Implementation of Minsk agreements will be a defeat for Russia

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Recently, direct talks between the Russian and American presidents took place, during which Vladimir Putin complained to his colleague Joe Biden about Kiev's failure to comply with the provisions of the Minsk agreements. Soon after, there were hints in the foreign press that Washington might put pressure on the Ukrainian leadership to give Donetsk and Luhansk some autonomy. Neither for Donbass itself, nor for Russia, this "breakthrough" shines with nothing good. Why so, let's try to figure it out.

The American edition of the Associated Press, citing its informed sources, reported that the White House may put pressure on Kiev in order to change the current status of Donbass:



The task of the US President <...> is to induce Kiev to accept the somewhat real state of affairs in eastern Ukraine, while not creating the impression that it is inferior to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

According to the former US ambassador to Kiev, Stephen Pifer, it means that Donetsk and Luhansk may be given control over the local police, health care and educational institutions. To some, this may seem like a "breakthrough", but in fact it is a harbinger of great trouble for the Russian people, and here's why.

Since 2014, the idea has been persistently imposed on us that the implementation of the Minsk agreements will be a victory for the Russian policy in the Ukrainian direction. Allegedly, after the DPR and LPR receive a "special status" within Ukraine, other regions will also want the same, and Ukraine will almost collapse and fall at our feet. It is not true.

Let's look at these very Minsk agreements, namely at paragraph 9. The ninth says the following:

Restoration of full control over the state border by the government of Ukraine in the entire conflict zone, which should begin on the first day after local elections and end after a comprehensive political settlement (local elections in certain areas of Donetsk and Luhansk regions based on the Law of Ukraine and constitutional reform) by the end 2015, subject to paragraph 11 - in consultations and in agreement with representatives of certain districts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions within the framework of the Trilateral Contact Group.

And in the tenth paragraph it is said about the withdrawal of all foreign armed formations, mercenaries, as well as military equipment from the territory of Ukraine under the supervision of the OSCE. What follows from the literal interpretation of the Minsk agreements?

Only that their implementation consists in the return of the unrecognized republics of Donbass back to Ukraine on some "special conditions." Also, some "foreign armed formations" will have to return home, and control over the border will return to the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Ukrainian Border Service. At the same time, amnesty was promised to the combatants who fought for Novorossiya. This is exactly what the late heads of the DPR and LPR, Alexander Zakharchenko and Valery Bolotov, once signed up to.

A natural question arises, why is all this declared a victory for Russia and Donbass? What gives reason to believe that other regions of Ukraine, for example, Odessa, Chernigov or Kharkiv regions, will want the same?

Let me present some very realistic consequences that will occur if the Minsk agreements are successfully implemented:

At firsthaving achieved the expulsion of all "vacationers" and volunteers from its territory, Ukraine will take the border with Russia under complete control, after which there is no need to think about any "northern winds". The opportunity to somehow secretly intervene in what is happening in the Donbass will be eliminated, but it may still be needed. It is possible that at first official Kiev will not arrange demonstrative reprisals against supporters of the "Russian World" in the style of "Odessa Khatyn", but "will hang later," organization)? People will simply disappear, forever, dying somewhere in a basement or deep forest a terrible death at the hands of ideological neo-Nazis.

Secondly, it is not clear why someone suddenly decided that “special status” for Donbass is forever. Even if Kiev suppresses Washington and allows certain elections in the republics and even fixes some new provisions in the Constitution of Ukraine, who said that it will not be possible to replay it later? Here in Russia last summer, too, a lot of things were added to the Basic Law, so why is it impossible in Independent? A nationwide referendum will be held, and the majority of the population will deny Donbass a special status, and that's it, here's a complete "zeroing" of the successes of Russian diplomacy.

