"Skif" or "Poseidon": which is more effective for nuclear deterrence of the United States


The aggregate offensive power of the United States and the NATO bloc as a whole forces the Russian Defense Ministry to seek the most effective means of deterrence that would avoid direct participation in a new costly arms race. These include promising hypersonic missiles, against which, as they say, no existing missile defense system will work, as well as Poseidon (Status-6) underwater drones designed to destroy the enemy's coast with a "nuclear tsunami" and inflict an unacceptable damage.


In this publication, I would like to draw attention to the possible problems that the Poseidon project may face. Recall that the Russian Navy intends to acquire 32 such nuclear drones based on 8 nuclear submarines.

"Poseidon"


Poseidon, or Status 6, is the largest torpedo in history, fully robotic and nuclear powered. This gives it virtually unlimited range. As conceived by the creators, the underwater drone will be able to move at great depths, up to 1 kilometer, either in "sneaking" mode, or, on the contrary, at very high speed. The main task of the Russian super torpedo is to destroy enemy naval bases or coastal cities due to a powerful tsunami generated by an underwater nuclear explosion, as well as the subsequent radiation damage to the terrain. For this, "Status-6" can be equipped with a "cobalt bomb". In the American press, "Poseidon" has already been nicknamed "the potential killer of" New York ".

It all sounds very frightening. However, let's not forget about the "bottlenecks" that the real combat use of underwater drones can stumble upon.

At firstIt must be remembered that the Poseidons by themselves will not go to both American coasts. They need carrier submarines, the first of which should be the K-329 Belgorod nuclear submarine, specially adapted for super torpedoes. In total, the RF Ministry of Defense intends to commission 8 such specialized "Poseidon carriers". The problem lies precisely in the extreme imbalance in the structure of the Russian navy.

The naval component of our Strategic Nuclear Forces (NSNF) is extremely vulnerable to the existing NATO anti-submarine forces. Instead of building a surface fleet at an accelerated pace, which serves to protect the areas of combat deployment of SSBNs, we are building nuclear submarines at an accelerated pace. As a result, an extremely bad situation may turn out when the Poseidon carrier submarine is destroyed by an American hunter submarine right at the exit from the naval base. Along with cobalt bombs on board. That is, the most terrible radiation damage to the area will be received not by the American, but by the Russian coast.

Secondly, it will not be easy for our "Belgorod" to fulfill the assigned combat mission, even if the Russian Navy can cover it when leaving the base in Vilyuchinsk. The United States, its allied Japan and the NATO bloc have very developed powerful anti-submarine forces: anti-submarine aircraft, AUG with their anti-submarine helicopters and multipurpose destroyers in warrant, submarine hunting for Russian nuclear submarines, etc. They are capable of arranging a real "driven hunt" for the Poseidon submarine. In the event that she can release her super torpedoes, they may well be destroyed by nuclear depth charges. It will be enough to know where to dump them.

What is the intermediate conclusion?

For all its advantages, the Status-6 project initially carries the same disadvantages inherent in the Russian NSNF. Without the protection of a serious surface fleet, our SSBNs and Poseidon carriers remain extremely vulnerable, relying solely on their stealth in the era of modern of technologies search and discovery would be extremely frivolous. The idea of ​​giving up as many as 8 submarine hulls for super torpedo carriers seems to be very adventurous. It would be much more expedient to send these funds to the construction of Project 23500M frigates or promising destroyers. The practical benefit of the Russian Navy from the new surface ships of the 1st rank would be much greater.

"Scythian"


However, the idea of ​​a threat from under the water has every right to exist. It is possible to create it, for example, using the promising Skif bottom rockets. This is a very secret project, only the most general information can be obtained from open sources.


In particular, it is known that this ballistic missile can be for a long time at great depths in a silent mode. Having received a launch command, it is capable of hitting sea or ground targets at a distance of over 300 kilometers. It is also reported that the underwater missile system, if necessary, can move independently. That is, once secretly installed from a submarine, the Skif is capable of changing its location, confusing the reconnaissance of a potential enemy.

