"Strikes on the decision-making centers": Putin does not threaten, Putin warns for now


Epigraph: "If a fight is inevitable, then you must hit first!" (V.V. Putin)

Everyone, probably, remembers the famous statement of Putin, handed down as an epigraph. But, unfortunately, not everyone, especially in the West, takes it seriously. But Putin is exactly what differs from the Westernpoliticiansthat does not throw words to the wind. I invite all the mistrustful to read this text carefully.

Recently, the Kremlin has been increasingly insistently proposing that the United States and NATO provide Russia with formal written legal guarantees that NATO structures will not move eastward and that new members will not be drawn there. This proposal from Moscow presupposes a revision of the results of the Cold War, in which, according to Washington, the united West won. Naturally, for this reason, no one gives any guarantees to Putin, considering the issue settled, while hinting quite transparently that the entry of new members into the North Atlantic Alliance is a purely personal matter of the Alliance and these countries themselves, and no Kremlin decree to them here.

Revision of the Cold War results for the West is also unacceptable, as well as revision of the results of World War II for the Russian Federation. And it seems that they cannot be denied logic here. But the trouble is that these brilliant gentlemen do not at all take into account the fact that now is not at all the 90s of the last century, and Russia is not the same, and the collective West is also not the same. About breathing in incense its Stars and Stripes leader, I just keep silent. Sleepy Joe is not only the president of this colossus with feet of clay, which no longer produces anything but green dollar bills, but also a tracing of the state of affairs within this former hegemon himself. It is not even the hour, both of them, look, they will retire to God.

With all this, the West continues to stupidly bend its line, pretending that it does not hear the peacekeeping statements of Putin and Lavrov about the need to take into account Russia's interests. This practice can only lead to one thing - they will soon have to communicate not with Putin and Lavrov, but with Shoigu.

A reasonable question from Putin at the Russia Calling! Forum: "Where are we going ?!"


Speaking recently at the Russia Calling! VTB Capital Investment Forum, Putin clearly outlined the red lines that are unacceptable for the Russian Federation. NATO strategic bombers 20 km from our borders with high-precision nuclear weapons on board, NATO missile defense systems in Poland and Romania, which can be converted into strike Tomahawks in five minutes, NATO military infrastructure on Ukrainian territory. What can you order us to do with hypothetical American strike missiles near Kharkov or Dnepropetrovsk? It’s not us who surround America with our bases; it’s NATO that is getting closer and closer to us. The flight time to Moscow is reduced to 5 minutes. You leave us no choice! Such things are not a joke!


And this is not yet Putin said that it is not even necessary for NATO to deploy its strike missiles near Kharkiv; missile defense systems will be enough, which will neutralize all our advantage in ground-based strategic missiles, destroying them on take-off trajectories. With this, the States can completely break the existing parity in nuclear weapons, where America's advantage in air and sea-based carriers we compensate for with an advantage in ground-based nuclear deterrent. For those who do not understand, I repeat, the American missile defense systems near Kharkov can reset all our mining installations of the Strategic Missile Forces up to the Urals. What do you order us to do with this? At the same time, the United States has already withdrawn from the ABM Treaty and the Treaty on Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles.

Naturally, we are forced to react to this. Therefore, we shouldn't be surprised at our achievements in hypersound. Successful tests have already passed, and from the beginning of next year a new sea-based hypersonic missile is being delivered to the fleet. "Zircon" is called. Speed ​​- Mach 9. The flight time to Washington when launched from a submarine from international waters is 5 minutes. It will not seem enough to anyone. Putin does not threaten, Putin warns:

The blows will be directed at the decision-making centers. Where are we going ?! Are you aware of it?

In conclusion, Putin expressed the hope that things would not come to an exchange of blows, that a sense of common sense and responsibility for their countries and the world community would nevertheless prevail.

Doublet shot


Simultaneously with the President of Russia, the President of Belarus, unrecognized by the West, Alexander Lukashenko, who suddenly in an interview with Dmitry Kiselev, quite accidentally coincided with Putin's speech at the forum "Russia Calling!" (do you believe in such accidents?), recognized Crimea as Russian (well, finally, not even 8 years have passed!) and promised in the event of a conflict between Ukraine and Russia to speak on whose side it is known (a day later he even specified on whose ). And in the event of the deployment of nuclear weapons in Poland, daddy threatened to provide his territory to Russia for the deployment of similar Russian missiles (all mines except one are fully operational and have been waiting for this hour for all 30 years).


