The project of the wide-body aircraft CR929 was called into question

July 1 2022 15

Russia is reducing its share in the project for the production of the joint Russian-Chinese wide-body long-range aircraft CR929. This was announced by First Deputy Prime Minister Yury Borisov during the plenary session of the Engineers of the Future forum.

We have this project with China going, in principle, not in the direction that suits us. China, as it becomes an industrial giant, is less and less interested in our services ... The Chinese have more needs than we have today. Our involvement is getting smaller and smaller

Borisov noted.

Moscow and Beijing have been implementing this joint project since 2014. The United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) is involved in the development of the CR929 (in the name of the aircraft, the letter C stands for China, R stands for Russia) on the Russian side, and Craic, based in Shanghai, on the Chinese side. Specialists from the Russian Federation are responsible for the development of the wing console and its mechanization, as well as for the center section. Chinese engineers are working on the fuselage, fairing, horizontal and vertical tail.

It was previously assumed that the first deliveries of CR929 to customers will begin in 2026-2027, but the entire program is designed until 2045.

Meanwhile, according to the forecast of the US Department of Commerce, in a couple of years Russia will lose about half of foreign-made aircraft due to the analysis of the latter for spare parts. At the same time, such aircraft account for about two thirds of all passenger liners in the Russian Federation.

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1 July 2022 11: 44
CR-929 will also be imported from Western components.

Friction in the development team became known in September 2020, when the Asia Times reported that the project was stopped, and serious conflicts interfere with the normal work of Russian and Chinese engineers. The publication claimed that Russia was not going to transfer key technologies to the Celestial Empire and insisted on using the promising PD-35 engine as a power plant.
However, later both sides confirmed their interest in a joint project several times, it was reported about the purge of the aircraft wing at TsAGI and the start of manufacturing the first prototype in Shanghai. The sanctions imposed against Russian civil aviation with a ban on the supply of any Western equipment cast doubt on the feasibility of further work. The Russian side, apparently, failed to convince the Chinese side of the need to develop aircraft systems and engines on their own without the participation of Western partners.

The prospect for the next 6-7 years is developing in such a way that now foreign suppliers can still freely supply components for this project, but when the aircraft is ready for the start of mass production and commercial operation, deliveries may be prohibited. China, given its situation with Taiwan, just as Russia is now, may fall under sanctions, and the CR929 will be in a situation much worse than the Russian MS-21 or Superjet 100. It is likely that colossal funds will be spent on the joint aircraft project, which then they will just be thrown to the wind.

“The CR929 process is underway. But taking into account the new inputs, according to the restrictions that exist today in terms of cooperation, which was formed by Chinese partners with the involvement of Western manufacturers, this is now impossible, so you will have to spend time restructuring approaches using only Russian and Chinese manufacturers,” Manturov said. . He added that the reconfiguration of suppliers will be completed within this year.

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1. k7k8
  
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  2 July 2022 09: 05
  
  And it is mandatory to sculpt the entire article here instead of just posting a link to it. Or the more bukaff, the higher the heart rate?
Sergey Latyshev

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1 July 2022 13: 44

The Chinese have more needs than we have today. Our involvement is getting smaller and smaller

Could it be that we simply cannot fulfill our obligations? How about contracts with India (when the money was gone, but not enough was done)?
So we give up part of the work?

On VO and bloggers wrote about problems with composite wings, they say, they can hardly go ....
1. k7k8
  
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  2 July 2022 09: 07
  
  Quote: Sergey Latyshev
  On VO and bloggers wrote about problems with composite wings, they say, they can hardly go
  
  Well, VO and blochers know, of course, everything.
Velmi Shin

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1 July 2022 15: 00

Finally! All these international joint projects are weights on the path of their own development. It is clear that the Chinese first of all needed to figure out the secrets of aircraft engine building, then they almost immediately decided to install foreign engines, not to wait for the PD-35. Russia has its own wide-body aircraft, and it must be built and modernized without third-party participation. Personnel must be found. In the Russian Federation they like to hammer nails with a microscope. There are still good specialists in Russia, without them everything would have died out long ago. Seek and find!
1. Orange bigg
  
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  1 July 2022 17: 41
  
  Quote from Velmi Shin
  Finally! All these international joint projects are weights on the path of their own development. It is clear that the Chinese first of all needed to figure out the secrets of aircraft engine building, then they almost immediately decided to install foreign engines, not to wait for the PD-35. Russia has its own wide-body aircraft, and it must be built and modernized without third-party participation. Personnel must be found. In the Russian Federation they like to hammer nails with a microscope. There are still good specialists in Russia, without them everything would have died out long ago. Seek and find!
  
  Well, if Western components are replaced on the CR-929, then won’t the CR-929 become its own SFDMS? So on June 17, 2022, on the sidelines of the St. and possible restrictions on China due to Taiwan, the project of the Russian-Chinese wide-body aircraft CR929 will be revised and reformatted only for Russian and Chinese components.
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  1 July 2022 21: 20
  
  Personnel must be found.
  
  There is less and less time left for personnel and technology. I wouldn't be surprised if the US offers China a deal in 10 years. They give China full control of Taiwan, and China cuts off gray imports to Russia.
  You look so it will turn out that it will be easier for us to unleash the third world war and drop the world into the stone age in order to avoid the capture of the country.
  1. Orange bigg
    
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    1 July 2022 23: 26
    
    Quote: spectr
    Personnel must be found.
    
    There is less and less time left for personnel and technology. I wouldn't be surprised if the US offers China a deal in 10 years. They give China full control of Taiwan, and China cuts off gray imports to Russia.
    You look so it will turn out that it will be easier for us to unleash the third world war and drop the world into the stone age in order to avoid the capture of the country.
    
    However, what a fantasy you have.
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      2 July 2022 21: 53
      
      Fantasy only about the Stone Age. At the moment, the United States somehow put the squeeze on the Taiwanese and they began to build a factory for the production of microcircuits. I think 10 years should be enough for the eyes to build a factory and start production. If the United States secures its independence in this matter, it may well offer a deal to China.
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2 July 2022 09: 01

Our involvement is getting smaller and smaller

- well, abandon the project altogether, develop for yourself (RF), let the Chinese themselves saw for themselves (their market) if they don’t want to share their market .... from sticks and plywood, plus kits from the West, the supply of which may be limited and ban, then the Chinese will be forced to buy ... ross long-haul aircraft
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2 July 2022 12: 18

Quote: k7k8
And it is mandatory to sculpt the entire article here instead of just posting a link to it. Or the more bukaff, the higher the heart rate?

Do you have to snort out loud? Does it also increase your heart rate?
Pavel57

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2 July 2022 16: 30

So are we making a wing or not?
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  3 July 2022 08: 31
  Quote: Pavel57
  So are we making a wing or not?
  
  Yes. Everything in the picture is marked in white and blue is the part of the project for which Russia is responsible, everything that is marked in red is the part of the project for which China is responsible.
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    3 July 2022 21: 04
    
    We answer and do it in different ways. We also designed the cabin, we will not make it.
    Has the issue with the logistics of the wing been resolved? Where will it be produced?
Jacques sekavar

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11 July 2022 13: 39

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The speed limit should be observed all the way, and not just at the sight of the traffic police. Therefore, the traffic police should have the right to control the speed limit on any section of the route and without any signs warning about this.

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If the violation caused material consequences, remove the driver from driving the vehicle on the spot and send it to the inquiry department to qualify the violation and determine the punishment.
Refusal to test for alcohol should be clearly considered intoxication, with all the ensuing consequences.