It's time for the Kremlin to decide: "denazification" or "legitimate president" Zelensky?


Quite unexpected statements were made not so long ago by the press secretary of the President of Russia Dmitry Peskov. In particular, he said that Russia is not going to organize any elections after the end of the "non-independence" one now being held on the territory, since it is "another country."


This passage, you see, can be interpreted in such a way that Moscow will not take part in the organization of the political structure of the forcibly “demilitarized” Ukraine. Alas, if we bring the conclusions that follow from here to their logical conclusion, then it turns out that everything will again be left to chance? However, in this case, what is the point in the ongoing military operation now? After all, the reality, to our great regret, extremely convincingly demonstrates that even in the Eastern and South-Eastern regions of the “non-independence” strongly pro-Russian citizens, to put it mildly, do not constitute an absolute majority. And something suggests that after the costs and incidents inevitable during the current events, the number of such incidents will rather decrease than increase.

All this, however, is fixable. However, only through a long, painstaking, professional and extremely massive explanatory and propaganda work, erected in that new formation that will arise on the ruins of the current "nezalezhnaya" to the rank of a priority task, one of the foundations of the state policy. Otherwise, there will be an even deeper split in society than in 2014, which will rapidly worsen and will not lead to anything good (including for Russia).

But who will have to carry out this policy - to heal the minds and souls, to "stitch" the country, at the same time cleansing it from the Nazi-Bandera scum? Really people who came to power "accidentally", without any participation of Russia? I would like to believe that Mr. Peskov meant, after all, purely technical aspects of the “organization of elections” and the refusal to “appoint” candidates to the new government, and even more so, the winners of this election campaign. Indeed, Moscow should not have a hand in this, at least not explicitly and openly. However, it is necessary to guarantee that loyal, sane and at least more or less professional people will receive power in the liberated territories.

However, other words of Dmitry Peskov are even more surprising - that "Vladimir Zelensky is considered in the Kremlin as the legitimate president of Ukraine." Excuse me, but how do you understand this? This was an answer to a direct question from a journalist, and it sounds, you see, very strange - at least after Vladimir Putin's statements about the "denazification" of Ukraine as one of the goals of the operation to force peace. Who, then, are they going to denazify, if not the supreme power of the country that has completely “flipped off the coils”? Nationalist battalions and their command? Well, they will deal with them, there is no doubt, qualitatively. But it won't solve the whole problem. The infection has penetrated deeply and spread throughout the "organism" of the country and, moreover, its state bodies.

After everything that has been done since February 24 of this year, this "legitimate" place can only have one place - in the dock of a military tribunal. As supreme commander, he is fully responsible for everything: deployment of strike weapons and military equipment in residential areas (this is true, I am a witness!), uncontrolled distribution of weapons, which has already led to hundreds of deaths of civilians, ongoing attacks by the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the Donbass, and so on. And most importantly - for refusing to give the only order possible in this situation: to lay down arms and complete surrender. On the contrary, the Kyiv authorities are inciting hatred and pushing the inhabitants of the country to commit suicide.

Agree, such duality gives rise to a certain cognitive dissonance and confusion. What happens? If Zelensky and his gang, faced with the prospect of an absolutely inevitable defeat (when Russian tanks approach Pechersk), agree to sign a surrender, will they be able to negotiate some favorable conditions for themselves? For example, the opportunity to move to London, as suggested by Boris Johnson not so long ago? And even stay in power until the new elections?

It is in connection with this that the new round of negotiations scheduled for the morning of March 3 raises certain concerns. Moreover, it takes place in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, which gives rise to additional negative associations. One fatal betrayal had already been committed there. It is somewhat strange to hear Mr. Medinsky's words about a possible "ceasefire" against the background of completely different statements from Kyiv.

Aleksey Arestovich, adviser to the head of the office of the local president, tells fellow citizens about “the transition of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the counteroffensive”, “the defeat of the elite forces of the enemy” and calls for mercilessly cutting Russian rear units wherever possible. A ceasefire under such conditions? Is it reasonable? Is it allowed? Each new day of silence is an additional opportunity for the Kiev regime to regroup troops and replenish its arsenals. What will be the cost of delay, you can not explain.