At that very moment, someone in the West felt bad, and in Kiev they began urgently to dig a ditch, designed to separate the Republic of Belarus from Nezalezhnaya. But even this was not enough for the old man, and he promised the Poles, for their bad attitude towards him, to cut off the gas supply to Warsaw. At that moment, someone in Moscow in the Gazprom office also felt bad. Do you believe in coincidences like this? Me not. Before meeting with Biden, the Kremlin is doubling the stakes. The old man got ready for the Crimea, and the Belavia planes went to Simferopol.


Meanwhile, NATO


At the same time, speaking at a meeting of NATO foreign ministers in Riga, its secretary general, Jens Stoltenberg, pretended that this did not concern them, openly sending Putin in a certain direction, stating that it was not for him to tell them who to take in. NATO and who is not. Let's forgive this Norwegian non-Doviking his greyhound, it is clear that it comes from a completely erroneous belief that the entire power of the North Atlantic Alliance, led by the United States, is behind him. We all know that NATO is no longer the same, and the States are no longer the same. This borzot is only because for a long time the North Atlantic Alliance has not been in the hands of others, forgive me my French. Stoltenberg is just a clerk, not even a military man, his destiny is only to bark at passing cars. In contrast, the States sitting in one of these cars are well aware of the current state of affairs in the military confrontation with Russia and China. And they, like no one else, understand that there is no longer a smell of parity. Moreover, the gap between them is only growing, and not today or tomorrow Russia and China will dictate their terms to America.

We urgently need to negotiate. It's just that Stoltenberg has not yet been informed about this and he continues to bark belligerently, infecting the whole pack of his pets with his barking, where the Baltic Pekingese and the Polish dachshund are especially zealous (that look out of zeal, soon Stoltenberg himself will be torn into rags). Only the American Rottweiler in this whole kennel understands that it is necessary to urgently seek compromises with the Russian bear, until he reaches an agreement with the Chinese dragon. Then it will be too late to drink Borjomi.

Speaking to the Russian Foreign Ministry apparatus in November, Vladimir Putin set the task for the Russian Foreign Ministry and Sergei Lavrov personally to obtain written guarantees from Washington for the military non-development of the territories closest to the Russian borders. Those who have ears, let them hear. We will see the results of these negotiations in the near future. The platform for this will be the summit of top US-Russian officials (part 2), which is to be held in an expanded format online on December 7. Don't be confused by the skirmish between Lavrov and Blinken that took place at the last Stockholm meeting of the OSCE Ministerial Council - it was a kind of preparation for the upcoming summit, so to speak, strengthening the negotiating positions. The fact that the preparations for the summit were forced by setting it for December 7 only says that it was impossible to pull further - the stakes have already been doubled. Their tripling will be caused only by the destabilization of the situation in the conflict zone in the Donbass. But this will already be a point of no return for Moscow. After it, the situation on the political map of the world can radically change. Washington is not yet ready to do this. At least the White House as represented by its current owner.

That's all for now! We are waiting for the summit.
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  1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 December 2021 19: 44
    -16
    Revision of the results of the Cold War for the West is also unacceptable, as is the revision of the results of World War II for the Russian Federation.

    As the results of the privatization of Russia.
    1. Bitter Offline Bitter
      Bitter 7 December 2021 00: 57
      +1
      Privatization and "stuffing in the pockets" of the territories and resources of the USSR among the "princelings" is "completely different," moreover, it is sacred. "Golden Times" (c).
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 7 December 2021 01: 03
        -2
        For them, this is the main thing, and not some kind of combat readiness, patriotism, Motherland.
  2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 December 2021 19: 47
    -18
    Washington is not yet ready to do this. At least the White House as represented by its current owner.

