The response of the United States and NATO to the demands of Russia looks like an outright insult

The details of the documents that representatives of the United States and the North Atlantic Alliance handed over to Moscow as their official response to its demands for effective security guarantees remained information "closed" to the general public for some time. However, the fact that there is absolutely nothing in them that can inspire at least some optimism, and, most importantly, hope for a further fruitful dialogue, was clear from the outset. And not only according to, let's say, a very unambiguous and characteristic reaction of the "first persons" of our state, but also based on the further actions of the "collective West", the rhetoric of its main speakers. The last hopes were dispelled on February 1 personally by Vladimir Putin.

During a press conference that took place in the Kremlin after his talks with Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, the president bluntly and frankly stated that opponents "ignored" all the most significant points that "cause fundamental concern" of our country. According to Vladimir Vladimirovich, the West firmly intends to "strengthen its security at the expense of others." This is, in principle, an exhaustive characteristic. Nevertheless, on February 2, the Spanish edition of El País published not only the most complete summary of the answers that so disappointed the domestic leader, but even copies of the relevant documents. Tellingly, neither in Brussels nor in Washington did they disown them, they did not come out with a refutation. Therefore, "what is written - to believe." Well, let's try to understand the essence of the position taken by our "sworn friends", and most importantly, to understand whether there is at least some rational grain for our country in it.

Everywhere - "double bottom"

At first glance, our opponents are quite constructive. No one responds to Russia with a decisive refusal to implement any of the points proposed. It does not threaten with a declaration of war and other "punishments from heaven" for the "arrogance" shown. On the contrary, both the Americans and NATO are ready to “discuss”, “seek consensus” and even seem to agree to make some concessions. That's just ... One has only to carefully study all their "counter proposals", delving into their true essence, and it immediately becomes clear: they want to "throw" Russia corny. Every step that the United States and the Alliance "take towards" contains a catch, a "double bottom". Or - details that are a priori unacceptable for us. At the very least, they reduce to zero the whole positive meaning of possible agreements. Let's sort it out in order.

So, the United States, so be it, agrees to negotiate with our country "non-deployment of offensive missile weapons on the territory of Ukraine", and indeed "any military forces to perform combat missions." Success? Breakthrough? After all, our troops are not there anyway. Therefore, we restrict exclusively Americans. Do not rush to conclusions! Have you by any chance forgotten that Washington considers Crimea (and will consider it!) “Ukrainian territory”?! Our country, "behaved" for such a "grand gesture", will be forced to "sign" under the complete demilitarization of the peninsula! How will this step end in the end, I hope there is no need to explain? By the way, in the paragraph where exactly this proposal is stated, our overseas opponents continue to talk about the “concentration of Russian troops on the Ukrainian border” and demand their “withdrawal”. Where? Presumably, beyond the Urals and not closer. Will we do it too? This is just the first example. However, everything else is sustained in exactly the same vein.

The Americans are also ready to talk about short-range and medium-range missiles (exclusively in the ground-based version). Do you know what they offer as "guarantees" on this issue? “Confirm the absence of the Aegis missile defense system on launchers, the very ones deployed, for example, in Romania and Poland, “the absence of Tomahawk cruise missiles.” How to confirm?! Nuuuuu ... Confirm and that's it. Presumably - "the word of the gentlemen." About to remove at least from Eastern Europe the launchers themselves to hell - as we demand, there can even be no question. And even then, overseas “benefactors” are ready to promise Moscow three boxes about the “lack of Tomahawks” (which can subsequently appear there at any moment) only if our country “provides similar transparency measures at any two bases of ground-based missiles at Russian territory! What is characteristic - by their choice.

I am ready to put a gold piece against an empty matchbox - it will be about us withdrawing our missile divisions from, again, the Crimea and Kaliningrad. How do you like this "fair deal"? Does it buzz a little? No - from such proposals reeks a mile away with the most notorious swindle and outrageous arrogance. And, by the way, about the withdrawal of their own troops from Eastern Europe and bringing the state of NATO's presence in this region to the level of 1997 (as Russia demands), these swindlers refuse to even start talking. "We're not going anywhere!" The bases, arsenals, missile launch pads and everything else stuffed there by the Pentagon are proclaimed in the United States as "proportionate and strictly limited deployment of forces." In principle, this could already be the end, but there are still so many interesting things ahead!

Why "no", "no" and "no"

Washington graciously deigns to "chat" about "limiting the risks of exercises in Europe." In particular, those in which there is a "nuclear component". There will be no talk of a complete rejection of such (in accordance with our proposals). Well, except perhaps a discussion of some kind of “new notification mode” about maneuvers and similar rubbish. But the tricksters from Washington really want to... expand the START-3 treaty. Have you already guessed, due to which articles? Right! They dream of reducing and banning "dual-use missiles" (that is, our entire "hypersound" in full force), as well as "new intercontinental systems for the delivery of nuclear weapons." O! This is clearly about Poseidon. He, too, is under the knife. In the final lines of this defiant and boorish response, the Americans remind that they intend to speak with Moscow only “after the de-escalation of the situation around Ukraine.” And, yes, by the way -policy the Alliance's open doors will remain unchanged."

