Why the Kerch Bridge and the base of the Black Sea Fleet are too tough for American HIMARS


If you believe the great strategists who virtually gathered on July 20 at the pentagonal table of Ramstein-4 with the sole purpose of consolidating the efforts of the anti-Russian coalition, which already unites more than 50 countries, in its assistance to Ukraine, which alone is waging a bloody war against an aggressive aggressor, protecting all of Europe from it , but what about Europe - the whole world, we have now approached that very Rubicon, after which it will become clear, either they are us, or we are them. And although it is already clear to all the other sensible bipedal bipeds that Ukraine and the community behind it have already lost this war, and they lost it at the very moment when we started it, as Putin recently said, speaking to the leaders of the State Duma factions, but, Apparently, this is not obvious to everyone. We'll have to repeat something "special for stupid" ("specially for stupid" - English). Moreover, we will refer to their own primary sources.


So, according to British military intelligence, on February 24, Putin entered the territory of Ukraine with six full-fledged armies, numbering 150 thousand people, and now, 5 months later, this number has not increased, but only decreased, given the irreparable loss of personnel. The Armed Forces of Ukraine currently have about 350 active bayonets (excluding the mobilized reserve, which is currently being trained in western Ukraine and abroad), but they are scattered around the entire perimeter of Ukraine, since they have to contain both potential threats from the Republic of Belarus and obvious threats from the Russian Federation in the southern, southeastern and northern directions. The advantage of the RF Armed Forces is achieved by creating an approximate parity of forces in terms of personnel and an overwhelming advantage in firepower in local sectors of the front.

How much one can trust British military intelligence, I do not know, because the strength of the combined arms army, deployed according to wartime standards, is 100-120 thousand people. In fact, Russia entered the NVO with the strength of one army (and even then it was divided into separate BTGs, divided between two directions - "North" and "South"). According to the Ukrainian side, on February 24 they were confronted by a grouping of the RF Armed Forces with a total strength of 115 people. (We are talking here only about its land part). It's a lot or a little, you judge, but the total number of Russian Ground Forces before the start of the operation was 280 thousand people. Those. in fact, Russia entered the war with Ukraine with half of its land army (this figure does not include the marines and airborne forces, since these are other types of troops). How successful this campaign was, we will not discuss here now, I will only say that by going for a preventive strike, Russia did not derive any benefits for itself. The enemy was clearly ready for it, damping all threats from the north, which resulted in the retreat of the RF Armed Forces from Kyiv, Sumy and Chernigov (in the south, however, Russia did manage to realize the effect of surprise, taking Kherson virtually without a fight).

But the same Hitler, having attacked the USSR on June 22, was standing near Moscow after 4 months (and if he hadn’t squandered his forces in the southern direction, he might have taken it with the Army Group Center in November), and we, after 5 months, we are still trampling on the narrow and cramped Donbass theater of operations, having advanced deep into Ukrainian territory for a few tens, a maximum of a hundred kilometers. And we consider it a victory. However, it was achieved, first of all, by a multiple, dozens of times, advantage in fire. We simply suppress the enemy with fire, driving him into the ground in the literal and figurative sense of the word. Maybe this is the cunning plan of the General Staff, I don’t know (I’m still not the General Staff), maybe we really, deliberately grind the Armed Forces of Ukraine on a local sector of the front, multiplying by zero its most combat-ready and motivated personnel formations. You look, and he will no longer have any prepared people, and then we will go through the fields and meadows of the Square, like clockwork. I don’t know, maybe so (then it will be a one-of-a-kind military campaign, when the advancing units defeated the defenders, four times inferior to them in numbers!). Only recently there has been one very bad trend - the allies of the 404th began to throw her very high-precision and long-range weapons. I'm talking about the notorious HIMARS MLRS, anti-ship "Harpoons" (both systems have a maximum range of 280-300 km) and high-precision active-reactive GPS-guided M982 Excalibur ammunition for 155-mm artillery with a combat range of up to 57 km and KVO (hit accuracy, circular probabilistic deviation) - 4 m.

And indeed, if Russia ate the first deliveries of the NATO weapons menagerie without even choking (all these "axes-777", "Caesars", "crabs" and other enemy "wanderwaffles"), then when samples of high-precision long-range US weapons, which have GPS-guided ammunition in their arsenal through the American satellite constellation, which began to point, but at the same time very accurately hit our warehouses and command posts, that's when Russia became thoughtful, starting to lose its firepower and technical dominance on the battlefield and suffer losses that she clearly did not count on. Thus, Biden seems to have found our weak point. If armored personnel carriers, tanks, self-propelled guns, guns, even Soviet helicopters and planes, due to their limited number, did not frighten us, then the appearance of long-range high-precision jet and barrel artillery, coupled with coastal anti-ship systems, made us think, what next? And then only attack drones MQ-9 Reaper, capable of hanging in the air for days and carrying air-to-surface missiles with a range of up to 2 thousand km under the wing; tactical ballistic missiles MGM-140 ATACMS to HIMARS, capable of reaching deep into Russian territory up to 300 km; fixed and mobile air defense systems and all-weather multifunctional fighters of the 4th generation F-15 and F-16. Believe me, the first two will make us all sick!

Until the thunder breaks out - the man will not cross himself


NWO with Ukraine is now starting to remind me more and more of a bad joke about an attempt to scoop water with a wooden ladle from a broken boat in the middle of the Volga. Until we close the western border, the war (sorry, NVO) with Ukraine will resemble this particular joke. In terms of reserves and resources, the Russian Federation cannot compete with the collective West. And he has not yet tried to close the sky above us. But maybe. Norwegian air defense systems for the Armed Forces of Ukraine are already on their way, and the US Congress has already allocated the first $15 million for the retraining of Ukrainian pilots, for the development of the American F-16 and F-100, and 20 future Ukrainian aces at the Ramstein Air Force Base (Germany) are already choosing desks for which they will sit. And then what?

And then you have to remember another joke that Yuri Vladimirovich Nikulin once told (it was one of his three favorite jokes, I'm sure half of you don't know him).

