Is it possible to unite the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation into a single army

13 2022 June 31

Curious news came from Kyiv. The well-known "mouth worker", Ukrainian propagandist Aleksey Arestovich, within the framework of a "mental fiction", allowed Putin's victory over Nezalezhnaya and the possible unification of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus into a giant Slavic army that would sweep away any European one. How realistic is all this?

As part of the propaganda duping of Ukrainian citizens, online conversations are regularly held in Kyiv between the former Russian lawyer Mark Feygin, who was deprived of this status due to obscene public statements addressed to his fellow lawyers and their clients, and the newly-minted "Goebbels" Arestovich. In them, the jingoistic public is told how the Armed Forces of Ukraine are about to finish off the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the People's Militia of the LDNR and cross the Russian border, rushing to Moscow. And then the unexpected happened. Aleksey "lieutenant colonel" Arestovich suddenly admitted the possibility of defeating Ukraine with the following wording:

Well, how will Putin win? He will not win, of course, but suddenly he will win. We add 500 thousand Ukrainian to the one and a half million Russian army. How Ukrainians are fighting, everyone is convinced already? - suddenly "sobered up" Arestovich. - So, and all this - Ukraine plus Russia - will go to Europe. Where are all these European armies, which in the overwhelming majority of cases are demonstrative amusing troops, incapable of solving the tasks of defending their country like NATO and the EU, where will they stop the Union of Ukraine and Russia if this happens? And Belarus, I would add. And this is their direct interest.

Such a bold statement had the effect of an exploding bomb: the jingoistic Ukrainian public was fairly “burned out”, the Russian one was inspired, and the European one tensed up. It is obvious that this was the main goal of the "lieutenant colonel" - to indicate the seriousness of the state of affairs on the fronts, to put pressure on the collective West to increase the volume of military support for Kyiv, and also to lay some straws in advance, so that later there would be something to explain the inevitable defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Say, we warned that without the help of the NATO bloc, Ukraine would not survive, so it did not survive, and the Western partners themselves are to blame.

But let's take all this "Goebbelsism" out of the brackets and ask ourselves the question, is it even possible to unite the Ukrainian, Russian and Belarusian armies, and if so, in what form?

United Slavic army?

First of all, we should pay tribute to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Despite the superiority of the RF Armed Forces in firepower and air supremacy, the Ukrainian army continues to resist for the fourth month in a row, although our numerous jingoistic patriots and hat throwers believed that it would scatter to their farms after the very first shots. The problem is that the Russians are at war with their own "reflection", only in the negative. On the other side, we are opposed by the same ethnic Russians from the South-East of Ukraine and Ukrainians, the essence of one people, only affected by the virus of Nazism.

And this is the first reason why the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the National Guard of Ukraine will not be able to fight shoulder to shoulder against the NATO bloc. Alas, be in 2014 adopted other political decisions, many of those who are now sitting in fortified areas in the Donbass and shelling peaceful cities from large-caliber artillery could turn out to be our fellow citizens and serve in the Russian army. However, as part of the reform, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were merged with the so-called “dobrobats”, who brought their nationalist ideas to them. The difference between them that was noticeable 8 years ago is almost gone, many ordinary Ukrainian soldiers are covered with exactly the same Nazi tattoos.

Now the servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guardsmen are waiting for a military tribunal for their criminal acts. Even if Kyiv capitulates right now, serving side by side with those who have been shelling Donetsk from Avdiivka for years, shooting prisoners of war in the legs and mocking them in every possible way, will be unacceptable for the Russian military.

The second reason why the creation of a united huge Slavic army is impossible lies in purely economic planes. To tell the truth, Ukraine could not afford to maintain even a 250-strong army. Military spending devoured all the rest of the budget, which since 2014 has been focused exclusively on preparing for a suicidal war with Russia. The increase in the Armed Forces of Ukraine even up to 350 thousand people raised big questions in terms of their content and provision. What are the 500 thousand?

Ukraine is already guaranteed to have lost 4 regions, and by the end of 2022, it will probably lose the entire South-East, which, hopefully, will become part of Russia. They will leave both the industrial base and millions of people who are a mobilization resource for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Without external support from the West, all the current military power of the Square will very quickly be blown away like a balloon.

