Why should the idea of ​​creating the Kherson People's Republic be abandoned


For more than two months of a military special operation in Ukraine, President Putin has not bothered to tell what kind of fate awaits the former Nezalezhnaya after the completion of its demilitarization and denazification. Moreover, the very course of the SVO casts doubt on the possibility of fulfilling the assigned tasks without occupying the entire territory of Ukraine, which the Kremlin has been diligently denying from its very beginning. However, in recent days there have been several events that give a timid hope that the common sense of those in power will still exceed the desire to appear "white and fluffy."


Life in the gray zone


The first thing I would like to draw attention to is the statement of the deputy head of the military-civilian administration of the region, Kirill Stremousov, who ruled out the return of the Kherson region to Ukraine:

It's impossible. Kherson region will develop economically. Kyiv will no longer be able to impose its ugly Nazi policiesaimed at the destruction of people and their identity.

The pro-Russian functionary also announced the transition of the region to settlements in rubles from May 1, 2022 and guaranteed the continuation of water supplies to Crimea through the North Crimean Canal. In response, Kyiv fired at the center of Kherson with a ballistic missile from the Tochka-U OTRK.

Well, what is happening is quite natural. Kherson region and the south of Zaporozhye, where Russian troops entered at the very beginning of the special operation, were more fortunate than other Ukrainian regions. There are no large-scale hostilities, as near Kyiv or in the Donbass. At the same time, giving the Kherson region and the south of the Zaporozhye region back to Kyiv as part of another “broad de-escalation gesture” is simply unthinkable, because then Crimea will lose guaranteed water supplies from the Dnieper and a reliable land corridor to the peninsula. However, the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov turned out to be actually cut off from the socialeconomic system of the former Square, and there it is necessary to somehow establish a peaceful life. Historically, it is tied to the Crimea, where, until 2014, agricultural products from the Kherson region were traditionally supplied. The beginning of the official circulation of the Russian ruble in the current situation becomes uncontested.

Objectively, the Azov region repeats the path of separation from Nazi Ukraine, which was already passed by the DPR and LPR, which received recognition of independence from Moscow on February 21, 2022. By analogy, a referendum on the creation of the Kherson and Zaporozhye People's Republics suggests itself, but Mr. Stremousov ruled out this scenario:

No referenda are planned. Ukrainian propagandists are spreading fake stories about the creation of the Kherson People's Republic in order to intimidate the local population. The Kherson region will develop and turn into a flourishing land, in which there will be no place for the ideology of Ukrainian Nazism.


That is, the Azov region is currently in a kind of “gray zone”, de jure remaining part of Ukraine, and de facto becoming part of a single socio-economic complex with the Russian Crimea. Is it good? No, there is nothing good in this. Why is this happening? Perhaps because the Kremlin still hopes to agree on something with Kyiv, and President Zelensky has bluntly stated that in the event of some referenda, he will officially withdraw from any negotiations:

If a referendum is proclaimed, a pseudo-referendum on all sorts of new republics, Ukraine will withdraw from any negotiation processes.

It must be assumed that referendums on the creation of some new republics on the territory of the former Independent should not be expected in the near future. "Collective Medinsky" will try to negotiate with the Ukrainian Nazis and their Western masters to the limit.

KhNR or Kherson region of New Russia?


With all the personal rejection of the frankly destructive activities of this liberal tower of the Kremlin, I would like to note at the same time the important signal that the day before followed from the conditional "power bloc". So, Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Nikolai Patrushev stated verbatim the following:

The result of the current policy of the West and the Kyiv regime under its control can only be the disintegration of Ukraine into several states.

Now that's interesting. A few is a little more than two. And what kind of states could they be?

Modern Ukraine is very clearly divided into three parts - Western, Central and South-Eastern. Zapadentsy generally do not consider themselves one people with the rest of their fellow citizens. The southeast, or Novorossiya, is populated predominantly by ethnic Russians and Russian-speaking Ukrainians, and even today there remains a certain level of support for Russia, although since 2014 and especially after February 24, 2022, the mood has changed a lot. The real Ukraine is Central, it is Little Russia. The probability of dividing the territory of the former Independence today is greater than ever before.

The fact that neighboring Poland is ready to carry out the "Anschluss" of Galicia and Volhynia under the guise of a peacekeeping operation is no longer said by journalists and popular bloggers, but quite officially by Russian intelligence. The Polish Army is mobilized and drawn to the eastern border. It is curious what President Zelensky will say when Polish peacekeepers enter Western Ukraine and preparations for a plebiscite begin there?

If we look at the future of the former Nezalezhnaya from the point of view of its possible disintegration into three large parts (with the division of the Western one between its Eastern European neighbors), then the question arises whether it is necessary to fence the garden at all, creating more and more new people's republics - Kherson, Zaporozhye, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk , Nikolaev, Odessa and others? What is the real meaning in them and will there be more harm than good? In this troubled time, local authorities may be at the helm of equally “muddy” characters, around whom their own gang of “old-mode” elements will eventually form. All these people's republics will then quickly quarrel among themselves. Why do we, the Russians, need all this? To satisfy someone's ambitions there?