In my opinion, the only thing missing from the document is a specific indication of the address where we can go on foot with our security proposals. However, the answer that the NATO representatives gave birth to gives rise to even more vivid emotions. And it is sustained, one might say, in a humorous way. That is, the clowns from Brussels begin it with ranting about "settlement of the situation around Ukraine." And - what a laugh! – “in accordance with the Minsk agreements”. Yes, yes, the very ones that Kiev flatly refuses to comply with. Well, then begins, as they say in certain circles, "complete trash." The North Atlantic Alliance demands from Moscow immediately (and moreover, immediately) "to withdraw its troops from Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova, where they, you see," were stationed without the consent of these countries.

That is, to put it simply, we are ordered to surrender Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Transnistria. Well, and, of course, the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics. So here it is - easily and without a fight. At the first snap of Brussels' fingers. Present in the document and other "Wishlist" - to match the above. For example, in no case should Russia create and test weapons systems "capable of destroying satellites." Well, of course, where is the brave soldiery of the Alliance good without GPS-navigation? And, again, to spy on our country in such harmful conditions as you command?

In addition to this, we are ordered to “return to the implementation of the provisions of the Treaty on the Limitation of Non-Nuclear Forces in Europe” (CFE), which Moscow sent far away, God forbid, in 2007. This mossy relic of the Cold War era was concluded in 1990 between the Warsaw Pact and NATO and was intended, as much as possible, to "cut off" the power of the Warsaw Pact in conventional weapons - tanks, artillery, combat aircraft and the like. The agreement, in fact, lost all meaning after the collapse of the USSR and the military bloc headed by it, whose members unanimously gave a rattle to the Alliance. And then NATO began to move closer to our borders - first crawling, and then skipping... That's why we left the CFE Treaty. And now the “wise men” from Brussels want to revive it, having received the right to demand from us the “reduction” of our Armed Forces, and in addition to control the movement of their units and subunits on Russian territory. Nothing more? Oh, yes - the Alliance is also eager to return its representative office to Moscow, from where it was put up not so long ago. Here's what we can do without!

The most interesting thing is that some "experts" and "political scientists", who, at first glance, seem to be loyal to our country, are already talking about the fact that the agenda proposed by the "collective West" can be considered as "a serious foreign policy step forward for Moscow ". Almost like her victory. But at the same time, it is deeply incomprehensible - what will this really be? In "guarantees of non-deployment of NATO strategic weapons near Russian borders"? So after all they are not present - these guarantees! There are only empty promises, for the mere receipt of which Russia will be forced to pay such a colossal military-strategic and geopolitical price that completely nullifies all hypothetical "benefits" from Western extremely slippery "peace proposals".

In essence, both responses - both the United States and NATO - can only be seen as outright insults. For you can only deal with something like this to someone who is considered a completely complete, incurable, clinical idiot. Well, either a coward and a weakling - which is no better for our collective pride. Vladimir Putin, who got acquainted with these “masterpieces” much earlier than the readers of El País and other media that reprinted it, is a hundred thousand times right in their assessment. We were ignored, Russia, let's call a spade a spade, we were simply denied the right to security. Of course, one cannot agree with this - now it remains only to convince our opponents of the fallacy of their position. By any means.
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  1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 3 February 2022 09: 29
    Until Putin begins to change the economic course of the country, no one will talk to him. Our entire economy is in the hands of the Anglo-Saxons. And you can engage in talking, indefinitely.
    1. Offline (Irina Gorskova) 3 February 2022 20: 26
      This is your truth. Well, no one talks. True, here is Orban, from Argentina, the same Johnson, and Stolz and Macron are already at a low start .... Yes, and a meeting has already been scheduled with Xi .... And how Zelensky began to break through at least someone before clear eyes .. Already Erdogan connected .... But really, well, no one, no one. Although Psaki has already expressed something differently here ....
      1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
        steelmaker 4 February 2022 10: 14
        Here Psaki is your level of education! Found someone to give as an example!
        1. Offline
 (Irina Gorskova) 4 February 2022 11: 20
          I'm sorry, but you don't have to attribute your level to others.
          1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
            steelmaker 4 February 2022 16: 45
            This is your level, and I have education. Psaki hello.
  2. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 3 February 2022 09: 40
    Of course, one cannot agree with this - now it remains only to convince our opponents of the fallacy of their position. By any means.

    We are waiting, sir.
  3. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 3 February 2022 09: 43
    And here there were articles that the United States and NATO would not go anywhere, Putin outplayed everyone, they would do it one way or another ...

