What consequences will a new war in Donbass have?


The daily escalation of tension in Donbas speaks of the inevitability of a military clash in one form or another. Mines and shells are exploding on the territory of the LDNR, the civilian population is being evacuated, the army of the republics is preparing to be replenished with volunteers, as in 2014.


The main beneficiary and initiator of the war


The culprit of the conflict is the United States, whose leadership has launched a large-scale information campaign and is pushing Ukraine to war. America, as has been repeatedly written, pursues several goals. In a global sense, this is an element of the Cold War, designed to: 1) sharply increase pressure on the "European front" on Russia, 2) rally European allies around the United States because of the imaginary Russian threat, 3) show the world that America is still capable of administering destiny in Europe, to be an active participant in European affairs and a defender of the countries that have made a cordon sanitaire around Russia. In a local sense, the United States seeks to cut off Europe from Russian gas in order to become the main supplier of blue fuel and sow military chaos in the region. Instability is the dark energy through which the United States aggressively intervenes in the affairs of countries that are thousands of kilometers from their borders.

The United States is rapidly losing moralepolitical the authority of the world arbitrator, and due to the artificial escalation of tension, they are trying to return it. Biden has already twice addressed the nation about Ukraine, even addressed the Russians directly, that is, he is trying with all his might to focus on the role of the United States in Europe. The pro-American press in Europe convinces the townsfolk that without a powerful overseas superpower, the Europeans will not be able to cope with Putin's heavily armed hordes.

Turkish interests


Erdogan has far-reaching plans to form a new Ottoman Empire. Many Turkic peoples live in Russia, so a clash with Turkey's imperialist interests is inevitable. That is why Turkey backstage supports Ukraine and actively supplies UAVs with drones. There is no doubt that Erdogan, no less than Biden, hopes for the most protracted conflict between Russia and Ukraine with the maximum weakening of the northern neighbor.

There are no other political forces in the world interested in provoking a military conflict. The rest will only try to extract some co-benefits from a situation that they do not control.

Ukrainian-Baltic-Polish bonuses


The leadership of Ukraine is clearly aware that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not be able to cope with either the LDNR army, or even more so with the Russian armed forces, but is under the most severe pressure from their Washington patrons. Zelensky, under the hype of the conflict, is begging the West for money and weapons, trying to find benefits for the oligarchic clan he serves. In addition, Zelensky is trying to play the nationalist card, suppress any opposition, “rally the nation” in front of the imaginary threat of occupation, and consolidate power in his hands. It has long been walking on the thin ice of a coup d'état, preparing the ground for the complete usurpation of the state.

Zelensky is likely planning to provoke a more or less large-scale clash with the LDNR, subsequently announcing the repulsion of the Russian threat, which, he believes, will open the door to life-giving American and European handouts.

The Ukrainian people, of course, will not derive any benefits from the growing conflict. On the contrary, the authorities of Ukraine will finally untie their hands in further terrorizing the population with oppression, exploitation and violation of all rights under the sauce of a state of emergency.

The situation is approximately the same for other pro-American puppet regimes in Europe. The Baltic states and Poland, under the “growing Russian threat,” will beg for dollars and euros, strengthen their police states, and suppress any opposition.

Information compensation


The information assertiveness of Western leaders about the "Russian threat" hints opaquely that the propaganda of a European war is intended, among other things, to shift the attention of Western inhabitants from numerous internal problems. Economic the crisis, pandemic, protests, conflicts and contradictions that are tearing apart Western countries are relegated to the background in the information field. Everywhere there is one ill-fated Ukraine, the existence of which until 2014 the townsfolk did not even suspect.

The destruction of the "Minsk" configuration


The inflating of the military conflict by the United States is a logical outcome of the Minsk agreements initiated by France. Three "great powers" - France, Germany, Russia - agreed on the outcome of the civil war in Ukraine based on their interests. It was important for France and Germany to show that they are capable of solving European issues on their own, without the United States, Russia counted on the bankruptcy of the Maidan government of Ukraine and the integration of Donbass into its structure, thereby smoothing out the conflict with the West over Crimea. Nobody took into account the real state of affairs, did not take into account the will of the people of Donbass, as well as the control of the Ukrainian authorities by Washington. As a result, a stalemate developed, with which the Normandy Format participants were quite satisfied. However, at the same time, not only the people of Donetsk were not in the mood to recognize the results of the civil war enshrined in the agreements, but America also got the opportunity for political maneuver to aggravate the conflict.

