CBO 115 days later. Analysis of the initial results of the operation


Today's material will be devoted to a review of sofa and certified analysts who, from the height of their sofas, are trying to analyze the successes and failures of the special military operation launched by the Russian Federation on February 24 this year. Naturally, I will also state my opinion, which sometimes may not coincide with the opinion of respected experts, but in some ways I am forced to agree with them. But these are the rules of the game, since none of us is privy to the true plans of the General Staff of the Russian Federation, so we can all judge everything that happens solely from the standpoint of formal logic, depending on the degree of proximity of our sofa to the place of active hostilities.


Cadmie


Let's start with Yakov Kedmi. This respected high-ranking officer of the Israeli service "Nativ" (retired), who has become the hero of our television screens in the last 8 years, previously distinguished by a very clear critical look at the events taking place in Ukraine, and predicting us a quick and easy victory over this stupid Kyiv regime, with eating hands with their Washington and London masters, with the beginning of the operation, he fell into a stupor and spoke very unflatteringly about our so-called "successes" of the first 5 days of the NWO, after which Solovyov, interviewing him, fell into a stupor and deep thoughtfulness. Yes, to be honest, and we all had reason to fall into thought when on the 4th day of the NWO, the Kremlin requested negotiations with this "gang of drug addicts and neo-Nazis." Why then was it necessary to start this operation, laying down the lives of our guys, making unprecedented forced marches on Kyiv (from the north) and Zaporozhye (from the south), with a helicopter landing near Gostomel, in order to mediocrely withdraw troops from Kyiv, Sumy and Chernihiv and sit down at the negotiating table with frank gopniks in tracksuits? Maria Zakharova and Nikolai Patrushev also added fuel to the fire, saying to the press that the goals of our operation were not to change the Kyiv political leadership. Here, all of us (and not just Yakov Kedmi) had to shrug our hands, but how then, my dears, are you going to carry out the denazification of Ukraine declared by Putin? Is it really the hands of the Nazis themselves? Well, well, you'll go far...

Such behavior of our experts is explained by a banal misunderstanding of the true plans of the Kremlin (and there, besides Kedmi, many asked similar questions, starting with Girkin and ending with the last non-commissioned couch analyst with a bottle of kefir and the Izvestia newspaper, sitting in an alcoholic T-shirt in his kitchen) . Now, after a while, the realization is coming of what exactly happened and what exactly the Kremlin was trying to achieve by abandoning our best guys and the best machinery across the Independent border. I do not insist on my version, but nothing smarter personally comes to my mind. You can agree with it or not, but I will give only reinforced concrete arguments that are difficult to argue with, and then decide for yourself what kind of plans the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation pursued.

115 days NWO


Starting at 5 a.m. Moscow time on February 24, 2022, its large-scale operation, which overnight changed the entire way of life familiar to all of us, the last thing the Kremlin wanted was to become a world outcast and realize the most rosy dreams of grandfather Joe, who periodically falls into dementia. No, the Kremlin wanted to carry out a blitzkrieg, an operation to intimidate the Kyiv regime and, using Russian bayonets, carry out a palace coup there, bringing to power instead of a pro-American clown clown, its pro-Russian government headed by Viktor Medvedchuk and Oleg Tsarev as the speaker of the Verkhovna Rada. The personalities here are of no particular importance, I name the first ones that came to mind, there could well have been others instead (although the fact that Medvedchuk, despite the opportunity, still did not leave the country, says a lot). The main thing here was that as a result of the palace coup, the country, once referred to as Ukraine, would change its protectorate from pro-American to pro-Russian, while maintaining its own statehood (which is important!), thereby leveling the military threat to Russia, which it created, and the world forced to accept this fact as a given. The key to this plan, apparently, was some secret agreements with some top officials of the SBU, both in Kyiv and in the field, but either there was another "terror" in the spirit of Mazepa, or the Americans beautifully beat us, substituting some kind of Trojan horse -something of his double agent. This version is supported by the Ukrainian side’s negotiator killed by the SBU at the subsequent negotiations in Gomel (I’m talking about Denis Kireev), and the brigadier general who escaped on the eve of the entry of our troops abroad, who heads the Main Directorate of Internal Security of the SBU from the summer of 2019 to July 2021 (I’m talking about "right hand" and "purse" of the head of the SBU Andrey Naumov Bokanov). By the way, the fact that Naumov subsequently surfaced in Serbia, where he was detained while trying to cross the North Macedonian border, speaks in favor of the fact that he is a Russian spy, and not a British one (otherwise he would have fled to another country!).