I will not assume how such “zigzags” can affect the moral and psychological state of those guys in uniform who today, at the cost of their lives, are clearing Ukraine of Nazi abomination. It is not for me to judge, and I do not consider myself entitled to do so. But on the other hand, I cannot remain silent about the perception of those who are now hostages of the enraged junta and the gangs of marauders and murderers generated by it. The biggest fear for many (believe me, many!) residents of the same Kyiv, where people on the streets are declared “saboteurs” and killed for a few calls to Russian numbers found in the phone book, is not the continuation of a special military operation, but its termination. Or - a suspension for a long time under the guise of "peace talks" and "ceasefire".

The only ending that can put an end to everything that has been happening here and is happening now can be the capture of Kyiv with the immediate overthrow of the criminal clique of Zelensky and company. The question of its legitimacy cannot even be considered theoretically, after all the criminal orders and actions that we have all witnessed in the past days. This gang is completely divorced from reality and no negotiations with its representatives can be effective a priori. Kyiv constantly stirs up the situation, calling under its banners those who are ready to die for the bloody specter of “Ukrainian freedom”. I would like Moscow to give firm hope to others who see liberation in what is happening and fear that it will never come.
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  1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 3 March 2022 12: 55
    -10
    A dead number to play on someone else's field, according to someone else's rules, with someone else's refereeing. With a recently downsized team.
    1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
      Krapilin (Victor) 5 March 2022 19: 25
      0
      And what is here unexpected or incomprehensible for the citizen "Alexander Neukropny, Kyiv"? Those territories that the Red Army will enter and gain a foothold in fact are no longer Ukraine. And where NATO enters, this will be Ukraine. Naturally, Russia will not organize any elections in these Ukrainian territories.
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 March 2022 21: 53
        -6
        There has been no Red Army since 1942. There has been no Soviet Army since 1992. There can be no such armies in a country of wild peripheral comprador capitalism.
  2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 3 March 2022 13: 18
    -11
    Words about capitulation and denationalization disappeared from the rhetoric. And elections without Russian control will lead to the previous state. Due to the intimidation of the local population, and the fear of spoiling relations with the EU, with NATO, new politicians. They are hardly tempted by the prospect of being Cuba-2.

    The only ending that can put an end to everything that has been happening here and is happening now can be the capture of Kyiv with the immediate overthrow of the criminal clique of Zelensky and company.

    This is certainly a spectacular media maneuver. But the city of Grozny was taken by a larger group. With the wide use of all types of conventional weapons and ammunition. Terrible in size and population differs from Kyiv, like an aul from a metropolis.
    1. weddu Offline weddu
      weddu (Kolya) 3 March 2022 16: 17
      +3
      Denationalization and denazification are two very different things. Military operation for demilitarization and denazification. The statements and rhetoric of Russian officials did not mention the terms you mentioned.
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 3 March 2022 16: 28
        -8
        Demilitarization and denazification. were used constantly. In the morning news about the prospect of negotiations, they were no longer mentioned.
        1. zenion Offline zenion
          zenion (zinovy) 6 March 2022 15: 24
          0
          You don't even have to fight! I appointed him president overseas in one state where he will receive underwear and food there.
    2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 3 March 2022 21: 18
      +1
      Words about capitulation and denationalization disappeared from the rhetoric.

      In a hurry, you have already begun to confuse denazification with denationalization.
      Or is google translate bad?
      Demilitarization has not disappeared, of course, after the military capitulation.
      1. weddu Offline weddu
        weddu (Kolya) 3 March 2022 22: 32
        0
        Yes, everything is already demilitarized_bombed. The fascists will be removed from the government of Ukraine by their own, ceasing to be afraid of the National Battalions and the Armenians_avakovs, and that's it ... Russia is fighting fascism in Ukraine, as in 41 years, how it ends, we know in advance. The trouble is that ordinary people, rogue people, pay for all this, and the rich will now begin to buy shares of foreign companies that have left our country, and will become even richer ...
      2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 4 March 2022 14: 13
        -5
        The Zaporizhzhya NPP has already been demilitarized.
        1. Vladimir Petroff (Vladimir Petroff) 5 March 2022 14: 44
          0
          Have you personally been there and do you know what happened there or, as usual, grind with your tongue?
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 March 2022 14: 46
            -4
            The nuclear power plant is controlled by Russian military personnel. Does this scenario scare you?
  3. Valentine Offline Valentine
    Valentine (Valentin) 3 March 2022 13: 40
    +9
    You and your "everything is lost" are fucked up. Let our guys clean up the significant cities of Ukraine from Bandera, then deliver Yanukovych, illegally overthrown by a coup d'état, and still the legitimate president of Ukraine in exile, to Kyiv, and only there he, with the help of our comrades from environment of Putin and Shoigu, will create temporary and transitional authorities and power blocs of a new, friendly state, and then in the next elections, under the supervision of all the same our comrades, the people will elect their new government, even if according to Stalinist principles, but only without Galicia , which must be given for re-education and the implementation of the laws of restitution ..
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    2. Larisa Byvseva Offline Larisa Byvseva
      Larisa Byvseva (Larisa Byvseva) 3 March 2022 15: 28
      0
      Dima the purgon bearer voices what they came up with upstairs, and not his own inventions and wishes.
      1. Valentine Offline Valentine
        Valentine (Valentin) 3 March 2022 16: 47
        +1
        He does not have enough literacy, he even calls Bandera Bendera, listen to the "box".
    3. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 3 March 2022 16: 31
      -7
      the legitimate president of Ukraine in exile, Yanukovych,