The main reasons for the failure of the Ukrainian side to comply with the Minsk agreements were in North America. Another thing is that even if we imagine that Ukraine would carry out all the envisaged measures in strict accordance with the agreements, it is difficult to imagine how the people of Donbass, having realized their right to self-determination with weapons in their hands, would refuse the gains of the civil war. The language problem, the fascist policy of the Maidan were only an excuse for an armed struggle for independence and the desire to become part of Russia.

In this sense, from a cynical point of view, the LDNR conflict is beneficial, because it buries the Minsk agreements and brings the republics closer to Russia's recognition of their independence and to the prospect of further integration into Russia. The blood that has been shed and is being shed on the land of Donbass must receive some kind of historical justification, have some kind of historical result. The special status of Donbass within Ukraine is not an outcome for which such a high price is paid.

European controversy


European countries, on the one hand, are dancing to the tune of the United States about the Russian threat, on the other hand, they are puffing up somehow to calm the conflict and play an important role in the situation. Macron rides now to Moscow, then to Kiev as a peacekeeper, cuts off the phones of presidents and prime ministers of all countries in the region. Europe is contradictory - it is trying to get out from under the American heel, but does not have the strength and influence to play an independent role. The collapse of "Minsk" and the helplessness of the "Normandy format" is a vivid example of this. The prospect of renunciation of Russian gas scares Europe, but pro-American agents of influence still hold commanding heights in the political circles of France and Germany. How and when this contradiction will be resolved, one can only guess.

Chinese analogies


China reacted with restraint to the annexation of Crimea and the conflict in the Donbass. In the West, they like to emphasize that the Chinese authorities have repeatedly stated that they respect the territorial integrity of Ukraine, that China abstained in two votes in the UN Security Council in March 2014 “on condemning the annexation of Crimea” and “non-recognition of the referendum on Crimea becoming part of Russia”. But, firstly, Russia also respects the territorial integrity of Ukraine when it comes to Donbass, and secondly, when journalists ask Chinese officials about the recognition of Crimea, they answer something like this:

“We have no right to judge who owns Crimea, since Russia and Ukraine are intertwined very strongly. The fate and history of these countries is clear only to them alone, ”former Minister of Science and Technology PRC and member of the National People's Congress.

Moreover, China is actively investing in Crimea and condemns Western pressure on Russia on this issue.

The annexation of Crimea to Russia and the prospect of annexation of the Donbass to Russia morally and politically facilitate the informational background of the return of Taiwan to the PRC. Xi Jinping clearly plans and prepares to resolve the issue of the final "reunification of China", not excluding military means. China is clearly preparing for a war over Taiwan, and it would benefit from someone preparing the political ground in the international arena for such a scenario.

Lukashenka's maneuvers


Belarus also declares itself as an active participant in the events. Having recovered from the attempted coup d'état during the White Maidan, Lukashenka came under strong pressure from Russia, demanding more active integration of the two countries. The Belarusian authorities consider the union state on Russia's terms as the liquidation of their independence. Lukashenka does not want to turn Belarus into the Belgorod region and resists the introduction of the ruble as the single currency of the two countries. However, he soberly assesses the objective limits of the sovereignty of his small country, therefore he frees up space for himself to actively support Russia on the issue of Donbass.

Belarus occupies an important strategic position in the event of a military conflict and provocations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. From the southern border of Belarus along the coast of the Dnieper to Kiev, only a hundred kilometers. Lukashenka actively uses this to justify his unwillingness to integrate on Russian terms later.

Formation of the anti-American front


China is in no hurry to unite countries dissatisfied with US hegemony into some kind of bloc in the format of a new cold war. Therefore, the initiative has moved "on the ground." Iran, under the new president Raisi, is thinking about joining the CSTO, Cuba has declared firm support in connection with “the US unleashing propaganda hysteria against Russia”, Venezuela, according to our ambassador, is ready to fight the US on the side of Russia. So the conflict in Donbas can serve as a means of rallying anti-American countries around Russia. Or at least become a symbol of collective opposition to American hegemony.

Russian pluses


Russia is least interested in the conflict in Donbass. The Russian authorities are placed in an extremely disadvantageous position and are forced to prepare for a military provocation so that it does not develop into major clashes with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. However, there are some positives to be found in every situation.