If you call a spade a spade, denazification and demilitarization, declared as the goals of the special operation, means that Kyiv should eventually be left without an army, being under the protectorate of Moscow. The most correct decision would be to introduce Central Ukraine and, possibly, Western (as an autonomy) into the Union State of Russia and Belarus, which is legally a "soft" federation. The Armed Forces of Ukraine should be liquidated, and instead of them, it is necessary to create Self-Defense Forces numbering no more than 40-50 thousand people who will serve on the border with the NATO bloc. They must obey the unified command of the Union State Troops, and the veterans of the People's Militia of the LDNR will become the backbone. Conscripts and contractors from the regions of the South-East of the former Ukraine will go to the Russian army, the number of which will have to be increased according to the lessons learned from the special operation. It would be expedient to place a network of military bases of the RF Armed Forces on the territory of historical Little Russia.

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Bakht

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13 June 2022 11: 59

Sounds reasonable. But ... there are a couple of questions

the backbone will be veterans of the People's Militia of the LDNR. Conscripts and contractors from the regions of the South-East of the former Ukraine will go to the Russian army, the number of which will have to be increased according to the lessons learned from the special operation. It would be expedient to place a network of military bases of the RF Armed Forces on the territory of historical Little Russia.

If citizens of the LDNR become the backbone, how can Russian citizens serve in the Ukrainian army? After all, the LDNR wants to become part of Russia. Or should they be part of the new Ukraine? That is, my old thesis that the reformatting of Ukraine will fall on the Donbass is not so stupid.
If a "network of military bases of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation" is created on the territory of Little Russia, then it means that an intergovernmental agreement must be reached. With whom? If with Novorossia (or Little Russia), then Ukraine can be forgotten? And where will the capital be? In Donetsk, Kharkov or Kyiv?

In general, the creation of a united Ukrainian and Russian army, at this stage, is out of the realm of fantasy. Only after the reformatting of the entire territory of Ukraine. Galicia still needs to be given to the Poles. But this is my wild opinion. I do not insist. If Galicia is under the Poles, then Ukrainians will be forgotten there very soon. The Poles will try. But everything else should be under the protectorate of Russia for a long time. At least ten years. And only after that it is possible to restore the new Ukraine. And talk about the united army. And here Arestovich is right. The West will definitely not risk getting involved with such an army.
1. Marzhecki
  
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  13 June 2022 12: 09
  
  If citizens of the LDNR become the backbone, how can Russian citizens serve in the Ukrainian army? After all, the LDNR wants to become part of Russia. Or should they be part of the new Ukraine? That is, my old thesis that the reformatting of Ukraine will fall on the Donbass is not so stupid.
  
  So they all have two passports, Ukrainian and Russian.
  
  If a "network of military bases of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation" is created on the territory of Little Russia, then it means that an intergovernmental agreement must be reached. With whom? If with Novorossia (or Little Russia), then Ukraine can be forgotten? And where will the capital be? In Donetsk, Kharkov or Kyiv?
  
  With what, what will remain at that moment. In Kyiv or Kharkov.
  
  Galicia still needs to be given to the Poles. But this is my wild opinion. I do not insist. If Galicia is under the Poles, then Ukrainians will be forgotten there very soon. The Poles will try.
  
  I also think so, but many people feel sorry for the Kemsk volost.
  1. Bakht
    
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    13 June 2022 12: 24
    
    The problem is not the passports. The problem is public education.
    Suppose (this is only an assumption) as a result of the NWO, a federal (confederal) republic of Ukraine will be created. Within what limits? Which regions will want to join Russia? What areas is Russia ready to accept?
    Everything that will become part of Russia (if it enters) will have no relation to Ukraine and the issue is removed. These are citizens of Russia and will serve in the Russian army.
    And what will happen to the rest of Ukraine?
    The stub of Ukraine without the industry of the East, without the ports of the South will not be viable.
    It is preferable (in my opinion) to recreate Ukraine within its former borders (excluding Crimea and Galicia). Let's say Novorossiya, Little Russia, Central Ukraine. War criminals are deprived of their rights for ten years, without the right to hold elected and administrative positions. The new Constitution and the new composition of the Rada and the government. Then the Russian population of the new Ukraine will influence the domestic and foreign policy of this new state entity.
    But first you need to achieve victory on the battlefield. This is the first and main condition.
    1. skeptic
      
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      13 June 2022 12: 52
      
      Quote: Bakht
      It is preferable (in my opinion) to recreate Ukraine within its former borders (excluding Crimea and Galicia).
      