      Our authorities congratulated Poroshenko and Zelensky after their election and officially recognized them. Nobody expelled the embassy and consulate general from Russia.

      Let our guys clean up the significant cities of Ukraine from Bandera,

      Someone on this resource dares not to give such an opportunity?
      1. Valentine Offline Valentine
        Valentine (Valentin) 3 March 2022 16: 53
        +3
        Quote: gunnerminer
        Nobody expelled the embassy and consulate general from Russia.

        Is it not Zelensky who broke off diplomatic relations with Russia, and this is already considered a declaration of war.
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 3 March 2022 18: 51
          -4
          After the start of the special operation, he tore it apart. The rupture of relations does not mean the announcement or the beginning of hostilities. Zelensky is a dependent figure.
          1. Valentine Offline Valentine
            Valentine (Valentin) 4 March 2022 06: 44
            0
            And what, all the other leaders of European states, in your opinion, are independent? You know very well that Washington is in charge of them, and at the slightest shout from him they fulfill all his desires to please him, and to the detriment of themselves, as they do with gas, sit on a gas pipe filled with gas and freeze their snot , and this, except for servility, cannot be called. And Zelensky is just a drug addict, and this is the path of almost all modern harlequins.
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 4 March 2022 14: 08
              -5
              Washington is in charge. And not only in the EU.
  4. beeper Offline beeper
    beeper 3 March 2022 13: 49
    0
    That's right, Alexander Neukropny!
    Koto-Leopold's "readiness to negotiate, make friends" with the Banderonazi junta (in fact, since 2014 the Fashington occupation administration), the past "Minsk agreements" against the backdrop of 8 years of the Bandera execution of Donbass, about Putin's "strange" "reasoning about Soviet galoshes and liberalism" and all these closest "trusted" assistants "Peskov-Medinsky" who "wag" him do not at all inspire confidence in the "uncompromising determination of denazification and demilitarization" of the hyper-aggressive anti-Russian amerocolony "Ukraine" (now nominally "headed" by frank Fashington Maidan puppets from the shobla "artists of the 95th quarter" )! Alas!
    Will everything again end in a defeatist "agreement" between Moscow and Washington and London, under the supervision of the "Swiss burkhalter gnomes"??!
    1. Larisa Byvseva Offline Larisa Byvseva
      Larisa Byvseva (Larisa Byvseva) 3 March 2022 15: 40
      0
      Yes, and Mariupol Akhmetkin was not taken by the way, which also leads to reflection. Along the way, Renat will again dobazaritsya with the Kremlin managers.
      1. beeper Offline beeper
        beeper 3 March 2022 21: 13
        0
        hi Yes, I remember well how they were then, in 2014, that it was only because of Akhmetov's "business interests" that Marik was left in the clutches of "Dung"! negative
      2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
        Ulysses (Alexey) 3 March 2022 21: 22
        +1
        Yes, and Mariupol Akhmetkin was not taken by the way, which also leads to reflection. Along the way, Renat will again dobazaritsya with the Kremlin managers.

        In Mariupol, heavy battles are now underway with the well-known national battalion (or rather, regiment).
        Hiding behind the civilians, of which there are at least 200 thousand in the city.
  5. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 3 March 2022 13: 52
    +3
    The biggest fear for many (believe me, many!) residents of the same Kyiv, where people on the streets are declared “saboteurs” and killed for a few calls to Russian numbers found in the phone book, is not the continuation of a special military operation, but its termination. Or - a suspension for a long time under the guise of "peace talks" and "ceasefire".