So, President Putin as a person has one property that can play a positive role in the scenario being played out. At some point in his development as a statesman, he began to view himself through the prism of the historical role he plays. This is an important quality of a great politician, which many lack. What will be written about you in the history books? Will you become a disgrace to the country or a passing figure? Such questions should be asked by every person on whose decisions the destinies of millions depend. Putin has learned to set them for himself, therefore, despite all his shortcomings and the shortcomings of the existing socio-political system, there is a certain charge of wisdom in Russia's position. To get out of this conflict saving face and without national humiliation, it will be necessary to mobilize this statesmanship. At least we can say that the Russian government will do a lot to prevent a bloodbath in the Donbass. And this is already worth a lot.

Paradoxically, the Russian people stand to gain from further severing economic and political ties with the West. Sanctions become the reason for the growth of our production, make the entrepreneurs who flooded the country think not only about profit, but also about providing the country with the necessary products. The West's stroking of our oligarchy and top officials against wool gives hope that capital will stop flowing out of the country, people's wealth will be spent on the senseless buying of yachts and houses in London. Of course, this will not solve the fundamental problems of the liberal economic system that we have built, but at least it will cool down the pro-Western orientation of the “elite”.
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  1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 21 February 2022 09: 24
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    The culprit of the conflict is the United States, whose leadership has launched a large-scale information campaign and is pushing Ukraine to war.

    The longer I look at the battlefield, the more obvious it is to me that our media is not making a fuss.
    They say that the US is pushing Ukraine to war with Russia. But this statement is not friendly with the facts.

    My opinion is that the United States and Great Britain have strategic plans for the territory of the former Ukraine. These plans will be disrupted if now start a war with Russia. A war with a very obvious outcome. The invested forces, money, time of the USA and K will be canceled, lost.

    To prevent war now - there are all sorts of threats coming in. Enemies are afraid to be defeated on this sector of the front. The reformatting of Ukraine is still over.
    Putin does not scare NATO with modern weapons, but with the fact that they can cut down a pawn that is going to queen. Those that can strengthen their country both in people and in territory.
    And, it is very likely that the enemies have no doubt that this threat is quite real.

    And so the whip begins to be complemented by the gingerbread. Personally, it is difficult for me to imagine what they can give Russia to stop it. Maybe they will give LDNR, but within the current borders.
    Or stop the psychosis in the European gas market and leave us that part of the European market that we had before the crisis. With a markedly increased price for gas and oil, this is a very good jackpot.

    That is, tactically, economically, the Russian Federation can win. Having received a titmouse in the hands, abandoning the crane in the sky.
    I think it will be a defeat. Slightly sweetened. Well, about the same when we made Crimea ours, losing the rest of Ukraine.