Another, albeit indirect, argument in favor of the palace coup is the fact that the equipment used by us at the 1st stage of the SVO was painted like a parade, even with St. George ribbons on board. We threw our best hardware into battle for the simple reason that we hoped to avoid combat as such. This is exactly what Yakov Kedmi could not understand - why we don’t bomb the infrastructure, why we don’t immerse the 404th in the cold and darkness, why we don’t destroy communication centers, bridges, power plants, ports and railways, why we don’t strike at the Verkhovna Rada, the Office President and other decision-making centers, why, finally, we do not smash the barracks, limiting ourselves to individual airfields, military facilities and fuel depots. So wars, from his point of view, are not waged! But the whole trouble is that we were not going to fight, we were going to carry out a palace coup on our bayonets and limit ourselves to this. Therefore, as undermined, they rushed to Kyiv, not having sufficient forces to take it by storm. We imitated only the threat of such. They wanted to take "to fright." It did not work out, although Zelensky and his curators did not do it childishly at first.

The first three days of NWO, if you remember, the world paused, everyone was waiting for how it would all end. Zelensky did not dry out and did not get out of the bunker. But it worked, not because, but in spite of. Not because the Kyiv regime turned out to be so strong, but because we didn't put enough pressure on it. Here it is exclusively our miscalculations (they regretted the adversaries). For me personally, the most revealing fact for such conclusions is our car with full dress uniform shot down by the Ukrainian DRG at the entrance to Kharkov know me). We were preparing for a parade, not for war.

There will be no kina, there will be dancing


But, nevertheless, what happened happened. The palace coup failed, and we had to adjust our plans during the operation, I hope we had them (both plan "A" and plan "B" if plan "A" fails, and plan "C" if both previous ones fail , and further down the list are the plans of YOKLMN, otherwise, why do we need the General Staff at all?). Plan "B" we are all with you, we are just observing at the moment, when, having regrouped forces and withdrawing them from Kyiv, Sumy and Chernigov, we have concentrated our main shock fist in the Donbass, where we are trying to realize our fire advantage and dominance in the air, slowly but surely grinding the most combat-ready personnel units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. At the same time, having reduced the front line, we, in fact, are limited to the same 120-strong group of troops, pulling up to the line of contact more and more old equipment (why the old one, I will explain below), removing it from storage depots, and increasing our advantage in the density of fire relative to our enemy is 10-20 times, and in terms of the amount of ammunition even 40 times (and this is according to the recognition of the American side, which I personally have no reason not to believe in this case).

The Soviet ammunition, which was available at the beginning of the SVO, is running out in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as well as the barrels themselves, the allies do not have time to supply their weapons "zoo", in inept hands it also breaks down and goes out of order, and there is nowhere and no one to repair, to carry to Not everyone travels to Poland or Bulgaria for a long time and back (VKS and RVA still work, albeit not as intensively as they would like), and NATO caliber ammunition is only enough for a couple of days of the war, and then again the personnel units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine become cannon meat for the Buryat armored horse-diving divisions of Putin. True, this time these are not armored divisions, but artillery and MLRS divisions, which iron Ukrainian positions from morning to evening, leveling them to the ground and multiplying their defenders by zero. The losses are such that all ukrospeakers have already howled about them. The American side cannot find 200 thousand ukrovoyaks who disappeared somewhere from the front. There are suspicions that they are no longer physically there, these are irreparable losses, equal in composition to the strength of all the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the time of the beginning of the NWO. While the Ukrainian side is already rounding up recruits in shops and metro stations, unable to close the gap, the villain Putin does not announce general mobilization, limiting himself to recruiting motivated contract volunteers and Wagner “musicians”. It is already clear how the 2nd stage of the NWO will end, how quickly, too, it is not clear where Putin's "musicians" will stop?

I will talk about this next time. There we will consider other, no less well-known experts, and think about what it is, and most importantly, when can it end?

