The State Duma appealed to Vladimir Putin with the need to recognize the LPR and the DPR

February 15 2022

On February 15, during a meeting of the State Duma, the majority of parliamentarians voted for the draft resolution, previously proposed by the Communist Party. It implies an appeal to Russian President Vladimir Putin about the need to recognize the independence of the LNR and the DNR. A similar draft resolution was proposed by United Russia, but it involved an appeal to the Foreign Ministry with preliminary consultations.

351 deputies voted for the draft of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, 310 deputies of parliament voted for the United Russia project.

As State Duma Speaker Vyacheslav Volodin said, the resolution "will be signed immediately and sent to the head of state."

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Offline Monax

Monax (Hermann) 15 February 2022 14: 11

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Late.....
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  ivan2022 (ivan2022) 15 February 2022 14: 44
  
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  Quote: Monk
  Late.....
  
  So why did you procrastinate for so long if you knew it would be too late?
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  1_2 (Ducks are flying) 15 February 2022 17: 37
  
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  could have done earlier, but SP2 was slowed down, and now it is built, now you can turn both Bander and the USA on a mop
Offline Expert_Analyst_Forecaster

Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 15 February 2022 14: 16

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Here you go. The first step has been taken.
Offline Siegfried

Siegfried (Gennady) 15 February 2022 14: 32

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Now the president will have the question of recognition in the form of a single button. Thus, Russia can keep the situation with Donbass under control. Every shelling of the Donbass by Kiev, every trick of the right-wing radicals, all this will play against Ukraine, because. can become an occasion and cause of sudden recognition.
Further pressure on Ukraine can be developed by further integration of Donbass into the Russian Federation. The legal system, taxes, economy, education, in general, all aspects of life, activities, will be synchronized with Russia. And the main aspect, security, could be provided by the supply of weapons and possibly the deployment of the RF Armed Forces on the territory of Donbass. Kiev will watch for a long and painful time as the Donbass floats away, but the recognition itself can wait. It can wait for a suitable occasion, which will certainly be provided by idiots in Kiev.
The fact that the de-escalation began before the meeting with Scholz suggests that he did not earn the privilege of being the savior of Europe. And he could, if he were the real chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany. Could one second become the most powerful politician in Europe. But didn't...
Offline 123

123 (123) 15 February 2022 14: 37

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The process has started! However, the information on acceptance has not yet appeared on the site. The details are curious. What are the limits of recognition?
https://sozd.duma.gov.ru/bill/70489-8
Offline Expert_Analyst_Forecaster

Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 15 February 2022 14: 42

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Quote: Siegfried
Every shelling of the Donbass by Kiev, every trick of the right-wing radicals, all this will play against Ukraine, because. can become an occasion and cause of sudden recognition.

No, dad. Do not even hope that "every shelling" will end with just the recognition of the republics.
Eight years they pulled and hoped that it would resolve itself. "Russians take a long time to harness, but they drive fast."
Offline ivan2022

ivan2022 (ivan2022) 15 February 2022 14: 43

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There will be leverage on Uncle Ze. If you do not want to comply with the Minsk agreements, we recognize the Donbass.
Offline Jacques sekavar

Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 15 February 2022 15: 52

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All this must have been three years or more ago when the DPR-LPR asked for their recognition, to which there was no reaction from the Duma members.
Their initiative today not only does not solve any problems with Ukraine, the EU and NATO, with the US and the UN, but only exacerbates them.
The legislation of the DPR-LPR recognizes its borders within the administrative borders of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions. Recognition of the DPR-LPR means the inevitability of hostilities in order to reach the administrative borders and capture Mariupol.
This contradicts all the previous rhetoric of the Russian Federation and exposes V.V. Putin, which he will not allow. He has kept his word since the sinking of the Kursk submarine and has never broken it.
As Vladimir Putin said, in the event that NATO refuses to meet the requirements of the Russian Federation, the problem of NATO expansion will be solved by military-technical measures, which means radically - once and for all.
This option is completely in line with the assumption of Yakov Kedmi, which he expressed in a conversation with Solovyov.
At a meeting between Putin, Shoigu and Lavrov, it was decided to continue negotiations. It is obvious that NATO will never return to the borders of 1997, but may agree to non-expansion at the expense of Ukraine and Georgia (and as with Sweden, Finland, Azerbaijan) and non-deployment of strike assets on their territory in exchange for the withdrawal of some part of the troops stationed on European territory RF for the Urals.
Such an agreement will suit everyone - the Russian Federation, Ukraine, the DPR-LPR, NATO, and the PRC will support it. The United States then has nowhere to go, will be forced to agree.
Apparently agreeing to this, the Russian Federation is strenuously working out the transfer of large masses of military equipment and personnel over long distances - from the Khabarovsk province to Belarus, from Novgorod to Almaty.
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  Dear sofa expert. 15 February 2022 16: 16
  