Thirdlyhaving received back the territory of the DPR and LPR under its control, Kiev will need funds to restore it. From whom to shake them? Well, of course, with Russia as the main "aggressor". There will certainly be an "international tribunal" following the war in Donbass with the participation of Americans and Europeans, where only the wine of our country will be established. By the way, quite a few residents of the DPR and LPR after such “execution of the Minsk agreements” will certainly gladly testify against the former “defenders” in order to prove their loyalty to Kiev. After that, they will demand reparations from us, either in cash, or free gas, or at the expense of some foreign property. And we're not going anywhere, Ukraine will have to pay for what she herself destroyed in the Donbass.

Finally, the final chord in this unheard-of success of Russian diplomacy will be that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will free their forces from Donbass and move to the border with Crimea. Neither Washington nor Kiev is going to recognize the peninsula as Russian, so after the liquidation of the DPR and LPR through the return to Ukraine, the "second act of the Marlezon Ballet" will begin. The Western partners will undoubtedly count the "deflection" and will only increase their pressure.

This is how the successful implementation of the Minsk agreements will end in no other way. The fact that the question has moved from words to deeds can be evidenced by the statement of the former American ambassador about the transfer of control over the police, medicine and education to Donetsk and Lugansk. Now they already have control, therefore, we are talking about a situation when they returned to Ukraine.

In conclusion, I would like to once again note that solving the problem of the status of the DPR, LPR and Crimea will deprive not in the steppes of Donbass, but in Kiev. It is a pity that our proprietary "multi-pass" methods do not extend that far.
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  1. 123
    +3
    10 December 2021 16: 12
    Another new interpretation of agreements? We have few Ukrainian interpreters ...

    Restoring full control over the state border by the government of Ukraine throughout the conflict zone, which should begin on the first day after the local elections and end after a comprehensive political settlement

    Why do you think the elections are held is a mystery.
    1. -3
      10 December 2021 17: 59
      What do you consider to be a comprehensive political settlement? Explain. hi
      1. 123
        +9
        10 December 2021 20: 18
        What do you consider to be a comprehensive political settlement? Explain.

        Probably worth rereading the agreements.

        9. Restoration of full control over the state border by the government of Ukraine in the entire conflict zone, which should begin on the first day after local elections and end after a comprehensive political settlement (local elections in certain areas of Donetsk and Luhansk regions based on the Law of Ukraine and constitutional reform) by the end of 2015 subject to the item 11 - in consultation and in consultation with representatives of certain areas of Donetsk and Lugansk regions within the framework of the Tripartite Contact Group.
        10. The withdrawal of all foreign armed groups, military equipment, as well as mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine under the supervision of the OSCE. Disarm all illegal groups.
        11. Conducting constitutional reform in Ukraine with entry into force by the end of the year 2015 new constitution, Nassuming decentralization as a key element (taking into account the peculiarities of certain areas of Donetsk and Luhansk regions, agreed with representatives of these areas), as well as the adoption of permanent legislation on the special status of certain areas of Donetsk and Luhansk regions in accordance with the measures specified in the note [1] by the end of 2015. (See note.)
        ...
        Note:
        Such measures in accordance with the Law "On a special procedure for local self-government in certain areas of Donetsk and Luhansk regions" include the following:
        - exemption from punishment, harassment and discrimination of persons related to events that took place in certain districts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions;
        - the right to language self-determination;
        participation of local authorities in the appointment of the heads of the prosecutor's office and courts in certain areas of Donetsk and Luhansk regions;
        - the possibility for central executive bodies to conclude agreements with the relevant local authorities on the economic, social and cultural development of individual regions of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions;
        - The state provides support for the socio-economic development of individual regions of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions;
        - assistance from the central authorities of cross-border cooperation in certain areas of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions with regions of the Russian Federation;
        the creation of detachments of the people's militia by decision of local councils in order to maintain public order in certain areas of Donetsk and Luhansk regions;
        - The powers of deputies of local councils and officials elected at early elections, appointed by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine by this law, cannot be terminated early.

