Why is it too early to threaten Americans with Russian hypersonic weapons


Against the backdrop of the aggravated military-political conflict between Russia and the NATO bloc, the main intrigue is what exactly the Kremlin can present to the West as a “murderous” response to the failure to fulfill its ultimatum. Since no one is waiting for our nuclear missiles in Cuba or Venezuela, patriotic fellow journalists and bloggers call hypersonic weapons as the new “wunderwaffe”, which the United States and its allies are allegedly unable to defend against. But is it really so?


They say that only the money in your pocket is worth counting. Let's see what the real state is in the Russian aviation, army and navy with hypersonic missiles. Usually they talk about "Vanguard", "Dagger" and "Zircon".

Avanhard


This is the first of the “Putin missiles” that actually entered the experimental combat duty. It happened in 2019 in the Orenburg Missile Division. The delivery of hypersonic missiles to the second regiment is expected in 2023. What is known about this type of weapon?


Avangard is a hypersonic guided warhead with a capacity of 800 kilotons to 2 megatons, launched by an intercontinental ballistic missile UR-100N UTTKh. Its main advantage is its phenomenal speed, reaching Mach 27-28, and the ability to maneuver, which makes it almost impossible to intercept it with existing anti-missile systems. Why not a "wunderwaffe"? However, there are spots on the Sun.

So, instead of a multiple warhead with 6 parts of the UR-100N ICBM, UTTKh is forced to carry only 1 Avangard unit, which reduces its effectiveness by 6 times. At the same time, the invulnerability of hypersonic weapons is still somewhat exaggerated: it may take about 50 American SM-3 anti-missiles to intercept the Avangard. This is a lot, but still a hypersonic missile cannot be called irresistible. The high temperature of the flying Avangard simplifies its detection by infrared sensors placed in orbit. If the Americans and their allies launch promising missile defense systems into space, their ability to intercept Russian missiles will increase.

"Dagger"


This is another hypersonic missile that has really moved from the stage of "cartoons" to "iron". In fact, the "Dagger" is an air version of the rocket from the Iskander OTRK. Unfortunately, he also inherited his shortcomings.


Initially, the domestic media themselves dubbed this missile the "aircraft carrier killer." On paper, everything turned out smoothly: the plane takes off with the "Dagger" on the suspension of the upgraded MiG-31K fighter-interceptor, we add up the flight range of the aircraft and the missile, which gives about 3000 kilometers, the launch is made, and the irresistible "Dagger" hits the deck, the control room, and then the reactor of the American aircraft carrier. The existing sea-based AUG missile defense system of the US Navy is not able to intercept a hypersonic missile. Beauty!

Colleagues just forgot that the Iskanders and, consequently, the Daggers are not able to hit moving highly maneuverable targets. This is an aeroballistic missile without ARLGSN (active radar homing head). It is designed to destroy stationary targets, but the US Navy aircraft carrier from a distance of 3000 kilometers will sink the Dagger only if it stands peacefully at the pier.

At the same time, it should be noted that there is an acute shortage of carriers for these hypersonic missiles. So far, only a few dozen supersonic MiG-31K fighters have been able to convert under them, from which an air regiment has been formed. Also, fighters of the 5th generation Su-57, Tu-22M3M bombers and Tu-160 "strategists" were called as potential carriers, but things are still there. This is all that we have "in our pocket" here and now.

By the way, it is not clear why hang "Daggers" under the Su-57 stealth fighters, depriving them of the advantage in the form of stealth.

"Zircon"


Around these hypersonic anti-ship missiles, a lot of copies have already been broken. "Zircons" are hailed to the skies as the next "aircraft carrier killers" and a thunderstorm for the US Navy. At the same time, they forget that this is just an ordinary anti-ship missile, albeit a very fast one. Threatening the Americans with "Zircons" is also too early.


At first, they have not yet been tritely adopted and are not mass-produced. On January 13, 2022, the State Commission only recommended that missiles be adopted by surface ships, reported TASS:

Based on the results of state tests of the Zircon hypersonic missile from a surface carrier, the State Commission recommended that it be adopted by surface ships of the Russian Navy.

Submarines will have to wait until at least 2024, when test launches from submarines will resume.

Secondly, for the above reason, the value of the Zircons for deterring the US Navy will be small due to the extremely modest number of surface carrier ships. These among the ships of the far sea zone in the Russian Navy include the Admiral Nakhimov TARKR after modernization is completed, 22350 frigates of project 3 of the Admiral Gorshkov type, which have already been built, project 1155M BOD Marshal Shaposhnikov, recently turned into a frigate , plus the rest of the large anti-submarine ships and the Peter the Great TARKR after modernization. Not much.

Thirdly, the problem with target designation for Zircons is still not radically resolved. Yes, the Liana satellite constellation is gradually being formed. The devices are launched to a height of 800-900 kilometers, which should complicate their destruction by American anti-satellite missiles, the service life of each is limited to 7 years. But let's not forget that the US Air Force has X-37B unmanned spaceplanes in orbit, capable of long patrols and maneuvering. Such mini-shuttles can pose a potential danger to Russian targeting satellites, incapacitating them to "dazzle" the Russian Navy. As an alternative, for issuing target designation data to Zircons, Caliber and Onyxes, the Russian fleet could use carrier-based AWACS aircraft, but we do not have them as a class and have been declared “unnecessary”.

What intermediate conclusions can we draw?

Disappointing. It is still too early for us to threaten the Americans and their allies with hypersonic missiles.
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  1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 22 January 2022 15: 30
    +6
    And no need to threaten. We must continue to work in order not to remain defenseless against a nuclear strike by our "Western partners" in 3-5 years.
    And do not forget, in addition to the United States, to hit the "aircraft carriers" of Great Britain and Japan - a couple of hundred megatons for each "aircraft carrier".
    1. Energetik42 Offline Energetik42
      Energetik42 (Energetik42) 25 January 2022 11: 52
      0
      Dear, do you think that the West is preparing a nuclear attack on the Russian Federation, and why, then, has it not been carried out yet? For example, in the 50s or 60s, when the advantage was absolutely on the side of NATO? It is precisely the West that wants to drag the Russian Federation into the arms race, knowing that the Russian Federation will not pull it and will capitulate.
      1. Moraceae Offline Moraceae
        Moraceae (Moraceae) 29 January 2022 14: 30
        -1
        How does he want to involve the Russian Federation if he does not pull it himself? Maybe Germany is pulling it with a little more than 200 tanks, where only a little more than 100 are actually combat-ready, according to the German Ministry of Defense itself, or Turkey (NATO's 2nd army in terms of power), which buys air defense systems from Russia, and not from the United States?

        Who is really pulling the arms race, except for the US itself?
        The United States itself has declared that its hypersonic program was a failure. Throughout 2021, they tested their only cruise hypersonic missile. As a result, out of 3 launches, we got 3 falls (the last time in December). More precisely, no - not launches, the rocket never took off at all, it was only dropped from an airplane.

        The author mentioned the US X-37B spaceplanes, which are not in service with the US at all, these are experimental prodigies.
        While the United States was developing them, the Russian Federation had already rolled out the S-500 missile defense system (and in terms of height it is the only tactical missile defense system in the world capable of shooting down those very experimental X-37B spaceplanes), the Russian Federation has been developing the S-500 since 2002, adopted it into service in August 2021. In the fall, China also announced that it was ready to buy the S-500 (apparently in order to once again take it apart to the screw and study it).