    They have a Congress and a Senate. It is not by Russian standards to judge the United States.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 5 December 2021 19: 57
      +5
      yeah ... I already heard that on January 1 of this year, when Congress, by both Chambers, passed amendments to the Defense Budget for this year, where the sanctions against SP-2 were written. It was the law. How did Biden get around him?
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 December 2021 20: 30
        -16
        Sanctions are in effect. They promised to launch SP-2 for commercial gas in November 2021. Then it was postponed to January 2022. Now Gazprom is talking about May 2022. Merkel is all. US vassals have come to power in Germany. Putin has nothing to implement threats. State Armament Programs 2005, 2010 , 2011-2020 This can be seen most clearly in the state of the Russian Navy and Air Force.
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Vladimir) 5 December 2021 20: 42
          +4
          remind me what sanctions are in place against SP-2? I forgot something! SP-2 has been completed and is already making a profit without even working! why should we force it to launch? we are quite satisfied with the existing gas prices! Why do we need to shoot them down by launching the SP-2? if Europe wants to freeze - let it freeze! Gazprom will sell less gas, but 10 times more expensive. Earlier, the price for 2021 in the budget of Gazprom was set as $ 171 / thousand cubic meters. What is the gas price now?
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 December 2021 21: 13
            -10
            The network is full of information about sanctions. Because of them, ships were hijacked by the pipelayers of a Swiss company, etc. Without transporting commercial gas, no profit can be obtained. This is demagoguery and manipulation, for simpletons. The SP-2 was built to sell gas, and not for conversations. about imaginary profits without selling goods. Gazprom will not be able to sell gas on the spot market. You are trying to talk about the spot price of gas. The Russian inhabitant in Zamkadia is not hot and cold because of its value.
            In pseudo-patriotic circles, the new Cold War is perceived not only with understanding, but also with some enthusiasm. And on federal channels with enviable regularity there are various reports about how America will soon bend, the dollar will collapse, the overseas economy will collapse, and the Russian ruble will flourish on its wreckage, and our country will not be stopped, the gas price will be $ 1800. And there are people who sincerely believe in this, but the bitter truth is that now we do not need to get involved in a new political and especially economic confrontation with the United States. There are many reasons why Russia will not be able to win the new Cold War. But you can dwell on the main ones.
            1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
              Volkonsky (Vladimir) 5 December 2021 21: 39
              +5
              I see that you are a sent Cossack! do not jump from the bazaar, we are not talking about military issues, in which you seem to be an expert, but about gas, in which you don’t fumble! Gazprom sells 15% of its gas on the spot market, and 85% under long-term contracts. You know the spot prices - $ 1180 at the moment, and under contracts they are revised quarterly taking into account the oil basket and spot prices at gas hubs for the previous 3 quarters (each client has his own interest - the Poles, for example, 87% spot gas prices and only 13% oil, the Germans have a 100% oil basket). Guess what prices will be for the volumes of gas contracted from Gazprom, if the price for gas remains at the existing levels for another 3 quarters? For gas supplies, the existing gas pipelines will be enough for us, even if they, in spite of themselves, will not certify the already built SP-2 for at least a year. Did you get the idea?
              1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 December 2021 21: 53
                -10
                The topic of the post is not about gas. There, in the photo, the VGK is talking with the NGSH of the Russian Armed Forces, and he (NGSh) is not responsible for gas trading.

                Gazprom sells 15% of its gas on the spot market, and 85% under long-term contracts.

                Only long-term Gazprom contracts. This is what the foreign founders say. What can you guess. The prices will remain approximately the same. There will be no sharp take-off.

                For gas supplies, the existing gas pipelines will be enough for us, even if they, in spite of themselves, will not certify the already built SP-2 for at least a year.

                Then why did they squeeze out SP-2? Gazprom wanted so much to enrich the contractors? The United States and Germany, foreign founders are making every effort to preserve Ukrainian transit. Because subsidizing thieves in Ukraine is expensive.
                1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
                  Volkonsky (Vladimir) 5 December 2021 22: 18
                  +3
                  The topic of the post is not about gas. There, in the photo, the VGK is talking with the NGSH of the Russian Armed Forces, and he (NGSh) is not responsible for gas trading.

                  From what? You just remembered not about Gerasimov, but about the gas that the US Congress cut off to us, telling us that Congress is omnipotent, but Putin is not. Using a simple example, I proved that in America, Congress does not decide everything.

                  Only long-term Gazprom contracts. This is what the foreign founders say. What can you guess. The prices will remain approximately the same. There will be no sharp take-off.