        https://russiancouncil.ru/minskprotocol

        After the elections, no control over the border is transferred. The settlement itself must be recognized as comprehensive by the LPR representatives themselves; Ukraine cannot do this unilaterally. The law on decentralization must be coordinated with the LPNR, they simply will not be satisfied with the declarations.
        Power structures will not go anywhere. Control over the border in the event of "sharp movements" can be instantly canceled, because the priest-mates are not a division and fortified areas are not expected there.
        And most importantly, the conditions that must be met are so overwhelming for the current leadership that they are practically impossible to fulfill. Amnesty, cancellation, blockades, pensions, banking system. If they are fulfilled, it will be another country.
        1. -5
          11 December 2021 09: 32
          Power structures will not go anywhere. Control over the border in the event of "sharp movements" can be instantly canceled, because the priest-mates are not a division and fortified areas are not expected there.

          Why not foreseen? Personally, I see exactly the appearance there of a real fortified area on the border with Russia, over which you cannot jump.

          After the elections, no control over the border is transferred. The settlement itself must be recognized as comprehensive by the LPR representatives themselves; Ukraine cannot do this unilaterally. The law on decentralization must be coordinated with the LPNR, they simply will not be satisfied with the declarations.

          How do you know what will suit them there or not? Rather, what will they be told to do or not to do?
          1. 123
            +3
            11 December 2021 11: 52
            Why not foreseen? Personally, I see exactly the appearance there of a real fortified area on the border with Russia, over which you cannot jump.

            You see this, and Kiev dreamers. Who will let them?

            How do you know what will suit them there or not? Rather, what will they be told to do or not to do?

            Would such an alignment suit you in their place? So you think they are worse than yourself, or wordless slaves? Or would you do that on the spot? Will they put their own head on the block because they were told so? And who will tell them that? Also an extremely narrow-minded person?
            So it turns out that the leadership of the LPNR and in Russia are narrow-minded people who, out of their feeble mind, will allow them to build a fortified area there. All around there were traitors, everything was lost.
  2. +3
    10 December 2021 16: 18
    we are talking about a certain federalization of Ukraine, where the eastern formations will have a certain autonomy. In a crisis, these entities could begin the process of separation from Ukraine. The question is what borders will have autonomy. If these are only those territories that are now actually the DPR and LPR, then of course it makes little sense. But if the formations in the Federation of Ukraine are of a different size (the entire east and southeast of Ukraine), then their weight in the country, their autonomy, may serve as some kind of transformations that (if the nationalists continue to tear Ukraine apart from the inside) may become the beginning of the disintegration of Ukraine.
    1. -1
      10 December 2021 16: 27
      Quote: Siegfried
      we are talking about a certain federalization of Ukraine, where the eastern formations will have a certain autonomy

      People who have been genocide for 8 years and who held referendums on independence on May 11, 2014 decided not to ask?
      Strelkov writes about the mood of the people there with the phrase "A plague on both your houses."
    2. -1
      10 December 2021 18: 03
      You can secede even now, the DPR and LPR are de facto separated. The only question is that no one recognizes their status legally: neither we, nor Ukraine, nor the West.
      So the presence of autonomy or its absence does not affect anything at all in the case of separation.
      The solution to the issue is solely in the area of ​​forcing Kiev to recognize the new status of Crimea, DPR, LPR, Novorossiya, whatever. No new entities, like autonomy, affect anything, there is no need to reproduce them.
      1. +6
        10 December 2021 21: 06
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        The only question is that no one legally recognizes their status.

        Uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh, and how international law it is determined that it is necessary to someone's confession? It seems like everything is happening without a hitch, and there is no need to let fog in here. Low-browed propagandos-dropouts like to insert the adjective "self-proclaimed" in relation to the DPR / LPR, but what, for example, France, Russia, the USA or Norway are NOT self-proclaimed ???? All countries on the planet are SELF-proclaimed, or almost all, with Israel, not everything is so simple.) Vaughn ragulieu wriggles that de Crimea no one recognized - and where is it written that whose recognition is required besides the people of Crimea and the State Duma of the Russian Federation?)
        1. -1
          11 December 2021 09: 34
          Uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh, and how international law it is determined that it is necessary to someone's confession?