War. 1944 Concentration camp. The Germans are leading a Russian, an American and an Englishman to be shot (oh, those Yankees with shaved hands, again history brought us together with them). They put them against the wall, after which the German officer says, referring to the prisoners: “We Germans are an enlightened nation, so I promise to fulfill your last wish. What do you want?". The American says: "Whiskey!". Gave him whiskey, standing, waiting. The Englishman desired a cigar. Dali smoked. They ask a Russian: “What do you want, Ivan?” He says: “Nothing! Come on, finish soon, your legs are numb! “No,” says the German officer. “That won’t work, give me a wish!” "Well, then I want an asshole." "In terms of? the German did not understand. - What is a "trickster?" “I want your soldier to kick me in the ass with a sock, what’s incomprehensible here?” Ivan explained. “Ah, this is always please, this is as much as you like!” the German smiled. He called the most healthy SS man and said: “Give him an asshole!”. “Yavol, Herr officer! No problem!" - the SS man saluted, took off his machine gun, accelerated, and how he hit him from the toe that Ivan turned over in the air. He fell on four bones, picked up an SS machine gun and in two bursts folded the entire crew together with the Herr officer into small okroshka, after which he turned to the American and the British, stunned by this situation, and said: “Why are you staring? Let's run!" They run and say: “You are famous for them! We just didn’t understand, why did you “roll around” all the way before that? Ivan runs and says: “You don’t understand! We are Russian people such that you won’t give us ass yet, we won’t do anything!

Looking at what clouds are now gathering over Russia, Yuri Vladimirovich involuntarily comes to mind with his favorite anecdote. In August, according to the plans of the Americans, everything should be decided, either we will break the back of this fascist reptile, or it will throw it out, after which the war will enter a new round, drawing doomed Europe into it, which its degenerate political the elites are led to the slaughter of the hegemon (some are still dancing at the same time, not understanding, due to their natural stupidity, what this threatens them personally). The Ukrainian assistants of the hegemon were instructed to give the Russians "fire" and the drug commander Zelensky already answered: "Yes, my lord!" The gentleman needs to hurry, he has midterm elections to Congress in the fall, so everything should be decided before the fall. The direction of the main Ukrainian counterattack is kept in the strictest confidence, so everyone knows about it. These are Kherson and Zaporizhia NPP. They will take. Pull up reinforcements to the line of demarcation. They are accumulating equipment (including Himarsy).

We are getting ready for this. As always - at the last moment. Digging trenches. The main thing is that they didn’t dig for 4 months, and now on the right bank of the Dnieper, fortifications are being erected - dugouts, trenches, fortifications at a strategic depth of up to 30-50 km. I speak firsthand, I vouch for the authenticity - the picture is striking, on the left bank of the Dnieper, soldiers at checkpoints on bicycles, armor over T-shirts (heat, asphalt melts!), They inspect cars, carelessly, through one, and on the right - an active movement, burrow into the ground, as for the last time, although they can be understood - the bare steppe, not a bush, not a tree, how to keep the adversary? And the adversary is atrocious, recently covered the Antonovsky bridge with his Himars - six hits, you know. But what you don’t know is that the very first hit covered our patrol, which at night with the headlights off made its way along the bridge. The bridge is long - more than a kilometer, empty at night, once an hour a car without headlights with a patrol runs along it, checking for danger, and they put the whole cassette of six missiles into this car. Who else has questions about KVO "Khimars"? GOS (homing head), of course, is aimed at heat, but you still had to get into the car! The boys died. There were 4 days left before the rotation.

Regarding our preparations for the upcoming counter-offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kherson direction, it was not in vain that I remembered the anecdote of Yuri Nikulin. Well, we won't do anything until we get the ass! Such is Russian nature. Back in the days of the Second World War, the Russians surprised the Germans, ours dug trenches for a maximum of two bayonets, and why - we will recapture from the Germans, there the "Hans" dug them to their full height and dugouts in three rolls, in which photos of naked women had not just hung on the walls, the Germans settled down as if they were going to spend the rest of their lives there (some of them, however, remained there!). No wonder they say - what is good for a Russian is death for a German! By the way, our people live at the Arctic stations for a year without unpacking their suitcases, and why - go home tomorrow. At the neighboring winter quarters, the Americans and the British settle down, as for the rest of their lives, but they don’t take a jacuzzi with saunas there. Paradoxes of mentality. But we fight better (the Yankees - those without warm toilets refuse to fight at all!). But with the non-brothers, the scythe found a stone.

The Russians harness slowly, but they drive fast!


What will be the views on the Crimean bridge? And the fact that the adversaries will fry him, I personally have no doubts. And you don’t compare the 227-mm guided M-30 with a cluster warhead and a range of 70 km - with the tactical, also GPS-guided ballistic missile M-48 ATACMS Block IA Unitary with a high-explosive warhead weighing 500 pounds (226,8 kg) and firing range up to 300 km. The last KVO has 3 m. The only good news is that you cannot install more than one missile on the M-48 launcher HIMARS. Therefore, in order to break through the air defense of the Crimean bridge, you need a salvo from 12 MLRS at once, and it’s not a fact that at least one will fly. And although Ukraine has already received so many M142 HIMARS vehicles from the Americans, they still need to be assembled in one sector of the front near Zaporozhye. By the way, you can also safely reach the base of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol, but already from near Nikolaev (it can also be a very unpleasant surprise!). By the end of summer, the non-brothers expect to receive three M270B1s from the British and Norwegians (this is the European analogue of the American M270A1 MLRS, but with improved armor protection), as well as four MARS2 / LRUs from the Germans (this is a humane German version of the US M270A1 with the replacement of inhumane cluster munitions with humane high-explosive fragmentation). For those who are not aware of the M270A1 MLRS, this is the same type of M142 HIMARS only on a caterpillar track, carrying 12 M-30 missiles on a gun carriage (or 2 tactical ballistic M-48 missiles each).

In this whole story, the only good thing is that the non-brothers will be able to threaten Sevastopol and the Kerch Bridge only with a division (12 pieces) M142, assembled on a narrow section of the front near Zaporozhye, where we will cover them if something happens. Take my word for it, Putin especially for them keeps four RTOs of project 21631 "Buyan-M" with eight winged "Caliber-NK" on each in the mode of constant combat readiness in the base of the Black Sea Fleet, after a salvo of 32 cruise missiles of which in the suburbs of Zaporozhye there, I'm afraid , there will be no one to bury. There, a hole is simply formed in the planet with a depth of a 9-storey building. The time of the missile's approach to the target is 110 sec. Warhead weight - 450 kg. Believe me, no one will find it small!