    I'm afraid of that too.
  6. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 3 March 2022 14: 17
    +2
    This passage, you see, can be interpreted in such a way that Moscow will not take part in the organization of the political structure of the forcibly “demilitarized” Ukraine.

    To write an article, you can interpret it this way.

    Personally, I remember that it was also about some kind of "denazification". Which comes after demilitarization. After it, Russia will not take part in organizing the political structure of the new republics.
    All on their own.
    It's just that if the policy of the new republics is unfriendly towards Russia, then denazification will be repeated until the result desired by Russia is achieved.
    1. Larisa Byvseva Offline Larisa Byvseva
      Larisa Byvseva (Larisa Byvseva) 3 March 2022 15: 43
      -2
      If we repeat again and again, how much blood of our and Russian soldiers still needs to be shed?! Wouldn't you like to participate?
      1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
        Just a cat (Bayun) 3 March 2022 21: 56
        +2
        if each time the Ukrainians are forgiven and joined, many times more blood will be shed.
    2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 3 March 2022 16: 32
      -7
      After it, Russia will not take part in organizing the political structure of the new republics.

      And the efforts of the Russian military group will be nullified.
  7. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 3 March 2022 14: 27
    0
    However, other words of Dmitry Peskov are even more surprising - that "Vladimir Zelensky is considered in the Kremlin as the legitimate president of Ukraine."

    What's wrong? Have you already held new elections? Who is the new president? I hope not Verka-Serduchka?
  8. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 3 March 2022 14: 32
    +1
    even in the Eastern and South-Eastern regions of the "nezalezhnoy" resolutely pro-Russian citizens, to put it mildly, do not constitute an absolute majority. And something suggests that after the costs and incidents inevitable during the current events, the number of such incidents will rather decrease than increase.

    You simply cannot imagine how many pro-Russian residents will be after the end of demilitarization. And after a well-conducted denazification, even in the west of the former Ukraine, the majority will be in favor of neutral relations with Russia. Or maybe even friendly.

    PS: Do not expect that the RF will rake out the dirt, but you will stand, watch and judge the RF for mistakes during cleaning. All on their own. Only help and verification of results from Russia. Enough heat to rake in the wrong hands.
    1. Larisa Byvseva Offline Larisa Byvseva
      Larisa Byvseva (Larisa Byvseva) 3 March 2022 15: 49
      -4
      Yes, if Ukrainians make an atomic "bonbu" from the development of their nuclear power plants, then you will be in Russia for a long time to rake with YOUR HANDS, maybe they will even invite you :)))
    2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 3 March 2022 16: 36
      -7
      And after a well-conducted denazification, even in the west of the former Ukraine, the majority will be in favor of neutral relations with Russia. Or maybe even friendly.

      No one knows how to carry out denazification. And by whom, in what order of forces, in what form. Denazification in Vaterland after 1945 was ensured by large forces of garrisons and military administrations of the former allies. And parts of the United States are still sticking out in Germany. And control the German intelligence services and the government. We do not have such opportunities even in Dagestan and Chechnya, with Ingushetia.
    3. Alexander Voitsekhovsky (Oleksandr Voitsekhivsky) 3 March 2022 18: 52
      -4
      You are wrong. Support for Zelensky among the population of Ukraine today is more than 90%. Russia will not get anything good even by winning (which is unlikely) this war. Ukrainians endured 8 years.
      1. Valentine Offline Valentine
        Valentine (Valentin) 4 March 2022 06: 59
        0
        Quote: Alexander Voitsekhovsky
        You are wrong. Support for Zelensky among the population of Ukraine today is more than 90%