    And by the way, the axis Poland - Kiev - Turkey can significantly complicate the supply of goods from China to Western Europe (read Germany, Italy, France) through Russia.
  2. Rumen5252 Offline Rumen5252
    Rumen5252 (Rumen) 21 February 2022 09: 41
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    the question remained unanswered - why should Ukraine storm / take away ORDLO for itself ?? That's why?
    Do they need a pro-Russian "electorate"? No. They have nowhere to put the billions that will be needed for recovery? No. Do they need fights and losses that will lead to a drop in rating? No.
    Is there at least 1 (one) good reason why Ukraine should want to regain control of this zoo (ORDLO)?
    1. tulip Offline tulip
      tulip 21 February 2022 11: 20
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      Why do Ukrainians keep such a group on the borders of Donbass if they don’t need a damn thing to return control over it?)))
    2. beeper Offline beeper
      beeper 21 February 2022 12: 00
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      And the "Maidan authorities" need a "territory" without inhabitants - after all, until 2014, Yanyk-Azirov promised the territory of Donbass to American companies (with Biden's son as board members and bonus recipients) for unlimited shale gas production!
      And, "interfering" with this "large-scale international cooperation", the local population was planned to be forcibly resettled "out of state necessity (somehow it sounded like this in the draft laws on state compensation for alienated property and housing)"!
      Everything was ready for this at the "non-alternative European integrators", as usual, the Kiev "leaders" were NOT interested in the opinion of the inhabitants, for the "rocks of rozbudov's independence" accustomed to "do anything with them" with impunity!
      And here, both of them, such an annoyance, another "Maidan" change of power, and Azirov and Yanyk were forced to drape from their crazed "friends" (who agreed with the West to "surrender Ukraine" to the amero-colonial "Eurootsossiya" at a much cheaper price, but with the condition of their admission to the Kiev "power helm" in order to have time to "pull" for themselves, the remnants of the richest Soviet Heritage, not plundered by "senior comrades").
      And in the Donbass, the "maidauns" did not manage to stifle the popular uprising against the Amerobandera occupation-colonization of all of Ukraine so easily!
      Joint American-Ukrainian "shale companies" were forced to curtail their activities in the Donbass!
      And on the territory of Zapukria, where there are also similar gas deposits, they were not allowed this outrage ("hydraulic fracturing", with severe chemical poisoning of the soil and sources of drinking water for hundreds of years) over the ecology and the forced resettlement of the local Banderva themselves, the Nazi Bandera "Maidan authorities", from -for the fact that "their own" live in Galicia - "the support of the Maidan regime" - "nedotorkanni spravzhni Ukrainians", eternal servants of all Western occupiers, going "drang" to Russia!
      In 2014, according to the original plan of the “smaidan” Kiev, it was planned that the heavily armed gangs of the “Maidan self-defense” and “friendship trains” from Zapukria, with the support of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in the same way as they had previously “counterpupili” - strangled, beaten to death and "butchered into organs", the Russian Spring in Eastern Ukraine, will easily be swept away by the Donetsk militia, at first armed only with sticks and a few hunting rifles!
      For this, the "Svidomo" participants in the "campaign to Donbass" were promised "a plot of land and two slaves"!
      The Kiev coup d'etaters planned to evict and "assimilate" all the "unseen", friendly to Russia, residents of the Donetsk and Lugansk lands in the western regions, and instead of them to bring in Western settlers in order to create a "cordon sanitaire" on the border with Russia from the Russophobic hostile population, consisting of 100 % of "titular" rogues (in principle, this is how the "Maidan authorities" will act as a result of the "implementation of the Minsk agreements", of course, if the stupid railway banderva "stops slowing down" and realizes its benefits from their speedy implementation!)!
      But taking too much care of this, instead of the Russians, "their own people" and investing in the "restoration" of destroyed housing and infrastructure, the Kiev "w / Bandera" will not, they will only "cut into metal" what they are now not allowed to reach Donbass defenders!
      And the Western "zabrods", in order to survive, will also be forced to "dig coal" in private "burrows", engage in smuggling on the border with the Russian Federation and "outside trades" (including in neighboring Russia, where they will smile sweetly and flatly deny their own participation in the genocide of Russian fellow citizens!)".
      In the case of "implementation of Minsk", the American gas shale companies will again "deploy" in the Donbass and already unhindered (as it would have been with the unscrupulous "non-alternative European integrators" Yanyk-Azirov) will start dirty gas production for sale in a mannered "scrupulous" "green- blue Europe!

      Since 2014, Banderonazis have been shouting about Crimea, as well as about Donbass, "Crimea is either ours, or deserted!"
      They need "territory", NOT people!
      They prove it every day with their murders of civilians in Donbass and the destruction of their homes!
      1. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
        Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 21 February 2022 12: 28
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        The only thing that doesn’t converge is why then the Americans and other pro-Western shobla supported the Maidan in 14th? Did you tell yourself what? The puzzle doesn't fit! Should have been more careful.
        1. beeper Offline beeper
          beeper 21 February 2022 15: 25
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          Quote: Morey Borey
          The only thing that doesn’t converge is why then the Americans and other pro-Western shobla supported the Maidan in 14th? Did you tell yourself what? The puzzle doesn't fit! Should have been more careful.