        The word "NATO" or "West" is not appropriate here. Only the United States is relevant - and a nuclear attack on the USSR, even in the 50s, would have promised the beginning of a new war, which the United States might have won, but the losses would have been terrible, because this is not beneficial for the United States. The United States generally does not benefit from anything that does not bring profit to moneybags, therefore the United States will never start a war with more or less strong countries if, at the peak of their power in the 60-70s, they screw up, even in banana republics, against farmers with Ak-47, like the same Vietnam.
  2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 22 January 2022 16: 01
    -8
    the problem with target designation for Zircons is still not radically resolved.

    Why does Zircon need target designation? A hypersonic vehicle flies in a cloud of plasma, through which it is very difficult (or impossible) to transmit a radio signal.

    PS The author is a straight destroyer of some kind. So you can’t argue with his arguments, but the spiritually uplifting fantasies of the “cheers-patriots” about the wunderwaffe are knee-deep ...
    1. Dear sofa expert. 22 January 2022 16: 20
      +2
      Why does Zircon need target designation? A hypersonic vehicle flies in a cloud of plasma, through which it is very difficult (or impossible) to transmit a radio signal.

      PS The author is a straight destroyer of some kind. So you can’t argue with his arguments, but the spiritually uplifting fantasies of the “cheers-patriots” about the wunderwaffe are knee-deep ...

      You do not destroy your image of "educated" with your own "smart" posts.)

      ICRC "Liana" will be able to ensure the operation of all modern and advanced weapons of the navy. So, with its help it will be possible to organize strikes using Caliber missiles or use Zircon against mobile surface targets.

      https://topwar.ru/180699-mkrc-liana-v-processe-razvertyvanija.html
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 24 January 2022 11: 02
        -5
        Liana is very far from combat readiness. For the flow of reliable operational information, it needs at least 36 satellites. But with such replenishment rates, things are not going well. efforts to fill this gap.
        1. Dear sofa expert. 24 January 2022 11: 07
          +1
          For the flow of reliable operational information, it needs at least 36 satellites.

          Where such confidence?)

          Five vehicles of the Liana system are already operating in space, and this year the sixth will go into orbit. Thanks to this, the reconnaissance and target designation system will acquire a minimum working staff capable of performing all the assigned tasks.

          A source. see above.

          The article was dated March 2021, that is, the sixth is already apparently flying.

          Pion will also be launched soon (or already).

          You don't need to know this.
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 24 January 2022 11: 15
            -5
            Confidence from conversations with involved characters. The earth has the shape of a ball, the ball is divided by the number of satellites, it is easy to calculate the frequency of viewing the squares of the Earth. Liana needs communication satellites, which are also clearly not enough for the stable operation of the entire complex.
            They will launch soon - heard from 2016. And he needs more than one.
            1. Dear sofa expert. 24 January 2022 11: 19
              +1
              Confidence from conversations with involved characters

              Do not tell my slippers.) All your (as well as ours) awareness is from Wikipedia.

              Go better to your usual "pravda.com.ua". Although .. you are not particularly “accepted” there, with your “deep awareness”.)
              1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                gunnerminer (gunner miner) 24 January 2022 11: 50
                -5
                VKS from your statement is not easier. SKTs Liana is not in a position to provide a continuous stream of reliable information to the NGSH of the Armed Forces of Russia. The loss of the detachment of forces in the intelligence of the VKS, in naval reconnaissance aviation, the most operational information miner, also adds gasoline to the fire of his doubts. reconnaissance aviation in the fleets, in military districts. As in the days of the USSR. This negatively affects the power of the GRU, NGSH. Plus, in the process of implementing the modernization program for the Russian Aerospace Forces, it turned out that the production, technological and personnel degradation of the Russian aviation and space industry (as well as related industries, such as engine building) has become a serious brake. This is not to mention the fierce corruption, chaos and moronic management system, bearing all the birth trauma of the most primitive militocracy.

                In February, March and May 2018, during conference calls, Sergei Shoigu criticized USC enterprises, accusing them of failing to meet the deadlines for contract obligations, but, according to Kommersant's military source, the situation did not improve, so the discussion reached the presidential level.

                For almost four years, a radical change has not occurred. SKTs Liana has not left the experimental combat mode. Ours still do not know how to change the flight program (retarget) (the Americans could, with sin in half). 14-139V "(with an A-type fairing). See the launches" Soyuz-2-1V. In fact, hardly 2% of the declared one. pcs, 1FKhKh - 20 pcs) and 1 electronic reconnaissance satellites ("Tselina"). Plus three dozen photographic reconnaissance satellites and one 6F11 optical-electronic reconnaissance satellite "Araks" + double + for little things. There is no satellite network.
                1. Dear sofa expert. 24 January 2022 12: 00
                  +1
                  VKS from your approval is not easier.

                  The main thing is that you feel better.
                  There is a post below:

                  Online
                  sH, arK
                  sH, arK
                  Today, 01: 53
                  +2
                  So far, one thing is known about the Dagger - GOS, according to allegations - all-weather, but most likely submillimeter range ....

                  His opinion, unlike yours, is actually interesting. It can be seen that the deep in the subject.
                  1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 24 January 2022 12: 07
                    -5
                    Ammunition Iskander, which became the Dagger, is armed with one guidance system, INS. There are many opinions, this is normal. The real state of affairs will be revealed by hostilities.
                    A rough comparison, but it will do. According to the results of the strategic exercises Caucasus -2020, the Armed Forces of Armenia, together with the Armed Forces of the NKAO, defeated the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan and the Turkish Air Force in the Karabakh bridgehead. The Armed Forces of Kazakhstan and the law enforcement agencies of the Republic of Kazakhstan were the closest and most reliable ally of the Russian Armed Forces. But life has shown something else. The head of the KNB, K. Massimov, turned out to be a traitor and an accomplice of terrorists.
                    1. Dear sofa expert. 24 January 2022 20: 27
                      0
                      Ammunition Iskander, which became the Dagger, is armed with one guidance system, INS. Inertial. More is not required, since the Dagger complex was created to destroy stationary targets. With coordinates known in advance.

                      To whom are you trying to dazzle your “small hides” here?
                      The conversation was not about the aeroballistic Kinzhal, but about the 3M22 Zircon cruise missile.
                      Or do you not understand the difference?
                      I have already advised you to return to your Ukrainian site. But you stubbornly continue to fill the forum with your cheap flood.
                      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 24 January 2022 20: 31
                        -5
                        So is the 3M22 Zircon. It is not used for mobile targets. There are not even cartoons drawn about hitting a mobile target. Do not get angry. You are among friends who hate Ukraine and its unfortunate population like you.
                      2. Dear sofa expert. 24 January 2022 20: 42
                        +1
                        You are among friends who, like you, hate Ukraine and its unfortunate population.

                        I also have Ukrainian blood running through me. My mother was Ukrainian. So pass.

                        The unfortunate Ukrainian population was made by people like you. They will ask you when the time is right.

                        I understand that everything bounces off you, like peas against a wall. An embittered, deceived creature. (or several - under your nickname).
                        Your posts are useless. The volume of all this rubbish written by you, as well as the speed with which you react to all posts, only says that you (or your team of trolls) are only doing this flood here.