Probably, this point should be discussed in more detail in order to remove the fears of couch strategists about the safety of our Crimean bridge and the Black Sea Fleet base. All this horror and panic in the network is solely from ignorance of the performance characteristics of enemy products. We have absolutely nothing to be afraid of these US "wunderwaffes" and our generals, unlike couch strategists, are well aware of this and sleep peacefully. And for the "dummies" I will explain on my fingers. The fact is that the American vaunted Himars and their caterpillar European counterparts are no better, and even worse than our legendary Iskanders. Conventional 227 mm MLRS adapted for firing tactical ballistic missiles. Those. multiple launch rocket system, brought to the level of OTRK (operational tactical missile system). Well done Americans! Unified product.

Only our 300-mm MLRS "Tornado-S" is no worse, and even more powerful in caliber than these vaunted "Khimars", and the Iskander OTRK, so they generally surpass them by two or three orders of magnitude. OTRK "Iskander" is generally the fear and horror of America, according to the Americans themselves, the complex is the most dangerous weapon of the RF Armed Forces at the moment, since it will have a longer firing range than HIMARS (moreover, by an order of magnitude - "Iskander-K" flies at distance up to 4 thousand km and this is not the limit!), and it can fire not only ballistic Iskander-M, but also cruise missiles Iskander-K (and in one salvo!).

Caterpillar or wheel drive and the number of missiles on a carriage are not even fundamental for us here. The number of missiles in a salvo is fundamental. After all, in order to break through the air defense of the Crimean bridge or the base of the Black Sea Fleet, you need a massive volley to defuse the air defense systems of the air defense system. At distances up to 70 km, the non-brothers achieved this using the Soviet Hurricanes and Tornadoes, after which the American high-precision Himarsy entered the business. And then how are they going to break through air defense? Himarsami themselves? Well, God bless you! The rocket is not cheap! The Americans themselves have just enough of them (I'm talking about the 300-kilometer ballistic M-48 now). By the way, the Yankees themselves do not have many M142 complexes at all - 363 pieces. in the Ground Forces and another 47 units. in the Marine Corps. Total - 410 pieces, of which 12 units. already transferred to Ukraine, of which 4 units. already destroyed by the RF Armed Forces. Work, brothers, we are waiting for your new deliveries! By the way, the Yankees also have only 270 caterpillar M1A225s, but there is only one problem - they don’t fit into the plane, they will have to be transported by sea, and this is a long time.

Therefore, the only hope of the non-brothers in order to break through the air defense of the Crimean bridge is to get close to it at a distance of less than 70 km, but who will give them that?! Dreaming is not bad! The Yankees are only working on increasing the range of their jet artillery, until they reached the 150 km mark, and even then in prototypes (our experienced Tornado-S already fly 200 km). So, dear sofa patriots, sleep well - the non-brothers have nothing against Kostya Saprykin! The bridge will stand. Base CHMF too.

“You have to look here and listen to what I say! It’s not interesting – the door is there!” (V.V. Putin)


5 months after the start of the SVO, you begin to relate to Putin's words in a completely different way. Most interested people in the West, not to mention Ukraine, now hung on his every word. Did he say that “if a fight is inevitable, then you have to hit first”? Didn't believe? Now get out and don't say you weren't warned! Did he say that “now each subsequent proposal will be worse than the previous one”? Didn't believe? We look at Ukraine - we are not surprised! In March, she turned her nose, not agreeing to a neutral status and borders within the Lugansk and Donetsk regions, now she risks first drawing borders along the Dnieper, and if she does not agree, then along the Bug, i.e. virtually disappear from the political map of the world. And who now doubts that it will be so? Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, for example, recently said that the era of Western dominance is over. Well, why do they all get smarter only when they retire?

But Putin warned that “if you stick your head in, you will face consequences that you have never encountered before in your history”? Anyone willing to check? "Poseidon" has already taken up combat duty, how the "Daggers" work, all interested persons in the Pentagon have already seen - there is no escape from them (from the word "absolutely")! Who is the first in line to hell? USA? The Yankees asked not to borrow? Do the Poles want to skip the line? Well, well, we can arrange.

Putin's last words that "Russia, in fact, has not yet begun anything" made many think - what would that mean? How here over Europe there was an unprecedented heat. Even in Foggy Albion, the thermometer jumps over 42 * C. The trouble is simple! And the price of electricity was equal to the price of gold (it also could not have done without Putin, and there is no need to tell me that it was just gold that fell in price). It’s just that Grandma Zhara works for Putin, passing through Bortnikov’s department (who doesn’t know, this is the director of the FSB). I can’t even predict what will happen in the winter, given that Santa Claus is on Shoigu’s allowance, and on the general’s salary (though only in the autumn-winter period). And winter is just around the corner. And the gas in European storage facilities is still only half. Therefore, I hope that by February everything will be over with Ukraine. Both literally and figuratively.

That's all for me, the report is over. To all those concerned about Putin's health in the West, I promise that he will still catch a cold at Biden's funeral. But he will recover quickly. Because there is no time to get sick, he still has a lot to do. After all, after the wife of the Kyiv clown arrived at the White House, Biden caught covid-19, what a bad luck, politicians are unlucky with these Zelenskys, the Erdogan couple also caught covid-19 after a trip to Kyiv, now Biden. And grandfather is old, God forbid! While Putin, according to CIA director William Burns, is “even too healthy” for his age. The Yankees have no luck with our president. They envy his health, without even hiding it. Remember, Biden suggested at the meeting of the G-XNUMX to measure their torsos with him, Putin then still laughed - the spectacle, of course, is not for the faint of heart, given the athletic uniform of the members of this closed club. Johnson and offended sausage Scholz are naked to the waist - brr! I'm not even talking about Grandpa Joe or Ursula von Leyen. Well, let's not talk about sad things.

All peace and goodness. Your Mr X.
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  1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 July 2022 11: 45
    -6
    The Kerch Bridge and the base of the Black Sea Fleet are important, but strategically they are of no importance.