If we evaluate the situation sensibly, then on the territory of the former Nezalezhnaya there are already two states officially recognized by Moscow - the DPR and the LPR. Over the past 8 years, at the very least, their own legislative and legal base has been formed in them, the socio-economic system is really connected and gradually integrated into the Russian one. At the same time, the Donetsk People's Republic was proclaimed back in 2015 as the legal successor of the Donetsk-Krivoy Rog Republic (DKR), which occupied almost the entire territory of historical Novorossia. So why now fuss with a referendum on the creation of KhNR, if you can do it much easier?

For example, the DNR and LNR can officially unite into the Federal Republic of Novorossiya, which recognizes itself as the legal successor of the DKR with its capital in Donetsk. And after that, all the liberated territories simply officially join the federation on the basis of the rights of its regions, extending their legal regime to them and at the same time integrating them into the socio-economic system. This will instantly solve a lot of organizational and legal issues, bringing, in particular, the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov from the notorious "gray zone". In the future, if the Kremlin still decides, and the Nazi regime in Kyiv falls, Novorossiya could join the Russian Federation through a referendum on the rights of the entire Novorossiysk Federal District. This would eliminate the very possibility of a neo-Nazi revenge in the future.

The issue with Central Ukraine could be resolved in a similar way. After the defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass, Russian troops will have to return to the north of the Kyiv, Chernihiv and Sumy regions in any case in order to create a “security belt” along their border. On the territory of the Kyiv region, when the Kremlin finally understands that it will definitely not work out with Kyiv, it will be possible to proclaim the creation of the Federative State of Little Russia, which will become the successor of the former Independent. Liberated from the power of the Ukrainian Nazis, Little Russia will be able to join the CSTO, the EAEU and the Union State of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus.
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  1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Alexander) April 29 2022 17: 01
    +6
    LDNR is possible only as a temporary solution ... the Russian Federation does not need all these republics with kings at the head, since this is a mine of separatism ... The Russian Federation needs to return to the provinces, following the model of Tsarist Russia, and reduce the bureaucracy. Donbass and other territories should be accepted into the Russian Federation as regions, which should then become larger entities, such as a province ... Thus, the LDNR can be accepted into the Russian Federation as the Donetsk province, and Kherson can be attached to the Crimean province.
    1. weddu Offline weddu
      weddu (Kolya) April 29 2022 21: 51
      -1
      And Chechnya, Dagestan, Tatarstan, Yakutia .. which provinces will you attach to? You know that Chechnya and Ingushetia still cannot divide their lands, and the Dagestanis cannot forgive the Chechens for invading their republic. Remember, the second Chechen campaign began with an attack by militants led by Basayev and Khattab on Dagestan. Initially, detachments of Chechen fighters entered the territory of the Botlikh region. The first to decide to annex neighboring Dagestan to Chechnya ...
      Do you have any idea what's going to happen?
      1. regent-400 Offline regent-400
        regent-400 (SERGEY KOZITIN) 1 May 2022 01: 35
        0
        The Caucasus should not be confused with Ukraine. This audience has always argued among themselves in all ages and the whole country has benefited from their disputes. Suffice it to recall the 100-year-old Caucasian war. This is almost the same Afghan only on the territory of the Russian Empire. They have a completely different mentality, character and manners are wild and medieval. And Ukraine and Russia are one Slavic ethnic group. And our mentality is very different from the Caucasian one. Now give free rein to the highlanders and again you can get the same hundred-year war.
        1. weddu Offline weddu
          weddu (Kolya) 2 May 2022 22: 17
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          What are you talking about? That is, part of Russia will be provinces, part will be regions, and part will be republics within the Russian Federation? What is the mentality here? By what criteria do you divide Russians by mentality? We Russians are not a single people? What Afghan, what are you talking about? Afghanistan has never been a part of Russia, but with the peoples of the Caucasus, we lived and live in the same country, studied and study according to the same programs in schools.
          Here, over there, the character of the autonomous republic of Crimea, the Crimean province, was called, which never existed. There was once a Tauride province, see maps. How are you to the peoples of Dagestan, Chuvash, Kalmyk, Buryat, Bashkir republics, Mordovia and Tatarstan, etc. explain that they are now not republics, but provinces? It’s easier to destroy Russia ... Look at least how much hype there was with the renaming of the post "President of Tatarstan" ...
          1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Alexander) 5 May 2022 11: 00
            +1
            Well, if, as you say (We Russians are one people), then why share? If there were no national republics, no one would divide anything ... After all, at one time the Terek region was good ... Division along national lines leads to wars, carve-up and separatism ... Well, they explained that the president in the Russian Federation should to be alone and this is normal and you can explain at the expense of the provinces, it’s only important not to violate the rights of small peoples, not to ban their native language, as they banned in Ukraine ... There was a hype and the separatists made noise and they still have to resolve the issue, otherwise we will get in Tatarstan, or somewhere else, another Karabakh, but the Russian Federation does not need it ... It is important to resolve the issue with the separatists in a timely manner ... and put all these Dudayevs on the bunk in time ... There are English and French-speaking provinces in Canada, and there are no national republics there ... there are only provinces ... And separatists exist not only in Tatarstan, or some national regions, such as the Basque Country ... in the same Siberia, with NATO money, there is a separatist movement for an independent Siberia, in Texas there are separatists ... there are separatists in Alaska, and there there are those who are for independence and those who are for returning to Russia ... mainly for economic reasons, but it doesn’t matter ... They tried to vote for the separation of Alaska from the USA and in (the most democratic, on paper, country in the World) in the USA, this vote was cut down in the bud ...
            1. weddu Offline weddu
              weddu (Kolya) 5 May 2022 16: 19
              +1
              We live in the Russian Federation. FEDERATION - a form of government in which several state entities with a certain legal and political independence form one union state, as well as the state itself, organized on such principles.
              Ukraine was kind of like a single country, not even a federation. And what did it lead to? In recent years, there have been more and more talks and proposals, including from Russia, about the federalization of Ukraine with broad powers of the regions, precisely in order to preserve the unity of the country. Ukraine was against it, we see what it all led to.
              1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                Sapsan136 (Alexander) 5 May 2022 17: 05
                +1
                The point is not whether the federation or not, the point is how people are treated there. Canada is not a federation, despite the fact that there are French and English-speaking PROVINCES ... The Russian Empire had PROVINCES and collapsed for other reasons than Ukraine ...
                1. weddu Offline weddu
                  weddu (Kolya) 6 May 2022 10: 26
                  0
