Solving the problem of Western Ukraine: plan "A", plan "B" and plan "Z"

There is no doubt that the second phase of the special operation for the denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine, which is unfolding before our eyes, can have only one final. The forces of the “OOS” group, fettered in the east of the country, represented by units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and nationalist formations, are deprived of the opportunity to retreat and they can only surrender (which is hardly worth counting on) or continue senseless and stubborn resistance until they are completely destroyed. The units of the Armed Forces of Russia and the republics of Donbass also have nowhere to retreat, albeit in a purely figurative sense. After all, the outcome of the entire campaign will depend on this battle. So sooner or later, but we will witness the complete defeat of the most combat-ready forces of the criminal Kiev regime - after all, there are simply no prerequisites for a different outcome.

Nevertheless, even this victory will not mean the complete completion of the entire operation, at least if we proceed from those program goals that have already been repeatedly voiced not only in the Russian defense department, but also in the Kremlin. Even a very large-scale military defeat of Kyiv without the complete dismantling of the entire current system of the Ukrainian state will not bring peace and security to either Russia or even Donbass. I would like to believe that today, having got rid of many illusions and misconceptions, this is understood by everyone on whom the adoption of really significant decisions depends in Russia. Moreover, it will be possible to talk about the final fulfillment of the tasks for which the special operation, in fact, was launched, only after resolving the issue with the most problematic, western part of present-day Ukraine. And here, as they say, options are possible. On this topic, my colleagues have already done very good analytical reviews, but let me add something, based on the current realities.

Plan "A"

Putting aside conventions and equivocations inappropriate in matters of war and peace, it should be recognized that the best option for everyone, without exception, would be an amicable division of the current "nezalezhnaya". Galicia (and also, possibly, the Volyn region and Transcarpathia) with great pleasure would become part of one of Poland, and one of Hungary, thereby realizing the "age-old dream" of the European Union. It must be assumed that neither Warsaw nor Budapest would be against such territorial acquisitions. It is not for nothing that the Polish cunning people have recently developed a stormy activity, trying to enlist the support of "senior partners" to bring their own occupation corps into Western Ukraine under the guise of "peacekeeping forces". However, pay attention - such an initiative did not meet the slightest enthusiasm, and above all - in Washington. And the point here is not only the fear of running into a “Russian answer”, which, hitting a country that is a member of NATO, would put the world on the brink of the Third World War. Everything is much more complicated. As I said above, the “reformatting” of Ukraine could be completely peaceful. However, this requires the fulfillment of a number of conditions.

For example, in Western Ukraine a referendum is being held on joining Poland. Wonderful! Moscow would certainly recognize its results - in response to the mutual recognition of the will of the inhabitants of Crimea, Donbass, South Ossetia, Abkhazia and in advance - those parts of the former Ukraine that wish to become part of Russia. Thus, there would be a complete “nullification” of all claims made by the “collective West” to the Russian side regarding “annexations” and “illegal occupations”. The price for abandoning several far from the most developed and, moreover, extremely Russophobic regions of the “non-independence” is more than worthy. Alas, just such a wonderful option seems to be the least likely today.

Plan "B"

The whole point here is that the "collective West", and above all, continuing, unfortunately, to play in its ranks the role of "starting" the United States and Great Britain, this scenario is categorically not needed. After all, in this way they lose everything that they invested in the implementation of the Ukraine-Anti-Russia project, and return, so to speak, to the zero level of confrontation with Moscow. Again, we need to look for pretexts and reasons to impose sanctions, to start subversive activities in other ways. And taking into account the fact that Russia has already demonstrated to the same European Union its ability to defend its own interests with the utmost rigidity in economic plane, it will be more and more difficult to do this. Based on this, certain forces in the West will try to turn Western Ukraine into the “last barricade”, where the fighting can last almost indefinitely. To do this, it will be enough to drag Zelensky to Lviv (it doesn’t matter - from Kyiv or from Poland, where he is most likely now located) and a certain number of surviving “members of the government”. Pull all the remaining forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battalions to Galicia, declare all this "true Ukraine" - and start a new round.