    And with the author’s statement that ours will smear the Armed Forces of Ukraine only by February 2023, I categorically disagree.
    According to my forecast, made at the end of April, the organized resistance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be finished before winter. That is, until 1.12.22/XNUMX/XNUMX.
    Some don't believe. In vain.
    1. Yuri V.A Offline Yuri V.A
      Yuri V.A (Yuri) 24 July 2022 13: 29
      +3
      Good prediction, just bet? By the way, the nickname "analyst" from what word?
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 July 2022 13: 52
        -3
        I will not put anything on the line, because I am not a player.
        But you will be able to write to me completely free of charge and without any risk to your pride later that I was mistaken and the victory was not 30.11.22/2.12.22/XNUMX, but XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX. Because you are just Yuri, not from any word.
        1. Yuri V.A Offline Yuri V.A
          Yuri V.A (Yuri) 24 July 2022 14: 30
          +1
          Specify then - with the organized resistance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine before the winter will be finished in what territory?
          1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 July 2022 15: 35
            -1
            throughout the former Ukraine.
            1. Yuri V.A Offline Yuri V.A
              Yuri V.A (Yuri) 24 July 2022 16: 19
              +2
              So that there are no rotten crackers, the cessation of resistance to the Armed Forces of Ukraine due to the end of hostilities due to the goodwill of the Russian Federation is not accepted, only for the complete defeat
              1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 July 2022 16: 47
                -2
                About the complete defeat of the conversation.
                Pro is accepted ... How people like to put themselves in the role of a judge))).
                1. Yuri V.A Offline Yuri V.A
                  Yuri V.A (Yuri) 25 July 2022 02: 00
                  -1
                  If the predictor sees a judge in everyone, this already raises doubts about his abilities.
                  1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 25 July 2022 06: 11
                    +1
                    The predictor doesn't care about everyone's doubts. It's just that the conversation with me is conducted as if I'm proving something to someone. This is not true.
                    All yours - "put on the line, check then so that there are no rotten cuts" - superfluous words. Curiosity is one thing, but the desire to create a controlling environment is quite another.
                    "Everyone" likes to amuse their sense of self-importance - by pointing at the mistakes of a conditional "predictor". At the same time, "everyone" will not say anything sensible. At best, it will repeat someone else's opinions.
                    1. Yuri V.A Offline Yuri V.A
                      Yuri V.A (Yuri) 25 July 2022 13: 26
                      +1
                      You should be silent about "feelings of self-importance", when this importance, like from a pompous turkey, rushes from almost every phrase - "I said this back in April", "many do not believe me, but in vain." Let's wait for winter, but for now frolic
                      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 25 July 2022 19: 43
                        +1
                        Thanks for permission. I am aware that the word "irony" is unknown to you.
                        You are in control - and this is very serious.
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    2. gene1 Offline gene1
      gene1 (Gennady) 25 July 2022 10: 34
      0
      The Armed Forces of Ukraine can resist for years with the support of the West of Ukraine. "Smeared" is the cessation of resistance to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, due to the entry of peacekeepers. The Armed Forces of Ukraine become illegitimate.
    3. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 25 July 2022 15: 27
      -1
      When the German Nazis attacked the USSR, they thought they were safe. But already at night from 22 to 23 June, the planes of the Red Army bombed Berlin. This can happen with bridges. If someone decides to do it, then it will be done.
  2. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
    Krapilin (Victor) 24 July 2022 12: 00
    0
    In terms of reserves and resources, the Russian Federation cannot compete with the collective West.

    Author!
    Stock of what and what resources are we talking about?

    Stored by the collective west in some building / th. zone, etc. on the territory “inside Ukraine”, a military resource and a stockpile of many “millions of money” are destroyed by a couple of missiles at prices much lower than what is stored.
    And what about the competition?
    If Russia, like, “can’t do anything,” then why start the NWO?

    Plus, the generals GAZ and NEFT with Field Marshal FROST have not really entered the battle with the "European collective West" yet.
  3. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
    aslanxnumx (Aslan) 24 July 2022 12: 06
    +3
    The excuse that the Russian Armed Forces are fighting in small numbers does not make sense. The problem is in the planning leadership of the NWO. During the Second World War, the Red Army liberated from Elkhotov to Novorossiysk from January to September 1943.
  4. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
    Krapilin (Victor) 24 July 2022 12: 51
    +2
    “... I did not in vain remember the anecdote of Yuri Nikulin. Well, we won't do anything until we get the ass! Such is Russian nature. Even during the Second World War, the Russians surprised the Germans ... ".

    Author!
    Comparison in direct analogy of the Great Patriotic War with the current SVO is an anecdote.

    So to speak, for the "special for stupid": NWO is the liberation of the occupied Russian territories from the coming out Nazis with the task of MAXIMUMLY preserving the lives of civilians. And this means that the Nazi fortified area in the city or village is not being blown to dust, but is being blocked to squeeze the enemy "into the fields and onto the roads."
    Hence the pace. And not because they can't go faster, but because it's IMPOSSIBLE faster.
    Inside these fortified areas are OUR people.
    These Warsaw and Brussels will be disposed of FULLY into dust, along with the population that did not have time to escape ...
    1. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
      Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 24 July 2022 15: 38
      -1
      These "our" people shoot our guys in the back and knock on the SBU... unfortunately our people are not there. Everyone has been zigging for Shukhevych, Zelensky and other evil spirits for a long time ...
      1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
        Volkonsky (Vladimir) 24 July 2022 18: 09
        +5
        What are you, seas, crazy? half of our people are here!
      2. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
        rotkiv04 (Victor) 25 July 2022 10: 45
        0
        I think you are wrong, most of them were simply driven under the baseboard, remember what the Nazis did in the territories now liberated, the people there also endured silently clenching their teeth, and now they are going to vote in a referendum
  5. w.bersr1954 Offline w.bersr1954
    w.bersr1954 (Vasiliy) 24 July 2022 12: 53
    +6
    I recall the optimistic forecasts 2-3 months ago about the defeat of the fascist evil spirits and the collective West by the summer of this year. The predictions did not come true. During the period of the NMD, conditions were created for the qualitative rearmament of the Ukrainian army, the retraining of troops, i.e. precious time wasted, the West turned around. Everyone does not cease to admire the fact that we beat the enemy with smaller forces. Probably in some way yes. But we, as we were in Donetsk, are still receiving shelling on civilians, on the warehouses of our troops, etc. there. For half a year, the NWO results of our victories upset us citizens of Russia, let alone the inhabitants of Donbass, Luhansk region, Zaporozhye ... Some frisky comrades argue the thesis that the amers are coming to choose, and all of Ukraine, and the war is a complete end. ..Our affairs went very sadly, although the press service of the Ministry of Defense of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation daily reports that we are successfully crushing the enemy ... Sorry, friends, comrades, fellow readers, it was I who stated my opinion, and, in no case, no one wanted to offend.
    1. Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
      Colonel Kudasov (Boris) 24 July 2022 14: 05
      +5
      Your comment is very realistic. There is a strong feeling that the NWO is at an impasse. Most likely, military operations in the near future will resemble the "trench war" of the times of WWI
  6. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
    Krapilin (Victor) 24 July 2022 13: 03
    -3
    In this whole story, the only good thing is that the non-brothers will be able to threaten Sevastopol and the Kerch Bridge only with a division (12 pieces) M142, assembled on a narrow section of the front near Zaporozhye, where we will cover them if something happens.