                        No one really reads your writings here. You are stupidly put a minus, and further .. If you only please the author of the article .. this creates the illusion of a heated discussion of his texts.
                      3. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 24 January 2022 20: 48
                        -2
                        You are a plus. The kindness of your heart and love for Russia captivates. You are among friends. Everything will work out. The fact that you do not hide details about your mother in front of the first one shows your openness and spontaneity. And 3M22 and 9-S-7760 are not designed to hit mobile targets. Talk about it with familiar military personnel .Learn even more details.Good luck!
                      4. Dear sofa expert. 24 January 2022 21: 02
                        0
                        And 3M22 and 9-S-7760 are not designed to hit mobile targets.

                        There is a concept - homing heads. A rocket can be controlled by a radio signal, for example, using the same plasma as a radar antenna or creating a "window" in the plasma. There are other options, but no one here will tell anyone about them.
                        The missile is secret, so it makes no sense at all to speculate about its "technical portrait" on indirect grounds.
                        Well, in the end, why did you cling to the mobility of the target?
                        Will your "moving target" also maneuver at hypersonic speed?)
                        Stop talking nonsense here at last.. It's disgusting.
                      5. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 24 January 2022 22: 26
                        -3
                        There are other options, but no one here will tell anyone about them.

                        You are trying to tell. About what is not there. Plasma, windows, options. We cannot create our own telephone and personal computer, we cannot create an engine for the An-2, for the Il-112V, for the Il-114-300, for the middle class UAV, for UAV heavy class.

                        Most of the targets of operational interest are mobile. Ships, large armored vehicles, echelons, PGRK Strategic Missile Forces, LA. You are among friends, keep calm. Everyone hates the Kiev junta and Washington ones.
                      6. Dear sofa expert. 25 January 2022 00: 35
                        -1
                        You are trying to tell. About what is not.

                        Yes .. yes .. I have already heard something like that somewhere .. Oh, yes .. Crimean bridge! Yes, exactly .. there is no bridge either.)

                        We cannot create our own telephone and personal computer, we cannot create an engine for the An-2, for the Il-112V, for the Il-114-300, for the middle class UAV, for the heavy class UAV.

                        Who would doubt that?)

                        For that, jumping around with pots on your heads around the tires on fire, you do a good job.

                        But do not be sad .. not only you, but even the Germans cannot create their own telephone and personal computer, And the Americans do not know how to make Mercedes, and sometimes take off into space on the RD180, and indeed, only a few in the world know how to make passenger planes. And you knew how .. once .. until the previous generation degenerated, and it did not come to replace it - yours, brainless. They all blew, jumped, maydauns ..
                      7. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 25 January 2022 01: 28
                        -3
                        Well, except that the stories about the miracle weapon should be replaced by the Crimean bridge. The same argument. Poor bridge! Chubais, and Maidan. laughing
                      8. Dear sofa expert. 25 January 2022 02: 22
                        -1
                        Well, except perhaps the stories about the miracle weapon to replace the Crimean bridge. Also an argument. Poor bridge!

                        Yeah .. who would have thought that it would come in handy.)

                        What they didn’t replace. Su-57, T-14, Su-75, UDC, TARK, TAVKR, Il-112V, Id-114-300, PAK DA, PAK TA.

                        Is this where your "rich" fantasy has run out?)

                        But what about "cartoons"?
                        Well, there .. "Poseidons", "hypersounds", "petrels"? Oh yes, they are also poor .. they are not there either. They don't exist, but... for some reason no one likes them.

                        By the way, you are doing the right thing, that you are not afraid. It wasn't made for you. For a serious adversary.
                        And you - a crack in the forehead, and the forelock will fall off.))
                2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 19 February 2022 20: 46
                  -6
                  They did not even try to test these products against mobile targets.
  • Ksv Offline Ksv
    Ksv (Sergei) 23 January 2022 19: 02
    +2
    Not patriotic, I agree. You can't break the bonds so hard. He is a spy for sure!
  • wichera65 Offline wichera65
    wichera65 (Vladimir Baranlv) 22 January 2022 16: 27
    +4
    Vanguards are designed to strike at control points. Daggers see through plasma and have already been tested against moving targets. Mini-shuttles are perfectly shot down by our anti-missiles, which was recently clearly demonstrated.
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 22 January 2022 18: 26
      0
      Daggers see through plasma and have already been tested on moving targets.

      Can you confirm this with something?

      Mini-shuttles are perfectly knocked down by our anti-missiles, which was recently clearly demonstrated.

      We haven't shot down a single mini-shuttle yet. An old satellite is one thing, a maneuvering shuttle is another.
      And a lot will depend on who strikes first. Preemptive strikes are not our forte.
      1. Mantrid Machina Offline Mantrid Machina
        Mantrid Machina (Mantrid Machina) 23 January 2022 04: 14
        +1
        You don't think the Shuttle will maneuver like a Star Wars Tie Fighter, do you? For such devices, the maneuverability is somewhat different, it may not be in time) or it will be turned to the rocket on the wrong side
      2. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
        sH, arK 24 January 2022 01: 53
        +4
        So far, one thing is known about the Dagger - the seeker, according to allegations, is all-weather, but most likely in the submillimeter range. The range and method of target acquisition is the main secret behind seven seals. In principle, if, when attacking a target, the speed drops to 4,5M in the dive area, the rocket may no longer remain formally hypersonic, but the section lasts for several seconds, and the plasma cloud is already dissipating and an active millimeter seeker is possible. But we don’t know and can’t know the exact algorithm of the attack, as well as the flight profile and the in-flight guidance system, most likely a radio command system - but for accurate data, I’m sure they’ll take off their heads ...

        At the expense of the Vanguard - yes, a moot point. It carries a "heavy" warhead, most likely to neutralize missile defense systems - an ionizing detonation. With a simultaneous launch with conventional warheads with "buses", the Vanguard will be 5-7 minutes earlier at the target, which will make it possible to blind and withdraw missile defense systems. Well, after the bus left for shooting BCHIN, it makes no sense to intercept it! Yes, it's difficult...

        Zircon - it’s not at all clear what kind of animal ... The flight profile, and the control center systems are all in a fog ... Nothing is really clear about it at all.
        1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 January 2022 06: 58
          0
          Zircon - it’s not at all clear what kind of animal ... The flight profile, and the control center systems are all in a fog ... Nothing is really clear about it at all.

          It leads to bad thoughts that not everything is as rosy as colleagues and military "experts" who work for the media think. As well as the transfer of test launches from submarines to 2024.
        2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 24 January 2022 11: 05
          -6
          The avant-garde is five times less accurate than Yars M. The dagger is a psychological weapon. The crew of the MiG-31K is blind, since the radar was removed to lighten the weight of the aircraft. The refueling system was also removed, so the engine, which is far from economical, eats up fuel as if before being shot. became minimal.
          1. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
            sH, arK 24 January 2022 12: 00
            +3
            The QUO of the Vanguard is not known to anyone from external players ... Yes, given the focus of the Vanguard on, most likely, a blinding missile defense strike and a powerful warhead (at least 2 MT) with optimization, as I understand it, for EMP - and as a result, high-altitude detonation - accuracy is secondary for him! And the expected QUO of 700-800 meters for such a warhead power is more than sufficient!