                  Canada is a member of the Commonwealth led by Great Britain. The form of government is a parliamentary monarchy. According to the form of the state-territorial structure, it is a federation, which includes 10 provinces and three territories (each of the provinces is headed by a lieutenant-governor and has a parliament and government).
                  Canada is a federal country like the United States, Germany and Australia. Power is constitutionally divided between the federal government in Ottawa and the ten provincial governments. The federal government is responsible for such things as foreign relations, criminal law, defense, broadcasting, banking, the monetary system, copyright, fisheries, air travel, border control, and other things of a “national” nature. The provinces are responsible for health care, education, civil law, marriage, divorce, cities, police, natural resources, and other "local" things. Some powers, such as immigration and taxation, are shared. The federal government cannot legislate in areas of provincial jurisdiction, and vice versa, because both levels of government are constitutionally sovereign in their own areas.
                  1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                    Sapsan136 (Alexander) 6 May 2022 15: 23
                    +1
                    Canada is only formally in the British Commonwealth, it is an independent state that has two state languages ​​​​and provinces that speak one of them ..... It’s funny about the USA, secession from the United States is possible only on paper ... In the Russian Federation, too, there is a government in each regions (the Regional Duma is the head of the region, the Governor, there are regional laws and so on ...)
                    1. weddu Offline weddu
                      weddu (Kolya) 6 May 2022 19: 26
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                      ..I don’t understand you, you write: “Canada is not a federation, despite the fact that there are French and English speakers there.” - BUT, Canada is a federation, like the USA, Russia, Germany, Australia, etc. What got you stuck in Canada? ..that there are a lot of Ukrainians there?
                      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Alexander) 9 May 2022 21: 09
                        +1
                        There are no national republics in Canada, so I give you Canada and other countries as an example ...
                      2. weddu Offline weddu
                        weddu (Kolya) 10 May 2022 15: 12
                        0
                        The abolition of the national republics will only bring the collapse of Russia closer, increase nationalist sentiments and extremism in the abolished republics. The future elites of Russia, this is the current rising generation, brought up and educated by liberals on pro-Western views and culture, the generation of the EG, who went out to the squares under the "banners" of Navalny, in fact there are much more of them than it seems, and this is unfortunately our tomorrow. But you can still change something, but no matter how abolishing the national republics, this will only add fuel to the fire ...
                      3. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Alexander) 10 May 2022 16: 48
                        +1
                        Discontent in the national republics can only be caused by the infringement of the rights of people living there, everything else is separatism, which needs to be crushed in uranium mines. The separatists will still stab Russia in the back at the first opportunity, so it's better for the government to deal with them sooner. Very unintelligent people and in very limited numbers go under the banner of Novolny. Even a hundred thousand troublemakers against the background of the general population of Moscow is a drop in the ocean, in the regions his support is even lower. In the elections in the Russian Federation, all these Yavlinskys never scored more than 1,5-3%, and this is at the level of statistical error. And if we take into account that people who are not related to the indigenous population of the Russian Federation most often go under the banners of Novolny and Yavlinsky, then they themselves dig a hole for themselves, the indigenous population of the Russian Federation will never tolerate the antics of these foreign troublemakers and sooner or later, they will show them the door. In the end, when a guest who arrived in the Russian Federation, even if he arrived in the RSFSR, begins to behave in the Russian Federation as a host, then this is no longer a guest, but an occupier, and the occupiers in Russia have never been on ceremony and acted correctly.
                      4. weddu Offline weddu
                        weddu (Kolya) 11 May 2022 00: 31
                        -1
                        You judge as a Russian, I judge as a non-Russian who grew up in the national republic, in the RSFSR, back at a time when black caviar and Cuban rum with cigarettes were not in short supply in stores. You judge superficially, I know from the inside how it is and what. I am no less a patriot than you, I just have a critical view of the obvious things and the future. It became clear to me that a big war was already inevitable when the UK initiated Brexit, and I told my friends and relatives that a big war would happen when it started at the very beginning of the XNUMXs.
                        For sim bow. And that's where our conversation ends.
                      5. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                        Sapsan136 (Alexander) 16 May 2022 18: 38
                        -1
                        Do you prefer to flirt with the separatists, as was the case in Ukraine under Khrushchev and Brezhnev, and this is the path to the collapse of the Russian Federation ... that's the whole difference between us. And by the way, there is enough Tatar blood in my veins ... but I know that all these national movements can only bring the Russian Federation to a new war, like the Chechen one. and I don't need it.
  • Evdokimov Sergey Yurievich April 30 2022 13: 56
    +2
    I completely agree with you, only the coastal cities of Odessa, Mariupol, Nikolaev are directly subordinate to Moscow, like Sevastopol.
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    1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
      Michael L. April 29 2022 18: 04
      +1
      Didn't the West push Hitler to seize Eastern Europe and the Russian Federation to the Urals, didn't applaud the Anschluss of Austria (against the latter was ... fascist B. Mussolini)?
      And only the catastrophe of Dunkirk and France forced the "well-wishers" to see clearly and turn around 180 *!
  • Sydor Kovpak Offline Sydor Kovpak
    Sydor Kovpak April 29 2022 17: 54
    +10
    The main thing is that Ukraine ceased to exist in its current version. Otherwise, any non-Russian territory will pose a threat to both Russia and the entire adequate world. Laboratories, launch silos, new centers of anti-Russia and TD will appear there again. Yes, and everyone is already tired of NOVO, LITTLE and other UNDOROSSIA. Therefore, we entered the city, hung the Russian flag, introduced the ruble. And whoever doesn’t like it, let them go to their Europe, they galloped for it .... (their love for the motherland is measured by hatred for their neighbors) .. Gum corridors should be left open ... Those for whom the MOTHERLAND is much more than a banal pocket will remain in the cities anti-Russia.
    1. Valentine Offline Valentine
      Valentine (Valentin) April 30 2022 15: 30
      +2
      Well done, Sidor, 100% "for", but only without undue mercy, and especially in Galicia, for those killed, for those torn to pieces, for broken destinies, someone must answer.
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  • Professor Offline Professor
    Professor (Paul) April 29 2022 18: 08
    -3
    It was smooth on paper ...
  • Michael L. Offline Michael L.
    Michael L. April 29 2022 18: 18
    -9
    The author's thesis: "Real Ukraine" is reminiscent of the story from "One-storied America" ​​by I. Ilf and E. Petrov, where they asked the Americans a tricky question: "Where is the real America?"
    Ukraine must remain a unitary state.
    And its pro-Russian course is provided with economic benefits from cooperation with the Russian Federation!
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) April 29 2022 18: 58
      +3
      The author's thesis: "Real Ukraine" is reminiscent of the story from "One-storied America" ​​by I. Ilf and E. Petrov, where they asked the Americans a tricky question: "Where is the real America?"