With that, I say goodbye, your Mr. X.
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  1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 19 June 2022 19: 20
    +5
    CBO 115 days later. Analysis of the initial results of the operation

    - Well, what is there ... here ... here "to disassemble and discuss" - everything is so obvious that it is worth starting a controversy!
    - Russia continues to hope and wait - what the Americans (NATO) will "prompt" - how to be and what to do next !!! - What should our Armed Forces of the Russian Federation do ??? - Or continue to portray military operations and continue to imitate the WZO! - Or really harness yourself to a real military epic to destroy the Bandera regime in Ukraine !!!
    - For Ukraine, everything is much simpler now - it allegedly conducts defensive actions - such a deceitful and crafty tactic that worked 100%! - And while the whole world is on the side of Ukraine.
    What's next ??? - And then the slurred, timid and timid actions of Russia - all this can end very seriously for Russia itself !!! - Today, the most dangerous and terrible thing is indistinctness, fearfulness and fear - and the absence of specific tasks! - Today, Russia is even ready to fight with the entire "world NATO" - since everything will be concrete and purposeful there!!! - Even who will die there and who will survive - even this is not so scary - as a specific goal will be set and every effort will be made! - And in Ukraine - there is no specific definite goal (denazification and denationalization - such definitions are not clear to everyone; but it is clear that it is necessary to "finish off the Bandera beast in its own lair" by any means - this is understandable) and the necessary forces are not applied! - And this is the whole answer!
    - And Russia is very, very much at risk that this is how it "plays for time" and "plays the du_ra_ka" - time is just working against Russia!
    - If the problem is not solved (or it is not started to be solved in the proper radical way); then everything will be much more difficult and dangerous for Russia !!!
  2. Yuri Bryanskiy Offline Yuri Bryanskiy
    Yuri Bryanskiy (Yuri Bryansky) 19 June 2022 20: 03
    +10
    Everyone has been clear for a long time. I was alerted by the words at the SPIEF that we do not apply .... . Only complete denazification and .... . But the main enemy is not the West, but ours ... who are ready to sell Mother Russia not for 30, but for 1 piece of silver. I believe Russia will win.
  3. svit55 Offline svit55
    svit55 (Sergey Valentinovich) 19 June 2022 20: 11
    +16
    The most important conclusion, in my opinion, is the complete failure of our intelligence. Lack of knowledge of the military-political situation, the attitude of the population 404 to the military threat, the dense penetration of "Nazis" into the Armed Forces of Ukraine and vice versa, led to the fact that "we went to the parade." Intelligence did not report the main storage sites for power supplies and fuels and lubricants, they knew something from Soviet bases and that's it. Intelligence does not know how weapons are delivered across the border. They don't have sleeper agents?
    OR, military leaders don't give a damn about intelligence data. But you can't fight like that.
    1. Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
      Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 19 June 2022 23: 37
      +3
      And I got the impression that until the fall of 2021, no one even thought of fighting. The troops of the republics of Donbass were weakly armed and not ready for war. Intelligence - either it was not there, or it was dozing. It is possible that they were misled. The attitude of the population (especially the center and the west) was completely predictable. The brains had already been largely washed. When attacked by Russia, it is an enemy, and the Motherland must be defended. With a composition of 120-160 thousand troops, you definitely cannot conquer Ukraine simply by virtue of geography. She's not small. If you think in hindsight, then in reality with such an army it was possible to conduct military operations along the line Kharkov - Nikolaev with the formation of a large cauldron. Then Kharkov would be ours with all the ensuing advantages. And now the swamp. A long war with unclear results is not ruled out.
  4. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 19 June 2022 21: 37
    +1
    in the last days we hear

    - the call of the commander-in-chief of Britain to the soldiers to be ready to fight with Russia in the third world
    - Poland's threat to shoot down air targets over Ukraine
    - and now the President of Poland Duda says - "in the near future there will be no more borders between Ukraine and Poland"
    - Stoltenberg again "the war can last for years"

    what does all this say? It looks more like another attempt to force Russia to change its tactics, to try to quickly occupy the territory. Obviously, Russia is simply disposing of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and a mass of weapons, forcing the enemy to fill the front line with more and more new forces, when, like the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, they do not seek to get involved in large-scale close battles and therefore lose little.

    Cheap theater, designed to "scare" Russia, which, in their opinion, is very afraid of war. But they didn't count everything. The time when Western societies could still approve of a war with Russia has already passed, even in Britain the people are far from this idea. In the US, even more so, not to mention the old Europe. Ukraine and this whole conflict are already perceived quite differently. Poland alone will perform like Don Quixote? Even Duda apparently did not take into account the perception of Poland in Ukraine. Especially now, when Poland has canceled benefits for refugees and is trapping Ukrainians on its territory to be sent to the front. The entry of Polish forces may cause a more "sharp" reaction in Ukraine than the reaction to Russia's NWO. But they all know this, so all these statements are more like "take a chance" of the Russian Federation, cause alarm and force the creation of reserves for a possible antagonism with NATO. It just doesn't smell like real danger.