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  The legislation of the DPR-LPR recognizes its borders within the administrative borders of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions. Recognition of the DPR-LPR means the inevitability of hostilities in order to reach the administrative borders and capture Mariupol.
  
  Yes, but only not by the Russian army, but by the forces of the LDNR themselves (well, maybe even Chechen, or even Abkhazian volunteers in general).
  
  This contradicts all the previous rhetoric of the Russian Federation and substitutes V.V. Putin,
  
  In no way contradicts and does not substitute, because Putin does not plan the invasion of Russian troops in Ukraine. The troops are there solely to secure the LDNR (sheep), in order to cool the ardor of "some third party" and prevent it from preventing the legal return of its lands by the Donbass.
Offline Expert_Analyst_Forecaster

Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 15 February 2022 16: 21

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Quote: Dear sofa expert.
Yes, but not by the Russian army, but by the forces of the LDNR themselves

I think that after recognition, a military treaty between the republics and the Russian Federation is possible. And the subsequent joint liberation of the territory of the republics from the invaders. And a full-fledged war with the former Ukraine, if it does not show sobriety and DO NOT liberate the territory voluntarily. Which is unlikely.
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  Dear sofa expert. 15 February 2022 16: 30
  
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  I think that after recognition, a military treaty between the republics and the Russian Federation is possible. And the subsequent joint liberation of the territory of the republics from the invaders.
  
  If the West responds to the recognition of the LDNR with sanctions, then the “military treaty ..” will already be a response to the sanctions. The West understands this and will not rush to react sharply to recognition.
Offline Expert_Analyst_Forecaster

Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 15 February 2022 16: 23

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Quote: Jacques Sekavar
Their initiative today not only does not solve any problems with Ukraine, the EU and NATO, with the US and the UN, but only exacerbates them.

You forgot to mention UNESCO and the Inspectorate for Juvenile Affairs.
Offline Expert_Analyst_Forecaster

Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 15 February 2022 16: 33

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Quote: Dear sofa expert.
If the West responds to the recognition of the LDNR with sanctions

If? Do you have any doubts that sanctions will be imposed?

In general, this is flawed logic. Like, if sanctions are imposed, then we ...
The initiative in this case is always with the enemies. It's time not to wait, but to act according to your plan and schedule.
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  Dear sofa expert. 15 February 2022 16: 46
  
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  If? Do you have any doubts that sanctions will be imposed?
  
  Well, depending on what. Formal, such as "Putin and Shoigu are not allowed to visit a pizzeria in Milan" - let them impose. They can be answered in the same way). While they are barking, they do not bite.
  
  In general, this is flawed logic. Like, if sanctions are imposed, then we
  
  No, why .. in the context of the above:
  
  ... This contradicts all the previous rhetoric of the Russian Federation and substitutes V.V. Putin, which he will not allow ...
  
  ..Quite competent diplomatic game. The question is not "if they .. then we", but in order to observe some formal sequences.
  
  Do you know why in chess the rules do not allow you to make two moves in a row?
  To give the enemy the opportunity to make a mistake himself.)
Offline Expert_Analyst_Forecaster

Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 15 February 2022 16: 52

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Quote: Dear sofa expert.
Do you know why in chess the rules do not allow you to make two moves in a row?

Our politicians did not make any moves at all for a long time. We looked at the opponent's moves and only discussed them. Probably expecting the worst mistakes of the opponent. Something like this "game" does not impress me.
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  Dear sofa expert. 15 February 2022 17: 01
  
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  Our politicians did not make any moves at all for a long time. We looked at the opponent's moves and only discussed them. Probably expecting the worst mistakes of the opponent. Something like this "game" does not impress me.
  
  I understand you.
  This is sometimes true, it is difficult to assess what did not happen, or moreover, what is possible by a miracle, so far it has been possible to prevent.
  