Unlike the game of "cat and mouse", which will have to be played by carriers of "Poseidons" and SSBNs, when the execution of a combat mission turns into "Russian roulette", such bottom missile systems appear to be a more effective means of nuclear deterrence.
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  1. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
    sH, arK 30 December 2021 12: 01
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    Project Poseidon is interesting. And the main thing in it is rather the creation of compact nuclear reactors of high power, which can be reasonably used to create ultra-small nuclear submarines.
    Why is a carrier for Poseidon, it is not clear from the word "absolutely". With virtually unlimited range, it is wise to allocate these carriers. What prevents them from carrying out combat patrols, is it at the point of readiness? It is possible that the resource of the reactor is too small, and perhaps Status-6 is just a cover of a completely different topic.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 30 December 2021 12: 26
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      You can place Scythians from Losharik.
      Instead of carriers of Poseidons, it is better to build more SSBNs and SSGNs, they will be more useful. SSBNs will be able to shoot at least from the pier. Ash has a chance to pinch AUG.
      What can Poseidon really do? To pollute the American coast? Purposefully? Yes, then a tribunal will be used against us, as the "civilized" West will later arrange against criminals against humanity. request
      And without a surface fleet anywhere.
      1. mark1 Offline mark1
        mark1 30 December 2021 12: 51
        +3
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        Yes, then a tribunal will be used against us, as the "civilized" West will later arrange against criminals against humanity.

        Are you sure that by this time he will be civilized? Or maybe you think that by starting a big fight and destroying half of the Earth, we are planning to surrender (there was someone else)? And by the way, the carriers deploy in advance and carry the DB, during a threatening period the Poseidon underwater drones are launched, which (possibly at low speeds) also deploy at some points, and already at H o'clock there is an attack (most likely a dagger, at high speed and from a short distance)
        "Skif" is also good, but there is a ban on placing nuclear weapons at the bottom of the oceans. So, the howl of the "civilized" West, if discovered in peacetime, will be very loud, turning into infra and ultra sound.
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 30 December 2021 13: 25
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          Are you sure that by this time he will be civilized?

          The power of nuclear warheads has been overestimated by the media. Moreover, every six months, we have growing problems with carriers of nuclear warheads, as well as with the means of their delivery.

          threatening period, the Poseidon underwater drones are launched, which (possibly at low speeds) also deploy at some points, and already at hour H an attack occurs (most likely a dagger, at high speed and from a short distance

          No, pay attention to the meager number of reconnaissance ships and their condition. Large GISU have disappeared, the GA detachment is shallow. There is nothing and no one to provide navigation, hydrographic support of the Poseidon routes. The sea environment, the bottom topography are constantly changing, they need to be constantly measured and surveyed in order to competently correct the maps.
        2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 30 December 2021 13: 55
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          So you want to be the first to start a fight? Is it okay that our military doctrine is defensive in nature? That is, we leave the right of the first blow to the enemy.
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 30 December 2021 16: 53
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            It is difficult to answer unequivocally about the first strike. Our opportunity is effective,
            routinely, the use of nuclear warheads is lost in several directions, every six months, including due to the quantitative and qualitative indicators of carriers.
          2. mark1 Offline mark1
            mark1 30 December 2021 18: 18
            +3
            Quote: Marzhetsky
            So you want to be the first to start a fight?

            Be the first to start, this is when he ran up and once in the face ... And in this case, you just hold your hand with a cocked pistol in your pocket, and you wait.

            Quote: Marzhetsky
            we leave the right of the first blow to the enemy.

            We grant the right, but not a blow, but an attempt (even, in some cases, an obvious threat will suffice) ... Read the doctrine correctly.
      2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 30 December 2021 13: 19
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        SSBNs will be able to shoot at least from the pier.