                  The founders do not order anything to Gazprom. They can only order Nord Stream 2 AG. This time! As for the prices that will remain for Gazprom's clients under long-term contracts, I had a better opinion of you. It seems that at school you had "two" in mathematics, you devoted all your time to physical education and CWP. Why is Poland now paying 550 USD / thousand cubic meters under its long-term contract with Miller, but will pay 850 USD? Because in August the spot price was $ 600 per thousand cubic meters, and in October it was already $ 1200. And in December it is the same. How much will Poland pay Gazprom in the next quarter? And the price is adjusted quarterly taking into account the last 9 months. Lag - 3 quarters. Revision of prices - every quarter. The decision of the Stockholm Arbitration, where Poland itself applied. The decision is binding for all Gazprom customers because the EU has case law. The precedent has been created! We can wait another year for the launch of SP-2. We are satisfied. Europe itself pays for its own stupidity. And he will pay if he does not certify SP-2
                  1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 December 2021 22: 43
                    -11
                    Using a simple example, I proved that in America, Congress does not decide everything.

                    Not everything. But a lot. And in Russia only Putin decides. State Duma, Federation Council, VS kivali.

                    The founders do not order anything to Gazprom.

                    Then they would not have established Gazprom. They would not have lectured on their huge profits.

                    Europe itself pays for its own stupidity. And he will pay if he does not certify SP-2

                    Order is order. Neither the State Department, nor old Biden, nor Congress will pay for SP-2.

                    We can wait another year for the launch of SP-2. We are satisfied.

                    When SP-2 began to build, other speeches sounded. You can wait a hundred years.
            2. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 6 December 2021 07: 56
              +3
              But the bitter truth is that now we do not need to get involved in a new political and especially economic confrontation with the United States.

              Does it depend on us? Does Russia have an initiative? And what should be done?
              1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 10: 27
                -8
                Sit quietly in the bushes and supply oil and gas to customers.
                1. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 6 December 2021 13: 32
                  +1
                  Sit quietly in the bushes and supply oil and gas to customers.

                  In other words, do you recommend following the advice of the British minister?



                  Why don't you do the same? They would sit like a mouse under a broom and not shine.
                  By the way, you managed not to answer simple questions. Is it that difficult? I can repeat ...

                  Does it depend on us? Does Russia have an initiative?
                  1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 14: 37
                    -2
                    Who is this to you? What are the questions?
                    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
                      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 6 December 2021 15: 52
                      +2
                      already turned on the fool! and how well he started!
                    2. 123 Offline 123
                      123 (123) 6 December 2021 17: 23
                      +2
                      Who is this to you? What are the questions?

                      I am not me and the house is not mine request Thank you, respected, satisfied curiosity good
                      The answer is exhaustive, everything is clear with you laughing
          2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 December 2021 21: 22
            -7
            The first reason is Russia's weak economy. A vivid illustration of this - two words that Biden said when answering the question whether he considers Vladimir Putin to be a murderer. After these words, the ruble began to shake on the stock exchange. But if Vladimir Vladimirovich calls Biden a maniac, a murderer and a necrophile in one person, then nothing will happen to the dollar. And here you can feel the difference in the strength of the economies of both countries.
            The second reason is Russia's lack of reliable military and political allies. The United States also has disagreements with its partners, but they are less fatal and serious.
            The third reason is the system of power, the absence of a political elite in our country. You can criticize the United States as much as you want - there is a reason. But it must be admitted that their political system is more balanced and better copes with all crises and problems. And our mill lives in manual control mode - no one will scratch it until Putin says.
            The fourth reason is unsuccessful military reforms. Beginning in 1993. The triad of strategic nuclear forces has turned into a monad in 25 years. The Navy has lost reconnaissance, strike, and anti-aircraft missile defense. The auxiliary fleet and hydrographic detachment have been lost. Bad for providing SSBNs. No destroyers. TARKRs disappear. TAVKR decays. Ship repair is decrepit. Ships are built for a long time, expensive, little. The basis of the Air Force - Long-Range, Strategic and military-transport aviation are degrading. Serial production of the Su-57 has failed. Russian Air Force fighters without radar with AFAR, without EDSU on engines, engines are not double-circuit. and U, tankers are minuscule.
            1. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
              Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 6 December 2021 02: 24
              +6
              Hey, taxi driver, you, with your mantra about sleeping polymers, are stuffy like a toad.
              Himself, in his life, he did not create anything worthwhile, did not build. Otherwise I would have seen and appreciated the work of other people.
              1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 10: 28
                -6
                Don't read these comments; get them out of your head!
          3. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 December 2021 21: 27
            -7
            FGBU Marine Rescue Service, which is part of the Federal Agency for Maritime and River Transport of the Ministry of Transport of the Russian Federation, Mortransservice LLC registered in Kaliningrad, Samara Heat and Power Property Fund and the Moscow transport and forwarding company Koksokhimtrans, fell under the new US sanctions. This is reported on the website of the American Ministry of Finance. The sanctioned list also includes the following vessels: the Akademik Chersky crane-erection pipelayer, the Artemis Offshore multipurpose support vessel assigned to the port of Vladivostok, the Bakhtemir multipurpose support vessel in St. Petersburg, the Baltic Researcher, the Finval tug capable of performing the work of an anchor breeder.
            In addition, the "Kapitan Beklemishev" rescue tug, the "Murman" search and rescue tug, the "Narval", "Sivuch" and "Umka" tugs, "Spasatel Karev", equipped with systems for round-the-clock observation and assessment of ice the situation, the icebreaker "Vladislav Strizhov" and the ship "Yuri Topchev", equipped with a large number of radio navigation equipment.
            The Nord Stream 2 pipeline certifier - the Norwegian company Det Norske Veritas - Germanischer Lloyd (DNV GL) withdrew from the project due to the threat of US sanctions, RIA Novosti reported, citing a source in the company itself.