  You are alive and well (me too), sit down, write to me, I will answer you .. isn't this gut?)
  
  It only seems to you (to us) that no one has done anything. Only now .. Our Crimea, the bridge has been built, the LDNR is now recognized .. and so, you are right .. "we sat and only discussed" ..
  And so I wanted to shoot.)) Yes?
Offline Expert_Analyst_Forecaster

Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 15 February 2022 16: 56

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Well, depending on what.

Again a limitation. Plans are built not on the basis of their own goals and capabilities, but only as a reaction (God forbid, disproportionate) to the actions of enemies. Well, yes, if there is an eternity ahead, then such a strategy can work. But we hardly have more than five years.
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  Dear sofa expert. 15 February 2022 17: 23
  
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  Again a limitation. Plans are built not on the basis of their own goals and capabilities, but only as a reaction (God forbid, disproportionate) to the actions of enemies.
  
  I would not see with such categoricalness even in enemies, there are more enemies than they are. The same ones can be your (often forced) enemies, and at the same time - reliable partners.
  You understand that Russia has only one enemy today - the United States. The rest only dutifully follow in line with their interests.
  You need to focus on treating the disease, and not on suppressing its symptoms.
  
  Well, yes, if there is an eternity ahead, then such a strategy can work.
  
  Each of us secretly hopes for our own eternity.)
  
  But we hardly have more than five years.
  
  More optimism!
Offline Expert_Analyst_Forecaster

Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 15 February 2022 17: 10

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Our Crimea, the bridge has been built, the LDNR is about to be recognized .. and so, you are right .. “we sat and only discussed” .. And I really wanted to shoot.)) Yes?

Well, yes, at first they let Ukraine go. But Crimea was returned and even a bridge was built. It's like giving a queen for a knight and considering it a reasonable exchange. Now sanctions are being imposed from all sides. But we are glad that we started import substitution. And there are even some successes.

And about shooting ... The army is also a resource. Which should not be forgotten. And why not use it? Because our partners-enemies prefer to use the economy to strike at our country? Again we wait until they start bombing us? Then, of course, we will answer. If they let us.
Which is unlikely.
Offline Expert_Analyst_Forecaster

Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 15 February 2022 17: 15

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Quote: Dear sofa expert.
You are alive and well (me too), sit down, write to me, I will answer you .. isn't this gut?)

I have children. I wish they had guts too.
But this is unlikely if our authorities do not change anything. And now they are doing pretty well too.
Offline Expert_Analyst_Forecaster

Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 15 February 2022 17: 36

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More optimism!

As a layman, I am very optimistic. In the shoes of an expert, I only have poor forecasts for the future.
If nothing changes fundamentally.
Offline Expert_Analyst_Forecaster

Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 15 February 2022 17: 38

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Quote: Dear sofa expert.
You understand that Russia has only one enemy today - the United States.

Not sure. In the case of Ukraine, the same Germany and France pursued their own interests. I don't think they were pushed by the US. Japan, even without the United States, is also far from our friend. States with history always have their own interests.
Offline 1_2

1_2 (Ducks are flying) 15 February 2022 17: 40

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strangely, there is no comment by moisha gunimer that without the support of the naval aviation of the Russian Federation it is physically impossible to recognize the independence of the LDNR
Offline gorskova.ir

gorskova.ir (Irina Gorskova) 15 February 2022 19: 41

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To those who "minus" normal comments about the recognition of the DNR, LNR. You can do it any way you like. Process started. You jumped, yelled, killed. Your country has been torn apart and thrown. But even without a twinge of conscience they announce for you that you will go to the last drop. And they will chew popcorn and neigh with pleasure, watching how it expires from you.
Offline Ulysses

Ulysses (Alexey) 15 February 2022 21: 05

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State Duma, the majority of parliamentarians voted for the draft resolution, previously proposed by the Communist Party

As a realist, he doubted that the Communist Party project would pass.
However, the issue is already so overripe that the stupidity with "coordinations and consultations" was rejected almost unanimously.
Offline Marciz

Marciz (Stas) 15 February 2022 21: 47

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No, guys, it's already too late, somehow we'll figure it out without you and your half-measures, don't give people false hopes, only bastards do this !!!
Offline Kazimir Prutikoff

Kazimir Prutikoff (Kazimir Prutikoff) 16 February 2022 12: 01

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Now it's up to Putin. Even the completely pro-government Duma understands that recognition cannot be delayed!