      Preferably - Odessa region, Kyiv region, Donetsk region, etc. No Ukraine, otherwise the Mazepas will be stuffed again and other evil spirits will start to roam - Russia needs this? Everyone should be aware that any tension against Russia ends with the loss of statehood, without the right to restore.
      1. Bakht
        
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        13 June 2022 13: 41
        
        That is, you propose the accession of all Ukraine to Russia. Terminology matters a lot. What you call "accession" will be called "annexation" all over the world (including the UN).
        The USSR was expelled from the League of Nations. Russia can be excluded from the UN. Of course, there are people who will say that this is not so important. I think otherwise. The seat in the Security Council will be lost, the right of veto will be lost. Any opportunity to influence UN decisions will be lost.
        
        guest
        
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        13 June 2022 15: 35
        
        What kind of nonsense are you talking about, in the UN, Russia has a veto that will not allow the UN to exclude Russia.
        
        Bulanov
        
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        14 June 2022 10: 57
        
        What you call "accession" will be called "annexation" all over the world (including the UN).
        
        And why was the accession of the GDR to the FRG not called "annexation" (including in the UN) ???
        
        Vox Populi
        
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        14 June 2022 16: 52
        
        Probably because it was a mutual process without any military conflict. Not?!
        
        skeptic
        
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        14 June 2022 12: 38
        
        Quote: Bakht
        That is, you propose the accession of all Ukraine to Russia. Terminology matters a lot. What you call "accession" will be called "annexation" all over the world (including the UN).
        
        Do not attribute to others, their conclusions. My opinion is Ukraine, how state shouldn't exist - period.
    2. guest
      
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      13 June 2022 15: 47
      
      Whether Ukraine is viable or not is already a problem for Ukraine itself, and Russia is certainly not obliged to sacrifice its ancestral lands for the sake of this ungrateful Ukraine.
2. Oleg Rambover
  
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  13 June 2022 14: 23
  
  Quote: Bakht
  Sounds reasonable. But ... there are a couple of questions
  
  Is it reasonable?
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3. wolf46
  
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  13 June 2022 16: 32
  
  Galicia still needs to be given to the Poles. But that's my personal opinion. I do not insist. If Galicia is under the Poles, then Ukrainians will be forgotten there very soon. The Poles will try.
  
  Ukrainian-Hungarian border, i.e. control over it should become one of the goals of the third stage of the NWO. This is actually an exit to the Balkan Peninsula, first of all, Serbia (at least in view of the recent closing of the sky by three countries to Lavrov). If not the Galicians, then the Poles will mischief ..
Oleg Dmitriev

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13 June 2022 14: 02

Quote: Bakht
That is, you propose the accession of all Ukraine to Russia.

Sobsno, why all? I propose to divide - Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk, Volyn and Ternopil to give to the Poles, Uzhgorod to the Magyars. The rest is ours as regions - subjects of the federation. The Poles will take the local banderie to the nail for ten years, they will have no time for anything, and we will have time to denazify and integrate Little Russia and New Russia completely. And no occupation.
steelmaker

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13 June 2022 14: 20

Is it possible to unite the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation into a single army

In 20 years. When a new generation grows up. Why create problems for yourself out of the blue? It would be better if they prepared their personnel better, but they paid decently. Then stupid questions, from hopelessness, do not wake up. And then in our year of service, soldiers never shoot from a machine gun. A disgrace, not an army!!
Oleg Rambover

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13 June 2022 14: 24

Again, the division of the skin of an unkilled bear.
1. vo2022smysl
  
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  13 June 2022 20: 22
  
  Today, the favorite pastime of pique vests and trolls on the patriotic resources of the network ...
  1. skeptic
    
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    14 June 2022 12: 44
    
    Quote from: vo2022smysl
    Today, the favorite pastime of pique vests and trolls on the patriotic resources of the network ...
    