    If, for example, Medvedev now said that "In the event of Poland's invasion of Ukraine, those parts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that want to defend their country from Polish invaders can go over to the side of the RF Armed Forces in full force." Against the backdrop of Polish maneuvers, fraternization with the Armed Forces of Ukraine is quite real, and this can already be allowed into the information space.
    1. Chukchi farm worker (Chukchi farm worker) 20 June 2022 08: 49
      -1
      A very interesting thought. Everyone is tired of this Ukraine. The EU and the US themselves would probably strangle it, so they are waiting for Russia to do it. But for some reason Russia is in no hurry.
  5. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 19 June 2022 22: 45
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    And, the author shines so much with visits to everyone and everything that it is not easy to get through it.
    Confusing and pointless.

    It would be logical to just lay out the average speed of progress by day and compare. or something similar - losses, funnels, tons of ammunition ..
    1. Tourist Offline Tourist
      Tourist (tourist) 19 June 2022 23: 15
      +3
      compared to his previous articles, there is quite a sound grain about our plan and its failure. and then we have what we have.
    2. Chukchi farm worker (Chukchi farm worker) 20 June 2022 08: 43
      +2
      As usual, nothing. But bilious, with resentment in a feminine way.
  6. Mks7 Offline Mks7
    Mks7 (Maksim) 19 June 2022 23: 18
    -3
    Well, there is no reason to disagree with Mr. X on the so-called first stage. The intrigue is what will happen after the fall of Kramatorsk and Slavyansk. This will probably happen by the beginning of autumn.
    A front for thousands of kilometers, which is quite difficult to keep, constantly counterattacking forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in front of fortified areas and fortress cities, behind the ruins of captured cities and towns with hundreds of thousands of destitute, lost loved ones, angry people.
    So, what is next? Most likely, positional battles until the end of the year and reaching a compromise agreement such as neither peace nor war. Further it is difficult to say, probably already future generations will rake. Most likely further the main confrontation will be in the economy. For Ukraine, they are implementing the Marshall Plan, and will quickly introduce it into the EU. Here the West will try to visually show the difference between the zones of control, for example, between Kherson and Odessa.
    It is unlikely, but perhaps the Kremlin will increase the grouping and try to take Kharkiv, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev and Ochakov at the next stage, maybe even manage to take something. Odessa will not be given to Moscow no matter what the cost. In general, the Ukrainian company will not be victorious for Moscow.
    1. Chukchi farm worker (Chukchi farm worker) 20 June 2022 09: 08
      -1
      Another crazy Ukrainian. Rejoice that you are not sitting in a trench or a cache, but in the warmth write here about "the fate of Ukraine" making ridiculous conclusions and making stupid forecasts.
    2. Chervony Biker Offline Chervony Biker
      Chervony Biker (Red Biker) 21 June 2022 15: 16
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      ... Odessa will NOT be left to Ukraine, no matter what the cost. And in general, and in general, the anti-Russian campaign, decommunization and even attempts to crawl into Europe will end for Ukraine
      K A T A S T R O F O Y
  7. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
    Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 19 June 2022 23: 34
    +1
    As a certified sofa expert, under ".. a bottle of kefir and half a loaf .." from the kitchen, I inform you that Mr. X is right. yes
  8. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
    Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 19 June 2022 23: 37
    +4
    Guys, that is, the true plan of the Kremlin landed in the basket! Everything along the way had to be redone, losing people and so on ... intelligence failed, Patrushev was driven with a filthy broom!
  9. 1_2 Offline 1_2
    1_2 (Ducks are flying) 20 June 2022 01: 04
    -3
    The palace coup failed, and we had to adjust our plans in the course of the operation.

    they themselves came up with this fi g nu with a coup and believed in it))