      Little Russia is the real Ukraine.

      Ukraine must remain a unitary state.

      And what?

      And its pro-Russian course is provided with economic benefits from cooperation with the Russian Federation!

      Funny smile How much Medvedev said there were hundreds of billions of dollars pumped into Ukraine?
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      2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
        Ulysses (Alexey) April 30 2022 23: 40
        +1
        Little Russia is the real Ukraine.

        There is no "real Ukraine", there are outlying Russian lands in Tavria, conquered by Russian weapons ..
    2. Victorio Offline Victorio
      Victorio (Victorio) April 29 2022 19: 03
      0
      Quote from Mikhail L.
      Ukraine must remain a unitary state.
      And its pro-Russian course is provided with economic benefits from cooperation with the Russian Federation!

      I doubt that people will understand the return of the LDNR to Ukraine. and independence, even after recognition by Russia, is still conditional. entry into the Russian Federation on the rights of subjects, the same thing with other interested areas. and what remains of the rest of Ukraine is probably still being determined.
      1. Michael L. Offline Michael L.
        Michael L. April 29 2022 19: 13
        0
        The foothold of "the rest of Ukraine" is fraught! ;-(
    3. Carmela Offline Carmela
      Carmela (Carmela) April 30 2022 16: 53
      0
      For 30 years they have been talking about the economic benefits of cooperation with the Russian Federation. And what is the result?
  • Colonel Kudasov Offline Colonel Kudasov
    Colonel Kudasov (Boris) April 29 2022 19: 00
    -1
    If the Poles scam Galicia, then this is not at all bad for Russia. It will be better for everyone if Lviv is a Polish city (as it was), and not the capital of Bandera. Therefore, I do not understand the noise that the Russian Foreign Ministry is making about the alleged seizure of Galicia by Poland. The Poles know how to handle roguli and put the flag in their hands. And Russia needs Ukraine with a clear capital in Donetsk, and not a set of independent republics. Even the current status quo with two republics is unacceptable and just stupid
    1. cold weather Offline cold weather
      cold weather (Anatoly) April 29 2022 20: 35
      +2
      Lviv, later Lemberg belonged to Austria for 150 years and only 20 years belonged to Poland. Ukraine, an invention of Austria, was warmly supported by Lenin. So in 1922, "Ukraine" arose, spelled out in the constitution of the same year.
      1. Victorio Offline Victorio
        Victorio (Victorio) April 30 2022 11: 58
        0
        Quote: Cold
        Lviv, later Lemberg belonged to Austria for 150 years and only 20 years belonged to Poland. Ukraine, an invention of Austria, was warmly supported by Lenin. So in 1922, "Ukraine" arose, spelled out in the constitution of the same year.