    Curious who you are? To the monkey contemplating "from above"? Or to the one who called out from the branches...?
vlad127490

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13 June 2022 15: 29

All actions of Russia in Ukraine must be enshrined in law.
It is necessary to legislate that the territory of Ukraine, seized by the separatists with the help of NATO, is the property of Russia.
Then, in accordance with the Law, the military operation carried out by Russia in Ukraine is the liberation of the territory of Russia occupied by separatists, the restoration of the territorial integrity of Russia, the reunification of peoples.
The presence of the Law will designate the goal, give certainty about the future to the citizens of the Russian Federation and citizens of Ukraine. Citizens living on the territory of Ukraine will not have to be afraid in the future for themselves, for persecution by the fascist regime.
All actions of the Russian Army on the territory of Ukraine will comply with the Law. The law will not allow NATO to intervene, to bring troops from Poland, Romania, Hungary into the territory of Ukraine, and the annexation of Ukraine by these countries will automatically disappear.
The unilateral appeal adopted on December 5, 1991 by the Supreme Council of Ukraine “To the Parliaments and Peoples of the World”, by which it announced that “Ukraine considers the 1922 Treaty on the Establishment of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics with respect to itself null and void” is void, since in 1936 a new The Constitution of the USSR, with the entry into force of which the Constitution of the USSR of 1924 ceased to operate, including the Treaty on the Formation of the USSR of 1922. The Treaty on the Formation of the USSR of 1922 did not exist as an independent legal document.
The withdrawal of the Republic of Ukraine from the USSR was possible only with a positive decision received at the USSR Referendum and the implementation of the USSR Law of April 3, 1990 No. 1409-I “On the procedure for resolving issues related to the withdrawal of a union republic from the USSR”.
The USSR Constitution of 1977 was adopted by all the peoples of the USSR, and only the entire people of the USSR could give permission for Ukraine to leave the USSR.
The exit of Ukraine without a nationwide referendum in the USSR and the failure to comply with the law of April 3, 1990 No. 1409-I is a criminal offense that has no statute of limitations.
The Treaty "On Friendship, Cooperation and Partnership between the Russian Federation and Ukraine" dated May 31, 1997 ceased to be valid on April 1, 2019 due to its denunciation by Ukraine. The termination of this Treaty releases the Russian Federation from any obligation in relation to Ukraine.
The USSR - the successor - the right successor of the Russian Empire, and the Russian Federation-Russia the successor - the right successor of the USSR. All of them are the same subject of history and international law (RF), which has a new name and a different socio-political system. The Russian Federation-Russia and the USSR paid off all debts, including those of the Russian Empire, for which there are court decisions or other supporting documents. For example, between 1997 and to 2000 From the budget of the Russian Federation, payments were made in the total amount of 400 million US dollars in favor of the Government of the French Republic for the debts of the Government of the Russian Empire. In August 2006, the Russian Federation fully repaid the lend-lease debt to the United States. There are no outstanding debts, we do not consider modern loans. This is a fact that the Russian Federation has unilaterally assumed obligations to be the successor - successor of the Russian Empire and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR).
Russia did not transfer, sell or donate to the former Soviet republic of the USSR Ukraine its territories, as well as its foreign assets.
It is urgently necessary for the Russian Federation-Russia, as the successor of the Russian Empire and the USSR, and as the owner of the territory of the former USSR republic of Ukraine, to secure Russia's ownership of this territory by legislative means, unilaterally.
For example, in 2005, China passed the "Law on Anti-Secession of the State." According to the document, in the event of a threat to the peaceful reunification of the mainland and Taiwan, the PRC government is obliged to resort to force and other necessary methods to preserve its territorial integrity.
The absence of a law stating that the territory of Ukraine is the property of Russia allows Russia's enemies to interpret the ongoing special military operation as aggression and occupation by Russia and allows NATO countries to annex this no man's territory.
There is only one decision on Ukraine in favor of the people of Russia. The state of Ukraine must cease to exist. The entire territory of Ukraine should return to Russia, in the form of regions and republics. There is no need to ask permission from anyone, everything must be done unilaterally. There is no state of Ukraine, there are no debts, there is no government of Ukraine in exile, there are no Ukrainian participants in various international organizations, there is no hostile state on the border of Russia.
If the state of Ukraine is left, then today and in the future, Russia will always have a headache. Ukraine will definitely join NATO. Everything that is promised and will be spelled out in the Constitution of Ukraine, in its documents, Ukraine will change, in the way that is beneficial to the United States and its satellites.
Will Putin accept such a Law or not???
Vox Populi

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13 June 2022 17: 27

In 2014, everything could well have gone according to a different scenario (although not simply), including service in a single army, for example, of the Union State.

If you call a spade a spade, denazification and demilitarization, declared as the goals of the special operation, means that Kyiv should eventually be left without an army, being under the protectorate of Moscow.