        If the SSBN crew does not take their ship from the berth of the main basing point to the dispersal point, does not meet the standard, then its commander will be at the court-martial session as an accused. the main ammunition. There will be a number of factors that will interfere with ballast operations. As soon as the SSBN hull gets a roll or trim, the salvo will be disrupted. The launch program will be disrupted.
        SSBNs, moored at the pier, with a high probability will be destroyed by enemy means. The commanders of the formation of the unification, who allowed this, will end their careers before the firing platoon.

        Ash has a chance to pinch AUG.

        SSGN Ash M has a small chance of pinching the long-range security of the AUG. In the most optimistic scenario. To pinch the AUG itself, you will need a Tu-22M3M division, an RKR project 1164 division, a Su-30SM regiment, a 945 or 971B project MAPL division. This is for pinching. Without deciding the main tasks.

        In threatened and operational periods, AUG are united in an AMC (aircraft carrier multipurpose formation), accompanied by a pair of AWACS complexes. Without the destruction of AWACS, there is no need to talk about a successful AMC attack.

        And without a surface fleet anywhere.

        good Yes !
      3. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 30 December 2021 17: 03
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        Losharik feels bad. They did not even start repairs. Problem with LIAB production. Without
        such an apparatus, the whole project is to a crane on a hummock. The placement of such ammunition as the Skif violates the Agreement on the placement of objects at the bottom of the sea. The number of SSGNs and SSBNs will not be adequate. Their production becomes more complicated, and the economy does not progress rapidly. Does not allow to restore the construction of nuclear-powered ships in Nizhny Novgorod, in Kosmomolsk-on-Amur.
        Project K-560 855 SSGN, aka "Severodvinsk" is not combat-ready. It rumbles across the White Sea.
      4. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
        sH, arK 30 December 2021 20: 51
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        What loshariks ?! The bottom "Skif" is placed at depths of up to 200 meters! An ordinary nuclear submarine, so far, is used for mounting only the B-90 Sarov. It is possible to destroy a rocket at a depth only with a point strike. Underwater nuclear explosion - ineffective due to the strong damping of the shock wave in the sea and its propagation upward. And it is extremely difficult to destroy bottom launch containers, given that they do not make noise, and are often generally located inside territorial waters or in closed bodies of water.
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 30 December 2021 21: 44
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          The bottom "Skif" is placed at depths of up to 200 meters!

          In someone's not quite sober fantasies. If there was a naval analogue of the Comedy Club, it would be suitable for a sketch.

          Underwater nuclear explosion - ineffective due to the strong damping of the shock wave in the sea and its propagation upward.

          It depends on why this explosion is to be organized.
          1. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
            sH, arK 30 December 2021 22: 41
            +4
            You don't need a comedy club in Ukraine, you are initially all clowns there, and the president is in charge;)
        2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 31 December 2021 07: 13
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          It's just that our submarines are all tracked by the United States, if you don't know. Losharik in this regard has a unique stealth.
          1. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
            sH, arK 31 December 2021 11: 36
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            Lord, a journalist is talking about this to me, the submariner officer !!! ;) Well, it's full of nonsense to write! Yes, there is the Faroe-Icelandic border, but there is a significant risk of detection during its passage for our boat (I served on 667BDRM). But with autonomy for 60 days, yes, they will hook you on the aisle, but who makes you pass the line during "H" !? And SSBNs do not pass it for an attack, it is not a basic attack area, it is just a line for passage, for actually gaining a skill. For multipurpose ones - they should wet the AUG, and most of all transports and UDC - yes, this is an important and difficult passage, but the day and the boat always comes off! It is impossible to follow a boat that goes beyond 30 knots, then prowls at 3 knots beyond the inflection horizon! And all our SSBNs attack from under the ice cap of the Arctic ... There, only another multipurpose nuclear submarine can watch or attack, and one SSBN never goes to the base, followed by a multipurpose, sometimes even two. And when the boat makes a dash - the other one is watching the noise! Is there anyone who followed the noisy 667, but it makes a lot of noise on a good run! And when it goes under the ice on the DB, the boat, when it detects surveillance, makes a maneuver, if the surveillance continues, it is obliged to attack! The boat on the DB is actually at war already! Yes, she does not attack right away, if she hears someone else's noise, she dodges, but if she fails, she attacks! Their boats approach or cross the courses only at certain points, at certain times, they do not know the SSBN course either! Only the commander knows him, opening the envelope after leaving the base.