        Not certainly in that way:

        At the end of the XIV century, after the Galician dynasty ended, the city of Lvov was captured by the Polish king Casimir III and, having become part of the Polish state, until the end of the XNUMXth century, it was the Polish city of Leopolis.
  • Teacher Offline Teacher
    Teacher (Wise) April 29 2022 19: 13
    +3
    The Southwestern Federal District should be formalized with the capital in Donetsk. The rest in the regions as part of the SWFD. Issue with Kherson and Odessa regions. It is expedient to attach the first to the Crimea, and to re-establish the regional center in the second, it should become Tiraspol. Odessa greatly discredited itself during the Nazi coven. Let it remain a major trading financial center, but without power! The power will be in the time-tested and not surrendered Tiraspol.
  • Bakht Online Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) April 29 2022 19: 21
    +5
    For example, the DPR and LPR can officially unite into the Federal Republic of Novorossia

    Maybe they can. But 8 years still did not unite. I don’t know what pitfalls there were, but there was never any talk of unification. Rather, such conversations periodically appeared in the blogosphere, but at the official level, neither Lugansk nor Donetsk ever agreed to this.

    LPR and DPR are officially recognized by Russia as independent states. Yes, you can always make any other decision, but in February, just such a decision was made. Even in February, with the threat of an attack, the LDNR (as the basis of Novorossia) did not appear. Was it a wrong decision (recognition of the LNR and DNR)? Probably yes. It was possible to help them without official recognition. The correct decision would be to declare an independent New Russia. Within the administrative boundaries of the two districts.

    Now the picture has changed dramatically. It is impossible to give the captured Kyiv under any circumstances. This will mean a complete loss of confidence of the entire Russian population of Ukraine. Yes, and Russia too.
    So it is necessary to continue the military operation to the limits of some regions. These are Odessa, Nikolaev, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov. If possible, then Sumy, Poltava and Kirovograd. This is the maximum that is possible (at the moment). This option means a complete cessation of the negotiation process. And the destruction of the state of Ukraine in its current borders.

    The military part of the operation must be completed as soon as possible. The main efforts after the military phase should be transferred to the economic plane and confrontation with Europe. And of course, the speedy restoration of normal life in Novorossiya.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) April 30 2022 07: 51
      -4
      Maybe they can. But 8 years still did not unite. I don’t know what pitfalls there were, but there was never any talk of unification.

      Everything is very simple: nobody in the Kremlin needed them, and they wanted to give them to Ukraine. Therefore, they did not unite and did not arm, because there was no need.

      Now the picture has changed dramatically. It is impossible to give the captured Kyiv under any circumstances. This will mean a complete loss of confidence of the entire Russian population of Ukraine. Yes, and Russia too.
      So it is necessary to continue the military operation to the limits of some regions. These are Odessa, Nikolaev, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov. If possible, then Sumy, Poltava and Kirovograd. This is the maximum that is possible (at the moment). This option means a complete cessation of the negotiation process. And the destruction of the state of Ukraine in its current borders.

      It won't be enough. The pause means the resumption of an even more terrible war.

      The correct decision would be to declare an independent New Russia. Within the administrative boundaries of the two districts.

      This can be done without any problems right now by signing an appropriate agreement between the DPR and the LPR.
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  • cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) April 29 2022 19: 39
    +1
    Isn't it necessary to first create a "security belt" for Russian territory, and only then take a close look at the utilization of the forces of the Ukronazis in the south of former Ukraine? ...
    1. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
      DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) April 30 2022 15: 57
      0
      Good idea. I support! And the most interesting thing is that this belt is already being created.
  • InanRom Offline InanRom
    InanRom (Ivan) April 29 2022 19: 55
    +3
    Any stubs from Nazi Ukraine will be a source of terrorism and constant danger. We need the whole area. No Galicia Poland, etc.

    “What are you, a son of a bitch, an impostor, squandering government lands?! So after all, you won’t save up any volosts!

    As for the population, you will have to work - from education and the media to changing the mentality. The Nazis, their accomplices and war criminals are the ultimate measure. Prisoners of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - to restore what they have destroyed. Pro-Bandera elements, including the western regions - a "corridor" to the west, let the FSB and the Russian Guard deal with further filtering and trapping of those remaining on the ground and hiding. The only trouble is that the Russian authorities do not announce anything intelligible, do not explain, and even do not seem too represents, acting not strategically, but situationally and belatedly. Instead of strictly specific goals and their steady implementation, there are muddy negotiations and trade with obvious enemies (including paying for transit to Ukraine). Instead of strikes on decision-making centers - "tightening" the position of the Foreign Ministry:

    16.55 Russian Foreign Ministry: in response to the actions of the West, the format of communication between foreign diplomats and Russian government agencies has been tightened - all contacts are now only through the Foreign Ministry.

    17.40 The head of Crimea, Sergei Aksyonov, threatened to lead Ukrainian nationalists in chains through Mariupol.

    16.50 Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee, General Zavarzin, called for missile strikes on headquarters in Kyiv and Lvov.

    If you think that this thing is not a tranclucator, it will be the last thought in your Chatlan head!

    Threats, promises for the umpteenth time, but the WHO (CPR) is still there.