            And you forget the main thing - the strategic nuclear forces of Russia are primarily aimed at a counter-value, and not a preemptive strike! Those. the launch is made by a counter, and not by the first blow! It is for this that the missile attack warning system has been deployed. (A strike is also considered a counter strike if the strategic nuclear forces are attacked by non-nuclear forces.) Therefore, the power of the warhead is much greater, the optimization of the majority is by infrared radiation, the strike on the target is a multiple ... The accuracy of conventional warheads (CVO 300-400 m) for such a strike is "for eyes"!
            Another question is that Russia has a gigantic potential of tactical nuclear weapons, which can be used for a preemptive military strike, non-strategic. Today, only Russia actually has such opportunities. And tactical nuclear weapons today are completely excluded from all treaty and other restrictions and control, and after the US withdrew from the INF Treaty, which, first of all, was terribly unprofitable for Russia, now the conditions are fabulous
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 24 January 2022 12: 21
              -5
              With your kind permission, I’ll slightly correct your silver thought. KVO is used when calculating the use of ammunition with high explosive. For calculations on the use of weapons of mass destruction, instead of KVO, the “kill zone” is used. teachers.

              -And you forget the main thing - Russian strategic nuclear forces are primarily aimed at anti-value, not preemptive strike-

              These are the wishes of some media outlets. And it is not clear how it will happen in real life. In a war, the situation always develops not according to plans, previously approved.

              Therefore, the power of the warhead is much greater, the optimization of the majority is by IR radiation, the strike on the target is a multiple

              With our state of intelligence, with our quantitative and qualitative space constellation, which have huge technical and development prospects, this is not relevant. Powerful nuclear warheads can be thrown with railroad cars. But with a low probability of defeat, they will not bring a radical change in our favor. Unless the PRC intelligence lends its powerful red shoulder. To fight the brutalized NATO.
              1. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
                sH, arK 24 January 2022 12: 41
                +1
                KVO - circular probable deviation, this is a characteristic of accuracy, and defeat has nothing to do with it at all!

                And I’ll add already, well, you’re just some kind of intelligence ?! Anti-value (as we called it then) - this is a blow to area targets - bases, ports, CITIES! What, intelligence?! Intelligence for TNW! For operational strikes! And the SSBN goes to the database with the flight program already loaded! There really may be an alternative choice (for finishing, the so-called) - but a fact! Moreover, the composition of the warhead itself determines the type of impact! On our boat, all the warheads were "light" and all of the air blast! Only for hitting area, unfortified targets! Against missile silos, for example, they are completely useless!
                Here you are, Khokhols, someone has aired the brain !!
                1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 24 January 2022 13: 17
                  -3
                  CVO for high explosive ammunition. Look in your
                  abstracts of the VAGSh. Refresh your memory, overloaded with introductory recent squabbles. I am impressed by your composure and polite restraint in discussions. It can be seen with the naked eye of a senior or senior officer, with a higher military education. Well prepared at the operational level, if not at the strategic level. You are my plus.

                  And the SSBN goes to the database with the flight program already loaded!

                  So it is. Because reloading the targeting is possible only on the coast, and takes more than one day. Considering the entire cycle of events. Therefore, the unavailability of the SSBN dispersal control points at the beginning of the threatened period affects. Here is a good topic for your candidate.

                  There really may be an alternative choice (for finishing, the so-called) - but a fact! Moreover, the composition of the warhead itself determines the type of impact!

                  Do not trust the tales of pre-conscripts on the forums.

                  On our boat, all the warheads were "light" and all of the air blast! Only for hitting area, unfortified targets! Against missile silos, for example, they are completely useless!

                  Innovation! Urgently rewrite the PRS (Rules of the Missile Service)! Another topic for a Ph.D. thesis. The Scientific Council of the VUNC Navy will carry you in your arms!
                  1. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
                    sH, arK 24 January 2022 13: 45
                    +2
                    Reloading the flight program takes no more than 30-40 minutes! Well, for your information, so that you don’t write nonsense and nonsense!

                    But the replacement of warheads, if the target changes from areal to fortified, and accordingly the type of main lesion changes from thermal to shock - then yes, a change can take several days if it is massive. I've never seen this in real life, but...

                    Do not write nonsense

                    Zs: and about the QUO - you should read something if the Russian decoding is incomprehensible to you! Brisance has nothing to do with it at all - this is a property of explosives, and what, the KVO of artillery will lose its meaning if you replace fragmentation with concrete-piercing or high-explosive ?! Are you sure you're sane?
                    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 24 January 2022 15: 46
                      -5
                      Reloading begins with the transition of the SSBN to the RTB berth. Then unloading, and so on. This is not for 30-40 minutes. Do not be so gullible to writing on the forums. , much of what was discussed was not seen or heard. Despite studying at the naval school, at the VUNTS of the Navy, at the VAGSh. Gradually, on this resource, you will fill in these gaps, at least partially.
                      Read the educational program. PRS (Rules for Rocket Service), even editions before 2000. Or PMS (Rules for Mine Service) G-200. Even editions before 1990. Everything is told about the types of explosives. has a relationship. You, as a naval officer, should be aware of this. You are a plus! And I wish you success in your future service.
      3. Sergey Horuzhik Offline Sergey Horuzhik
        Sergey Horuzhik (Sergey Horuzhik) 25 January 2022 16: 45
        0
        You were given a very detailed and reasoned answer on this site. Try to familiarize yourself with the arguments.
        https://cont.ws/@Gavrilenko90/2190499
        1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 January 2022 08: 42
          -1
          Nobody bothers him to answer me here, and not behind the eyes in his sandbox comfortably sit ..t.
  • S WITH Offline S WITH
    S WITH (N S) 22 January 2022 16: 39
    +3
    What is NATO so afraid of then? Do you think that their fears are in vain)) do they shoot cartoons at Mosfilm? I think the Americans also said to the naive ISIS (McCain's friends) that the Russian Federation is one big cartoon)) the Russians will not be able to do anything with three dozen aircraft and several thousand soldiers, but then they realized that they were wrong when not only hired hamadryas began to die, but also hundreds of Western and Jewish instructors of the special forces. it is clear that their fears did not come from cartoons, but from these reconnaissance satellites, it will not be difficult for them to determine the speed and range, the Americans even admitted their lagging behind, so the Russian hypersonic threat is more than real and this is the opinion of the NATO members themselves. NATO members understand that only missiles with nuclear warheads will fly in their direction (not to shoot down even one nuclear warhead is at least 1 million victims, and hundreds of them will fall), the Russian Federation does not need to chase NATO aircraft carriers in the oceans, the goal of all hyper missiles of the Russian Federation is primarily NATO cities , EU cities are all under their noses - they are quickly destroyed by Daggers, Caliber Iskanders. The avant-garde (as the fastest block) was created to destroy a distant target - the USA, it is impossible to intercept it at a speed of 28M, and this speed does not decrease much in the atmosphere, because the block has an engine, there can also be two coasts of the USA (for many years now) attacked by Caliber from nuclear weapons, from the sides of multi-purpose Russian nuclear submarines. and Zircon is like a pistol at the temple, the flight time from the apl to Washington is up to 4-5 minutes, from this thought the Yankees climb the wall, and therefore they raised hysteria, fearing to lose Ukraine, but all their cries and threats are in vain, they themselves know this )
    1. Energetik42 Offline Energetik42
      Energetik42 (Energetik42) 25 January 2022 12: 21
      0
      And as soon as other countries live, develop and prosper without MTsALP, Zircons, daggers, savoring the destruction of millions of people ...
      1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 January 2022 08: 43
        -1
        They have no prospects of making war with the United States and the NATO bloc.
  • ksa Offline ksa
    ksa 22 January 2022 17: 17
    +2
    Several times I saw the launches of Zircons on the news. But not once did they show the defeat of the target. Therefore, I do not believe in their effectiveness.