    Author!

    You can also launch from a watercraft - for example, from a small dry cargo ship. The launcher - into an empty hold, the hold covers were raised and fire from neutral waters into calm sea at a distance of less than 40 km. or even closer to our territorial waters. And what about the narrow section of the front near Zaporozhye?!

    So, dear sofa patriots, sleep well - the non-brothers have nothing against Kostya Saprykin! The bridge will stand. Base CHMF too.

    Kostya Saprykin can and will resist, but they can shoot at Sevastopol and the Crimean bridge. And it is from the water, not land ...
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 24 July 2022 17: 46
      +3
      what the hell are you talking about? one launcher - one rocket! 12 launchers will not fit into your dry cargo ship, and it is easier to sink it - with one shot!
      1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
        k7k8 (vic) 24 July 2022 19: 56
        +1
        By the way, one wheeled launcher - 6 missiles, one tracked launcher - 12 missiles. Yes, this is exactly about HIMARS and MLRS. Do not confuse a launch container with a launcher.
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Vladimir) 25 July 2022 00: 07
          +1
          we are talking about the M-48, and not about the M-30 / M-31, these are different ammunition, the M-48 is not put on a gun carriage more than one (I explained everything in detail in the text)
          1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
            k7k8 (vic) 25 July 2022 09: 14
            +1
            Quote: Volkonsky
            we are talking about M-48, not about M-30 / M-31

            Do not pull the owl onto the globe.
            1. The main purpose of these systems is MLRS.
            2. The Americans do not even include OTP with a range of 300 km in the supply plan, not to mention the promising OTP with a range of 500 km. No need to lay bricks ahead of time.
            1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
              Volkonsky (Vladimir) 25 July 2022 10: 00
              0
              didn’t notice - there has been a discussion of the M142 attack on the Crimean bridge for a week now? and you participated in it! how can the M-30 reach it? did you read the title of the text? up to this point, you have never been seen in poor eyesight, all comments were quite on topic
      2. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
        Krapilin (Victor) 25 July 2022 11: 15
        0
        Volkonsky (Vladimir)
        what the hell are you talking about? one launcher - one rocket! 12 launchers will not fit into your dry cargo ship, and it is easier to sink it - with one shot!

        Dear Volkonsky (Vladimir)!

        What, the "car" will not fit into the hold of a dry cargo ship ?!
        And then drown it to your health, but they will have time to shoot from the hold ...
  7. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 July 2022 13: 04
    -1
    Quote from w.bersr1954
    For half a year of the NMD, the results of our victories upset us citizens of Russia, to say nothing about the residents of Donbass, the Luhansk region, Zaporozhye ...

    Not six months, but five months.
    We, the citizens of Russia, are saddened by the death and wounds of our servicemen in this war.
    Luhansk region - liberated. Some people didn't notice it.
    1. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
      aslanxnumx (Aslan) 24 July 2022 16: 56
      +3
      And they released a lot, as they fired, so they will fire. As for the rotation of officers, as from the beginning of the SVO, they are being dragged, there is no one to change, and there are problems with the salary. The death of people is grieving, but those responsible for their death cannot be brought to justice. Incompetent planning and leadership in the NWO requires close analysis.
    2. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 24 July 2022 19: 59
      +2
      Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
      Not six months, but five months

      Do you see a big difference in this? I - no, as, for sure, the majority of those present here.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 25 July 2022 06: 17
        -3
        I see the difference. Whether it's big or not doesn't really matter.
        As well as the liberation of the Lugansk region. Some may think that this is a trifle. I do not think so.
        And the final - the results of the CBO do not upset me. The main thing is that it began and does not end, despite all the ahh-ohh-shouts and cries of alarmists and weak characters.

        And the majority is not an argument for me. From the word at all.
  8. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 July 2022 13: 09
    +2
    Quote from w.bersr1954
    And the "reporter" let's fix Peskov's hair. To be honest, a minute of a video with this character charges you with hatred for a year....

    Personally, I have other reasons for hatred. For example, I hate the supporters of the idea "Ukraine for Ukrainians".
    Ukraine was a multinational republic. As soon as the nationalists came to power, I began to advocate the destruction of this combination of bedlam and brothel.
  9. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
    Krapilin (Victor) 24 July 2022 13: 24
    0
    ... and we, after 5 months, are still trampling on the narrow and cramped Donbas theater of operations, having advanced deep into Ukrainian territory for a few tens, a maximum of a hundred kilometers. And we consider it a victory...

    Author!

    They don’t trample there - our guys lay down their lives there, trying as much as possible to cover the civilians with all their might.
    And "... and we ..." - who is this? Mister X, "trample keys"?

    What - the Lugansk province is not released? Mariupol not liberated? Kherson not taken? And so on.
    Is this not a victory?
    1. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
      aslanxnumx (Aslan) 24 July 2022 16: 59
      0
      Dear, you served in the army, and you were in the war.
    2. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 24 July 2022 17: 48
      +1
      it's you, uncle, trampling the keys, I'm at war, they shoot me every day!
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 25 July 2022 06: 25
        0
        Take care of yourself. Although I do not agree with some of your ideas, I do not wish you harm.
      2. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
        aslanxnumx (Aslan) 25 July 2022 09: 09
        -1
        Tell tales to another, probably on the cutting edge of the Internet for convenience. And there is no toilet.
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Vladimir) 25 July 2022 10: 06
          0
          come to visit me - do not forget the tent, because there are no glasses anymore, and the ceiling fell 2 months ago, and it was only hail that flew in, and where the iskander fell, the whole house disappeared along with the inhabitants (there was the SBU administration)
      3. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
        Krapilin (Victor) 25 July 2022 11: 18
        -1
        Volkonsky (Vladimir)
        it's you, uncle, trampling the keys, I'm at war, they shoot me every day!