            And I’m silent that around Vidyaevo, Gadzhievo, the detection lines, already ours, are crammed no less than around the Faroes ... There's not much to fish there! And despite the fact that there is a territorial agency, they will drown instantly at any time! And for the attack the tervoda is no worse than any other! And Sineva or Liner will not give a damn from where! They do not need a line from the word at all!

            So don't talk nonsense! Tracking boats in the Atlantic, yes there is a risk! And in the Arctic it is almost impossible! Single cases! And the risk for the American boat is enormous!
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 31 December 2021 15: 03
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              (I served at 667BDRM).

              laughing

              And I’m silent that around Vidyaevo, Gadzhievo, the detection lines, already ours, are crammed no less than around the Faroes ... There's not much to fish there! And despite the fact that there is a territorial agency, they will drown instantly at any time! And for the attack the tervoda is no worse than any other! And Sineva or Liner will not give a damn from where! They do not need a line from the word at all!

              An enviable riot of fantasy.

              And all our SSBNs attack from under the ice cap of the Arctic ...

              About 25 years ago, our SSBNs stopped appearing there. An awkward show for NATO, Umka -2021, does not count. There is nothing and no one to provide our SSBN crews in these areas.
              1. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
                sH, arK 31 December 2021 17: 50
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                Yours? SSBN ?! Your Zhoparizhye in Sevastopol was welded to the pier, "Schaub did not sink" ... :-) And I served 30 years ago, and all SSBNs went under the ice ... And now they are. It would have been silent ...
                1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 31 December 2021 17: 58
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                  Decide on your versions of the biography. What was 30 years ago, ended long ago.
            2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 31 December 2021 15: 05
              -6
              A real submariner explains the topic briefly, accurately, and to the point. Instead of bragging empty-handed, trying to hang up noodles. Happy New Year!
            3. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 31 December 2021 15: 16
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              Quote: sH, arK
              And no one offers Liaoning either for nothing or now ... And when it finally goes into circulation, the research institute where I worked laid 900 km of cables in Riga / Varyag already in 1990, i.e. this ship is already over 30 ... Serious age, considering that his life has not spoiled him for a long time ....!

              You wrote this on December 5, 2021, "officer submariner." You will decide on your versions.
              1. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
                sH, arK 31 December 2021 17: 57
                +1
                I worked at NPO Parus, after being transferred from compulsory military service ... What's not clear ?! Can't count? Service 88-90, then in Parus ... Then, at 93, he left military service altogether ...
                1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 31 December 2021 18: 02
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                  You write that you are a submarine officer from the 667BDRM project. Then the version "conscript service 88-90" comes in.

                  Lord, a journalist tells me, a submariner officer !!! ;

                  Your words. Two years later, they do not become urgent, officers of the SSBN crew.

                  Dear Author and gentlemen, moderators! Not a fan of going personal and finding out otnoshenija.Prosto an amazing case of lies. Especially the obvious "objection" under the naval sailor, and under the elite of the fleet, a submariner officer.
                  1. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
                    sH, arK 1 January 2022 12: 59
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                    I'm not a conscript! I was an officer, BCH-4, graduation - lieutenant, specialty 0707, university - civilian, specialty - military, closed, deciding to serve in the navy - a year later I received a senior league, when I transferred from the navy to a research institute, I got a drop there and, alas, I quit from the fleet, everything began to fall and burst at the seams ... So, by, crest! Sit down - two! And the rank of Lieutenant Commander, now I have not gone anywhere in reserve. And the maritime license, however, for a coaster, for ships up to 100 tons or sail up to 250m, and a certificate of average diving training, I still have all this, though the rights, like the driver's license, must be changed every 10 years ...
                    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 1 January 2022 22: 55
                      -8
                      Biennials on SSBNs and on multipurpose nuclear submarines were not called up. It is extremely rare, they were called from TRTI, from LETI, commanders of the GAG, commanders of the EVG for diesel engines 641B project. The senior lieutenant of the two-year-old would be assigned in two years.