    And now about the main thing. Hypersound is not needed in order to threaten the Phindos. The outbreak of hostilities with Russia is a horror for any country, for any bloc. Russia is terrible and terrible even without hypersound.

    Good thing I'm not the president. But let's say. Tomorrow I am instructing the publication of an official statement by the President of Russia. .... in connection with the threat of irreparable losses, I declare: all bases and centers of NATO and the United States in the countries adjacent to Russia will be destroyed without warning and without declaring war ...

    Here is such a position. Tell me, who will have the courage to build these bases, knowing that in the future it threatens with a military conflict with Russia?
    1. it's too cool
    2. Energetik42 Offline Energetik42
      Energetik42 (Energetik42) 25 January 2022 12: 28
      0
      Once Hitler also said that the USSR was threatening Germany, Minister Ribbentrop even handed Plenipotentiary Dekanozov a paper stating that the concentration of Soviet troops indicated that the USSR was preparing to attack, maybe the USSR was preparing to attack, but then Germany attacked ...
    3. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 26 January 2022 12: 43
      -4
      Japan, Germany, Cyprus, Turkey and others have plucked up courage and allowed to host US and NATO bases.
  • Nikolay Moroz Offline Nikolay Moroz
    Nikolay Moroz (Nikolay Moroz) 22 January 2022 17: 20
    +3
    Thank God to the author .. reassured this Aryan nation .. otherwise they were already going to move to Siberia .. They said they wanted to take Siberia away .. get it. why should the VANGUARD OR ISKANDER with a nuclear warhead wait for the aircraft carrier to stop ... yes, let it drive across the sea .. an explosion a kilometer from the hull .. will turn all this floating Caudle with cover .. along with the planes.
    1. Ksv Offline Ksv
      Ksv (Sergei) 23 January 2022 19: 19
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      To even explode a kilometer from an aircraft carrier, target designation is also needed. Our fleet has problems with target designation. there are many articles on this topic, including from this author, read ...
      The speed of the aircraft carrier is 55 km / h, the error in target designation is 10 minutes, and the aircraft carrier will be almost 10 km from the site of the missile explosion.
    2. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 January 2022 06: 50
      0
      Nuclear weapons are also possible, but why then this hypersound at all?
    3. alexneg13 Offline alexneg13
      alexneg13 (Alexander) 6 February 2022 15: 05
      0
      Yes, even if it does not turn it over, it will still not be possible to use it, since the radioactive water-air mixture will make this collection of basins unusable for at least 100 years. Such tests were carried out by the Americans themselves and the result upset them very much. I had to flood these ships ourselves after this test.
  • Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
    Mikhail L. 22 January 2022 17: 38
    -2
    You need to learn from the Chinese without "hypersound":

    Chinese submariners dealt a tangible blow to the pride of the US Navy. The PRC submarine was able to quietly sneak up on the aircraft carrier "Kitty Hawk" and surface at a distance of a torpedo attack (!). This openly demonstrative move was meant to show the US that its dominance in the Pacific was coming to an end.
  • Alexey Lan Offline Alexey Lan
    Alexey Lan (Alexey Lantukh) 22 January 2022 18: 22
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    It is completely incomprehensible why Zircons should be launched from expensive TU-160s or MIGs. From Moscow to London in a straight line 2,5 thousand km, and even closer from the border. Any air platform can cruise on combat duty along the border and threaten any "Swede". And if this platform is also with a large carrying capacity, such as the latest modification IL76, and even with refueling, then almost all of Europe is under attack. At the same time, you don’t even need to enter the European air defense zone.
  • Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 22 January 2022 18: 28
    +2
    Quote: Alexey Lan
    It is completely incomprehensible why Zircons should be launched from expensive TU-160s or MIGs.

    You confuse Zircons and Daggers
  • Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 22 January 2022 19: 52
    +1
    Ammunition does not allow
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 22 January 2022 20: 41
    -1
    So many literate people understood this from the very beginning.
    Previously, as early as 5-10 years ago, they boasted of "indestructible" ballistic warheads. But 4-8 of them fit into a rocket.
    Now the same thing, but "hypersonic" fits 1-4.

    Americans spat at all for a long time. Their winged ones were subsonic, but up to 90 of them fit on a ship (destroyer) (conditionally). And our supersonic ones - 8-20 pieces (cruiser) (conditionally), maybe supersonic-hypersonic ones eat fuel, if not in themselves, the load is greater, etc.