    It never happened, and here it is again...
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 3 February 2022 12: 28
      Sergey Latyshev, so is this the next game, or do you want the loser to die? smile
      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 3 February 2022 12: 32
        Well, that's a completely different thing...

        How many more peremozhnyh articles can be published then !!!!
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 3 February 2022 13: 00
          These articles pursue certain goals, and therefore it is interesting to read.
          I sometimes disagree with your assessments, but you sincerely and honestly express your point of view, so I think. This is also interesting. yes
  4. Ungern Offline Ungern
    Ungern (Lorpaaa Kkenooj) 3 February 2022 09: 57
    Nobody is afraid of Putin
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 3 February 2022 10: 55
      And fools still write about it.
      1. Ungern Offline Ungern
        Ungern (Lorpaaa Kkenooj) 3 February 2022 15: 13
        Prove if you can
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 3 February 2022 18: 11
          What makes you doubt Ungern Lorpaaa Kkenooj?
    2. Bystander Offline Bystander
      Bystander (Innocent) 3 February 2022 17: 40
      What is there to be afraid of?

      In December, he himself with a half-crying look whined about the approach of NATO to the borders of the Russian Federation.

      And about the danger of losing Ukraine.

      But he himself lost Ukraine with his stupid politics and swagger - partly in 2014, when he helped "his own", and put "semi-friends" in a pose "sic" to cover up Krymka, taken under the guise.
      And he finally lost Ukraine in January 2022, when he showed everyone in Ukraine (including the remaining pro-Russians) that the "big brother" is completely inadequate, with a grenade / on a tank / with a rocket.
      From which - THE FURTHER - THE BETTER.

      And about the fact that the West is not afraid of Ultimatutin - it can only threaten the West with nuclear weapons.
      But the West has NOT LESS nuclear weapons than Ultimatutin.
      And without nuclear weapons, in a conventional war, Ultimatutin against the backdrop of the West is a gnome.
      And not only against the background of the West, but also against the background of their guards too.

      Something like that.
      1. isofat Offline isofat
        isofat (isofat) 3 February 2022 18: 16
        Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
        And fools still write about it.

        There are two of you already, what a nightmare. laughing
  5. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 3 February 2022 10: 12
    There could be no other answer, and therefore, putting forward an ultimatum, the strategy of the Russian Federation was determined from the very beginning, it remains to decide on tactics.
    The General Staff will offer options, the Security Council will consider, Vladimir Putin will choose.
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 3 February 2022 10: 56
      I'll veto all of this! Here!
      1. General Black Offline General Black
        General Black (Gennady) 4 February 2022 08: 44
        Will you do this standing or sitting?
    2. Tourist Offline Tourist
      Tourist (tourist) 3 February 2022 11: 10
      What are your possible options for our actions?
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 3 February 2022 11: 18
        Who are you asking a question?
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 3 February 2022 11: 26
          Do not be distructed.
          1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 3 February 2022 11: 31
            And what about the refrigerator?
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 3 February 2022 11: 53
              Veto, already imposed? Then with relief! drinks
  6. Yuri 5347 Offline Yuri 5347
    Yuri 5347 (Yuri) 3 February 2022 11: 32
    ... friends, but what, there was hope for a different answer!?) A little naive for adults. By the way, in the Reporter's articles there was an expression - Hope, a harmful category, for use in politics. I'm sure the Kremlin has calculated the answer.
  7. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
    sH, arK 3 February 2022 12: 24
    Yes. Exactly. We wait. I think you don’t have to be 7 spans in your forehead to understand that all this mess with an ultimatum was not started from scratch, and the ultimatum was made public just like that ... The idea, I suspect, was that ahead was the passage of the Rubicon, a serious a step that needs to be explained to everyone - both our own and others, that it was made not just like that, not in aggravation, but in response ... That is why the response to the "ultimatum" demanded official and written, both from the United States and from NATO.

    The answer, apparently, is not simple, including for Russians, and not one of those that can then be easily abandoned! For example, this is the signing of some kind of agreements with China, for example, the creation of a new bloc, where, in addition to Russia, China, members of the CSTO, for example, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela can also enter. Or the deployment of the production of the INF Treaty, although the United States has already withdrawn from it, but in reality, de facto, there have been no changes in the balance so far. Russia, too, in fact, has not carried out anything that violates the treaty, even if it is no longer in force. Perhaps this is preparation for the refusal to extend the START-3 treaty in 2026 - given the development of missile defense, it can hardly satisfy Russia's interests now. It won't happen quickly. At first, it is reasonable to make the US and NATO the "culprits" of everything that is happening. So - we are waiting!
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 3 February 2022 13: 27
      In fact, the public called the proposals an ultimatum, but they do not contain the main component of the ultimatum. Therefore, I am sure that this renaming is an element of information intrigues to consider the above proposals.
      1. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
        sH, arK 3 February 2022 13: 33
        Yes, that's why I put "ultimatum" in quotation marks. But the meaning does not change - this proposal was in fact unacceptable with the current self-conceit of the United States. But we all see the dynamics, and Russia is clearly not going to "slow down" it.
  8. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 3 February 2022 12: 59
    The long-term reputation of being patient with all Western insults could not lead to anything else. Each exclamation to insult Russia served as a pretext for remarks about regrets and an appeal to let us live together, but that the West immediately gave another kick. The crowning achievement of our longstanding policy.
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 3 February 2022 13: 15
      Change the penultimate letter in your nickname. yes
  9. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 3 February 2022 15: 20
    Quote: isofat
    In fact, the public called the proposals an ultimatum

