages over private traders. One of them is long-term planning. And officials themselves will not build yachts the size of an aircraft carrier. In general, study the economy of Stalin's time. As I understood it, and oh ..., in general, I was very surprised.
        what
  34. zloman Offline zloman
    zloman 3 October 2022 09: 52
    -4
    Why Russia takes on so much. Decides what power should be in Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Belarus. Someday you'll just choke on your oil and gas. Your guys who arrived in Belarus after mobilization are surprised at how calm everything is here. People are polite. In stores, they do not cover obscenities. Think for yourself about this state of affairs at your leisure.
  35. The comment was deleted.
  36. viktor goblin Offline viktor goblin
    viktor goblin (viktor goblin) 3 October 2022 10: 23
    +1
    I will immediately remove obsessive ideas - I do not call for any revolution.

    And what - legal \ according to the law - there are no ways to change for the better? Who tried? Any authorities lick one place ... for this they allow you to bark at the switchmen. But - on command.
    1. tkot973 Offline tkot973
      tkot973 (Konstantin) 3 October 2022 10: 34
      +2
      So here are the legal ways and I mean. And I suggest we try together.
      Water does not flow under a lying pebble. I’m even wondering how many of those who have noted here will want to offer something or at least somehow react. You are the first.
  37. zloman Offline zloman
    zloman 3 October 2022 10: 51
    -1
    Evolution or revolution?
    1. tkot973 Offline tkot973
      tkot973 (Konstantin) 3 October 2022 10: 59
      0
      The question is not clear.
      But still you number 2
      :-)
      1. zloman Offline zloman
        zloman 3 October 2022 11: 36
        0
        Too many are tied already. Even with blood. I once read a saying of one person, the meaning of whose words is that in Russia you can only make money. What we are seeing. There is no life here. Unfortunately.
  38. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 3 October 2022 12: 39
    +4
    A country that is at war with almost the whole world of "democracy", and these are 55 countries, should switch to a military footing everywhere, but our Kremlin authorities do not understand this yet. Putin's habit of not expelling employees who fail in everything that is entrusted, but remain faithfully devoted, does not make it possible to transfer control to those who are able to correct the mess with decisive measures that are in no way suitable for a mobilization economy. Stop trying to please everyone, failures are already visible both at the front and in the rear. Tough measures are needed, those who disagree should be deprived of the opportunity to interfere with the process.
  39. Alex Nevs Offline Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs (Alex) 3 October 2022 14: 00
    +2
    Come on. laughing Generals? from ruble? Yes, do not vzhist will not leave a profitable place.
  40. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 3 October 2022 15: 06
    0
    Quote: Eduard Aplombov
    a fertile time has come for alarmists and provocateurs, bring a blizzard with a serious face and like a real patriot. Ready to lay down life for the country
    the mind is only enough for calls and slogans, yes I yes we ..
    as if it is possible to find new, smart, talented people in one part, to which they attribute themselves
    they draw all the information from articles, such as information from various sources, yes, yes ...
    today Ramzan is the first honest source, tomorrow it will be Khodorkovsky, etc.
    the war is with the West, the war is hidden in many aspects, little understood by the average layman
    the West is saving its strength. maybe waiting for Russia to lay out all the cards, hence all this fuss on the part of Russia, revealing all its shortcomings and weaknesses in front of everyone
    and the kitchen strategists are happy to spit once again at the Kremlin, the generals, which is why I am a sinner
    Kadyrov is well done in his place, but it is not his business to issue labels to generals
    still at the very beginning, no matter how cynical it sounds to the boys in the trenches
    the war with the West with its goals and objectives is just beginning and will affect everyone, both generals and couch strategists

    Well, of course, because everything goes according to a super-duper cunning plan, and there is no trace of the cattle to know about him. Is not it?
  41. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 3 October 2022 15: 09
    0
    Quote from vicvic
    Enough already to refer, as your own excuse, to the fact that troops trained and trained according to NATO standards are operating against us. Our army, which in the end, by and large, wasn’t it preparing to fight with NATO?
    Ah, Ukraine was trained according to the NATO standard and given NATO weapons! And who, if not NATO, did we see as a potential adversary? Then it turns out that there is nothing to oppose besides a vigorous bomb?