        Dear Volkonsky (Vladimir)!

        What - a trench in the room, a dugout in the bathroom, and the wife from the kitchen "shoots" at the brain: "Why is the shelf not nailed on the balcony!"?
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Vladimir) 25 July 2022 21: 05
          +1
          I immediately see a sofa warrior who is howling Toko on TV and laptop! he doesn't know what air raid alerts are every half an hour! what is two months without water - too! what is it like when a rocket arrives and you are not there - and even more so! I have been at war since February 24, every day there are corpses! and when they can kill you Toko for being Putin-... didn’t you say, does your uncle know?! come to me and find out!
  10. Sancym Offline Sancym
    Sancym (Alexander ) 24 July 2022 13: 32
    -3
    How badly written, so aggressive aggressor "Mr. x" the author!
  11. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
    Krapilin (Victor) 24 July 2022 14: 43
    +2
    I will only say that by going for a preemptive strike, Russia did not derive any benefits for itself.

    Author!

    The preventive strike did not allow the ukroreich to break into Donetsk, into the depths of the territories of the DPR, LPR and Crimea.

    In the Russian Spring of 2014, there was such a preemptive strike in the Crimea, already preempting the Americans - and what, no benefits?
    1. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
      Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 24 July 2022 15: 44
      +1
      I agree with this. They did the right thing by hitting first. “I hit first then - it was necessary ..” V.S. Vysotsky
  12. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
    Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 24 July 2022 15: 49
    +3
    I agree that now ours has chosen the right tactics. We're just grinding zombified dill. But even in three years we won’t grind this ukrogovna .. indeed, we draw water from a broken boat ... we need to block channels and supply routes
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 24 July 2022 16: 53
      0
      But even in three years we won’t grind this ukrogovna ..

      Why such pessimism? They dreamed of an easy walk, but it did not work out - they went to the other extreme.
      I'm all comfortable here. I had no illusions about a quick victory, and now I don’t have to painfully part with them.
    2. aslanxnumx Offline aslanxnumx
      aslanxnumx (Aslan) 24 July 2022 16: 57
      +2
      Who will block, the fifth column
    3. Vova Zhelyabov Offline Vova Zhelyabov
      Vova Zhelyabov (Vova Zhelyabov) 24 July 2022 19: 16
      +1
      In the Kharkov region, after February 24, not a single fortified area of ​​the Armed Forces of Ukraine was created. Can't raise your head.
      1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
        Volkonsky (Vladimir) 25 July 2022 00: 10
        0
        Kharkov is a fortified area, they didn’t take it then and they won’t take it now, they will go around from three edges and squeeze it out
  13. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 24 July 2022 17: 08
    +1
    From well done. We have antileria ray and mass fire ray. Probably forgot, or did not read the book "In August of the forty-fourth" The kid reluctantly laid down one saboteur and famous spy. This can happen with a bridge, but with anything. A former tanker, during the war, on the Kursk Bulge said that he and the crew were lucky when the Tiger got out on them. While he was lowering his barrel to aim at them, and their barrel was already in this position, they banged their barrel and hit the Tiger's barrel. The tiger, apparently with a shell in the barrel, jerked so that it decomposed. Of course, they were awarded, not with medals, but with orders. The rest of the German tanks, seeing such an effect, did not understand what was happening and quietly disappeared. For the whole day, only one Tiger was killed. So it's all about which side the luck is on. And lucky are those who are ready for the start of the battle, and not by the time when they give the asshole. Lucky for both because no one was ready for either attack or defense.
  14. Vova Zhelyabov Offline Vova Zhelyabov
    Vova Zhelyabov (Vova Zhelyabov) 24 July 2022 17: 14
    0
    What does treading water mean? A head-on collision results in horrendous loss of life.
    1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
      Dart2027 24 July 2022 17: 49
      0
      Quote: Vova Zhelyabov
      A head-on collision results in horrendous loss of life.

      Some people dream about it.
      1. Vova Zhelyabov Offline Vova Zhelyabov
        Vova Zhelyabov (Vova Zhelyabov) 24 July 2022 19: 13
        0
        In Washington, they are subject to self-hypnosis.
  15. viktor goblin Offline viktor goblin
    viktor goblin (viktor goblin) 24 July 2022 17: 50
    -1
    Why are RF sites encrypted for I can't!? Log in - the problem is idiocy ..\ to put it mildly
  16. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 24 July 2022 17: 52
    0
    A lot has been written .., however, if the United States brought more powerful missiles, then everything that is written here is complete blah. For all the time 1 installation was destroyed. The rest are shooting. And where ... what missiles will they bring.
  17. viktor goblin Offline viktor goblin
    viktor goblin (viktor goblin) 24 July 2022 17: 57
    +3
    Explain to the World \ yourself \ all of us when everything will end? No worries - everything is according to plan! Stick your plan to yourself .... . Deeper.
    1. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
      syndicalist (Dimon) 25 July 2022 07: 24
      +2
      But it is a very comfortable position. You can justify everything, even the departure of their Crimea.
  18. InanRom Offline InanRom
    InanRom (Ivan) 24 July 2022 17: 58
    +2
    While the author fantasizes:
    Meanwhile:

    Lavrov announced Russia's readiness to resume negotiations with Ukraine
    Lavrov: Russia has no prejudices about resuming negotiations with Ukraine. According to RIA Novosti, the Russian Foreign Minister told reporters about this after negotiations with his Egyptian counterpart Sameh Shukri.
    According to him, our country has no prejudices about resuming negotiations with Ukraine on a wider range of issues.

    In the meantime:

    The Cabinet of Ministers of the Russian Federation has expanded the list of unfriendly countries and territories. It includes the Bahamas, as well as the islands of Guernsey and Man.

    probably everyone is wondering why there are the Bahamas, Guernsey and Maine, which few people will show on the map, but the most "friendly" in relation to Russia and the involvement of Great Britain in the conflict are still not on the list ?!
    1. InanRom Offline InanRom
      InanRom (Ivan) 24 July 2022 18: 28
      0
      Two simple facts) ... The minuses, apparently shaven))) it became a shame) or the servants of the oligarchs - supporters of "reconciliation" with the West and Khokhlobanderites)
    2. Vova Zhelyabov Offline Vova Zhelyabov
      Vova Zhelyabov (Vova Zhelyabov) 24 July 2022 19: 11
      0
      Lavrov deliberately stated that he would infuriate the State Department.
      1. InanRom Offline InanRom
        InanRom (Ivan) 24 July 2022 21: 30
        0
        not otherwise, as it was another Lavrov and another Russia:
        2006g.