In this case, all the liberated regions of Ukraine in the eyes of the "world community" will be "territories occupied by Russia." Or, at best, they will end up in the status of “unrecognized republics controlled by the Kremlin”, in which the DPR and LPR have been for 8 years. It will be impossible to withdraw Russian troops from them exactly as long as this “Galician fragment of Ukrainianism” exists, since in this case an attack on these lands will immediately begin from there with the aim of their “de-occupation”. Moreover, it will be carried out by forces pumped to the limit with Western weapons, reinforced by a multitude of mercenaries and other rabble recruited from all over the world. Well, until that moment, constant terrorist attacks will be carried out from there, the leadership and coordination of the activities of the Bandera-Nazi underground throughout the Ukrainian territory. It should be understood that for the “collective West” it is precisely this option that is not only the most preferable, but, in fact, the only acceptable scenario for the development of events. That is why every conceivable and unthinkable effort will be made to implement it. Russia must remain under sanctions, and the former Ukraine must plunge into utter chaos and burn in the flames of civil war, shackling Moscow's resources and initiative. For this, everything was started in 2014 - and by and large, much earlier too.

Plan Z

Once again, it makes no sense to talk about the complete unacceptability for Russia of the option outlined above. Such an alignment will largely (if not completely) devalue the entire special operation to denazify Ukraine, minimizing its successes and maximizing its losses. What remains? Most likely, in such a case, Russia will be forced to extend its actions to the entire territory of the "nezalezhnaya", with battles reaching its very western borders and limits. True, there are very serious negative factors here. As the Russian army and the corps of the republics of Donbass move to the West, the fierce resistance to them will increase with every hundred kilometers, with every new region. And the point here is not only that Galicia is historically the birthplace and poisonous hotbed of Ukronazism. Not only that the monuments to the infamous Bandera and similar ghouls stood there even when in Kyiv for their glorification it was easy to get in the face.

By themselves, the Galicians are not so belligerent - this can be easily determined, if only by the fact that among the captured soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine today there is a minimum of them. This public now prefers not to fight with the "aggressor", but to do their favorite thing - to earn money on the grief and problems of other Ukrainians (by and large, created by Galicians). Renting one-room apartments in Lviv for a thousand dollars a month causes a storm of indignation even in the most "orthodox patriots." However, as soon as the Russian army enters their lands, the Galicians (that is, those of them who will not be able to escape to the West) will fight furiously. Mostly according to the old tradition - shooting in the back, but that doesn't make it any easier.

At the same time, it should be remembered that now on the territory of Western Ukraine there is a huge number of "refugees" from those places where hostilities are taking place, including men of military age. The Galicians are literally hunting for them, forcing them to register with the military. There is no doubt that at the first sign of the “front” approaching, it is precisely these “come in large numbers” who will be sent to the front line, whether they want it or not. It is clear that the price of such an army will be small, but behind their backs, Nazi battalions and local Bandera will stand as detachments.

Again, according to available data, the lion's share of the weapons supplied by the "allies" today settles just in Galicia - so they will be able to equip this rabble quite seriously. The Carpathians are, of course, not the mountains of Afghanistan or the same Chechnya, but it will not be so easy to conduct military operations there either. In a word, the conduct of a special operation on the territory of Western Ukraine can be the most protracted, bloody and costly. A reasonable enough solution in this aspect is the “Syrian option” – the creation of a volunteer People’s Liberation Army in the liberated territories of Ukraine, on the shoulders of the fighters of which the main burden of “cleansing” Galicia from the most rabid and hardened Nazis who have dug in there will fall. Naturally, with the support of the Russian army, primarily its VKS. However, even for such an option, there may be very serious obstacles.

Convinced that the task of retaining control over even a small part of the “non-collateral” may turn out to be impossible, the “collective West” is capable of taking the most extreme measures. That is, for the "hybrid occupation" of Galicia with the introduction of a "peacekeeping contingent" there, consisting either of the forces of the states of Eastern Europe, or, even worse, of the contingents provided by all NATO members. Naturally, in this case, a "no-fly zone" will be introduced over this region. Then Russia will face an extremely difficult choice - either put up with the situation described in the previous paragraph, or enter into an open conflict with the North Atlantic Alliance. It would seem that throughout the entire special operation in Ukraine, NATO has repeatedly declared its unwillingness to enter into an armed confrontation with Moscow and has confirmed this in practice no fewer times. However, who knows what they will dare to do when it comes to the complete defeat of the Kiev regime, which means their defeat.