    And they are trying to undermine the air defense system anyway in front of their noses, on the way ...
  • Oleg Bratkov Offline Oleg Bratkov
    Oleg Bratkov (Oleg Bratkov) 22 January 2022 23: 02
    +1
    Do not forget that the United States loves to brehat in the choke. It's a national trait, and the pride of America, the ability to tell tales in such a way that they are true. Moreover, all American presidents were marked by this false nonsense to the whole world. This is me about the flight to the moon, one of the main propagandistic pillars of the American mentality.
    Americans flew into space, for the first time, with Soviet technology, and 20 years after Gagarin's flight. And then all of a sudden they have technologies that threaten Russia? There are no competencies, but they can threaten?
    1. Moraceae Offline Moraceae
      Moraceae (Moraceae) 29 January 2022 14: 11
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      For some reason, the author also dragged in the American X-37B spaceplanes, which are not and were not in service with the United States.
      These are experimental prodigies.
  • If you put a couple of Iskander divisions in Cuba, the doodles will flee in horror to Mexico!
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 24 January 2022 20: 33
      -4
      Even in the most optimistic scenario, deploying something military, with nuclear warheads, will not work. They will not go for such a clear violation of the contract.
  • Navigator Offline Navigator
    Navigator (Andrei) 23 January 2022 00: 00
    +1
    Well, finally, thanks to the author for the sensible article. Everything is reasonably stated and most importantly, without assumptions, conventions and unrealistic scenarios. The topic is raised very relevant, all the problems are indicated. I would only like to add to these problems the very high cost of products and their meager quantity, which in the event of a conflict will not be able to have much significance on the outcome. Let's hope that the leadership will sharply increase the number of hypersonic missiles and finalize space target designation to acceptable values.
  • Mantrid Machina Offline Mantrid Machina
    Mantrid Machina (Mantrid Machina) 23 January 2022 04: 06
    +1
    How did the author intend to intercept a disc that is rushing at a speed of 27 MAX ?, designing the SM3 they were not designed to intercept such high-speed targets.
    The author also forgot that not so long ago they tested an anti-satellite missile capable of removing X37B from orbit, and there is also Nudol and there is also Cosmos-Inspector
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 January 2022 08: 44
      +1
      Do not confuse a fixed old satellite with a maneuverable spaceplane. Also, do not forget about who will be the first hit.
      Our doctrine is purely defensive in nature. Maybe we'll destroy the shuttle in pursuit, but after they've disabled all of Liana's few satellites.
      1. Ksv Offline Ksv
        Ksv (Sergei) 23 January 2022 19: 33
        +3
        You break their convenient model of the world, where we are wearing a hat with earflaps with a red star on our foreheads. Half of the site's visitors have a brain "hattering", but this is not from stupidity, this is the usual revenge for the collapse of the USSR, apparently emotions are overwhelming, ordinary good people.
        The West sanctions us, and such people say in response, and we will eat honey with palms full ... well, well
        1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 January 2022 06: 55
          0
          Believe me, I myself would like Russia to be the strongest of all. But this is not the case yet.
          It just infuriates me when, instead of the weapons we really need, they slip something like a wunderwaffe on us. What it is not from the word at all.
          1. Energetik42 Offline Energetik42
            Energetik42 (Energetik42) 25 January 2022 12: 39
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            In order to be stronger than all, Russia needs to offer its neighboring nations a better development model than the West offers, have a higher standard of living than in the West, be a source of not only natural resources, but also technologies, count on everyone to love the Russian Federation looking at the power of missiles that can threatening NATO and the West is not very worth it
            1. Ksv Offline Ksv
              Ksv (Sergei) 25 January 2022 22: 31
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              It happened before, remember? Everything that you described was in the USSR, and how did it end? Let all these neighboring peoples go their own way, Russia owes nothing to anyone. We must act in the same way as the United States and China, and not in a good way, as we used to!
      2. Oleg Bratkov Offline Oleg Bratkov
        Oleg Bratkov (Oleg Bratkov) April 17 2022 21: 36
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        Do you think that if a spaceplane has wings, then it can maneuver in space better than a satellite? You are greatly mistaken. A spaceplane maneuvers no better than any satellite, it's just that maneuvering requires fuel, and fuel is needed to deorbit, and fuel is needed to maintain an orbit for a long time. So, you can maintain a given orbit for a long time, but at least 10 years, or you can burn everything in a day, making intensive maneuvers. And what about the anti-satellite missile? It is possible to do with a nuclear warhead, which has not become fashionable, but it is possible with a direct hit, only for a direct hit on a missile, a radar is placed, and it itself is brought to the target, and you need to maneuver very intensively, at an unknown moment in time to dodge. And the fuel for maneuvering is quickly running out, and the rocket has not arrived yet ...
  • Alexey Proshchalykin (Alexey Proshchalykin) 23 January 2022 05: 51
    +1
    The author, a typical armchair expert, juggles data and has no idea what he is writing about.
    Attributes to them opportunities that they may someday have, or may not have. He talks about hypersonic weapons, not knowing what is not surprising, given the secrecy. nothing about them actually. Accordingly, the entire analysis, at the kindergarten level, is full of letters, with an emphasis on emotions, and that's it.
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 January 2022 08: 42
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      Proshchelygin, can you reasonably refute my theses?
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      2. Alexey Proshchalykin (Alexey Proshchalykin) 1 February 2022 18: 37
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        1 Adopted. Very often, serial production begins before the adoption of the system into service. So it makes no sense to talk about quantity, without access to classified information, you can say whatever your heart desires. Moreover, with the start of production, the number of missiles will change. Next, we do not know about the combat effectiveness of missiles, therefore we cannot evaluate the outfit of forces to defeat typical targets.
        2 Lighting systems for the situation at sea, generally one of the most closed topics. You can suffer as much as you like for Liana, but what is known about another 100 military satellites, what does the GUGI do?
        3 Without understanding, with the fighting, start another topic war in space?
        Any high-intensity armed struggle will be inter-species, on a huge scale, and limited in time. Predicting combat operations of this level is not a trivial task, and much more difficult than any game that takes into account a dozen or other parameters.
  • Teacher Offline Teacher
    Teacher (Wise) 23 January 2022 11: 18
    +2
    "Vanguard", dagger, zircon-shmirgon.
    All this is in piece quantities and it turns out that it is vulnerable.
    In 2014, Ukraine could have been liberated from the Nazis with AK-74 models. You didn't even have to shoot. Now it will be needed, I hope not for long and in the air. In a couple of years, when NATO enters Ukraine, nothing will help.
    What are they waiting for? Cut off this formation from the sea and that's it. Nobody else is interested in it.
    Are you afraid of sanctions? So they will be. For anything. Even for the fact that in the word Russia there are two letters "s". Who hasn't spit in the direction of the Russians yet? There are none, everyone spat and mind you, with complete impunity.
    And this country claims to be a superpower?
    1. Energetik42 Offline Energetik42
      Energetik42 (Energetik42) 25 January 2022 12: 45
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      Before releasing someone, free your country from devastation (at your leisure, read the list of high-tech enterprises destroyed in the Russian Federation), corruption, population extinction, income gap, ask the inhabitants of Poland, Romania, the Baltic States if they want you to free them?
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 23 January 2022 14: 48
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    Quote: Teacher
    What are they waiting for? Cut off this formation from the sea and that's it. Nobody else is interested in it.
    Are you afraid of sanctions? So they will be. For anything. Even for the fact that in the word Russia there are two letters "s". Who hasn't spit in the direction of the Russians yet? There are none, everyone spat and mind you, with complete impunity.
    And this country claims to be a superpower?

    Plus.
  • Nicholay Ivanitsky (Nicholai Ivanitsky) 23 January 2022 18: 03
    +1
    It is the matter of time. Perhaps all the current games with an ultimatum are aimed at gaining time.
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 January 2022 09: 15
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      Ultimatums can be set, already having a wunderwaffe on hand.
      If this wunderwaffe is as scary as he is painted, he must be kept secret, and not trumpeted to the whole world. Otherwise, the United States will simply have to start a war with us until we put this wunderwaffe into service and change the balance of power in our favor.
  • Half a hundred second (Half a half second) 23 January 2022 22: 07
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    Colleagues just forgot that the Iskanders and, consequently, the Daggers are not able to hit moving highly maneuverable targets. This is an aeroballistic missile without ARLGSN (active radar homing head). It is designed to destroy stationary targets, but the US Navy aircraft carrier from a distance of 3000 kilometers will sink the Dagger only if it stands peacefully at the pier.

    about the "Dagger" we know only what we were told from the high tribunes, and even that is incredibly little. If we start from the Iskander OTRK, then homing heads were developed for its ballistic missiles of the 9M723 type. A whole few. In particular, the optical correlation seeker 9E436 developed by TsNIIAG (Moscow), the missile is guided by the reference image of the target. Or the active radar seeker 9B918 developed by NPP Radar MMS. Therefore, it is possible to install them on the "Dagger", and, as a result, the defeat of non-stationary targets


    Around these hypersonic anti-ship missiles, a lot of copies have already been broken. "Zircons" are hailed to the skies as the next "aircraft carrier killers" and a thunderstorm for the US Navy.

    we don’t know anything about Zircon at all. There are not even photographs of the rocket, which does not allow us to judge which engine is used, and, consequently, the real capabilities of the rocket, based on its approximate weight and size characteristics, determined by the characteristics of the ship's launcher - UKSK 3S14. So there is really nothing to talk about. It's like a black cat in a dark room.