                      And maritime rights, however, a coaster, for ships up to 100 tons or sail up to 250m, and

                      Until 2002, it was called a working diploma. Since you were not on duty, you would not have been issued a sailing certificate in the personnel department. And the diploma and passport department of the port captain would not consider your documents.
                      1. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
                        sH, arK 2 January 2022 11: 25
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                        Right! Bravo! It surprises directly that you know something straight;) But no biennials - the first contract is a three-year one, like the distribution! Only from TRTI, the entire VK was almost from the former graduates of TRTI, well, except for those who taught general disciplines, not the work of the Moscow Conservatory, and so on!
                        And yes, we studied it on VK and almost all of them did practice on 641 boats. (Although, those who got into practice in Balaklava, and not in the Northern Fleet or Paldiski, did it on the 633th project). And when you were drafted, and there were years when the call to 0707 was almost for the entire specialty of the "old", the Volens-Nolens first obliged you to sign a 3-year contract, and you immediately, after signing, received the next title - Starley! It was "compensation" for the call, in fact, like the usual scholarship of 55 rubles, instead of 40 for everyone else :)

                        As for the service, then you got to where you were sent. I got on the 667 project. I went for 3 years. In fact, it was "distribution". Then you could extend the contract for 25 years. Having chosen it, you could no longer go anywhere. But in 1993, it was already all the same! The country collapsed, and with it everything else ...

                        As for sea rights, then yes, you could take them separately, but in many respects it was formal ...

                        As for the campaigns and getting into the 1st crew - if you were healthy and prepared, then by the 3rd year of service you could have already received a badge and a record in your personal file "for a long voyage". It is even surprising that you know something about it, and not just a hohlobrahun! ;)
                      2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 2 January 2022 16: 24
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                        Prepare carefully. I pointed out only the most basic lies in your invented biography.
                      3. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
                        sH, arK 2 January 2022 17: 12
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                        To me?! Getting ready ?! Are you sane? Although you know something, well, you've heard it ... it's even strange ... You even know the name of TPTI, but it has been a university for 20 years already, i.e. TRTU;)
                        Okay, I don't see any point in the conversation further.
              2. alexneg13 Offline alexneg13
                alexneg13 (Alexander) 12 January 2022 05: 45
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                gunnerminer, who would write about LIES. You are the biggest liar on Zen. You have no faith. You start to check your dregs - one lie, even without mixing the truth for decency.
  2. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
    sH, arK 30 December 2021 21: 18
    +3
    Poseidon is a doomsday weapon. There will be no tribunals anymore! It won't be up to them!
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 30 December 2021 21: 42
      -9
      This is a project of powdering the brains of the gullible part of the population.
  3. Siluch Offline Siluch
    Siluch (nik) 3 January 2022 18: 05
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    I would like to make a couple of comments.
    Firstly: all the fabrications about Poseidons and Scythians from the word probably ... So it is not necessary with a clever air to broadcast the layouts of how it will be and what will be ...
    Second:

    Yes, then a tribunal will be used against us, as the "civilized" West will later arrange against criminals against humanity.