    I doubt that you can arrange a coup where the CIA occupies the entire floor of the SBU, where NATO mercenaries control the entire city, all the mountains of service, etc. so all this is nonsense.
    and they landed at the airfield, most likely to distract and hide the main blow (strikes), so that Bandera would keep their large group in Kyiv
    1. Chukchi farm worker (Chukchi farm worker) 20 June 2022 09: 01
      0
      Yes, there were no plans for palace coups. Brad is. And there was no underestimation of loyalty. Even Russian inhabitants can see (let alone analysts) that at least half of the Ukrainian population has been poisoned by propaganda and banderized. And the other half is actually occupied by Ukraine and is very cautious in its support. But this does not mean that there are few people who support the liberation of Ukraine. They exist and will still play their role when Russian troops enter their villages. It is they who will catch the Ukrainian terrorists and bandits in the caches. It is from them that squads and local law enforcement agencies will be created. As it happens in the liberated territories now. As for the conclusions of the author. They are undeniably absurd and untrue. Everything is piled up. However, it is hardly worth blaming the author for misunderstanding. He's not the only one who doesn't understand what's going on. Therefore, it may be too early to draw conclusions. It is too early. The main thing is that later it was not too late.
      1. Valera75 Offline Valera75
        Valera75 (Valery) 20 June 2022 18: 05
        +1
        that at least half of the Ukrainian population was poisoned by propaganda and banderized. And the other half is actually occupied by Ukraine and is very cautious in its support.

        there are even many in the Donbass who do not support ours, but our military correspondents and TV try not to talk about this. A friend of his friend had a son who died in Ukraine, and when his relatives were talking to the ensign who accompanied the coffin, he said that the locals, that the adults that the hat would come up to you smiling, take the dry ration from your hands and then walk away, taking out a mobile phone, make a stupid call (maybe the street will say quickly in words) and dumps from this place, the APU will track the call on the BES and beat in 3-5 minutes at this place. So when the Donbass returns to Russia, I don’t even doubt it, they will have to catch such assistants there, I think, not for a single year. And the closer to the west, the more there will be such shpendiks and adults ready to help their Armed Forces
  10. Observer2014 Offline Observer2014
    Observer2014 20 June 2022 01: 10
    +2
    CBO 115 days later. Analysis of the initial results of the operation

    Well, that's for sure. Something went wrong. It was visible to unarmed eyes. Even in the trembling voice of Igor Evgenievich Konashenkov. the first month of the NWO. At press conferences. What was what was yes
    What was the exact reason, I don’t know and don’t go into details. But something went wrong. And this is due to planning. And above all with analytics, the years preceding the SVO. hi
    1. Valera75 Offline Valera75
      Valera75 (Valery) 20 June 2022 18: 11
      +1
      What was the exact reason, I don’t know and don’t go into details. But something went wrong. And this is due to planning. And above all with analytics, the years preceding the SVO

      Well, the fact that the commander of the NMD was changed to the one who commanded in Syria also indicates that they wanted to do it all faster, but then they had to move away from this idea. Purely my opinion on everything that happened.
  11. Alexzn Offline Alexzn
    Alexzn (Alexander) 20 June 2022 08: 17
    -1
    Sea-beach-station...
    There are goals, resources, results. More precisely, goals and results have disappeared from this chain, only resources remain that go into a bottomless barrel with the prospect of growing after the war. It will be necessary to restore everything occupied and create transport networks to the Crimea.
    Russia will grind the south-east of Ukraine - there is no doubt, but at what cost. According to the results, today there are reasonable doubts about the reasonableness of the "operation" being carried out.
    1. Chukchi farm worker (Chukchi farm worker) 20 June 2022 09: 04
      +1
      What was the rationale behind the Jewish attacks on Lebanon? What was the wisdom behind the destruction of Iraq, Syria, Libya?
      The war is on, and so that everything is not in vain. You have to bring it to victory. Our Russian victory.
  12. Vlad Petrov Offline Vlad Petrov
    Vlad Petrov (Vladimir) 20 June 2022 08: 58
    -1
    200 th. How it all ends. It remains to wish the dill, let's continue forward, led by the caudle from the clown Ze.
  13. Michael Offline Michael
    Michael (Micah) 20 June 2022 09: 56
    -3
    Nonsense
  14. gene1 Offline gene1
    gene1 (Gennady) 20 June 2022 10: 22
    -1
    I think there will be positional battles, the front will freeze, we will not take cities. Bet on the collapse of the Ukrainian economy.
    CHAOS: from banal theft to raider seizures, extortion, hostages, torture, terror, rampant gangs, both street and regional, ... with the use of weapons and heavy weapons, incl. All this will last two years. Apogee, probably in November-December 2023. Khokhols hate zahystnyks more and more. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation slowly and carefully surround the villages and small towns, which surrender almost without a fight. Frightened, the West introduces an initiative to the UN Security Council to bring in peacekeepers, ours will unexpectedly support. And even in the UN Security Council, not everyone will have time to give up, as will the second Pristina throw of our blue helmets on the westernmost regions of Ukraine. It remains only to slowly squeeze the Nazis into the West. Something like this.
  15. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 20 June 2022 11: 33
    +1
    is devoted to an overview of sofa and certified analysts who, from the height of their sofas, are trying to analyze the successes and failures of a special military operation,