    The author should correct the typo:

    BDK project 1155M "Marshal Shaposhnikov", recently turned into a frigate

    Shaposhnikov was BOD (large anti-submarine ship) until it was reclassified as a frigate
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 24 January 2022 19: 16
      -5
      On mobile targets "Iskanders" and, consequently, "Daggers", during combat exercises, were not used.
  • Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 January 2022 06: 52
    +1
    Quote: Half a century and a half
    The author should correct the typo:

    BDK project 1155M "Marshal Shaposhnikov", recently turned into a frigate

    "Shaposhnikov" was a BOD (large anti-submarine ship) until she was reclassified as a frigate

    Yes, sealed. The article was complicated, overlooked. I can distinguish between BOD and BDK smile
    1. Half a hundred second (Half a half second) 24 January 2022 19: 23
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      Quote: Marzhetsky
      I can distinguish between BOD and BDK

      Without a doubt. That's what I wrote, that's a typo)
  • Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 January 2022 15: 56
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    Quote: Half a century and a half
    A whole few. In particular, the optical correlation seeker 9E436 developed by TsNIIAG (Moscow), the missile is guided by the reference image of the target.

    found

    Optical seeker 9E436 missiles 9M723 OTRK "Iskander" / Photo: militaryrussia.ru
    GOS weight - 20 kg
    Flight mission input time - no more than 5 min
    QUO - up to 20 m
    This approach has its own advantages andshortcomings. Let's start with the latter. Since the system does not recognize the target itself, but the area around it, it cannot provide guidance to a moving object. To form a flight mission, you must have a reconnaissance photograph. The work of the seeker may be hindered by fog or an aerosol cloud exposed by the enemy, hiding the terrain. If the head is mounted on a ballistic missile, low cloud cover can interfere with its operation (for cruise missiles capable of flying at low altitudes, this problem does not exist).
    1. Half a hundred second (Half a half second) 24 January 2022 19: 27
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      Quote: Marzhetsky
      Optical seeker 9E436 missiles 9M723 OTRK "Iskander" / Photo: militaryrussia.ru
      GOS weight - 20 kg
      Flight mission input time - no more than 5 min
      QUO - up to 20 m
      This approach has its own advantages and disadvantages. Let's start with the last ones. Since the system does not recognize the target itself, but the area around it, it cannot provide guidance to a moving object. To form a flight mission, you must have a reconnaissance photograph. The work of the seeker may be hindered by fog or an aerosol cloud exposed by the enemy, hiding the terrain. If the head is mounted on a ballistic missile, low cloud cover can interfere with its operation (for cruise missiles capable of flying at low altitudes, this problem does not exist).

      The fact is that using only an inertial, you will not get into an aircraft carrier standing at the pier (or any other stationary object of not gigantic size, such as a city) at a decent launch range. Accuracy only when using ANN is rather mediocre, CEP is large. Therefore, correction is used everywhere - according to the signals of the GPS satellite system, according to the digital map of the area, they put the GOS.
      "Kinzhal" is positioned as an OTRK of increased accuracy, for hitting point targets, therefore it is not surprising that GOS were developed for it. And it is logical to assume that the GOS are also installed on the "Dagger". Not necessarily the types I specified (it was just an example), otherwise the whole idea simply loses its meaning.
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 24 January 2022 20: 35
        -4
        For mobile targets, even in tests, the products under discussion were not used.
        1. Half a hundred second (Half a half second) 24 January 2022 21: 09
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          They exist. Missiles with "optics" were tested in 2011, with RLGSN - in 2016.
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 24 January 2022 22: 28
            -3
            They did not pass the tests. Because they were not tested for mobile targets.
  • Sergey Horuzhik Offline Sergey Horuzhik
    Sergey Horuzhik (Sergey Horuzhik) 25 January 2022 18: 33
    -2
    It's funny that Sergei Marzhetsky, instead of a substantive answer to this publication, which provides a reasoned criticism of his article: https://cont.ws/@Gavrilenko90/2190499, prefers to remove the ends.
    I think that this is correct, because the author is infallible and great, and all his critics are miserable and insignificant idiots.
    "Be silent if you want to talk to me" - as the gene stated in such cases. Moltke Jr.
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 January 2022 08: 45
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      It's funny that Sergei Marzhetsky, instead of a substantive answer to this publication, which provides a reasoned criticism of his article: https://cont.ws/@Gavrilenko90/2190499, prefers to remove the ends.

      SHO Sho?
      First of all, I don't owe anyone anything. Why should I promote some Gavrilenko? This character is trying to use my name and my post for self-promotion. I don't see the point in helping him.
      Secondly, "delete ends" the authors can not, no authority.

      I think that this is correct, because the author is infallible and great, and all his critics are miserable and insignificant idiots.

      Thirdly, I looked at the "analysis" from Gavrilenko diagonally. My opinion is one continuous demagoguery, not worthy of attention. There are no arguments, only continuous distortions and snickering.
      If I answer every half-wit, I will just be wasting my working time, which, by the way, costs decent money.
      1. Sergey Horuzhik Offline Sergey Horuzhik
        Sergey Horuzhik (Sergey Horuzhik) 26 January 2022 11: 38
        -2
        Well, still. You need to erect a monument to yourself from bronze. As an argument for your own infallibility.
        Type there are only two opinions: one is mine, and the second is stupid.
        Remind me, what is your great education? That you are such a great expert in all branches of knowledge?
        1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 January 2022 11: 40
          +1
          According to the first I am a lawyer, red diploma. According to the second I am a journalist, diploma with honors. On the third one, which I am currently receiving, I am a political scientist. Perhaps there will also be a red diploma. I am professionally trained to work with large volumes of different information. I have an award from the professional community for the best article in the field of economics.
          What education do you and your Gavrilenko have?
          1. Sergey Horuzhik Offline Sergey Horuzhik
            Sergey Horuzhik (Sergey Horuzhik) 26 January 2022 11: 45
            -2
            I have two educations. Historical and philosophical. And I NEVER write about TECHNICAL issues. For, in accordance with my diploma, I do not have a technical education. That is, I do not consider myself an expert. But what your confidence in your impeccability is based on is simply incomprehensible to me. Maybe you are a spy and use insider information? It's the only thing that comes to my mind. Because none of what you write about, you can not know by definition. Excuse me.
            1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 January 2022 11: 48
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              As a journalist, I am trained to write on any topic, for which I first study the issue. I never called myself an expert. Nowhere did I claim that I was perfect. This was attributed to me by a "philosopher".
              And for the boorish style of his city of nostalgia, this Gavrilenko could well get a tambourine.
              All the best. hi
              1. Sergey Horuzhik Offline Sergey Horuzhik
                Sergey Horuzhik (Sergey Horuzhik) 26 January 2022 11: 51
                -2
                There is nothing boorish there.
                1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
                  Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 January 2022 11: 52
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                  There the whole article is boorish in its form.
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  • Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 January 2022 09: 16
    +1
    Quote: Sergey Horuzhyk
    It's funny that Sergei Marzhetsky, instead of a substantive answer to this publication, which provides a reasoned criticism of his article: https://cont.ws/@Gavrilenko90/2190499, prefers to remove the ends.
    I think that this is correct, because the author is infallible and great, and all his critics are miserable and insignificant idiots.