        Yes, of course, if this "support" smokes the same thing as your president .... Lord, what happened to all of you there, and there are almost 35 million people, and they all believe in a parallel reality of unrealizability.
    4. Sergey Pavlenko Offline Sergey Pavlenko
      Sergey Pavlenko (Sergey Pavlenko) 3 March 2022 22: 22
      -1
      I completely agree! Now many cannot speak out frankly, because they are afraid of the Nazis. And when everyone who does not want to be denazified is simply buried in the ground, then it will be possible to hear the truth from people. And already in the liberated districts of Ukraine, residents speak out how tired they are of the Nazis ...
  9. EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
    EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) 3 March 2022 14: 40
    0
    I think that the maximum limits are initially declared. Denazification and demilitarization are slogans. The practical goals are much more modest (I think so...). Of course, it won’t work to knock out the Nazi nonsense that has been suggested for many years, but it will take a long time to restore the military potential, and the arrogance will decrease. Demanding a lot so that you can give in somewhere, as an option.
    1. Larisa Byvseva Offline Larisa Byvseva
      Larisa Byvseva (Larisa Byvseva) 3 March 2022 15: 51
      -1
      And in the 45th, they somehow managed to beat out the Nazi nonsense! Obviously there were real beaters not like the current ones!
      1. EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
        EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) 3 March 2022 16: 06
        0
        In the 45th city was ground into rubble along with the population. Significant, such a factor. Now this will not happen.
      2. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
        Just a cat (Bayun) 3 March 2022 21: 57
        0
        Jacob knocked out that the grandson of Shukhevych and Medvedchuk are alive?
  10. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 3 March 2022 14: 50
    -1
    Quote: EVYN WIXH
    Of course, it won’t work to knock out the Nazi nonsense that has been suggested for many years

    For difficult cases, there are mines in the north of the Russian Federation. But I am sure that there will be few such cases.
  11. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 3 March 2022 14: 53
    0
    Reasoning is nothing.
    They will say - legitimate - will be legitimate. Tomorrow they will say: criminal - will be criminal. Then they will say: an adequate partner - everyone will nod.

    About Endohapn, for example, there was a complete collection.
    1. Larisa Byvseva Offline Larisa Byvseva
      Larisa Byvseva (Larisa Byvseva) 3 March 2022 15: 53
      +1
      Khazyava words - they wanted - they gave, they wanted - they took it.
    2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 3 March 2022 16: 37
      -4
      Yes, he took the knives out of his back, then stuck them in again.
  12. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
    Mikhail L. 3 March 2022 15: 00
    +1
    ... The Author's doubts are justified.
    ... But I think it's better to give the de jure legitimate President V. Zelensky a "green corridor" to London in exchange for his ceasefire order!
    ... And "a holy place is never empty."
    ... And denazification and elections will be held ... not by Moscow, but by the new leadership of Ukraine!
    1. Larisa Byvseva Offline Larisa Byvseva
      Larisa Byvseva (Larisa Byvseva) 3 March 2022 15: 56
      +1
      And the type of brawn in Kyiv, right?! Why does he need a green corridor, he is not even in Lviv! Alas, the "Green Mile" - that's what weeps for him, death row 3rd floor, not a corner one!
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  13. Sergey Pavlenko Offline Sergey Pavlenko
    Sergey Pavlenko (Sergey Pavlenko) 3 March 2022 15: 29
    0
    And what could be expected from the statements of the official? - There are many options ... it's just that only those who can lead Ukraine, who will suit Moscow ... will remain alive, I think that everything has been calculated for a long time, you just need to wait. Today, the GDP is gathering members of the Security Council for a meeting ... we will never know for 100% what will be discussed there, maybe 10-20 percent will be revealed to us, or maybe nothing at all ... . After all, Zel is currently dancing to the tune of an overseas tune, I have no doubt that if a gun is put to his temple, he will definitely sing in a different voice and a different song, they say, my US friends forced me and so on .... Everything will be as our President said!!!
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 3 March 2022 22: 00
      0
      How many of these "persons" have already been arranging for Moscow, including Yanukovych? tens, hundreds? Outcome one - betrayal.
  14. opportunist Offline opportunist
    opportunist (dim) 3 March 2022 15: 48
    -4
    the whole situation was a fiasco from the very beginning, we are entering into an endless war without meaning, I said from the very beginning to take the territories of Novorossia to close their access to the Azov and Black Seas and that's it.
  15. opportunist Offline opportunist
    opportunist (dim) 3 March 2022 15: 54
    -5
    I repeat, take the territories of Novorossiya, create a pro-Russian and free Ukraine in the east, and eventually the Nazi regime in western Ukraine will collapse on its own.
    1. EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
      EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) 3 March 2022 16: 11
      0
      This is what I'm talking about. Who knows where the end goal is? Something might just be a red herring, something intimidating...
    2. Valentine Offline Valentine
      Valentine (Valentin) 3 March 2022 17: 07
      +2
      Quote: opportunist
      and eventually the Nazi regime in western Ukraine will collapse on its own.