In any case, the whole range of issues of this kind should be worked out now, despite the fact that they may not seem very relevant to some at this stage of the special operation. They will have to be solved in any case, and it would be better as it is necessary for the good of Russia and the Ukrainian people liberated by it.
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  1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) April 1 2022 09: 55
    Fragment of a note by a member of the State Council P.N. Durnovo to Emperor Nicholas II (submitted in February 1914)
    "Russia will be plunged into hopeless anarchy, the outcome of which is difficult to foresee"
    Published in the magazine "Krasnaya Nov", No. 6, 1922
    ... Exactly the same with respect to Galicia. It is clearly unprofitable for us, in the name of the idea of ​​national sentimentalism, to annex to our fatherland a region that has lost all living connection with it. After all, for an insignificant handful of Russian Galicians in spirit, how many Poles, Jews, Ukrainianized Uniates will we get? The so-called Ukrainian or Mazepa movement is not terrible with us now, but it should not be allowed to grow, increasing the number of restless Ukrainian elements, since in this movement there is an undoubted germ of an extremely dangerous Little Russian separatism, under favorable conditions, which can reach completely unexpected dimensions.

    Prophetic words of a statesman. Probably, the greed of Poland will outweigh all the arguments of the Anglo-Saxons with the promise to give her Galicia. This is the great dream of all Poles. And they will gladly annex this territory to their lands. Are Romanians and Hungarians red-haired?
  2. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) April 1 2022 10: 23
    For example, a referendum on joining Poland is being held in Western Ukraine. Wonderful! Moscow would certainly recognize its results - in response to the mutual recognition of the will of the inhabitants of Crimea, Donbass, South Ossetia, Abkhazia and, in advance, those parts of the former Ukraine that wish to become part of Russia.

    It is not a good idea to give the Polish lords territory in the hope of legitimization in the eyes of the “world community”. Sanctions are, have been and will be, it is not so important how they are justified. Just now im

    Again, we need to look for pretexts and reasons to impose sanctions, to start subversive activities in other ways.

    And be sure they will find them or invent them yes

    In any case, the region will be "pumped up with anti-Russian doping", subversion will continue, the ever-hungry Polish hyena will never stop. The region will most likely need to apply "intensive care measures" from the Russian Ministry of Defense in the future. It is more convenient to do this if the region is not under the official roof of NATO, and once it becomes part of Poland, it will end up there.
    By the way, this contradicts Russia's demands to stop NATO's further advance to the east. Which by the way is one of the reasons for the military operation in Ukraine.