    The head of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, Nabiullina, announced that the Bank of Russia is preparing measures to protect frozen reserves. The Bank of Russia is preparing protection measures for frozen reserves, including legal ones. “Is there any certainty that we will be allowed to use legal protection measures? We found ourselves in a situation where many institutions have either been canceled or are close to being canceled,” she stressed. News

    Backdated protection is generally the height of absurdity. "We were"?! Not us, but you! Neither plumber Ivanov nor fitter Petrov keep their stash in John's or Adam's pocket. And, claims against those who froze, but the funds placed there by you (without prior insurance, guarantees or "protection") cannot have any positive decision, due to the control of international judicial instances by the West. By the way, why were these funds (excessively huge) not directed inward, to boost the economy and the well-being of the people of Russia, but "stupidly" kept by a potential adversary, even with minus interest?!
    In general, someone makes a good face on a bad game, but at the same time, as always, no one is to blame.
    With such "brilliant" managers and performers, the fate of the liberated regions hangs in the air.
    1. Orthodox Offline Orthodox
      Orthodox (Orthodox) April 30 2022 09: 30
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      Support Ivan!

      InanRom (Ivan) Yesterday, 19:55

      Any stubs from Nazi Ukraine will be a source of terrorism and constant danger. We need the whole area. No Galicia Poland, etc.
  • 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) April 29 2022 20: 35
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    For more than two months of a military special operation in Ukraine, President Putin has not bothered to tell what kind of fate awaits the former Nezalezhnaya after the completion of its demilitarization and denazification.

    Oh really? belay Should I have?
    Maybe just career growth does not allow you to get acquainted with the plans before the completion of the operation?
    This is probably not lower than the level of a member of the security council. smile
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) April 30 2022 07: 54
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      Oh really? belay Should I have?

      imagine this. Having arranged the NWO and brought the world to the brink of nuclear war, he is obliged to explain to his citizens and the citizens of Ukraine why exactly all this is being done.
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) April 30 2022 13: 06
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        imagine this. Having arranged the NWO and brought the world to the brink of nuclear war, he is obliged to explain to his citizens and the citizens of Ukraine why exactly all this is being done.

        Arranging SVO? Is this the one you've been calling for for years? It turns out that you advised your country to be nasty? sad So-so position negative petty instigator and provocateur.
        Bringing the world to the brink of nuclear war? Really? What kind of fright is this? Who told you such nonsense?
        For the sake of what this is being done, it has been said more than once, but for some reason you decided that you want to know

        what kind of fate is prepared for the former Independent after the completion of its demilitarization and denazification

        All the same, these are slightly different requests, the purpose of the operation and plans for its completion, don't you think? It is premature to say what fate awaits after completion, since the operation itself is still underway. If you do not have enough information and want to know more, you can send a request individually to the link:
        http://letters.kremlin.ru/
        And yes, he owes nothing to the citizens of Ukraine, they have their own president, let them choose and ask him.
      2. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
        DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) April 30 2022 16: 02
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        As long as there is no war. Explanations are given to all. Not understood? Is Putin to blame? You already decide who this world brings to such a brink. Obviously not Russia. Or do you have a different opinion? Although you are peculiar in your judgments. Not right, not logical, not original - no, exactly, original and no more. The most interesting, become unoriginal. Not given?
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    2. Gelos Offline Gelos
      Gelos (Gelos) 5 May 2022 00: 59
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      Putin?... Hmm...
  • Wowa127 Offline Wowa127
    Wowa127 (Vladimir Maksimenko) April 29 2022 21: 01
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    The main thing is that there should be no new Mazeppas.
    1. Vdars Offline Vdars
      Vdars (Victor) April 30 2022 02: 00
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      This is the most important thing, what would it be without the "new Mazepas".
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) April 29 2022 21: 16
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    Wah! Should, should not .... as ordered. so be it.
    There is no big difference which puppet republics to create, and which of the MMMshnikov or bloggers to appoint to steer.

    Or it's all over. but they won't tell the truth. or not decided, and they will not say either.

    And all these negotiations, statements, chatter - this is to divert attention and PR.
    1. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
      DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) April 30 2022 16: 04
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      Why do you need the truth? What will you do with her? You can't jump above your head. It's definitely about you.)
      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) April 30 2022 22: 07
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        if you’re being rude, it means you’re hurt, but there’s nothing to say ...
        1. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
          DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 1 May 2022 03: 05
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          Are you squeamish? Exactly, this is exactly the word that expresses your activity here.
  • kalita Offline kalita
    kalita (Alexander) April 29 2022 21: 24
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    It is necessary to reunite the entire South-East and only after that accept everyone into Russia.
  • Kulikov Victor Offline Kulikov Victor
    Kulikov Victor (Victor) April 29 2022 22: 37
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    At the transitional stage, the creation of the Kherson Republic or region as part of Novorossia, as historical experience shows, is expedient. It is quite obvious that it is necessary to create the Liberation Army of Ukraine right now, which should take part in the liberation of Ukraine from the Nazi bastards, and later on, take on the main fight against the Bandera underground.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) April 30 2022 07: 53
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      Yes, you first need to disconnect them from Ukraine, attaching them to the LDNR for a transitional period (you need to live somehow), then you can join the Russian Federation. And yes, the Liberation Army needed to be formed even before the start of the NWO.
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  • vlad127490 Online vlad127490
    vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) April 29 2022 23: 21
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    It is urgently necessary for the Russian Federation, as the owner of the territory of the former USSR republic of Ukraine, to secure Russia's ownership of this territory by legislative means, unilaterally. Then the issue of bringing troops of Poland, Romania, Hungary into the territory of Ukraine and the annexation of Ukraine by these countries will automatically disappear.
    For example, in 2005, China passed the "Law on Anti-Secession of the State." According to the document, in the event of a threat to the peaceful reunification of the mainland and Taiwan, the PRC government is obliged to resort to force and other necessary methods to preserve its territorial integrity.
    The absence of a law stating that the territory of Ukraine is the property of Russia allows the enemies of Russia to interpret the ongoing special military operation as aggression and occupation by Russia of a foreign state.
    There is only one decision on Ukraine in favor of Russia. The state of Ukraine must cease to exist. The entire territory of Ukraine should return to Russia, in the form of regions and republics.
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    2. Vdars Offline Vdars
      Vdars (Victor) April 30 2022 02: 06
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      The most important thing here is that new
      Mazepas or Bendera did not form?
    3. Orthodox Offline Orthodox
      Orthodox (Orthodox) April 30 2022 09: 44
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      Very correct thought!