    Well no. Typical ultimatum.
    First, it is stated that all points must be accepted or rejected. That is, it is not a list of offers in which you can select individual offers.
    Second, there are deadlines. Very short. And it was stated that the deadlines are serious, after them there will be, yes, military-technical sanctions, which our opponents will definitely not like. That is, there is a clearly expressed threat for non-fulfillment of the conditions of the ultimatum.
    The fact that sanctions have not yet been followed does not change the format of the ultimatum.
    While there is an ultimatum, not confirmed by the corresponding punishments. We are waiting, sir.
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 3 February 2022 16: 00
      Expert_Analyst... I understand the ultimatum as a demand with a clear threat, and the execution of this very threat depends on the side that presented the ultimatum. yes

      You don't have to formulate a threat. Quote her. It must be present explicitly.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 3 February 2022 16: 08
        I expressed my opinion and substantiated it. So you are looking for arguments against.
        If there are no arguments, then do not send me ... in search of quotes. Go... and look for yourself.
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 3 February 2022 16: 16

          You expressed your opinion, but that's all. Quote threat to the studio! laughing
          1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 3 February 2022 17: 36
            I understand that you want to do casuistry. That is, will you prove that there was no time limit and no threat? I won't argue with you.
            There was no ultimatum. You won. You are well done!
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 3 February 2022 17: 54
              We won, you and me.
  10. eat17 Offline eat17
    eat17 ( Dmitriy) 3 February 2022 18: 46
    Economy of the Russian Federation 1.7% of the world economy. Who will reckon with the economic pygmy.
  11. Offline (Irina Gorskova) 3 February 2022 20: 22
    What leaked through the "Spanish flu" is most likely a fake. And now Psaki proclaims that the word "inevitable" (an attack, allegedly by the Russian Federation on Ukraine), both she and other "high-profile persons" said only once. (!!!) And they. allegedly already ready to speak .... Maybe, of course, a temporary and brief enlightenment, but we'll see ....
  12. skeptic Offline skeptic
    skeptic 3 February 2022 23: 46
    This simply means that in the event of a provocation in Ukraine, all objects of the Armed Forces and the military-industrial complex, throughout the entire territory, should be multiplied by zero. After the announcement of sanctions, disconnection from the world economic system, nationalize the Central Bank and other objects of foreign subordination. Finally withdraw Russia from under the influence of the West.
  13. i232323b Offline i232323b
    i232323b (Igor) 4 February 2022 06: 44
    And more recently, we were not afraid of anyone, we have the best super-duper weapons. And then all the bravado disappeared abruptly.
  14. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 4 February 2022 21: 36
    We make the traditional mistake of measuring them with our own arshin.
    It is foolish to treat these answers as an insult. In them, as in all other actions, lies their personal, historical adequacy of the perception of the situation.
    The history of their nation justified this approach and rewarded their country for it.
    We need to understand this in order to adequately perceive our enemy and his reactions.
    Russia has taught lessons in history to many countries, and they, being wise, remember these lessons.
    The states have not yet received serious lessons from us. From no one at all!
    We need to scare them very much in order to teach them a lesson and we have no other choice.
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 5 February 2022 08: 26
      Those who are not frightened will threaten with their percentages of GDP until they receive evidence that not everyone is measured by percentages. Therefore, I agree that our enemies should be invited to the lessons.
      We live in a world where our enemies are trying to prove whoever has the most money is right.
      They say whoever is richer will be the master. To prove otherwise, one must sometimes show one's teeth.
  15. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 5 February 2022 09: 00
    Before the eyes of the picture.

    Rich son. Polished, lips in lipstick, a thick gold chain around his neck, a huge ring.
    After sniffing a cocoin, he climbed out of his Cadillac to teach the factory engineer some manners.
    With words and a cane. Because that's how it should be taught.
    But something didn't work. The engineer's muscles turned out to be stronger, and the blow was heavy.
    The engineer broke his son's cane and knocked out his teeth. Nothing, the rich boy, he will insert new ones.