          It is possible to exist without recognition. Like Transnistria or LDNR. You just have to pay a high price for this and be constantly prepared for the fact that this problem can be solved by force.
          1. 0
            11 December 2021 18: 36
            Quote: Marzhetsky
            It is possible to exist without recognition. Like Transnistria or LDNR. You just have to pay a high price for this and be constantly prepared for the fact that this problem can be solved by force.

            Are you writing all this seriously? Have you been to the DPR or LPR for a long time?
  3. +2
    10 December 2021 17: 00
    It is possible that this will be a defeat. But something tells me that Kiev will not agree to these agreements.
    This means agreeing to the administrative boundaries of Donetsk and Lugansk. Recognize their autonomy. That is, the language and its identity, different from the hohlyatsky. To pay YOUR citizens all debts for 7-8 years. Pay for all delivered goods from Russia. Introduce deputies from the South-East to the Rada. Who will speak Russian in the Rada. Other regions of the South and South-East will want the same. And the West of Ukraine too.
    I will more believe that Zelensky will be carried feet first.
    And there is very little time left for all this. I think two or three months maximum. Santa Claus may come earlier.
    But, in general, the scenario for Russia is, of course, a losing one. Only it is unlikely to come true.
    1. 0
      10 December 2021 21: 43
      Quote: Bakht
      But something tells me that Kiev will not agree to these agreements.

      To promise is not to marry.
      As one of the founders of the punitive Nazi battalions, a certain filat, used to say: "Promise anything, we will hang up later."
      promise, but fulfill ...
      And the result will come out to whom the gesheft is, to whom the sanctions are weak, and to whom to give their lives in torment for this ... is unknown.
      1. +3
        10 December 2021 22: 10
        Kiev (specifically Zelensky) will not be able to fulfill the Minsk agreements. For this, it is necessary to amend the Constitution. And the Rada will no longer be able to fulfill this.

        Article 5 of the Constitution of Ukraine
        The right to determine and change the constitutional order in Ukraine belongs exclusively to the people and cannot be usurped by the state, its bodies or officials.

        Are the citizens of Donbass the people of Ukraine?

        Well, the Minsk Agreements themselves. In order to reach control over the border (point 9) and the withdrawal of all armed formations (point 10), it is necessary to fulfill points 1 to 8. None of them will be fulfilled by Ukraine. So this whole conversation, that Biden will persuade (order) Zelensky to comply with the Minsk agreements, is a conversation about nothing. The only thing that can happen is another freeze of the conflict.
        By the way, there are notes in the Minsk agreements. Will Kiev be able to fulfill them?

        the right to linguistic self-determination

        - assistance from the central authorities cross-border cooperation in certain areas of Donetsk and Lugansk regions with regions of the Russian Federation;

        the creation of detachments of the people's militia by decision of local councils in order to maintain public order in certain areas of Donetsk and Luhansk regions

        Unfortunately, you are right, in the last words "to give someone their lives in torment for this." But what is the alternative? Accept Donbass into Russia and lose all of Ukraine? Or freeze the conflict (and Ukraine as a whole, literally) and get the whole country? Of course, there are no guarantees that everything will work out. But leaving Donbass as part of Ukraine gives at least some chance to restore a neutral Ukraine. The admission of Donbass to Russia leaves millions of Russians in Ukraine, buries the idea of ​​Novorossia and transfers all of Ukraine to the rule of the West. Even without joining NATO, Western troops and bases will appear there to protect the territorial integrity of the remnants of Ukraine.

        So. The first stage - freezing the conflict with inevitable victims
        The second stage - at some point, at the next shelling or provocation, to strike at the Armed Forces of Ukraine by the forces of the LPNR corps.
        In my opinion, the salvation of Ukraine is possible only by the LPNR forces. And for this they must be part of Ukraine. An unpleasant decision, but in politics there are few pleasant decisions at all.
        There are no unsolvable problems, there are unpleasant solutions

        1. +1
          10 December 2021 23: 50
          Kiev (specifically Zelensky) will not be able to fulfill the Minsk agreements. For this, it is necessary to amend the Constitution.