          hi Yes, the Fashington ones got a flaw (it was also the American military intelligence that later admitted that they didn’t take it into account at all - “we didn’t expect such activity and decisive steps of Russia in the Crimea”)! wassat
          In 2014, the Americans and the pro-Western shobla arrogantly rushed to occupy and colonize Ukraine even before the complete "de-Russification-bandering" of the entire population (before the completion, which began back in Gorbachev's "perestroika", of the deliberate marginalization of representatives of Soviet generations, especially in Eastern Ukraine, who partially did not succumb" Svidomo "stupefying and forcible imposition of Amerokholuy Galician" values ​​")!
          The amero-euro-blazed wanted to give the diligent "European integrators and Banderizators", the Judomazepins Yanyk and Azirov, the price that they were initially promised for the successful surrender of the "square" into slavery!
          Already when with the "signing of the European association" everything was "on the ointment" (when, "inspired by the opening European prospects [virtual, it was obvious to everyone who read, or at least thoughtfully flipped through, more than a 1000-page text of the so-called" agreement about association", with its strict occupationist demands for de-industrialization and dismantling of "failed state Ukraine" into a completely miserable, in every possible way neglected, non-independent European colony under the control of Washington and Brussels petty clerks]", as is usual in the "square" - insolent deception of their voters , having seized upon the "feeding the authorities", the feeble-minded "zavgar" and "taxman", without any popular referendum and contrary to the will and aspirations of their voters, unrestrainedly spun the flywheel of "non-alternative European integration", promising the poorly educated, "Svidomo", part of the impoverished "Ukrainian life" of the population "European milk rivers with jelly banks" and "working visa-free"), amerovassal bosses of the European Union, like hardened sh Ulery insolently "twitched the price tag" (reducing the amount of "silver pieces for aid" immediately "by an order of magnitude", from €160 billion to €16 billion, apparently in the calculation - "where will these corrupt native leaders go from our submarine")!
          And when, indignant at this impudent swindle (having previously "get used to the idea of ​​a good baksheesh" for their perfidious betrayal), Yanyk-Azirov and their accomplices, as "honest fraers", began to "resist" and "keep the price", demand payment of the promised, then- then they crawled out, previously wiped out by the "old renegades" from the satisfying thieves' "trough of power", their young colleagues, "Komsomol strikebreakers", ready to sell "beloved Ukraine" quite cheaply, for mere "euro cents" (it happened later, because "maydauns" did not even receive those 16 billion euros, which so "offended" their runaway "fathers", real professionals
          in the kleptoderiban of the country's property and the "development" of foreign loans!)"!
          The Russian authorities, with all this "unfolding picture of trading", "kept Olympic calm" in anticipation of the "international triumph of the Winter Games in Sochi" and only "exhorted" the Ukrainian "multi-vector" Westerners by closing the domestic market of the Russian Federation for the "free sale of Ukrainian goods" and transferring on international customs duties, with periodic "nixies" - "sanitary doctor's bans"!
          The Russian klepto-oligarchs (including those very close to the Kremlin), who until 2014 owned more than a third of "business assets" in Ukraine and most of the investments, were very enthusiastic about the upcoming European integration legalization of these "Ukrainian investments" (which later resulted in their support for the anti-Russian Russophobic "Euromaidan" and active assistance to their Ukrainian colleagues-"business partners" in defeating the anti-"grabbing"-anti-colonial people's Russian Spring and strangling the pro-Russian New Russia!)!
          Undercoverly agreeing with the "cheap people" (including those "spread over" from the "inner circle" of Yanyk), the Western hucksters considered that they were "in the bag" and therefore completely "threw" their "best European integrators", "to pluck" the "anti-constitutional" Maidan coup", without even waiting for the imminent presidential elections...
          The fact that the United States did not receive all the benefits from the "Euromaidan", organized by them and their German, Polish, Tribaltic and Nazibander puppets, also played a role in the State Department's blunder with "recruitment" - in many ways (starting with the rude "bakery", mediocre assistant Secretary of State-Nuland and the stupid short-sighted careerist-Ameroambassador Pyatt, in an effort to "curry favor" gave "the go-ahead to start" fool wassat ) it was and is "unusable human material", therefore the "puzzle did not fit"!

          Frames decide everything!

          And then there’s the Kremlin, already at the very last moment, already with bloody bruises pecked out (“fried bald eagle”) opus, suddenly woke up from the “Olympic” coma and “boyishly freaked out”, took it and podkuzmil its “respected American and Turkish partners", refusing resignedly (well, perhaps, with the usual "diplomatic concerns", which no one pays any attention to) "to make room", "moving out" from the cozy harbors of the Sevastopol naval base to, uncomfortablely blown by the destructive forest, its unfinished Novorossiysk "ersatz-substitute"!
          The Americans and their satellites (and especially the Banderlogs themselves and the Crimean Turkomans, led by "Sultan" Erdogan and his lured mongrels from the illegal "Crimean Mejlis") did NOT expect such a sudden "hurry" from the Kremlin and were in indescribable shock - after all, under Yanyk -Azarov's Crimea (with the exception of the promised "lease" to China, with the importation of thousands of Chinese workers with their families, part of the west coast under the "deep-sea port and agriculture") "flowed smoothly" under the implicit protectorate of Turkey and the United States (in the summer of 2013, the Americans had already begun to equip under headquarters and reconnaissance structures of their 6th fleet, the buildings chosen by them in the center of Sevastopol)!
          They have a hard time, among the Americans and the Turks, it turned out, an unfortunate annoyance!
          This is especially evident from the offended Erdogan (including his annoyed attacks on the American "hegemons" who screwed him up so badly with the "Maidan" - forcing Moscow desperately to "buck up", driven into a corner by the threat of an emergency "Izkrymsk evacuation"), because to take away The Crimea of ​​the "former Ukrainian SSR", which is weakening every year under the "rule" of corrupt kleptomaniacs, was the "sultan's" personal goal!
    3. Valentine Offline Valentine
      Valentine (Valentin) 21 February 2022 12: 57
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      Quote: Rumen5252
      Is there at least 1 (one) good reason why Ukraine should want to regain control of this zoo (ORDLO)?