        Speaking at a general political conference taking place in New York as part of the 61st session of the UN General Assembly, the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry said that Moscow's cooperation with the North Atlantic Alliance as a whole is very positive charactereven though there are disagreements.

        In May 2006, Lavrov made further cooperation with NATO directly dependent on the entry of Georgia and Ukraine into the alliance.

        2012g.

        Lavrov: NATO base in Ulyanovsk is in the interests of Russia. Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov explained that NATO will transport not only the so-called non-lethal, that is, non-military, cargo through the Vostochny airfield in Ulyanovsk. According to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, the planned creation of a base in Ulyanovsk for the transfer of various NATO cargo from Afghanistan meets Russian interests.

        Sergey Lavrov: Russia and NATO are aimed at strengthening common security. Russia decided that it is better to "talk" with NATO than to refuse discussions. Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov met with colleagues at the Russia-NATO Council in Brussels in an informal setting - during a working lunch.

        "friendship" began with the collapse of the Union and the acquisition of "independence" ...:

        December 1991 Russia joins the North Atlantic Cooperation Council, a program to improve the alliance's relations with countries outside the bloc.

        June 1994 Russia joins the Partnership for Peace program. Moscow is sending a peacekeeping contingent under NATO auspices to the Western Balkans.

        May 1997 The Russia-NATO Founding Act, which became the official basis for bilateral relations, was signed in Paris. The document provided for meetings, the establishment of a permanent Russian mission to the alliance in Brussels, as well as an information bureau and a NATO military liaison mission in Moscow. The document stated that the alliance undertakes not to deploy troops near the borders of Russia on a permanent basis.

        March 1998 A diplomatic mission of Russia to NATO was established.

        March 2000 Acting President Vladimir Putin, in an interview with the BBC, says he does not rule out the possibility of Russia joining NATO.

        2002 The peak of bilateral relations. The signing of the Rome Declaration "Russia-NATO Relations: A New Quality", according to which the Russia-NATO Council is being created in May of this year. The tasks of the council are to agree and develop joint positions on key issues in the future translation of relations between Russia and the alliance to a higher level with full membership potential.

        etc.

        membership....
        wondering if anyone was pissed off by all this?!
        oh, yes ... someone was once again deceived ... and the Russian army and the inhabitants of Donbass are now disentangling the consequences of someone's "friendship" and "self-deception".

        Russia has only two allies - the people and the army. And politicians and officials are only capable of double-mindedness, chameleonism and betrayal...

        ps and this is the same (or another?) Rogozin:

        Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian government Dmitry Rogozin, who oversees issues of the military-industrial complex, called the protests against the construction of a NATO transit point in Ulyanovsk provocations and stupidity. Consider this an official statement," he wrote on his microblog on Twitter. "There is no NATO base in Ulyanovsk. No, it never was and never will be. Someone staged a provocation and pushed naive people to stupidity," Rogozin wrote , who, prior to his appointment to the post of Deputy Prime Minister, was the Permanent Representative of Russia to NATO.

        blessed are the believers...
    3. Dingo Offline Dingo
      Dingo (Victor) 25 July 2022 10: 34
      -1
      Have you lost your mind? THERE real estate, wives, mistresses, children, bills...

    4. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 25 July 2022 10: 56
      -1
      And there the money lies and the kids hang out laughing
  19. viktor goblin Offline viktor goblin
    viktor goblin (viktor goblin) 24 July 2022 18: 15
    +2
    In short - terpils - until they hit the towers - reactions are ZERO! Shame on Russia. Eh ....
  20. Pat Rick Offline Pat Rick
    Pat Rick 24 July 2022 21: 27
    +1
    and they put the entire cassette of six missiles into this car. Who else has questions about KVO "Khimars"? GOS (homing head), of course, is aimed at heat, but you still had to get into the car!

    Aleksey Leonkov, a military observer and editor of Arsenal of the Fatherland magazine, explained to aif.ru. - American systems - they are very peculiar, target coordinates are embedded in each missile, You won't master this weapon quickly. And for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the time factor now seems to be decisive.

    The author of the GOS, of course, is induced to heat.
    And with Leonkov, the coordinates of the target are laid in each missile.
    And for some reason I am more inclined to believe Leonkov.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 25 July 2022 00: 16
      +1
      Leonkov is right! the author mistakenly decided that the M-30 is aimed at the finish line through the GOS, this is not true, according to GPS on the target
  21. shinobi Offline shinobi
    shinobi (Yuri) 25 July 2022 07: 24
    +1
    Superiority (quantitatively) in manpower in a modern war is of little importance if the enemy has a qualitative superiority in firepower and training. For some reason, all couch strategists-analysts for some reason completely forgot about the 6-day Arab-Israeli war. The Arabs outnumbered the Israelis quantitatively in everything. Did it help? No. The experience of that war lies in all our military textbooks on the tactics of maneuvering combat. And the SVO, this is not a police action of the 1st Chechen type. When our army really undertakes to fight, the tasks assigned to it are carried out. In the winter, Shoigu is really going to grind as many ideological Nazis as possible, so as not to simply catch them later all over the bad Nenka one by one. Why until winter? But because most likely Ze & K ° will not make it to winter. politics, if he is alive at all. And our forces are being consolidated exactly where it was expected by many specialists back in March, in the most advantageous positions for us. The question arises whether NATO will send its troops to Ukraine or not. If not (which is most likely), then everything. The war is won. .And World War 404 will move from the category of "cold" to the hot phase. If someone thinks that the "cold war" ended with the USSR, let him not think so.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 25 July 2022 10: 10
      +1
      interesting thoughts, I added, I will answer in the next text, in principle I agree, but there are doubts about the timing
      1. shinobi Offline shinobi
        shinobi (Yuri) 25 July 2022 13: 12
        0
        Let's wait and see. In general, I focus more on Western military retirees than on our local couch strategists. With their retirement, their eyes open sharply and their mind brightens. And they, for the most part, talk about What about winter, if NATO does not directly intervene, everything will end. Let's see
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Vladimir) 25 July 2022 21: 17
          0
          Are you listening to Scott Ritter? I'm just crazy about him! burns with napalm not like a child!
          1. shinobi Offline shinobi
            shinobi (Yuri) 26 July 2022 01: 59
            0
            Not only him, but Ritter is like a cut of their opinions
  22. w.bersr1954 Offline w.bersr1954
    w.bersr1954 (Vasiliy) 25 July 2022 08: 23
    0
    Russia has only two allies - the people and the army. And politicians and officials are only capable of double-mindedness, chameleon and betray ... what do they care about the people. In fact, this statement of a respected reader is true ... As long as the KREMLIN is an independent territory from its people, until the people themselves are the power (Putin: the people are the power, that is, we say one thing (brazenly we lie to the people in the face), but we are doing something else.) - there is no need to wait for any victories, breakthroughs in the name of the people. Capitalism in Russia is the worst thing that has happened to the country, and it was our capitalists who brought their people to their knees, taking away their power, means of production, and the meaning of life. To be honest, we are heading for the abyss. The people will return to power and, believe me, the people will still have to look for these same capitalists - where did they go "beloved". This is the hatred of our people for our capitalists. Yes, but for fools today the thesis is being rolled that Russia has exhausted the limit of revolutions ... There are no limits on the return of the power of the people to government ... as they say, no need for Moldovan songs ... The situation is already ready to explode ... Ukrainian the people are ready to return to a new union state, only they have ghouls in power more abruptly than ours, why do they need the power of the people, these ghouls sold their mother for the sweet murmur in their stomach ... There is only one way out - to unite to the Slav brothers ... Here is such a sad story ... But the end will justify the means ... Yeltsin shot our government and did not answer before the court, only crawled drunk on his knees, like, I apologize to the Russians. He pleaded guilty, why they didn’t put him on trial, so no, the current rulers built temples for him and maintain them with our money ... Where is the truth, brother ... probably that Russia has exhausted the limits for the execution of traitors to the Motherland, for the legal attraction of this scum to criminal liability. This is the truth, brother!
    1. k7k8 Offline k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 25 July 2022 09: 23
      +1
      Quote from w.bersr1954
      Russia has only two allies - the people and the army