      You don’t know the history of our state very well, when immediately after the civil war after 1918, the unfinished White Guards, who were then called the White Poles, from the territory of Poland, which included modern Western Ukraine, made armed raids on the young Soviet republic, under the control of the British and Polish special services, sowing death and horror of the civilian population on our borders, so repetition of these raids is not desirable for us, but if they are "adopted" by the Poles, this will be the best option - they have not yet forgotten how the OUN-UPA massacred them with entire villages, and on the conscience of Bandera about 200 thousand killed Poles.
      1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
        Just a cat (Bayun) 3 March 2022 22: 02
        0
        odessa printed money for the new kaklyak republic, in Kyiv Ukrainians shot russians and drowned them in the hole...
  16. Anna Tim Offline Anna Tim
    Anna Tim (Anna) 3 March 2022 16: 48
    +1
    If they let everything take its course and also leave Ze, everything will return to normal even in the worst case. Yes, the words tribunal and capitulation have disappeared, this is alarming, and the West will regard it as a manifestation of Russia's weakness. I really hope that this is some kind of tricky move, and not a banal drain.
  17. Guest throat bone 3 March 2022 18: 35
    -1
    Zelensky has a chance! if he recognizes the nationalist battalions as bandit groups, illegal bandit formations, terrorists, moves away from the Tyagniboks, Turchinovs, Avakovs, Yaroshs and other evil spirits, pretends that he only learned about the genocide in the Donbass and begins criminal prosecution of those responsible, including the above .. Will sign a confession Ukraine of the status of a neutral state in the constitution, of course, that is, it will abandon NATO forever ... and the special status of the DPR-LPR!
    Everyone.. peace!
    1. Valentine Offline Valentine
      Valentine (Valentin) 4 March 2022 07: 06
      0
      At first, the Nazis will roll him into asphalt, as they promised, this is easy for them.
  18. Awaz Offline Awaz
    Awaz (Walery) 3 March 2022 19: 43
    0
    such statements come, most likely, from the fact that the operation plan did not go according to the scenario, even worse than the worst ...
    I wrote last Saturday or Sunday that Putin’s main argument in the negotiations should have been to bypass and encircle the entire group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine located on the front line with Donbass and the systematic destruction of this boiler, with the destruction of air defense and aviation, and the remnants of the fleet .. But , as we can see, it has been a week of fighting and the argument has not yet been created, and the operation began to enter into a protracted form, which hardly anyone in the Kremlin expected. So the rhetoric has calmed down. .
    The argument that we will simply rip the whole country off for you is not an argument at all for the Ukrainian authorities. They don't care. They live on another planet. they don't care about the people either. For that, then they will happily jump about the fact that we fought and suffered and won, and in any case. But the encirclement and neutralization of a huge military unit would be an argument .. but it didn’t work out for the most part .. Now they are stuck and, as I think, they are looking for ways to somehow leave without losing face ...
    This, of course, is my personal opinion, but for some reason it immediately manifested itself for me already on the second day of the war, and the further this disgrace continues, the more I suspect that I was right.
    1. Yuri 5347 Offline Yuri 5347
      Yuri 5347 (Yuri) 4 March 2022 01: 11
      0
      ...this is just your guess
    2. Valentine Offline Valentine
      Valentine (Valentin) 4 March 2022 07: 15
      0
      Very large Nazi forces are now concentrated near Donetsk and Gorlovka, there are also quite a few of them in Mariupol, Kyiv and Kharkov, and they have only nothing left of ammunition, and they will soon run out completely, and their delivery is blocked for them, and we will lose our guys because of what then there a couple of days is a crime. They will shoot their ammunition, and they themselves will surrender, who will survive.
  19. Art Pilot Offline Art Pilot
    Art Pilot (pilot) 3 March 2022 21: 50
    -2
    It is necessary to organize a conversation between Putin and Zelensky live and broadcast to all countries of the world.
    Let the world hear Russia's arguments. Western propaganda will collapse in an hour.
  20. NikolayN Offline NikolayN
    NikolayN (Nikolai) 3 March 2022 22: 37
    0
    And who, if not a legitimate president, will sign the terms of surrender with us? We may not consider Zelya legitimate. It is important that the West considers him as such. The terms of surrender and the treaty must be absolutely legitimate and the conditions in them cannot be canceled in the next 50 years. And, attention, most importantly, a couple of military bases on the territory of Ukraine with missile defense and air defense systems.
  21. Olser Offline Olser
    Olser (Oleg) 3 March 2022 22: 41
    +1
    Kyiv should get its own from its own for the 2014 coup
  22. Yuri 5347 Offline Yuri 5347
    Yuri 5347 (Yuri) 4 March 2022 01: 09
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    ... well, here is a military trick - they called the clown legitimate, so that he supported the gum corridors, gave the order. About the elections - they also do not share real plans in advance, so as not to cause opposition and criticism.
  23. Marjane Offline Marjane
    Marjane (Marian) 4 March 2022 12: 14
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    He does not have enough literacy, he even calls Bandera Bendera, listen to the "box".