      Ukraine, by itself, now can’t want anything, but will only fulfill the will of its master, Washington, which is very beneficial for any war between Russia and anyone, even with Ukraine, because it is imprisoned by the United States as a springboard for confrontation with Russia , and the common goals of the United States and the "collective West" are to dismember, tear to pieces Russia because of its natural resources, water resources and the richest forests on earth. Margaret Thatcher also stated at one time that the USSR, and now Russia, do not have the right to own such treasures alone, and that it should all belong to a handful of selected states - the USA, Europe, China, Japan and Turkey, and now all this will be implemented by all our "partners", because. America needs to restore its reputation as the world hegemon, which is now fading before everyone's eyes.
      1. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 21 February 2022 15: 17
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        Even Margaret Thatcher stated at one time that the USSR, and now Russia, do not have the right to own such treasures alone, and that it should all belong to a handful of selected states -

        Can you confirm this with a link to some source?
        Where, when, on what occasion did Thatcher say that?
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 21 February 2022 16: 55
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          Everything secret sooner or later becomes clear. It is the height of irresponsibility to dismiss rumors about these words of Thatcher. smile
        2. Valentine Offline Valentine
          Valentine (Valentin) 21 February 2022 20: 17
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          Quote: Trampoline area instructor
          Where, when, on what occasion did Thatcher say that?

          Mistake came out, these words belong to K. Rice.
          1. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 21 February 2022 22: 28
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            Really? Just a little wrong lol

            Condoleezza Rice attributed the notorious saying "About Siberia". In him she allegedly proclaimedthat such a vast territory cannot belong to Russia alone. However, modern research by political scientists has not found a single verified source of this information.

            https://vesdoloi.ru/rays-kondoliza-lichnaya-zhizn/
      2. trampoline instructor (Cotriarch Peril) 21 February 2022 19: 53
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        Can you confirm this with a link to some source?
        Where, when, on what occasion did Thatcher say that?
    4. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
      steelmaker 21 February 2022 17: 01
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      why should Ukraine want to regain control over this zoo (ORDLO)?

      Also say that the LDNR themselves are shelling and blowing up! "Gyulchitay, open your face."
  3. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 21 February 2022 09: 44
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    One of the consequences, in the event of a escalation of the conflict and the application of Western sanctions to the Russian Federation, could be the collapse of the Reichs dollar. As it was with the Reichs mark.
  4. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 21 February 2022 09: 47
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    Western leaders' constant contacts with Putin and their subsequent publication of his encouraging responses already seriously resemble control over his actions.
    The West, as it were, is trying to create a "corridor" for our actions, "catch by the tongue."
    It is hard to say how successful this is, but behind all this peacekeeping fuss with the worthless Minsk agreements, the rapidly deteriorating situation around us really fades into the background. Using our useless maneuvering under the Minsk agreements, the West is hastily focusing on aggression against us.
    Maybe it's time for Putin to send them all to one place and take a break - for his own urgent foreign policy affairs?
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 21 February 2022 12: 30
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      Neither Russia nor Ukraine needs Donbass by itself, this is a wild headache for restoring the region and providing for its population. It turns out that in any layout, only the United States and China need a conflict. The People's Republic of China has more and more opportunities to obtain log timber, methane, and oil at dumping prices. Since the Russian Ministry of Defense will require considerable funds, not those that were previously budgeted. Moreover, consumer loans, for the purchase of cars, were distributed by banks for 1 trillion rubles!
  5. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 February 2022 10: 06
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    In this sense, from a cynical point of view, the LDNR conflict is beneficial, because it buries the Minsk agreements and brings the republics closer to Russia's recognition of their independence and to the prospect of further integration into Russia.