            “The US Department of State has published new guidance on the Protection of Europe's Energy Security Act (PEESA). Accordingly, we believe that DNV GL's inspection activities of equipped vessels serving the Nord Stream 2 project are subject to sanctions. Therefore DNV GL has stopped providing services that may be subject to PEESA, ”said a company spokesman.
            1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
              Volkonsky (Vladimir) 5 December 2021 22: 02
              +6
              We have already seen how "harshly" the Americans dealt with Umka and 12 other Russian courts that fell under the sanctions of the State Department. How they politely bowed to the Federal State Budgetary Institution "Marine Rescue Service" (MSS), participating in the project, too. For those who are not in the know, I report that the US Treasury punished the MCC and any organization where it owns 50 or more percent of the shares, only for SP-2 and TP (Turkish Stream), leaving other types of its financial activities outside the zone of application sanctions. Everything has been said about Putin's friend, a former employee of the Stasi (Stasi is the secret police of the GDR, an analogue of the KGB), and now the director of Nord Stream-2 AG. Okay, even if Matthias Waring is a citizen of the Federal Republic of Germany, with which Biden does not want to quarrel, but the operator company Nord Stream-2 AG itself is registered in Swiss jurisdiction. Is Biden also afraid of ruining relations with Switzerland?

              How Biden bypassed the law of the US Congress, this is "finally a separate spot"! I myself thought (and wrote about it) that this is impossible. Sanctions against SP-2 were carried out by amendments to the US Defense Budget for 2021, for which both houses of Congress voted on January 1, 2021, overcoming the president's veto for this (which happened for the first time during the Trump administration). Biden was put in a situation where, in order to repeal this law, it was necessary to pass a new one, because the laws of Congress are not regulated by presidential decrees, and in Congress there is complete consensus on this matter - both "elephants" and "donkeys" with all their hooves (or that there they still have) were for sanctions against the hated Russia. If at the same time Germany also suffers, then the "elephants" were also satisfied (which we immediately saw!), Even allies are drowned in the struggle for survival, expensive gas will make European products uncompetitive in comparison with the products of American manufacturers (and the Germans are competitors to Americans , primarily in the American domestic market). In the situation of the global world crisis of the entire capitalist system, only one can survive, and it is somehow even stupid to accuse the Republicans, who stand up for the priority of national interests, that they want the United States to be this one.

              For all Biden's love for Frau Merkel, the situation was hopeless. So it seemed to me. I never imagined that the White House could ignore the law of the US Congress, citing national interests. However, it turned out that nothing is impossible in this world. The State Department has beautifully handled the US Congress, vowing that the next time will return to this issue no later than 90 days, when the SP-2 is already completed.

              Who scared us with the evil and vengeful old man Biden? In fact, the old man turned out to be a kind-hearted man. That's when Alzheimer's help. Remembers nothing! What kind of Ukraine? .. I don't know. And where is it? .. What kind of Poland? .. Our friend? So what? .. What kind of "Nord Stream-2"? .. I don't know anything. Yes, God bless him. Let it be ... Putin? Russia? .. I remember these. Scary people, wild country, hypersonic missiles. We need to negotiate, otherwise it will be too late ... So it turned out that if for Putin SP-2 is a matter of political prestige, then for Biden it is nothing more than a bargaining chip.
              1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 December 2021 22: 17
                -8
                Quote: Volkonsky
                Is Biden also afraid of ruining relations with Switzerland?