      vlad127490 (Vlad Gor) Yesterday, 23:21

      It is urgently necessary for the Russian Federation, as the owner of the territory of the former USSR republic of Ukraine, to secure Russia's ownership of this territory by legislative means, unilaterally. ...
      The absence of a law stating that the territory of Ukraine is the property of Russia allows the enemies of Russia to interpret the ongoing special military operation as aggression and occupation by Russia of a foreign state.
      There is only one decision on Ukraine in favor of Russia. The state of Ukraine must cease to exist. The entire territory of Ukraine should return to Russia, in the form of regions and republics.
  • Observer2014 Offline Observer2014
    Observer2014 April 30 2022 06: 59
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    XNR well, voOshche! laughing Seems like a simple thing to me. LDNR, like the KhNR, will become part of Russia. And the rest. The rest for later. Unless, of course, we survive the nuclear apocalypse.
  • Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) April 30 2022 07: 56
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    Quote: Observer2014
    XNR well, voOshche! laughing It seems to me a simple thing. The LDNR, like the KhNR, will become part of Russia. And the rest. The rest for later. Unless, of course, we survive the nuclear apocalypse.

    It's better than HerNR. After all, there is still Kharkiv region. also XNR, if that.
  • Kofesan Offline Kofesan
    Kofesan (Valery) April 30 2022 08: 30
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    It is not for nothing that "Wedding in Malinovka" was banned in Ukraine. Walk the field, in itself - farm thinking. And for demilitarization-denazification with a bang, the Kherson Republic, the Odessa Khaganate, and the Dnepropetrovsk province are needed. More "republics". Small and Small. More farms. The great is known in comparison...

    And with comparisons with the petty psychology of sadistic egoism, which is the essence of all Ukrainian "farmers" now, at the moment ... (Just look with what indifference Ukrainians talk about 8 years of Donbass bombing.) ...

    So ... in comparison, the order of normal human relationships will always win (invented not by us and not even by Ukrainians). In the State!!! Where neighbors live peacefully. They do not jump, instead of measured movements at a construction site. Do not yell about Russia ...

    We need, we really need the transitional-sobering period of the Legiono "walk-the-pole". At least for comparison, those who restore the Bandera grin and those who return to normal life. For the slow-witted, go through the denazifying roller again and again. Or maybe more than once. Let them learn from their own mistakes, if they learn from strangers - God "understood" offended.

    In the end, they will restore their farms themselves. Fascism is a destructive tornado, no matter whose nationality it would infect. They destroyed themselves, building the Gestapo order ... who is to blame for them? We will help the sane. By naedekvatami - one more time ...
  • Dust Offline Dust
    Dust (Sergei) April 30 2022 09: 15
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    When the war started, four days later Putin proposed negotiations. They were rejected. Then there were only three regions of Crimea, LPR and DPR. If Zelensky immediately agreed on Russia's terms. All the regions of Ukraine that were under Russia would be returned. After two months of war. Russia left the three regions of Kyiv, Chernigov and Sumy. Hoping that Kyiv will negotiate. But Kyiv refused. During these two months, Ukraine's losses are large, and Russia, unfortunately, also has them. The longer the war, the less likely it is that Kyiv will return the territories that were ceded to Russia. I think it’s already too late for Zelensky to return the territories. Since colossal funds and the lives of soldiers have been spent. If the territories are returned to Zelensky, a question will immediately arise for Putin. Why did they capture for the sake of what they died in the given territories? Why such sacrifices? This will hit Putin's ratings and reputation sharply.
    1. guest Offline guest
      guest 5 May 2022 17: 34
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      About the problems that will arise in the Crimea in the event of the return of these territories to Ukraine, too, should not be forgotten.
  • dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) April 30 2022 10: 20
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    Quote: Marzhetsky
    Maybe they can. But 8 years still did not unite. I don’t know what pitfalls there were, but there was never any talk of unification.

    Everything is very simple: nobody in the Kremlin needed them, and they wanted to give them to Ukraine. Therefore, they did not unite and did not arm, because there was no need.

    Now the picture has changed dramatically. It is impossible to give the captured Kyiv under any circumstances. This will mean a complete loss of confidence of the entire Russian population of Ukraine. Yes, and Russia too.
    So it is necessary to continue the military operation to the limits of some regions. These are Odessa, Nikolaev, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov. If possible, then Sumy, Poltava and Kirovograd. This is the maximum that is possible (at the moment). This option means a complete cessation of the negotiation process. And the destruction of the state of Ukraine in its current borders.