    Putin said this when asked by a Sky news correspondent whether Russia could give unconditional guarantees that it would not invade Ukraine. The Russian president said that Russia's actions would depend entirely on "the unconditional provision of Russia's security today and in the historical future."
    According to him, "the further movement of NATO to the East is unacceptable" for Russia.
    He suggested presenting the reaction of the United States to how "if the Russian Federation deployed missiles on the border of the United States and Canada or the United States and Mexico", asking the question: "Are we putting missiles near the borders of the United States?"
    The Russian president said that what matters to Russia is not the course of negotiations, but the result, denoting this result: “five waves of NATO expansion. And now in Romania, in Poland, corresponding systems are appearing.” Putin said that it is not Russia that threatens anyone.
    “They came to us, and now Ukraine will also be in NATO. This means that there will also be bases and strike weapons systems. This is what we are talking about, and you demand some kind of guarantees from me,” he said, and ended his answer with an exclamation, addressing the West: “You must give us guarantees. Immediately, now."
  3. Vladimir Golubenko (Vladimir Golubenko) April 1 2022 11: 54
    Drive from everywhere! To the point of total annihilation. Galicians can drape to Poland. Who does not have time, the road to Kolyma. She is known to their grandfathers. Paved. There will be no time to fight on a herring and on wheelbarrows.
    1. calagin407 Offline calagin407
      calagin407 (Mechanic) April 1 2022 20: 48
      They won't be happy in Kolyma...
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  5. 1_2 Offline 1_2
    1_2 (Ducks are flying) April 1 2022 13: 45
    the western regions with nuclear power plants cannot be given away, which means that Rivne and the Khmelnytsky region must be taken away in any way, but there are also a lot of remaining 6 Zapadensky regions for Bandera cattle, but I think there are such plans (to leave the Zapadensky regions to the Banderas), otherwise they would not have negotiated. although in fairness this is also Russian land, and it will certainly be occupied by NATO, they do not care about treaties.
    if there is no Russian base
  6. Killed by Kenobi April 1 2022 15: 40
    If Ukraine ceases to exist as a state, then again we will have only the army and navy as allies. So it must stay and vote and support Russia EVERYWHERE.
    To give some territory or not?
    Depends on the scale of the personality and ambitions of those who started the NWO. I would like to think that Putin has the whole territory in his mind. And to give some small part in exchange / exchange is in the most negative options. And ONLY in exchange for recognizing everything else as ours. Squeeze all the scum into Galicia, put up a fence and iron them there day and night like they are Donbass. And when they begin to suffer for them, that's when, in exchange for recognition.
    No military units, no self-defense, no military-industrial complex should remain in Ukraine. Just as Germany feeds and maintains amers after WWII in exchange for protection, so let independent Germany ensure its independence by supporting and feeding our military, considerable contingent. And according to the constitution, it is the most neutral and non-aligned of the neutrals. Under our allied protection.
    The NWO should end with the signing of the capitulation of the Nazi criminal regime, and not with negotiations and treaties. Denazification is impossible without official recognition of the regime as criminal. Why did the people themselves become nazified? And when signing the surrender, international representatives from Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Belarus, etc. must be present. They must see, photograph and tell at home how the acts of surrender are signed and how sad and humiliating it is. And draw conclusions.
    And probably a lot more. So that for 100 years, no less, neither Ukraine nor the rest can expect a shot in the back.
    Another Nuremberg trial is to take place in Donbass...
  7. molotkov60mkpu Offline molotkov60mkpu
    molotkov60mkpu (Yuri) April 1 2022 15: 47
    However, who knows what they will dare to do when it comes to...