                Switzerland thanked the United States with the purchase of a batch of F-35 fighters.

                For all Biden's love for Frau Merkel, the situation was hopeless.

                Merkel has retired.

                The State Department has beautifully made a handle to the US Congress, vowing that the next time will return to this issue no later than 90 days, when the SP-2 will already be completed.

                But commercial gas doesn’t run through SP-2. Maybe it will. Or maybe it won’t. Business is running towards war. Everyone is tired of the crisis. The only way to end the crisis is by redistributing markets. And this process is bloody.

                hypersonic missiles

                There is no such ammunition in the Russian Armed Forces, adopted for service, mass-produced. For a hypersonic ammunition, it is necessary to invent a hypersonic ramjet engine, a heat-resistant cap that can withstand temperatures of more than 4000 degrees Celsius. As shown in reports from the White Sea, modernized Onyx. With a pair of solid-propellant engines. Accelerators. Accelerating a rocket for one and a half minutes to Mach 5. Like an anti-aircraft missile. The rocket head does not have time to heat up in a minute and a half. Carriers for guided munitions in the Navy are minuscule, and even less in the Air Force. Ask the servicemen, they will explain in more detail.

                So it turned out that if for Putin SP-2 is a matter of political prestige, then for Biden it is nothing more than a bargaining chip.

                Order is order. The two Presidents have different weight categories. One is the Supreme Command of the most armed country with a large navy and air force, and the other is the Supreme Command of a regional country, with a tiny fleet and outdated small aircraft. Long live Russia! Long live Putin! Tremble NATO, Ukraine and Japan. ...
                1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
                  Volkonsky (Vladimir) 5 December 2021 22: 30
                  +3
                  Merkel has retired.

                  Merkel has done her job, and you can retire. SP-2 completed. When they launch it, Lesha Miller and I don't care. This winter he will pay for himself without even working. 4,5 billion euros - the cost of Gazprom for its construction. Gazprom has already received 2,1 billion in profit margin, and winter has not even begun yet
                  1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 December 2021 22: 50
                    -7
                    When they launch it, Lesha Miller and I don't care. This winter he will pay for himself without even working.

                    This version will be believed by the most gullible people of the younger pre-conscription age. The doctrine "They are tearing us up, but we are getting stronger, in the economy" the sale of energy resources does not work.

                    Gazprom has already received 2,1 billion in profit margin, and winter has not even begun yet

                    It does not pay off the costs incurred by Gazprom for SP-2. The power of Siberia will pay off in 80 years. The PRC has not invested a cent in its construction. This is how the Chinese have confidence in Gazprom.
                    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
                      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 5 December 2021 22: 56
                      +7
                      I see you are a great specialist on all issues, only problems with logic! Why do we need the launch of SP-2, which will bring down gas prices? Gazprom will deliver its 200 billion to Europe this year via the existing routes. Meanwhile, prices are rising! Gazprom will also arrange $ 400 under contracts to recoup SP-2 this winter

                      You don’t know anything about the Power of Siberia. It was built to diversify the European direction, and has already done its job. Now the construction of SS-2 is underway through Mongolia
                      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 December 2021 23: 10
                        -7
                        Why in all? Why the special? Expressed his opinion. Isn't this resource for this?

                        Why do we need the launch of SP-2, which will bring down gas prices? Gazprom will deliver its 200 billion to Europe this year via the existing routes.

                        Turkish Stream and SP-1, SP-2 were created to eliminate Ukrainian transit, but analysts and forecasters from Gazprom, the Russian Foreign Ministry and the Foreign Intelligence Service misunderstood the reactions of FRG officials, the reaction of the State Department, Congress, and American politicians.