          It's not even about the Constitution. The return of Donbass means a radical change in the electorate. Votes will return at least 4 million voters. And their mood will be unambiguous. For the sake of excluding these voices, everything was started. They merged Crimea (by agreement with Putin) and hung the Donbass on Putin, which Putin did not want. He asked not to hold a referendum. And Strelkov, it seems, worked on the order of the oligarchs 404. Putin did not need this, from the word "absolutely". And from the point of view of politics (sanctions), and the economy and structure of the electorate of Ukraine.
          And now it will be necessary to become attached to the aggravation on the line of contact, to recognize the LPNR within the boundaries of those territories where the referendum was held.
          It is not for nothing that Zelenskiy is warned in the USA cloyingly not to provoke Russia. They will say - it is his own fault. It was necessary to agree on the terms of the surrender of Ukraine. I hope we got it.
          And there will be provocations. Just imagine what would have happened if the conversation between Biden and Zelensky had not been postponed for an hour.
          "Donbass" departed at 19.04, and negotiations were to begin at 19.30. The whole exacerbation would have begun after a direct connection, they would not have had time to react. And so, for sure, our people called Washington, Zelensky was on the wire and Biden told him everything he thought. Moreover, Biden himself did not necessarily say. And the pelvis managed to turn away 18 miles before the bridge. What if ...?
          Donbass is not a boat. He is unarmed, but over 100 meters long. It would be necessary to shoot the propeller-rudder group, it would move further by inertia and in drift. And there are a lot of ships in line to pass. The passage was closed because of him. Could have bumped into the bridge support. True, they seem to be designed for this.
          Aggravation at the front is better for us.
          1. +1
            11 December 2021 00: 08
            Agree

            Aggravation at the front is better for us.

            All the more I agree.
          2. 0
            11 December 2021 07: 24
            Quote: boriz
            They merged Crimea (by agreement with Putin) and hung the Donbass on Putin, which Putin did not want. He asked not to hold a referendum. And Strelkov, it seems, worked for the 404 oligarchs.

            I give a memory pill - May 7, 2014 Burkhalter arrived.
            After that, Mr. geochessist danced on the press, and asked not to hold a referendum - like I chickened out and screwed up because don't cook a pot. And how not to cook if the war is going on? Raise your hands?
            You work for oligarchs 404, FACT! Honest people reached out to Strelkov, and to ... ezduny to Minsk, thieves, traitors to the Russian people, overshoes that just yesterday lubyly ukroindu, yes people like you hirelings. Normal among you and you can not name anyone, everything is like a selection.
            Therefore, you smear the shooters with dirt that you are NOTHING THAT DOES NOTHING
          3. 0
            11 December 2021 09: 35
            It's not even about the Constitution. The return of Donbass means a radical change in the electorate. Votes will return at least 4 million voters. And their mood will be unambiguous. For the sake of excluding these voices, everything was started. They merged Crimea (by agreement with Putin) and hung the Donbass on Putin, which Putin did not want. He asked not to hold a referendum. And Strelkov, it seems, worked on the order of the oligarchs 404. Putin did not need this, from the word "absolutely". And from the point of view of politics (sanctions), and the economy and structure of the electorate of Ukraine.

            The more years go by, the more wild explanations come up ...
  4. +1
    10 December 2021 17: 31
    Yes, I agree, the question is not easy, like a card bluff - you can win on nothing, you can lose big if your opponent has a better card.
    So far, everything rests on the fact that the Minsk ones are more unacceptable for the DUrkaini than for the LPNR and Russia. But if Durkainu is forced to perform them, then, of course, a problem arises, but if it is overcome, then it will not seem like little. Therefore, the main task is to shake the protests in DUrkain before she agrees with the decision.
  5. +6
    10 December 2021 17: 38
    All laws concerning the LPR should be coordinated with the LPR. So far, there has not been a single such law. They will not be accepted.
    The one who violated the laws and the Constitution of Ukraine will pay for everything.
    Who changed the president past the Constitution (it’s in vain that they took Yanukovych off the bench right now).
    Who used the APU to destroy the civilian population. This is also recognized in Ukraine.
    Who signed agreements with the opposition, but refused to fulfill the obligations of the guarantor of these agreements when the opposition violated these agreements the next day. Germany, France, Poland.
    And nowhere I see Russia.
    In addition, a peaceful resolution of the conflict was reached at the end of June 2014. Medvedchuk and Shufrich in negotiations with the LPNR. But Poroshenko still moved the troops. Must answer personally
    Well, that's very useful to listen to. from 0.23