This is not "theoretical" imperialism, is it?!
akm8226

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13 June 2022 17: 52

... Ukrainian propagandist Aleksey Arestovich, within the framework of a "mental fiction", allowed Putin to win over Nezalezhnaya ...

ah-ah-ah, what are you talking about? So right and allowed?
What is being done, what is being done!!
svit55

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13 June 2022 21: 38

stoned made another nonsense, and serious men are discussing. What are we talking about? about the connection of the two armies, in the next 50 years is impossible. For 30 years, Khokhols brains wrapped 180g. It will take time, a long time, to shorten the current ones and bring up normal ones.
doc8673

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13 June 2022 21: 39

First of all, we should pay tribute to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Despite the superiority of the RF Armed Forces in firepower and air supremacy, the Ukrainian army continues to resist for the fourth month in a row, although our numerous jingoistic patriots and hat throwers believed that it would scatter to their farms after the very first shots.

the civilian population, which the RF Armed Forces are trying to save from coming out - terrorists - this is the reason for such a long time, otherwise, simply, they would have razed them all to the ground ..........
Mks7

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14 June 2022 00: 44

To be honest, the forecasts in the article for the results for June do not look realistic. Without a doubt, apparently, the loss of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions should be recognized.
Mks7

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14 June 2022 00: 48

Quote: doc8673
the civilian population, which the RF Armed Forces are trying to save from coming out - terrorists - this is the reason for such a long time, otherwise, simply, they would have razed them all to the ground ..........

Mariupol does not look like a city in which someone restrained himself in some way. More than 60 percent of buildings are beyond repair.
1. House 25 Sq. 380
  
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  14 June 2022 11: 20
  
  It was necessary to send you to roll sea mines with your hands, which the Armed Forces of Ukraine scattered along the roads and under the arches of houses ....
weddu

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14 June 2022 00: 51

Despite the fire superiority and air superiority, the numerical grouping of the NVO troops is several times smaller than the Ukrainian troops and the territorial defense. The outcome is known to everyone, the disposal of the male combat-ready population of Ukraine ... But these are not the goals of Moscow and Kyiv, It is in structures like the Bilderberg Club that they decide ...
Marzhecki

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14 June 2022 08: 11

Quote: weddu
Despite the superiority in fire and the advantage in the air, the numerical grouping of the NVO troops is several times smaller than the Ukrainian troops and the territorial defense. The outcome is known to all, the disposal of the male combat-ready population of Ukraine ...

I believe that after the cleansing of the Donbass, a turning point will come. Whoever wanted and knew how to fight in Ukraine, everyone will stay there. Then there will be no one to fight.
Marzhecki

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14 June 2022 08: 12

Quote: Mks7
To be honest, the forecasts in the article for the results for June do not look realistic. Without a doubt, apparently, the loss of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions should be recognized.

Quite realistic. The main thing is that the "Medinsky" people should not interfere with the military to do their job.
Ukraine in its current form will still have to be reset. Even if our Jews stop halfway, they will rearm from the other side and resume the slaughter themselves.
House 25 Sq. 380

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14 June 2022 11: 17

Marzhetsky, as always, "carries"

Alas, if other political decisions were made in 2014, many of those who are now sitting in fortified areas in the Donbass and shelling peaceful cities from large-caliber artillery could turn out to be our fellow citizens and serve in the Russian army. However, as part of the reform, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were merged with the so-called “dobrobats”, who brought their nationalist ideas to them. The difference between them that was noticeable 8 years ago is almost gone, many ordinary Ukrainian soldiers are covered with exactly the same Nazi tattoos.

He should have been in Ukraine more often, at least since 1989 ....
There, "nationalist ideas" have long won, and not in 2014 ....
All stories are distributed, they say, but in 2014, but ....
Peace Peace.

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14 June 2022 11: 41

After the "liberation" send Ukrainians to beat the Balts because of support in the death of the Ukrainian people. And then the energetic Finnish guys are in the habit.
1. GIS
  
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  14 June 2022 13: 00
  
  WOOOO!!!!!
  I support !!!!
  not in vain they remembered Peter the 1st, not in vain
akm8226

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17 June 2022 19: 43

Even Belarusians, with all my tolerance, I would not put behind me. What can we say about khokhols. Wild nonsense. One of the marshals of the Great Patriotic War said that a unit is not combat-ready if it contains less than 50 percent of Russians. Everything.