    - maybe they think about us that way, and maybe we will go to extreme measures if we are forced to. Why do we always think about the consequences and soften the situation. We have accustomed the West to impunity. Ammunition would be enough.
  8. Vladimir1155 Offline Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) April 1 2022 20: 11
    it is obvious that there can be only one plan, the complete liberation of the former Ukraine and the creation of several republics dependent on Russia on it, with the resettlement of Russophobic elements to Europe or Magadan
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  10. opportunist Offline opportunist
    opportunist (dim) April 1 2022 21: 54
    Russia is not ready to play this game of cat and mouse for a long time..... Now we all know that this war between Russia and Ukraine is essentially a war between Russia and NATO, and Ukraine is used as an intermediary. 40 foreign mercenaries are already fighting on the side of the Nazi regime, even more intend to come in the future ... The dollar flows in abundance to recruit a variety of criminals from Latin America to Africa to terrorists from Syria. NATO countries provide all kinds of support for the Nazi regime from military equipment to combat aircraft. Russia will simply liberate the eastern territories and then we will tell them all to sit down at the table to decide the fate of the western Ukraine. they want to divide Western Ukraine into spheres of influence, they want to preserve it as a whole, this is completely their problem .... But if they want to continue using the Nazi regime in Galicia until the end of the war against the Russians, they recruit kov from Latin America and terrorists, then there is another nuclear option an attack on Bandera's hometown of Lvov.. the missile can be enriched with a small nuclear warhead of limited power, one hit would be enough ... Why not; Do you think that the Anglo-Saxons and Jews now sitting in villas in Miami would risk a nuclear war for the sake of Galicia?
  11. bsb Offline bsb
    bsb (Boris Babitsky) April 2 2022 13: 34
    One of the goals of the special operation is denazification. One of the methods of denazification is the physical elimination of the carriers of the Bandera ideology. Having committed mass murder without trial or investigation of civilians, after exhausting bullets and shells, Bandera surrenders, where they are provided with living conditions, food, and treatment. For Bandera, the moratorium on the death penalty should be lifted. They must be mercilessly destroyed like rabid dogs. Only in this way will the innocent victims be avenged. And no snot about re-education and humanism.
  12. Zenn Offline Zenn
    Zenn (Andrei) April 2 2022 21: 13
    I propose "Plan V" - to leave Kyiv and the Kiev region from Ukraine, to leave Ukraine's debts behind this remaining Ukraine, and this is a rather large amount, for some reason it is not customary to talk about the problem of Ukraine's debts now.
    Squeeze into this enclave from the South, West and East all stoned Ukrainians, let them enjoy independence, Bandera and democracy. It would be easier to control such an enclave than Western Ukraine adjacent to Poland.
    Why not a plan? )))
  13. RoTTor Offline RoTTor
    RoTTor April 2 2022 22: 22
    Attach Western Ukraine to the Chechen Republic, where there is not enough land.
    This will be both fair and will get rid of Bandera forever, and will improve the rotten gene pool of these areas
    1. alexneg13 Offline alexneg13
      alexneg13 (Alexander) April 2 2022 22: 46
      Clean up the entire Western Ruin from the Nazis and populate this land with willing Chechens and Banderaism will never be revived there. It's like thinking out loud, but as you know, thought is material.
      1. Smirnoff Offline Smirnoff
        Smirnoff (Victor) April 3 2022 01: 31
        The right decision. The Chechen guys will put things in order there.
  14. Smirnoff Offline Smirnoff
    Smirnoff (Victor) April 3 2022 01: 29
    There is only one solution - to squeeze out to Europe, and not to give up the territory. Because the United States will turn them into its military bases for terrorism against Russia. Bandera rob ordinary Ukrainians, destroy and destroy the entire infrastructure of the eastern and central parts of Ukraine. The loot is taken to the west of Ukraine. Western Ukraine must be liberated from Bandera and their henchmen. The US turned them into BEASTS. They need to be driven from Ukraine to Europe. And whoever resists will die under the onslaught of the Russian military.
  15. Marik Offline Marik
    Marik (Marat) April 3 2022 05: 35
    Or maybe give part of the territory of Ukraine to the Kurds. We will finally help them create their own state, I think after this step the Kurds will be the most faithful allies of Russia. By the way, this will partially save Iraq, Syria and Turkey from the eternal Kurdish problem - in this regard, it will be possible to receive certain preferences from these countries for help in solving the problem in the person of the Kurds. To announce to the Kurds themselves: "If you want your own state - welcome to Ukraine - help liberate it from the Nazis together with the Russian Federation - you will have your own state"
  16. Tumanin Offline Tumanin
    Tumanin April 3 2022 13: 40
    There is no good option for Z. Ukraine

    If you have to go there, then only according to the American version of the war. Any attempt at resistance is fire to kill. Destruction of troops in any place: field, fortified area, settlement. Let them save their peacekeeper themselves. If you are not ready for this option, do not start.
  17. akm8226 Offline akm8226
    akm8226 April 3 2022 16: 09
    Based on the current situation. Let's imagine for a second that we would give Donetsk to Ukrainians, counting on their goodwill. What - dill would stop there? Would they take Donetsk for themselves and calm down? Yeah. Right now. Hold your pocket wider! Then we would talk about the Crimea, then about the Kuban ... and so on without end. The conclusion - as far as the Westerners are concerned, there are no options - to take everything to the end, to the very border. At the slightest attempt to resist, demolish all settlements along with the population to the beni, following the example of the actions of the Budyonny Cavalry Corps in Turkestan. I can say that the Westerners will develop a conditioned reflex after our very first application of this strategy - for which the Turkmens are sworn Basmachi, but after the third time all the attacks stopped.
  18. Zubkov61 Offline Zubkov61
    Zubkov61 (Eduard Zubkov) 19 June 2022 17: 13
    As a result of the amicable division, Russophobic Galicia will merge with even more Russophobic Poland. Hell of a mess, I'll tell you. They will forget all their feuds in Russophobic ecstasy. Will not work. Return all Russian lands home, and split the rest into small "principalities". Keep everything under control. Pro-Russian politicians in power and no armed formations, except for the police.