    No one has tried the United States as criminals against humanity since Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Although it would be worth ... And if it comes to the use of Poseidons and Scythians, then there will be no trial ...
  • gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 30 December 2021 13: 03
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    The Poseidon project is useless for the threat of the NATO Navy. It will not create a destructive tsunami. With the loss of coastal megacities, the coastal and naval structure of the NATO Navy will not suffer, retaining its strike potential. Due to dispersal in a threatened period over reserve bases, including mobile ones. This projectile will have to be delivered on a carrier, which has been hastily converted from the 949A SSGN, a project that is extremely necessary to create a real threat to the NATO Navy. It is not easy for the crew to operate an atomic boat. And an underwater vehicle, without artificial intelligence, is impossible. It cannot overcome minefields and anti-submarine lines on its own. and areas not to evade PLO forces.
    1. mark1 Offline mark1
      mark1 30 December 2021 18: 31
      +5
      Quote: gunnerminer
      Project Poseidon useless for threat

      The Poseidon project is very useful as it is. its task is not to wash away the cities and poison the coast, but to nip in the bud all sea communications with Europe and exclude the transfer of troops by destroying the naval base and the infrastructure of large ports.

      Quote: gunnerminer
      And by an underwater vehicle, without artificial intelligence,

      You are probably very familiar with the details of the project ... but for some reason I think that not everything is so simple
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 30 December 2021 21: 41
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        "Poseidon" is good as a psychological calmer for the Russian population. To cut off communications between the EU and the US, it will take three orders of magnitude more nuclear weapons than there is in the storehouse of the Head of the 12th Directorate of the General Staff. And a manifold increase in the number of carriers. Each artificial intelligence is quite simple. this AI as to the moon on a donkey. There is no way to build VNEU for the 677 project even in laboratory form, but you mean AI.
    2. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
      sH, arK 30 December 2021 21: 13
      +3
      "Tsunami" is journalistic nonsense ... Yes, a significant wave is one of the secondary factors of destruction, but the main thing is not even a huge shock wave from a 200 megaton warhead, but a colossal radioactive contamination of the area, an ellipse with an area of ​​up to 2 million square kilometers! At the same time, the level of radioactive contamination can be so great that it is impossible not only to live or business, but to simply cross the terrain with full protective equipment without a lethal level of destruction! It is a doomsday weapon. When conventional warheads have already inflicted huge damage, but there is still hope for a possible recovery in the future ... After Poseidon, there will be no such hope for the next hundreds of years!
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 31 December 2021 07: 16
        -3
        There will be life after the Day of Judgment. And after such an application of Poseidon, not the best memory of the Russian people will remain.
        If you hit the enemy, then selectively, on military and industrial facilities, and not on the squares with the defeat of the civilian.
        1. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
          sH, arK 31 December 2021 11: 50
          +3
          Well, yes, of course ... Do not write nonsense! Sometimes they are surprised ... I'll put it mildly ... "smart guys". The doomsday strike is therefore called that! It is not done at the beginning of the war! And when your country is in ruins! This is a deterrent factor for the enemy! The dead hand factor! And it is applied not only to the United States, but to all allies! And in Australia and New Zealand, it is Poseidon who should work! Its task is not to deliver pinpoint strikes, it is a secondary goal, the main one is to turn huge territories into a dead, unsuitable for life zone!

          After Poseidon there will be no "heavenly" places where you can hide and wait! ;) And it is right!!!
          1. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
            sH, arK 31 December 2021 12: 11
            +3
            As for the rest of the nonsense ... If you were smart enough, not only to write nonsense, you could probably understand that there are two options for strikes: Anticipatory and Retaliatory. And now, for the fools, I will explain - that the ammunition and flight missions are completely different! Even more, missiles and charges should be completely different! If the strike is preventive, then the accuracy of guidance is the main thing !!! And the charge is weak (relatively, of course), but penetrating! The charging unit itself is optimized for the power of the shock wave, like all our TNW! Contamination, heat output - practically zero!
            But then, with such weapons, you are in the DOCTRINE !!! should already inflict a PREVENTIVE blow !!! In the USSR - in the doctrine there was a reciprocal, reciprocal - reciprocal! Does it make sense to hit empty mines and ZKP ?! The mines are empty, the ZKP has already made a decision and handed it over! The war has begun!