    And most of the couch experts served without lying on the couch. And not sofas, let them prove their position by deeds. Then couch experts will not be needed and there will be no place for flattery. And since they are fighting now, this is the level of Motorola and Givi. And then I doubt that having such weapons, they would not have been able to liberate their republics for 115 days.
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  17. k7k8 Online k7k8
    k7k8 (vic) 20 June 2022 15: 31
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    An unpleasant and disturbing addition to the analysis
    Marine sabotage: Ukraine struck at the Crimean drilling rigs of Chornomorneftegaz

    https://www.crimea.kp.ru/daily/70.5/4605168/
  18. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 20 June 2022 15: 50
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    unfortunately, the failure of the first plan A .... is caused by the weakness of the Kremlin's political experts, as a former expert of the Kremlin, I know this very well from the inside, and with my departure from there, everything began to fall apart in the country and the so-called "fat Putin years" ended, the war initially in 2021 neither we nor dill planned, and Ukraine was not even going to attack the Russian Federation at all in January 2022, and in February 2022 it had already prepared an attack on the Donbass, but it all started in January 2021, Vladimir Putin committed a courageous act, probably the most important in of his life and in the history of the 2021 century, after all, Rurikovich comes from the village of Ryurginovo, one of the most important acts of Ivan the Great was that he trampled on the demand for tribute from the Golden Horde, and Vladimir Putin abolished the slave tribute in the form of a budget rule and that is why now the budget has grown fat beyond recognition, in retaliation, the Americans forced the Ukrainians to prepare an attack on the Donbass and the Russian Federation, and the General Staff of the Russian Federation had only a month to prepare. As for the unfulfilled expectations that we would be greeted with flowers .... there was no time and nothing to conduct sociology, these are mass polls, "what will you do if the Russian troops come" .... there is no hope for adequate answers, no one will tell you anything, even if they think differently. Therefore, we decided by eye, no one expected flowers, they expected mass indifference, it was, but how to use it? The problem is the failure of the first plan in the reassessment of forces and the fear to call on conscripts and conscripts, the problem is in the people impregnated as indifferent as the Ukrainians, tactical errors are logistics, unarmed convoys on enemy territory, and the withdrawal of troops is the awareness of this mistake, Plan B, this is really a method saving their people, this is a statement that this is a real war, and not a game of tanks, .... and the first success is obvious, the destruction of the vast majority of the cadre Uko-fascist army, and the destruction of the psychology of the ukrov, ... my personal opinion, (although the General Staff knows better) . , it hung over Zhytomyr, and logistics there could well have been established 1 after cutting off the Ukrofascists from the borders of the European Union, the war can be stopped and given to them digest in cold and hunger 2 Carpathians must be taken in winter
    1. k7k8 Online k7k8
      k7k8 (vic) 20 June 2022 16: 16
      +1
      Quote: vladimir1155
      beat to Transnistria

      How do you imagine it if

      Quote: vladimir1155
      no need to take Kramatorsk, Slavyansk, and even more so Kharkov nikolaev and other cities

      But in many ways you are right.
      1. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 20 June 2022 16: 27
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        Quote: k7k8
        How do you imagine that

        that is, we hit from Kherson in Transnistria without entering Odessa Nikolaev Krivoy Rog, if the settlement surrenders, we pass it like Melitopol without a fight, if not, then it is the fate of Mariupol Severodonetsk, we also hit artillery on the positions of the Nazis, but I think the advance will be faster, because the forces of the ukrofascists are drying up
  19. gene1 Offline gene1
    gene1 (Gennady) 20 June 2022 16: 37
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    Quote: vladimir1155
    Quote: k7k8
    How do you imagine that

    that is, we hit from Kherson in Transnistria without entering Odessa Nikolaev Krivoy Rog, if the settlement surrenders, we pass it like Melitopol without a fight, if not, then it is the fate of Mariupol Severodonetsk, we also hit artillery on the positions of the Nazis, but I think the advance will be faster, because the forces of the ukrofascists are drying up