                        You don’t know anything about the Power of Siberia. It was built to diversify the European direction, and has already done its job. Now the construction of SS-2 is underway through Mongolia

                        A bit like that .SS was built in order to provide gas to the PRC, and thus try to save the Far East, Eastern Siberia from the Chinese intention to return the territory. gazovom-proekte-sila-sibiri.html

                        The key project of the state-owned company Gazprom in 2020 faced colossal problems: it turned out that the volume of gas production at one of the largest fields in Russia - Chayandinskoye - was not enough to fill the Power of Siberia gas pipeline. A 30-year gas supply contract between Russia and China is in jeopardy. Gazprom runs the risk of losing more than 1,5 trillion rubles. This was due to the haste with geological exploration, systematic negligence and criminal forgery committed by the company's leaders, regular ignorance of technological violations and even the consequences of import substitution. The great Russian maybe and its horrific consequences - in the investigation of "Lenta.ru".
                      2. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
                        Volkonsky (Vladimir) 5 December 2021 23: 36
                        +8
                        how can the SS supply the PRC with gas with a capacity of 40 yards if the PRC needs 400 yards?

                        Turkish Stream and SP-1, SP-2 were created to eliminate Ukrainian transit, but analysts and forecasters from Gazprom, the Russian Foreign Ministry and the Foreign Intelligence Service misunderstood the reactions of FRG officials, the reaction of the State Department, Congress, and American politicians.

                        but in my opinion the SP-1 and TP work great, something in the manual you got some mistakes
                      3. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 00: 08
                        -8
                        If the PRC consumes gas from Gazprom for 80 years. The TP was planned for 4 pipes, and 2 were installed. Cosmonauts in Khmeimim were dropped off to dictate the gas to the Turks. it was bypassed by Azerbaijan, Iran, Qatar and Algeria. This follows a report from the Turkish energy regulator EPDK.

                        The figures in the report are simply devastating for Gazprom. In terms of LNG supplies to the Turkish market, Russia has practically caught up with the United States, which has increased its supplies by 300% this year. On the whole, compared to last year, Gazprom's supplies to Turkey decreased by 72%.
                        This news did not become a bolt from the blue. At the end of May, the Federal Customs Service (FCS) disclosed Gazprom's export data for the first quarter of 2020: it fell by 24,2% to 46,6 billion cubic meters. But the most impressive was the collapse in the third largest Russian gas market in Turkey. Gazprom's export to the country, according to the Federal Customs Service, collapsed almost sevenfold - to 0,2 billion cubic meters. This is despite the commissioning of the second Turkish Stream offshore gas pipeline in early 2020. Analysts note that, in general, Turkey consumes less for the third year in a row due to the internal economic crisis, the availability of LNG and alternative supplies from Azerbaijan.
                        Every day a Turkish LNG carrier (with a deadweight of about 40 tons) leaves the Algerian port of Arzu on its way home, not counting the supplies of propane, butane and LPG mix by Sonatrach gas carriers to the port (roadstead) of Dorthiol, near Iskanderun.
                        SP-1 harms the Third Energy Package. But it brings profit. The super task has not been solved. The Ukrainian transit has not been stopped. The main buyer of gas is against.
                      4. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
                        Volkonsky (Vladimir) 6 December 2021 01: 07
                        +1
                        Uncle, now it's not 2020, but 2021, if you haven't forgotten yet! I'm tired of communicating with a person who posts last year's news and doesn't think anything at all about gas. Those. not even zero, but minus one! I must say right away that if there is such a need, then we will stretch two more TP lines, there is such a possibility. Azerbaijan is not able to provide itself with gas - it is already buying up from Gazprom. Where to buy gas for Turkey is its own business. But by the end of this year, Gazprom is okay, so don't worry. For clarity, I will give just a couple of numbers. In September of this year, the Management Board of PJSC Gazprom summed up the results of its first eight months. According to the monopolist's report, its export to non-CIS countries during this period amounted to 131,3 billion cubic meters of gas, which is 21,3 billion cubic meters or 19,4% more than in the same period last year. In particular, the company increased its supplies to Turkey by 173,6%, to Germany by 39,3%, to Italy by 15%, to Romania by 344%, to Serbia by 123,9%, to Poland by 12%, to Bulgaria by 50,9%, to Greece by 15,8%, to Finland by 22,7%. These are record deliveries, which are only 3 billion behind the 2018 schedule, when Gazprom set a historic maximum for its pipeline gas supplies to Europe at 200,8 billion cubic meters. At the same time, Gazprom accounts for only 34% of the gas imported by Europe. Gas goes to Turkey via the Blue Stream (17 billion cubic meters) and through the TP, half of which works only to meet the needs of Turkey (another 15,75 billion cubic meters). You can fold it yourself at your leisure. No need to answer. There are already too many of you here.
                      5. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 10: 49
                        -2
                        Uncle, now it's not 2020, but 2021, if you haven't forgotten yet!