            Therefore - a retaliatory blow ... It is ANTI-VALUABLE! His task is to inflict maximum damage on the surviving warheads! And this damage can only be areal! Cities, factories, bases ... There are no more important point objects! Therefore, our nuclear submarine already had buses equipped with light warheads, 50-100kt each, but a lot! Pointing accuracy - 500 meters behind the eyes! Undermining height - 800-1200. The charge is optimized for induced radiation and thermal radiation! Impact - an isosceles triangle with a side of 3-5 km. The main thing is synchronous, simultaneous undermining! Damage from the wave is relatively minimal ... Most of the energy goes into thermal radiation! After impact - heat causes a huge ring fire! Three warheads - three huge fires, and the air flow will create huge annular vortices that unite this fire into one hell of a hell !!!
            1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 1 January 2022 13: 39
              -1
              As for the rest of the nonsense ... If you were smart enough, not only to write nonsense, you could probably understand that there are two options for strikes: Anticipatory and Retaliatory.

              Can I convincingly ask you not to be rude to me? Even if you somehow disagree with the opinion of the author or other commentators, no one gave you the right to be rude in response.
              1. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
                sH, arK 1 January 2022 14: 37
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                Yes, perhaps you are right. Sorry for being too harsh.
                1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                  Marzhecki (Sergei) 1 January 2022 17: 13
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                  Thank you. I really am not a techie or military expert, but I am sincerely interested in the theme of the fleet, I read quite a lot on it and, to the best of my ability, try to popularize it, draw attention to the problems of the fleet.
          2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 31 December 2021 15: 08
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            SSGN 949A of the project and so the little lamb, SSGN 949AM is planning even less, so the Poseidon project chopped off a few more units of 949A of the project. There is nothing to pinch the long-range security of the AUG. Mishkin's service for the Civil Code of the Russian Navy.
        2. Siluch Offline Siluch
          Siluch (nik) 3 January 2022 18: 12
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          Something the United States did not attend to this problem in 1945, using nuclear weapons against the peaceful, I repeat, peaceful cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. So the "rest of the world" will understand and accept this as retribution.
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  • NikolayN Offline NikolayN
    NikolayN (Nikolai) 30 December 2021 13: 44
    -1
    The most effective deterrent is the well-being and decent income of our citizens. In any case, higher than the income of EU citizens. Nuclear ammunition is also not a bad thing, but it did not help in the collapse of the USSR.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 30 December 2021 14: 01
      +1
      The USSR was destroyed by very specific people, do not forget about it. And it was not at all about the income of citizens.
      1. NikolayN Offline NikolayN
        NikolayN (Nikolai) 31 December 2021 21: 10
        0
        Thank you, I remember who destroyed the USSR and lived in a big city at that time.
    2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 30 December 2021 16: 51
      -9
      Yes. The prosperous large middle class guarantees a calm internal situation in the country better than the clubs and fists of the National Guard. The RI in 1917 and the USSR in 1991 collapsed due to the low incomes of the broad masses of the population.
      1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
        Ulysses (Alexey) 1 January 2022 17: 29
        +2
        Yes, the prosperous large middle class guarantees a calm internal situation in the country better than the clubs and fists of the National Guard.

        I sit and cry.

        Where are we to your Ukraine.
        Until your democracy, a large middle class and a calm internal environment ..
        laughing
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 30 December 2021 20: 47
    -6
    And, they chatted about Skif, talked about 5-10 years ago, and fell silent. (as well as about the petrel, Chechen buggies and 700 km / h high-speed helicopter)
    Surely because no one in their right mind will repeat the plots of James Bond - throwing nuclear missiles anywhere unattended.