    Kont is a rare garbage dump, mostly with garbage authors (with rare exceptions) and an appropriate audience. I was there for a while, but left pretty quickly because it's not worth my time and nerves. I regret the time spent on this resource.
    Adequate people, according to my observations, there are 10-15% percent, at best. The rest is an audience with brains pierced by jingoistic propaganda for Gavrilenok, Rogers, Ishchenko and other Blondes of Blondes with its schedules for improving the lives of Russians. smile I just don't get along with you.
    PS
    You can tell your "whistleblower" Gavrilenko that I politely sent him in a certain direction.
    1. Sergey Horuzhik Offline Sergey Horuzhik
      Sergey Horuzhik (Sergey Horuzhik) 26 January 2022 11: 40
      -2
      I will write to him that you said that you have a monopoly on the truth. In all its manifestations.
  • Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 January 2022 11: 42
    +1
    Quote: Sergey Horuzhik
    I will write to him that you said that you have a monopoly on the truth. In all its manifestations.

    Write what you want. But I didn't say that about the "monopoly on truth". hi
    However, you only confirmed my opinion about the degree of inadequacy of Comte's audience. No.
    1. Sergey Horuzhik Offline Sergey Horuzhik
      Sergey Horuzhik (Sergey Horuzhik) 26 January 2022 11: 48
      -1
      Your conceit once again proves my point. You are practically a bronze monument to yourself already during your lifetime. It is even amazing how you can live with such an exorbitant sense of self-importance.
      1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 January 2022 11: 50
        -1
        Your conceit once again proves my point. You are practically a bronze monument to yourself already during your lifetime. It is even amazing how you can live with such an exorbitant sense of self-importance.

        With conceit, I'm fine, I just adequately evaluate myself.
        Go to the bathhouse, "philosopher". I'm not interested in you or communication with you and with your idol.
        1. Sergey Horuzhik Offline Sergey Horuzhik
          Sergey Horuzhik (Sergey Horuzhik) 26 January 2022 11: 52
          -1
          God always punishes people like you. For rudeness and exorbitant pride. There are many examples of this in history.
          1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
            Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 January 2022 11: 55
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            And who are the judges? Hooray-patriot who ascribes something to me from himself, which I did not claim?
            As for rudeness, look at the original source of Gavrilenka, which you threw here, "philosopher".
            1. Sergey Horuzhik Offline Sergey Horuzhik
              Sergey Horuzhik (Sergey Horuzhik) 26 January 2022 11: 59
              -2
              Gavrilenko has several very serious arguments. Which show your complete superficiality and incompetence. But instead of a substantive answer, you began to puff out your cheeks. Which says a lot. Therefore, the structure of your thinking is absolutely clear to me.
              1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
                Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 January 2022 12: 01
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                Gavrilenko has several very serious arguments that show your complete superficiality and incompetence

                There are no arguments, there are only distortions and snickering.

                But instead of a substantive answer, you began to puff out your cheeks

                All my arguments are in the article. I see no reason to roll out a new one for you personally. My time is worth money.
                1. Sergey Horuzhik Offline Sergey Horuzhik
                  Sergey Horuzhik (Sergey Horuzhik) 26 January 2022 12: 02
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                  Notice that I have never gone beyond the limits of politeness. But only you are poking, cursing and spitting.
                  1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
                    Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 January 2022 12: 03
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                    I already noticed and applied. Good luck "philosopher"
                2. Sergey Horuzhik Offline Sergey Horuzhik
                  Sergey Horuzhik (Sergey Horuzhik) 26 January 2022 12: 03
                  -2
                  Well, you don’t know Latin either, a person with a diploma with honors.
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                  2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 26 January 2022 12: 56
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                    Your trick is running. Either the opponent violates the law on state secrets, or he is wrong. With Zircon and Dagger, the story is like this. It is not possible to inflate a frog through a straw to the size of a crocodile. The ground and aerospace infrastructure of the Russian Armed Forces does not correspond to such declared ammunition. Yes the ammunition itself, politically correct speaking, for the psychological treatment of the gullible.
                  3. Sergey Horuzhik Offline Sergey Horuzhik
                    Sergey Horuzhik (Sergey Horuzhik) 26 January 2022 17: 26
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                    Well, it’s not for you to judge this. Have you read Ilf and Petrov? You are simple pique vests.
                  4. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 26 January 2022 20: 26
                    -5
                    The state of the Armed Forces is demonstrated at parades, at Army forums, at exhibitions. Very widely and objectively.
                3. Sergey Horuzhik Offline Sergey Horuzhik
                  Sergey Horuzhik (Sergey Horuzhik) 26 January 2022 17: 59
                  -1
                  By the way, your space logic is inaccessible to me. What does this even mean: "The ground and aerospace infrastructure of the Russian Armed Forces does not correspond to such declared ammunition."
                  What is the infrastructure here? I would like not quasi-scientific and essentially meaningless definitions, but something more. Dagger and Zircon exist or not? And if they do, what does the infrastructure have to do with it? Which is in constant development, if anything? Or don't exist? Or is it a matter of FAITH, not facts? Or maybe representatives of a sect have gathered here who strictly follow a certain discourse? Let me formulate: a team of comrades who do not believe in Zircon and Dagger, right? So the facts should not depend on who they will serve. And secondly, Putin believes in Zircon and Dagger. But you don’t. Maybe you just underestimate yourself? And you should be the president?
                  So this video is fake?

                4. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 26 January 2022 20: 38
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                  Without all types of infrastructure, it is impossible to ensure the effective use of the ammunition under discussion. They, ammunition, are just a small part of the system. The infrastructure is reconnaissance, a target designation system, storage facilities, laboratories with control and adjustment equipment, vehicles, cargo devices ), stationary and mobile technical positions, means of providing air and sea carriers. And most importantly - highly professional military personnel. And where can they come from, after 20 years of continuous landslide cuts. Including educational institutions of all categories.
                  The videos and photos on display greatly undermine faith in the Dagger, and in Zircon. Putin believed in national projects, in the immutability of the pension system, and then he took and betrayed this belief publicly.
                  Video fake. The result of the application is not shown. The flight on the marching section is not shown. The target is not shown, its state before, during the hit, after the hit. That video is designed for a gullible pre-conscript of the youngest age who does not have time to study.
                5. Sergey Horuzhik Offline Sergey Horuzhik
                  Sergey Horuzhik (Sergey Horuzhik) 26 January 2022 22: 10
                  -1
                  Forgot to report to you? However. Your position is clear to me. the name of the ideals of justice.
                6. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 27 January 2022 08: 32
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                  Defeats are when there is a fight with the enemy. And now there is no fight.
                  trickery for suckers. Large owners and business executives of Russia for NATO friends, partners. And even ideological brothers. They receive income in dollars, keep profits in NATO banks. Look at the state of the Armed Forces, 20 years ago, and now. Especially for the most high-tech types of aircraft, for the fleet and aviation. KLA, USC, OPK, UEC are hotbeds of defeatists.
                  Instead of developing ammunition, delivery vehicles, creating modern ships, aircraft, they invent miracle weapons such as Poseidons, Vanguards, Zircons, Daggers.
  • Moraceae Offline Moraceae
    Moraceae (Moraceae) 29 January 2022 14: 08
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    Well, actually you should also correct. There are no X-37B spaceplanes in the US. They have remained experimental prototypes to date.
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  • Arur Pescov Offline Arur Pescov
    Arur Pescov (Arur Pescov) 18 February 2022 20: 51
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    what is more than enough for the Anglo-Saxons to put in their pants ... they hardly dare to check * dagger * for accuracy ... and even more so * avant-garde *