    It won't be enough. The pause means the resumption of an even more terrible war.

    The correct decision would be to declare an independent New Russia. Within the administrative boundaries of the two districts.

    This can be done without any problems right now by signing an appropriate agreement between the DPR and the LPR.

    As always, you are wrong. The unification of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions (republics) in TOM, a cropped form is-
    Creation of a new, nowhere prescribed structural unit, absent in the Minsk Agreement. AT ALL, ANYWHERE. Therefore, this entity had to be recognized. That is, to break the Minsk agreements. That is, to recognize it in a microscopic form, or to initiate a war to occupy its administrative borders, which would then also look like ..... You should have thought first, before writing.
    Well, 24 happened AFTER the green one directly said that he would not comply with the Minsk agreements, after intelligence had accurately established plans for the capture (the concentration of troops was not in vain, to which we answered in the same way), and put an end to the decision green, declaring a desire to acquire nuclear weapons. In THESE conditions, to remain silent is to raise your hands up. Therefore, the recognition of the republics followed, and, as an incident, there was a threat of an attack on them by the entire armada of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (shelling, which intensified as a harbinger of an offensive).
  • dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) April 30 2022 10: 43
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    Quote: Viktor Kulikov
    At the transitional stage, the creation of the Kherson Republic or region as part of Novorossia, as historical experience shows, is expedient. It is quite obvious that it is necessary to create the Liberation Army of Ukraine right now, which should take part in the liberation of Ukraine from the Nazi bastards, and later on, take on the main fight against the Bandera underground.

    If you have plans in the future (perhaps not near) for the annexation of the South-Eastern regions of Ukraine to Russia, which is vital to ensure that the past does not repeat, and mastering access to the Black and Azov Seas along the entire former Ukrainian coast, you need to accept these areas (the best option ) regions, not republics. Or, one republic, for example, Novorossiysk. I don’t know how anyone, but I PERSONALLY (I may be wrong, therefore, I emphasize), we have too many Presidents in Russia, and there will be even more. The president must be alone. Of course, all procedures must be followed. And so that the doubters do not doubt, organize tours from Novorossia (future) to the city of Grozny. To show what they could have. It will take years to reverse the desire of separatists to give them such an opportunity.
  • Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) April 30 2022 14: 02
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    perhaps now is not the time to designate some final goals. What can be said for sure is that Ukraine will not be the same as two months ago. But where the border will pass is not yet clear.

    It is difficult to say what the mood in Ukraine really is. Most are afraid to express their opinion, possible criticism of the regime or sympathy for the Russian operation. Of course, a huge mass is actually fiercely angry with Russia in connection with the operation, mostly young people. But the Kyiv regime itself is also hated by many in Ukraine. .

    The fact that Russia is not moving forward is presented by the regime as resilience. The West is screaming for victory. But time goes by. Residents of Ukraine (whether western or eastern) want to live on. They see the economic consequences of continuing the war. A protracted conflict is not a good prospect, it will not be easy for Ukrainians to sell such a "necessity". Recapture the Donbass back? People see that the inhabitants of the liberated territories do not want to "go back." Especially the residents of Donbass. It will be more and more difficult to drive Ukrainians to such a war. Citizenship will also fade away, the economy is falling. Endure for the reward at the end! The West will help. But this patience has its limits. It is not clear how long it will last, but it certainly will not last forever. One way or another, either a military victory or peace and reward from the West (in the form of EU accession, immediate) will be needed.

    If there is no military victory or accession to the EU for a long time, and the prospects will also be vague ... then much will depend on the Russian economy. If the Russian economy holds on, if the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions are a worthy example, then maybe the regions of Ukraine themselves will begin to decide with whom they should be next ...
  • 1_2 Offline 1_2
    1_2 (Ducks are flying) 1 May 2022 01: 01
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    the formation of the LDNR (the Kremlin - it has nothing to do with it, "he himself came") and their late recognition by the Kremlin, I think, is explained by the Kremlin's fear that maximum sanctions will be imposed and SP2 will not be launched ... now that all this has already happened)) the Kremlin can openly spit on international law and declare territories as their own without holding referendums and other crap in the form of republics
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  • Ingvar7 Offline Ingvar7
    Ingvar7 (Ingvar Miller) 3 May 2022 13: 21
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    The purpose of the special operation is the denazification of territories. And that could mean a lot. There is no point in playing political decency in today's mores. And yes, the game of republics for Russia will not bring any benefit in the future.
  • akm8226 Offline akm8226
    akm8226 5 May 2022 12: 48
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    There can be no separate area! There should be Novorossiya within Russia and no nails. No ukromova, only Russian at the state level! The official language of Novorossiya should be Russian, as well as on TV. All ukromova - in a separate status, like a local surzhik, especially since not a single ukropadal can neither write nor speak on it!
  • guest Offline guest
    guest 5 May 2022 17: 27
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    The title of the article is somehow strange and, in my opinion, not entirely suitable, but I agree that throughout this territory liberated from Banderva power, one common line should be pursued to integrate with Russia and join it. Doing all this in eight separate republics is not particularly advisable.