    International terrorism is the only one they had to fight against, because all the rest are partners, sir. And they were even forbidden to think that it would be necessary to speak out against partners.
  42. Rinat Offline Rinat
    Rinat (Rinat) 3 October 2022 17: 50
    -4
    Marzhetsky went too far with the epithet Tragedy. Failure or tactical defeat, and then with a stretch.
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 3 October 2022 19: 28
      0
      One failure or tactical defeat is certainly not a tragedy, but if the number of these failures and tactical defeats increases, then is it time to think about it.
  43. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 3 October 2022 18: 26
    +4
    After the failures near Balakleya, Izyum and Krasny Liman, it is no longer necessary to talk about the decline in the moral and psychological state of the Wehrmacht and the Reich's population. On the contrary, morale has now risen very strongly. The population of the Reich's coming out and the troops of the Wehrmacht's coming out came to believe that the "second army of the world" can be defeated, you can clean its turnips, and it powerlessly crawls back. A fourfold numerical superiority in people, superiority in means of reconnaissance, command and control of troops and artillery fire control perfectly offsets some superiority in armored vehicles and the number of artillery barrels that our army has. And the air defense of the Wehrmacht's coming out long ago and thoroughly landed our small aviation.
    And where are all the squatting dances of TV experts, they say, it's okay that NATO equipment will arrive at the front, we will dispose of it like two fingers on asphalt? These experts shut up, stuck their tongues in, pretended to be rags and do not shine, slickers. If only they were no longer remembered and asked questions, they say, why are you not in a hurry to dispose of NATO equipment to the front?
    And one more nuance. In Afghanistan, the Soviet Army lost 9 people in the course of 13500 and a half years; in Ukraine, I am afraid, we will surpass this figure in a year.
    The most disgusting thing is that now the Reich propaganda is coming out, especially focuses on comparing how many MONTHS it took our army to take Balakleya, Izyum and Krasny Liman, and how many DAYS it took the Wehrmacht to drive our troops out of there.
    It is even sadder that even at the end of spring, alarming voices were already heard that something was going wrong at the fronts. But they tried to drown out these sound voices with the hysterical squeal of the uryakals, they say, shut up, you don’t understand anything, everything is under control, everything is going according to a super-cunning plan that we are about to gasp!
    And the bottom line was the surrender of cities and tens of thousands of people who trusted us, who are now doomed to go through all the circles of hell. And the Reich propaganda will throw these circles into the net and on TV, so that those who were waiting for our army would give up all hope. And how many who hesitate after this will believe us? A lot of people will say, they say, go through the forest with your "Russian world", if you hand it over so easily and hand over the people who trusted you.
  44. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 3 October 2022 18: 34
    +1
    Quote: Gritsa
    Quote: viktor goblin
    The fate of Nikolashka awaits someone! If proper measures are not taken. Don't go to grandma.

    It seems that if nothing changes in the coming days, then everything is going to this.
    I wonder if our great scout understands this?

    IMHO, he is in a parallel universe, cut off from reliable information. The retinue makes the king, she decides what he should know and what questions he should not be disturbed by.
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 3 October 2022 19: 47
      +2
      You have made a blind-deaf-mute oligophrenic out of him. Do you believe in it yourself? Isn't it easier to assume that he's perfectly normal and smart, just doing a different job?
  45. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 3 October 2022 18: 48
    0
    Quote: Trisha
    Not "Nikolashka", but the holy martyr and passion-bearer Nikolai, respect our saints!

    For many, Nikolashka is never a saint.
  46. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 3 October 2022 19: 08
    0
    What else would you like to say. And what do you want from the army, which has been getting rid of the legacy of the "despicable scoop" for 20 years? After all, with whom were they going to fight? With the notorious "international terrorism". And this will be a "war of a new type" waged by an "army of a new look." Divisions, corps, armies, front? No, they have not heard, the legacy of the "despicable scoop" is scrapped and anathematized. An enemy who has hundreds of tanks, infantry fighting vehicles / armored personnel carriers, hundreds of artillery pieces and hundreds of MLRS? No, we haven't heard where the terrorists get all this from. Hence the almost religious worship of the notorious BTG, but in fact, in front of a reinforced motorized rifle battalion, like, the BTG will solve ANY tasks on the battlefield. Regiments, divisions, corps - fuck off the beach.
    And in country 404, suddenly, guards, we came under barrage of six-inch guns! Guard, a volley of dozens of MLRS covered us! Guard, here the adversary has dozens and dozens of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles / armored personnel carriers! We did not agree on this, the international terrorists should not have had any of this! We were not taught this, that counter-battery combat must be waged! We were not taught this, that there would be a front line, and even entirely from long-term fortifications! In general, we have not been taught war with such an army for 20 years!
    So now we are spitting blood for anathematizing the experience of the "despicable scoop". After all, they believed that how the war would be now: a couple of BTGs galloped up, defeated the nut of international terrorists, galloped off to another place to win. And this BTG of one artillery battalion and one MLRS battalion is quite enough. And here in front of the BTG on a 6-8-kilometer front there are nine lines of concrete trenches, for every 200 meters there is a concrete firing point, and even in several lines. And nichrome of one artillery battalion is not enough to crush these fortifications on such a front. And there are dances with tambourines for three months around the battalion defense area.
    Somehow it turns out
    1. Vladimir Tuzakov (Vladimir Tuzakov) 3 October 2022 21: 15
      0
      Replica. Who prevents to collect 10-20 armored personnel carriers and other attached to the 10 km sector for a strike, now the management and supply are very easy, this is already a corps on the offensive 10 km out .. There are no problems, problems in the generals and means in the troops, which are not . Parquet generals cannot be combat by definition, they are for parades and flattering before the top, for military operations helpfulness and nepotism, like a plague for the army, they will put everyone at dawn and quickly. We see this in the SVO ..
  47. usm5 Offline usm5
    usm5 (George) 3 October 2022 19: 46
    0
    Unfortunately, there is nothing to add to what has been said.
  48. Event Observer Offline Event Observer
    Event Observer (Oleg T) 4 October 2022 02: 24
    0
    Send all disloyal people to the front. Like under Stalin.
  49. Event Observer Offline Event Observer
    Event Observer (Oleg T) 4 October 2022 02: 30
    0
    The war with Ukraine is also competition both in the labor market and between enterprises and everywhere. If the country is ruled by fools, then they will lose.
    This is the essence of neoliberalism, which became the official ideology of Russia in the 90s and is still flourishing today. The revolution devours its children.
    1. Amper Offline Amper
      Amper (Vlad) 4 October 2022 14: 14
      +1
      Not a Revolution, but a raider seizure of power by criminal structures. hi
  50. Panzer1962 Offline Panzer1962
    Panzer1962 (Panzer1962) 4 October 2022 07: 55
    0
    Quote: Vladimir Tuzakov
    Replica. Who prevents to collect 10-20 armored personnel carriers and other attached to the 10 km sector for a strike, now the management and supply are very easy, this is already a corps on the offensive 10 km out .. There are no problems, problems in the generals and means in the troops, which are not . Parquet generals cannot be combat by definition, they are for parades and flattering before the top, for military operations helpfulness and nepotism, like a plague for the army, they will put everyone at dawn and quickly. We see this in the SVO ..