    Bendera from the word "Bender" - the name of the region
  24. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 4 March 2022 12: 27
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    Peskov is the personification of the patriotism of our government: patriotism in demagogy, and even then not always, but in fact everything valuable from the enemies, including two families, the children who call our country a country of rashka. But all this is normal for Putin, since he is being held. Here, traitorous notes break through from him ...
  25. Marjane Offline Marjane
    Marjane (Marian) 4 March 2022 12: 28
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    We have no right to reassign someone there. We can ask the President to resign. The one who replaces him will take the interim leadership and organize snap elections.
    The decision to carry out the operation had been prepared for a long time, but it was made urgently on the basis of intelligence data, confirmed by documents. We were on the verge of an operation to completely destroy the LDNR and the organization on our border at least what was at the LDNR borders, and even much worse.
    Therefore, some goals were either not clearly formulated or not fully calculated. Everything is impossible to predict in advance.
  26. Semyon Sukhov Offline Semyon Sukhov
    Semyon Sukhov (Semyon Sukhov) 4 March 2022 12: 39
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    Moscow will not take part in the organization of the political structure of the forcibly “demilitarized” Ukraine

    no need to worry too early...
    How many times did Peskov say that Russia would not invade the outskirts?
    It's time to understand that it doesn't matter who says what, what matters is what they do!!!
  27. Denis radish Offline Denis radish
    Denis radish (Denis Moroz) 4 March 2022 15: 41
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    join the Dnieper to Russia and that's it.
  28. On the other hand, if Zelensky is an illegitimate president, then his signature under the Act of Surrender will also be invalid. And on the third, there is simply no Zelensky side in Kyiv since February 25.02.2022, 100. It is very likely that the operation to evacuate the head of counterintelligence of the BND of Germany was a cover for the evacuation of the President of Ukraine with his inner circle to Poland. That is why the negotiators go to Gomel from Poland and not from Ukraine. That is why Zelensky is so brave. This means that no signature will be given to him. He is now a puppet of the United States at XNUMX%. And the task of the United States is to inflict the greatest damage on Russia. Incl. and due to the mutual Russian-Ukrainian massacre. Everything is being done to ensure that this massacre continues as long as possible and on the largest and most comprehensive scale.
  29. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 5 March 2022 00: 50
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    Russia cannot officially announce the overthrow of the Kiev junta as its goal. Such a goal is illegitimate and precludes negotiations. Denazification is just the right target, because. everyone in Ukraine can decide for themselves whether they fall into this category or not, including the president. Of course, he himself is afraid to even step aside, realizing in such cases the inevitability of his death at the hands of the Nazis or Western intelligence services. He also understands that no matter how many weapons you give out, the military situation will continue to deteriorate. Russia is in no hurry to storm anything, which means Russia's actions are not subject to time frames, any risks of escalation from NATO, or anything else that would force the advance and capture of cities to be accelerated.
    Perhaps Russia is waiting for Ukraine itself to denazify itself (everyone flees to the west or even out of the country, those who have a reason to flee flee. The more they flee, the better for us). The end of this operation is inevitable. The US attempt to play on a provocation at a nuclear power plant ended in nothing. Despite the absolute dominance of the anti-Russian agenda in all media resources of the West, the actions of the Kiev regime and the Nazis break many people's ideas about Ukraine every day.

    Of course, Russia cannot delay the operation for half a year, there are certain time frames. And something tells me that when it is necessary, things will go like an avalanche.
  30. Marjane Offline Marjane
    Marjane (Marian) 5 March 2022 10: 13
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    Quote: Valentine
    deliver to Kyiv the illegally overthrown by a coup d'état, and still the legitimate president of Ukraine in exile, Yanukovych

    Everyone has already forgotten about him, but probably it will be so, although people have negative associations with him. I think that during this time he realized a lot. It is important to organize new elections and eliminate the consequences of the operation