    Substitute yourself under flank fire?
    1. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 20 June 2022 17: 25
      +1
      the distance from Krivoy Rog to Nikolaev is 320 km, that is, a safe corridor 100 km wide is quite possible, flanking fire is suppressed by the VKS and artillery, in general, the lack of capture of large cities does not mean that they will not be blocked, that is, avoiding street fighting, they are surrounded in any case, from the side where our corridor is .... for example, the distance from Kharkov where the Nazis are now sitting to the border of the Russian Federation, where our troops are located, is only 40 km
  20. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 20 June 2022 18: 00
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    I want to say one thing - the Supreme, "in white gloves" all this cannot be successfully completed ...
    1. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 20 June 2022 21: 44
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      cooper. They threw a landing force near Kyiv, then they thought that they got excited and the landing party left without firing a single shot at anyone, just like Ukraine didn’t give a damn about this landing party and it went back in full force except for parachutes. True, a few captured will sew panties, as they showed in the kin. Now fighting is carried out frenziedly over the Internet. Blood flows like a river and blood sausage is made from blood and captured and data are secretly exchanged. Who, where is lost, the enemy is as much astray. What about the civilian population? Women are still giving birth, because there is a terrible economy in rubber and they cover the barrels of guns with it so that the rain does not wet it. There is nothing worse if, instead of making boots, a shoemaker begins his further life in the rank of marshal general, or marshal general and makes offensives in the lag.
  21. Antey Offline Antey
    Antey (Andrey Telichko) 20 June 2022 18: 23
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    Quote: Chukchi farm worker
    Another crazy Ukrainian. Rejoice that you are not sitting in a trench or a cache, but in the warmth write here about "the fate of Ukraine" making ridiculous conclusions and making stupid forecasts.

    Does your couch position "the bosses know better - we will win" allows you to sleep better?
  22. Antey Offline Antey
    Antey (Andrey Telichko) 20 June 2022 18: 29
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    Quote: Valera75
    that at least half of the Ukrainian population was poisoned by propaganda and banderized. And the other half is actually occupied by Ukraine and is very cautious in its support.

    there are even many in the Donbass who do not support ours, but our military correspondents and TV try not to talk about this. A friend of his friend had a son who died in Ukraine, and when his relatives were talking to the ensign who accompanied the coffin, he said that the locals, that the adults that the hat would come up to you smiling, take the dry ration from your hands and then walk away, taking out a mobile phone, make a stupid call (maybe the street will say quickly in words) and dumps from this place, the APU will track the call on the BES and beat in 3-5 minutes at this place. So when the Donbass returns to Russia, I don’t even doubt it, they will have to catch such assistants there, I think, not for a single year. And the closer to the west, the more there will be such shpendiks and adults ready to help their Armed Forces

    I go on vacation to my relatives in the LPR every year. And I see the inscriptions on the walls, clearly written by the boys - all sorts of SUGS and insults to Putin and the LPR. I won't post pictures to avoid. But I have them. And this is not a front line, it is near the border of the Russian Federation!
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    aslanxnumx (Aslan) 20 June 2022 21: 04
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    Khokhols with Europeans threw Russia 2014. And again the same story, you send troops and we will support you, the result is visible to everyone. And now there will be a second Khasovyurt, I wonder who will voice it
  24. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 20 June 2022 21: 33
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    Kedmi thought that they also think in Russia. Kedmi did not command the Russian army, which has a completely different commander. But if everyone took data from their feet, then such an operation. Of course Kedmi gave the wrong direction of impact. He thought the enemy was heading west. Russian generals thought that in the east, next to Kazakhstan, it would be like with Kazakhstan. Kedmi thought that Russia wanted to defend itself, because he was not aware that this was one of the ways to make money. Here is such an abomination.
  25. Chervony Biker Offline Chervony Biker
    Chervony Biker (Red Biker) 21 June 2022 15: 23
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    limited to a set of motivated contract volunteers and ...

    this is just sad about it. If for citizens of the Republics and Russia, there is such an opportunity to realize oneself. Then for the citizens of Ukraine, whom this should primarily concern, there are no opportunities! The situation is strange to say the least. Where is the formation of volunteer units, namely from Ukrainian citizens?
    Or do not trust, or officials sabotage. Although in an amendment to the Federal Law, all obstacles are removed.