    What did you run into these BTGs? This is crazy - to manage the battle of TWENTY battalions! For this, our regiments and NATO brigades served, so that the division command would not be dizzy from petty problems, that one of the battalions ran into a company stronghold and slowed down. This is the level of the regiment commander's decision!
    We are now reaping the fruits of cretinism, when the headquarters is forced to control the battle of two dozen small units at once, solving the problem of a single bunker not suppressed by artillery. Because of this, all the nonsense is happening.
  51. Art Pilot Offline Art Pilot
    Art Pilot (pilot) 4 October 2022 10: 41
    0
    Tragedy is defeat in war. And leaving the settlement is a routine war. Some villages can repeatedly pass from hand to hand. Shouting about "tragedy" is whipping up hysteria. Think about who needs it.
    1. Amper Offline Amper
      Amper (Vlad) 4 October 2022 14: 11
      -1
      It's annoying! what Some vague, bad suspicions, no matter how carried away, like the Fritz in 41-45gg, to align the defense lines belay Actually, they wanted to solve everything in two weeks, well, by Victory Day in May, and now RUSSIAN cities are handing over ... crying
  52. The comment was deleted.
  53. Amper Offline Amper
    Amper (Vlad) 4 October 2022 13: 23
    0
    There is only one conclusion, in order not to have the shame of the Civil Code, the Ministry of Defense, the General Staff in full force must shoot themselves, according to the code. belay But the code exists only for people of honor! negative So they can all relax feel
  54. Anatoly Kuznetsov (Anatoly Kuznetsov) 4 October 2022 16: 14
    0
    Kyiv lives a peaceful life! And he receives guests from Europe, transfers reserves by rail !!! And why does it all work?
  55. DO Offline DO
    DO (Dmitriy) 4 October 2022 19: 36
    0
    Perhaps, during a difficult war, it would be right to put a real combat officer, Lieutenant General Yunus-Bek Yevkurov, who is currently a deputy minister, at the head of it. How much respected Yunus-Bek Bamatgireevich is involved in the case is evidenced by the fact that his nephew Captain Adam Khamkhoev, commander of the airborne assault company of the Airborne Forces, died heroically near Severodonetsk while performing his military duty, without becoming to sit out like some kind of "golden youth", safe in the home front or at a resort abroad. To defeat such an uncompromising adversary as Nazi Ukraine and the NATO block behind it, Russia needs exactly such deeply professional people at the head of the Ministry of Defense and in the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces.

    With all my great respect for Yunus-Bek Bamatgireevich, and especially for his heroically deceased nephew, Captain Adam Khamkhoev, a strict selection criterion for key positions in the command of the NMD and supporting structures should now be real successes of the commanders and commanders of the military operations of the NMD, and effective actions to supplying the NVO group with weapons (uninterrupted and sufficiency of logistics, as well as, for example, actions for the appearance at the front of Geran-2 drones that have shown their effectiveness, new for the RF Armed Forces).
    Everything else, here and now, in the selection of candidates to replace the military leaders and supplies who have shown themselves negatively, does not matter.
  56. Victor Surname Offline Victor Surname
    Victor Surname (Victor Surname) 6 October 2022 10: 02
    -1
    The farther the more I am convinced that our generals can be entrusted with no more than a company, effective managers and children of high officials who can only trade are sitting on the general staff. During the war, not a single general who allowed the death of soldiers was punished, even ai yai did not say a fresh example of Lapin, all the glamor raised a howl in his defense.
  57. isofat Offline isofat
    isofat (isofat) 9 October 2022 00: 01
    0
    We must draw a simple conclusion, Putin failed to win. And Liman will have to give. laughing