    Poseidon is a very controversial project .. By the time he swims, everything will be over. Destructive force is less than in the air. The tsunami is rapidly weakening, and they are unlikely to be allowed to come close to the shore. The sea will listen and hammer with everything that is.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 30 December 2021 21: 45
      -7
      Reasonable reasons. good
      1. Monster_Fat Offline Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 31 December 2021 01: 18
        -6
        Generally, placing mines and other active weapons that can explode outside their territorial waters, in the absence of a state of war, is categorically prohibited by world law. Have you ever thought about that? Think about it, couch warriors. wink
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 31 December 2021 07: 17
          +1
          We, couch warriors, are talking about the pre-war situation. smile About weapons that can serve as a deterrent. Given the inequality of military potential, Russia should think about such options. Regardless of international law.
        2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 31 December 2021 10: 29
          -7
          Often non-divan regular soldiers drive the operational situation so that the whole Military Council of the Divan can not figure it out together! Even in personnel matters.
          1. Siluch Offline Siluch
            Siluch (nik) 3 January 2022 18: 18
            0
            Obviously, he understands this matter much better than you, otherwise they would appoint you ...
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 3 January 2022 19: 08
              -5
              You certainly will not blunder with mines.
    2. Shellboy Offline Shellboy
      Shellboy (Serge K) 2 January 2022 15: 57
      +1
      Journalists have come up with a "tsunami", this is not the main damaging factor. Read about Operation Crossroads in 1946, the Baker trial. Radiation contamination from a "shallow" underwater nuclear explosion turned out to be much stronger than expected. The target ships were unable to deactivate and sank, and Bikini Atoll is still uninhabited.
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 31 December 2021 23: 49
    -5
    Total:
    Skiff is not in real life.
    The Premier League copes with this much better.

    Poseidon is not yet present, but in fact it is a large torpedo. Its efficiency is less than that of rockets, and it is a weapon of the "dead hand". With endless claims that our missiles cannot be stopped, he would not be needed ...
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 1 January 2022 22: 56
      -7
      Absolutely.
  • Tektor Offline Tektor
    Tektor (Tektor) 1 January 2022 15: 22
    0
    In the threatened period, the most effective means, I would consider the nuclear-powered CD Burevestnik. Only this rocket is able to sneak up to headquarters and decision-making points located in bunkers in the mountains for a minimum flight time, as well as remove the Minutemans from the game by destroying control bunkers (1 bunker is responsible for launching up to 20 Minutemans).
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 1 January 2022 23: 04
      -8
      If the "Reject" command arrives, you will not be able to safely land such Petrels.
      1. Tektor Offline Tektor
        Tektor (Tektor) 1 January 2022 23: 19
        0
        Easy, somewhere in the arctic on the ice on the island. The icebreaker will come and take it.
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 2 January 2022 16: 20
          -6
          In this case, the ammunition will so dirty the landing site that the icebreaker will have to be washed for a couple of months. And the crew will take a long time to heal. The lake will have to be covered with soil. The Arctic is already so polluted at the most. Potanin dirtied Rosneft with diesel fuel with his gigantic bottling. KSF with its liquid and solid radioactive waste.
          1. Siluch Offline Siluch
            Siluch (nik) 3 January 2022 18: 21
            0
            This is nothing compared to what you throw at the fan.
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 3 January 2022 19: 11
              -5
              Try to send more Petrevestniks flying, to the fear of the State Department. And if the alarm is cleared, land them on the waters of the Great Lakes, on the Labrador Peninsula. Let the bourgeoisie have Fukushima wrapped in Chernobyl.
          2. Tektor Offline Tektor
            Tektor (Tektor) 17 January 2022 13: 30
            -1
            You rub it in here with such aplomb, as if you knew exactly the type of Burevestnik's nuclear engine. So share your knowledge with the Pentagon. You will be thanked, in your own way. No.
    2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 2 January 2022 08: 25
      -1
      She's like a subsonic rocket. Is she also invisible?
  • zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 6 January 2022 17: 47
    0
    The most effective US nuclear deterrent - WORLD!
  • Vlad Vlad (Shimas) 16 January 2022 14: 13
    0
    which is not very clear. then the reporter writes that for our PKR, the aug of the United States is practically inaccessible, since it is very difficult to find aug in the ocean and aim missiles at it. and then suddenly without any problems to find a submarine. who do you work for?