    The prospect of refusing Russian gas scares Europe, but pro-American agents of influence still hold commanding heights in the political circles of France and Germany. How and when this contradiction will be resolved, one can only guess.

    Paradoxically, the Russian people stand to gain from further severing economic and political ties with the West.

    "From a cynical point of view" the war in (for) Ukraine is beneficial to Russia. And Russians living in Ukraine. The war buries the Minsk Agreements and breaks economic ties with Europe. No matter what they say, the States will not support Europe. Economic problems in Europe are burying the EU and (in the future, NATO). I mean the old NATO. The states will create a new NATO from the Baltic states, Poland, the remnants of Ukraine and Romania. The war will force Europe to make a choice: either economic development in alliance with Russia, or a colony of the States. The giants of Europe (France and Germany) will no doubt choose to keep their economies.
    The opinion of China, Ukraine and other Balts can be neglected as insignificant and not considered. China, due to its remoteness, and no one will ask the small mongrels of Europe.

    The main thing is that the struggle is for a security structure in Europe and economic dominance in the world.
    Solution: liquidation of Ukraine as a state and elimination of interference between Russia and the West.

    Summary: "What consequences will a new war in Donbass have"? In the event of a quick defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, only positive for Russia and the LDNR. In the case of a protracted conflict - negative.
    You can curse Hitler, but the idea of ​​"blitzkrieg" had a reasonable economic basis. By the way, he was not the founder of the blitzkrieg. If you carefully read the Schlieffen plan, then Schlieffen also proposed this idea. And before that, Bismarck and Moltke senior.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 21 February 2022 11: 36
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      Yes, that's right. The failing EU economy, due to the lack of Russian methane and oil, will force the lifting of anti-Russian sanctions. Therefore, this war is beneficial for Russia. The Russian economy will receive a tremendous boost. Investments and the most advanced technologies will flow like a full-flowing river. Foreign qualified guest workers from Germany, from France, from Great Britain, from the USA will strive to Russia. laughing laughing
  6. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 February 2022 10: 20
    +2
    small addition
    The talks between Putin and Biden (which Macron is so busy talking about) make no sense and will end in nothing. Only the transfusion from empty to empty will continue. This will lead to a delay in the decision (appointed for February 24) and unnecessary casualties. Every day, up to 1000 shells and mines fall on the LDNR.

    Macron said that in the event of a Russian invasion of Ukraine, negotiations would not take place.
    Putin is simply obliged to declare that if the shelling does not stop, there will be no negotiations.

    This is a necessary condition for the meeting. Which shouldn't even be discussed. Let Biden put his Zelensky on the chain.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 21 February 2022 11: 39
      -5
      Every day, up to 1000 shells and mines fall on the LDNR.

      Civilian LDNR has a high pain threshold! 8 years under mines and shells. Longer than in the Great Patriotic War. And this is at the Russian borders. But Gazprom is satisfied. They built pipelines to Europe, they saved Ukrainian transit, they received an order, billions in bonuses to their pockets.
  7. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 21 February 2022 11: 33
    -1
    Quote: Bakht
    This will delay the decision (scheduled for February 24)

    As far as I know, Lavrov's negotiations with someone there are scheduled for 24. There is no date for the meeting of the presidents yet.

    Macron said that in the event of a Russian invasion of Ukraine, negotiations would not take place.

    Again, according to my data, the demand was not Macron, but Biden.

    But, if you do not find fault with trifles, then it is quite possible that there is simply a delay in empty chatter.

    On the other hand, perhaps they promised gingerbread, and not just a stick. Although, in my opinion, no one will offer anything strategically important to Russia. Because the elimination of the nationalist state is necessary.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 21 February 2022 12: 26
      -3
      Meanwhile, the combat readiness of the troops is declining. It is inappropriate to keep military personnel in immediate readiness for combat operations for more than a couple of weeks. The rear structures of the KChF, for example, are not designed to supply such a number of crews and ships. Macron's antics are another carrot to reduce the offensive spirit of Russian units and crews.
  8. 1_2 Offline 1_2
    1_2 (Ducks are flying) 21 February 2022 11: 48
    0
    there will be no war, there will be the surrender of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the rapid destruction of the few Bandera Natsiks.
    and then the dissolution of Ukraine and the revival of Russian Little Russia
  9. Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 21 February 2022 12: 26
    0
    Quote: Bulanov
    One of the consequences, in the event of a escalation of the conflict and the application of Western sanctions to the Russian Federation, could be the collapse of the Reichs dollar. As it was with the Reichs mark.