    Everything could easily have ended at the end of June 2014. You just didn't have to do anything. Do not interfere with people to sort out the situation (since he himself is not capable of this).
  6. 0
    10 December 2021 17: 50
    I fully agree with the author of the article.
    We have already ceded "de facto" the territory of Ukraine to the Americans for its military development. Judging by the speeches of the country's leadership, and simply proceeding from common sense, we ourselves cannot come to terms with the consequences of this. In fact, we are talking about our "red lines" already crossed by the enemy, about how, one way or another, to force him to "play back."
    For this we need active actions, including on the territory of Ukraine.
    Returning to the Minsk agreements now means fixing with our hands the existing situation, which no longer suits us. This has become beneficial to the Americans, but it is no longer beneficial to us.
    I think that in some cases in the international arena it is better to be reasonable than honest. Moreover, an unreasonable partner will lose all the respect it has won. Don't let the enemy catch your tongue. The price of such scrupulousness can be the life of the country and its people.
    In the conditions of the unrestrained aggressiveness of the United States and NATO, the only guarantees for us can be only those that we ourselves provide with our actions and our military strength.
  7. -1
    10 December 2021 18: 12
    Quote: boriz
    All laws concerning the LPR should be coordinated with the LPR. So far, there has not been a single such law. They will not be accepted.
    The one who violated the laws and the Constitution of Ukraine will pay for everything.

    Who pays for everything will determine the winner. So far it cannot be said that we are heading towards victory. The surrender of Donbass will be our defeat.
    1. -1
      10 December 2021 18: 20
      Who pays for everything will determine the winner.

      The USA is no longer the winner. Now there is a dispute just about the price of the delivery of Ukraine to the Russian zone. And we do not have to pay. And the United States does not want to pay.
      And Ukraine will not want to pay. Now the official pension debt alone (I thought it was more) is 77 billion hryvnyas. Where did they get that kind of money?
  8. +2
    10 December 2021 18: 26
    Quote: boriz
    The USA is no longer the winner. Now there is a dispute just about the price of the delivery of Ukraine to the Russian zone. And we do not have to pay. And the United States does not want to pay.
    And Ukraine will not want to pay. Now the official pension debt alone (I thought it was more) is 77 billion hryvnyas. Where did they get that kind of money?

    You fantasize too much and believe in your fantasies. IMHO. hi
    1. 0
      10 December 2021 23: 27
      But my fantasies often come true.
      1. 0
        11 December 2021 09: 36
        Give 3 specific examples, if not difficult.
  9. 0
    11 December 2021 09: 55
    Marzhetsky pulled a sparrow, not an owl, onto the globe. It is clear that with such blasphemy, no shape or color remained from the sparrow. Why does this Marzhetsky propose to fulfill the Minsk agreements from the 9th and 11th clauses? After all, the execution should go sequentially starting from point number odyn, then point number two follows. It's some kind of perversion to move backwards. Ukrainians have already tried to move in this way and got where they need to. Marzhetsky moved in the same direction.
    1. 0
      11 December 2021 10: 54
      A rare manifestation of incompetence and profanation hi
      1. 0
        11 December 2021 10: 58
        Even you agree with me.
        1. 0
          11 December 2021 10: 58
          Yeah, rightly they say: what is the pop, so is the parish.
          1. 0
            11 December 2021 11: 04
            A very deep thought. You can't get it right away.
          2. 0
            15 December 2021 15: 26
            In general, I also did not understand why everything is upside down in your reasoning. To the points about the withdrawal of some kind of troops, about fortified areas, about the genocide of local ukrokrateli and expulsion, I certainly understand. But all this is possible only after crossing the border with Ukraine, and before crossing the border there are still many points that Ukraine simply will never be able to fulfill - the same amnesty and local police, which are provided for by the points.
            And yours is straightforward as it is simple, a referendum, the transfer of the border, repression and expulsion of Russians, reparations, etc.))) To come to this, I will repeat once again to do a lot of things that Bandera's Ukraine will never do. Therefore, your forecasts are simply utopian and can only please the rogueli in their mriyas.
  10. 0
    11 December 2021 14: 24
    And, the arguments "that the drawbar, where he turned, went there" - immediately remembered.
    Either for 6 years they referred to the "Minsk agreements", then once, and "The implementation of the Minsk agreements will become a defeat for Russia."