      As soon as this quote supposedly by Alexander III was not misrepresented!
  23. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 25 July 2022 08: 30
    +1
    Quote from w.bersr1954
    And politicians and officials are only capable of double-mindedness, chameleon and betray ... what do they care about the people.

    That is, politicians and officials are not the people? Who else should be excluded from the "people"?
    Are criminals a people or not? The fifth column is the people or not?
    Police? Entrepreneurs? Businessmen? Homeless people? Drunkards and drug addicts?
    We will not touch fools - this is definitely the people.
    1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
      Michael L. 25 July 2022 09: 12
      0
      The people are the working people, and the castes are above the people!
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 25 July 2022 10: 23
        0
        Officials and politicians - do not work?
        1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
          Michael L. 25 July 2022 15: 13
          0
          Managers and performers - "these are two big differences"!
          1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 25 July 2022 19: 47
            0
            So who doesn't work? Managers or performers?
            1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
              Michael L. 25 July 2022 20: 42
              -1
              "It doesn't work": Expert_Analyst_Predictor - because he asks stupid questions, despite the fact that he is not able to install a spell checker! ;-(
              1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 26 July 2022 05: 21
                0
                It's clear. There are no arguments, he began to get personal. The usual story.
    2. w.bersr1954 Offline w.bersr1954
      w.bersr1954 (Vasiliy) 25 July 2022 09: 27
      0
      Here you are disguising all the crooks as the people, what you are asking, who are they, do not be offended, you are in extreme error. If you answer more cheerfully - officials, businessmen, etc. - this is the complete opposite of the people, this is the antipode of the people !!!
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 25 July 2022 10: 28
        0
        So what's the criterion? Juliet? Or are you judging by income? I see more than one hundred working thieves. But they, as I understand it, are people. Thievish, drunk, but the people.
      2. k7k8 Offline k7k8
        k7k8 (vic) 25 July 2022 12: 14
        +1
        Quote from w.bersr1954
        Here you are disguising all the crooks under the people ...
        ... officials, businessmen, etc. are the complete opposite of the people

        Your son/daughter has started his own business. Is he a people?
        Or more. I was in the hospital with a man. He beat himself in the chest with his heel and proved that he had not stolen a nail from work for 40 years. I asked him a question: "Don't lie. Here you are - the carrier. You were dragging 2 canisters of fuel from work every week, drained from the tank. And after that you did not steal?" His answer could have knocked down an elephant: "I did not steal. I - BRAL!" And now the question to you: "Is this man - the people?"
  24. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 25 July 2022 12: 34
    +3
    The people, in my opinion, is a binding to the area, the country.
    It's just that the people are an invention of demagogues.
    That is, everyone, absolutely everyone living in Russia is the people of Russia. A doctor, a thief, a worker, an official - these are all our people. Different in income, education, outlook on life - all these are the people of Russia.
    And dividing us into factions is beneficial to our enemies. Divide and conquer - the old way.
    This is where the articles come from that our soldiers are all heroes, and the generals are half-educated and upstarts. Or workers - entirely honest and hardworking, and businessmen - greedy and dishonorable.
    Personally, I always remember that even if politicians are stupid and lazy, these are our politicians. They were born and raised in our country. We don't have politicians who were sent from another country or from the other side of the galaxy.
    1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
      Michael L. 25 July 2022 15: 18
      -1
      There is a "people", and there is a "nation" - a set of estates and castes of which the "people" consists.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 25 July 2022 19: 38
        0
        Nation (from lat. natio "tribe, people") - in the political sense, this is the totality of citizens of a particular state; in the cultural and ethnic sense, the term "nation" is synonymous with the concept of "people"; historically established politically independent community equitable and full individuals (citizens)

        A nation is a community of people formed on the basis of a combination of common features such as language, history, ethnicity, culture and/or territory.

        Inventing new meanings for common terms is not good. Either you are illiterate or you are trying to cheat.
        1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
          Michael L. 25 July 2022 20: 35
          -2
          Quote from Wikipedia - does not refute my statement.
          Accordingly: insulting accusations are demagogy.
          I'm waiting for a "refuting" quote of the term "demagogy" from the same source! ;-(
  25. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 31 July 2022 09: 13
    0
    But it is easily accessible to attack drones. The headquarters has already been shelled. We need less demagogy, and learn to shoot down, and destroy installations, which is also almost impossible so far.