    Naturally. The dollar will collapse, the whole world will pay in rubles.
    But in fact it will be as usual, the ruble will break through the next bottom, a Chinese smartphone will cost 90 thousand, and a carton of milk 800g rubles 200
    1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
      Bulanov (Vladimir) 21 February 2022 13: 58
      +1
      In the event of a conflict escalating, it is better to know not how many rubles a smartphone will cost, but how many dollars, euros, yuan, yen, and possibly rubles a loaf of bread will cost!
      And will the victorious army feed the people in an occupied or liberated country? Here the Nazis did not feed the people of the USSR from their field kitchens. And the soldiers of the Red Army fed the Germans from their field kitchens. So it's up to you, Slava, to decide - whose soldiers do you prefer to see in the morning on your street?
  10. Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 21 February 2022 12: 30
    -2
    Quote: 1_2
    there will be no war, there will be the surrender of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the rapid destruction of the few Bandera Natsiks.
    and then the dissolution of Ukraine and the revival of Russian Little Russia

    Somehow I accidentally went into a public telegram with Ukrainian "turbo-patriots", which is of course something, but on this site it's the same, only from our side, no matter what, it's all God's dew. Putin is not mistaken, the West is to blame for everything, the Russian army, science and economy are the strongest, all Ukrainians are Nazis, the king has a full set of symptoms of "propaganda victims". I feel a real Spanish shame when I read some news and comments.
  11. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 21 February 2022 12: 41
    +1
    Quote from Muscool
    But in fact it will be as usual, the ruble will break through the next bottom, a Chinese smartphone will cost 90 thousand, and a carton of milk 800g rubles 200

    I have one just like you ... proved that gasoline at the beginning of 2015 will become the price of 100+. Well, and accordingly, all prices (due to the cost of gasoline) will increase by 2-3 times.
    Another just like you ... proved that by the end of 2015 the euro will cost 150+ rubles.
    I will not curse you. Nah, walk like that, uncovered...
    1. Muscool Offline Muscool
      Muscool (Glory) 22 February 2022 12: 01
      0
      Since 2014, prices for many products have increased by 2-3 times, especially for food.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 22 February 2022 16: 14
        0
        Now milk costs 70-80 rubles. And up to 900 gr. You scared that it would be 200 rubles.
        That is, about 2,5 times higher. Not in eight years, but in speed, right?
        And for 8 years, I don’t remember such a rise in prices - by 2-3 times, although I buy the products myself.
        FIG remember specific numbers in 2014. Feels like 1,5 times the price increased.
  12. opportunist Offline opportunist
    opportunist (dim) 22 February 2022 18: 40
    -1
    Churchill said that between war and disgrace, war is preferable, now I will rephrase this interpretation of Churchill and say that between sanctions and disgrace, sanctions are preferable. Back in 2014, on the eve of the coup, you have the opportunity to create a new state in central Europe with 15 million inhabitants from Kharkov to Odessa, Since we did not do this then, we lost the game irrevocably. Now we will have shame and sanctions.
  13. Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 25 February 2022 08: 28
    0
    Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
    Now milk costs 70-80 rubles. And up to 900 gr. You scared that it would be 200 rubles.
    That is, about 2,5 times higher. Not in eight years, but in speed, right?
    And for 8 years, I don’t remember such a rise in prices - by 2-3 times, although I buy the products myself.
    FIG remember specific numbers in 2014. Feels like 1,5 times the price increased.

    You have strange feelings. For example, my favorite Lays Crab chips in 2014 at a kiosk at a bus stop cost 55 rubles per 180g, now they cost 119,90 rubles per 150g in a store near the house, they bought watermelons in the summer at 8-10 rubles per kilo, this summer at 50, milk per liter in a soft pack it cost 27-30r now 67 rubles for 900g and so on. Chicken wings a few years ago bought for 110r, now 230
  14. borisvt Offline borisvt
    borisvt (boris) 11 March 2022 10: 28
    0
    Great and well thought out stuff! One feels regret about wasted funds, in fact, our resources, for a really senseless buying up of assets "in London". I believe that now, on the 11th of March, many share my certain gloating about the expropriation of these villas in Italy by the "Londoners" and so on!
    Well, GDP was pleasantly surprised by its determination. I would venture to suggest that now our diplomatic corps is slyly and elegantly depicting a stormy negotiation process, retracting for the many years of fruitlessness of the "Minsk", enjoying what is happening. Bitterness brings losses ((