    And the buffer zone with an impoverished population, a collapsed economy, arms trafficking, and YEDROM in power continues to remain so
  11. +1
    11 December 2021 23: 38
    the Minsk agreements are a truce, but Bandera do not want it, which means the Russian Federation introduces troops and conducts a "Crimean referendum"
  12. +1
    13 December 2021 21: 02
    This was clear 5 years ago. The Ukrainians are hooked and persist out of stupidity. There are also degenerates Natsik sticks in the wheels are inserted. To yourself. Yes, now attention is diverted from Crimea. 7 years. During this time, a lot has been done in Crimea. The geography of Crimea is such that you can't take it from Ukraine.
    By the way, Ukraine had an even simpler option: to withdraw the troops and do nothing. Again, they are stupid.
    But your analysis has one flaw: the main one. A significant part of the Donbass population will leave. They are already Russians. Nobody will go to Donbass from Kiev, Galicia, Lvov, Khmelnitsky. They have already dispersed across Europe, who could. There will be nothing to restore in Donbass.
  13. 0
    15 December 2021 08: 38
    Marzhetsky, you're wrong! Directly some kind of choral singing with puppies. Movnyuks are bound by these agreements, by the way, approved by the UN, hand and foot, so they can only do petty dirty tricks and jump like toads in the gray zone, and their cancellation gives complete freedom of action, regardless of all laws and conventions.
  14. 0
    15 December 2021 11: 58
    This goal was pursued by the GDP when signing these treacherous and capitulating agreements. But the goal has been abandoned, as can be seen from the Kremlin's policy.
  15. 0
    20 January 2022 09: 13
    The United States has already firmly grown economically in Ukraine.

    oil trader Nikolai Zlochevsky, a businessman who began his career in the nineties, together with his partner Nikolai Lisin, founded the vertically integrated gas company Burisma Holding. It is engaged in exploration, production and sale of natural gas in Ukraine and now holds licenses for the development of Ukrainian subsoil in Kharkiv, Lvov, Ivano-Frankivsk and Chernihiv regions. All the produced gas - now it is about a billion cubic meters per year - is sold by the private gas company of Nikolai Zlochevsky on the domestic market. In 2003, Mykola Zlochevsky took over as chairman of the newly created State Committee for Natural Resources of Ukraine.

    Joe Biden's son was (and maybe still is) on the board of directors of Burisma Holding. And do you think that Ukrainian oligarchs and Americans will miss this business?
  16. 0
    29 January 2022 23: 55
    they say Putin is an awesome strategist, but really, if Ukraine suddenly fulfills the MS, then it will bring its troops into the territory of the DPR / LPR, block the border and strangle all these militias and everyone with Russian passports.
    1. 0
      22 February 2022 01: 51
      If he doesn’t have time, one blow and goodbye Ukraine, no one will tolerate genocide, no need to rely on the all-powerful Ukraine, the DPR and LPR have enough forces and equipment to fight back, there are no fools to disarm.
  17. 0
    14 February 2022 12: 46
    No one will give anything to anyone