                        People are the same in responsible positions.

                        I must say right away that if there is such a need, then we will stretch two more TP lines, there is such a possibility.

                        Extremely unlikely. Or rather incredible. Where do you get these fictitious figures about the commercial success of Gazprom? Experts call the situation with the construction of the Power of Siberia gas pipeline one of the main failures of Miller's team. The project for the supply of pipeline gas to China turned out to be no longer economic, but geopolitical, and therefore completely unprofitable. The YamalPRO editors have repeatedly written about the problems with the development of the Chayandinskoye field, which is being developed by Gazprom Dobycha Noyabrsk. And Igor Krutikov, sent to the eastern front line, did not cope with the task assigned to him for the integrated development of Chayanda.

                        According to oil and gas analyst Mikhail Krutikhin, problems arose with filling the pipe to China: “We need at least 25 billion cubic meters of gas from Chayanda alone, but according to estimates, it will be less than 14 billion cubic meters. According to the expert, those who made the decision to enter the field in a hurry are to blame. In this situation, it was not without the usual sloppiness, additions and errors in the design. "

                        Problems with geological exploration and reserves appraisal are relevant not only for the Chayandinskoye field. Even greater difficulties are recorded at another resource base of Power of Siberia - the Kovykta field in the Irkutsk region.

                        Let us remind you that under the contract, Russia undertook to supply 38 billion cubic meters of blue fuel to the Celestial Empire a year, currently 7-8 billion "cubic meters" are being pumped. But it is already obvious that it will not be possible to reach the design capacity only through the development of the East Siberian cluster. Therefore, at present, Gazprom's dreamers are frantically changing the routing of the Power of Siberia-2 gas pipeline, which was originally supposed to be laid from Yamal through Altai directly to China. Now its main task will be to fill the Power of Siberia gas pipeline. For this, of course, it will be necessary to additionally lay several thousand kilometers of pipes, but when the current "effective" managers of Gazprom were stopped by the need to bury billions of rubles in the ground!
                      6. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
                        Volkonsky (Vladimir) 6 December 2021 16: 08
                        0
                        I told him about the Turkish Stream, he told me about the Power of Siberia. Typical behavior of a person who cannot even answer for his own words. Uncle, you were the one who poked me with the Turkish failure stream, and then drove off to the SS. Providing data from the coronavirus warm 2020, when the whole of Europe was filled with gas to the eyeballs in anticipation of a fight between the Russian Federation and Ukraine for a new transit contract, a favorite thing of all liberals trying to pour slop over Gazprom. And as soon as you give them the data of 2021, then immediately into the bushes. To refer to Krutikhin, who does not get off the German wave and Dozhd, is tantamount to my references, for example, to Kim Jong-un. Not even funny! Under the contract with the PRC, Gazprom is obliged to pump not 38, but 40 billion cubic meters / year through the SS. Reaching the design capacity is only possible within 5 years. All gas workers know this. But liberals pretend that the laws of physics do not concern them. Tell the Norwegians and the Dutch about the problems of our fields, who will soon run out of gas at all. And our gas will be enough for us for another 100 years. We will deal with China ourselves, without snotty!
                      7. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 16: 49
                        -3
                        Gazprom is a complex enterprise. It should be considered comprehensively, from all angles. And it has nothing to do with Putin's strikes on decision-making centers. Krutikhin knows his business, otherwise he would not have been caught by DW and Dozhd. We will not have enough gas for a hundred years. It’s good if it’s about 30 years old. It’s the PRC that will deal with us. More precisely, with our accidentally survived remnants. So what about the blows to the centers?
                  2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 10: 51
                    -3
                    According to economists, the total losses from the Power of Siberia scam may exceed 1,5 trillion rubles. However, in order to satisfy their geopolitical ambitions and desire to turn the whole world on a gas pipe, the Russian leadership does not spare trillions on new megaprojects, from which millions of Russians are neither hot nor cold - because in their homes there is still no gas and is not expected During the last press conference, Putin said that the level of gasification in Russia by 2025 will reach about 90%. However, there are big doubts that this will be done not only by 2025, but also by 2030, as the head of Gazprom, Alexey Miller, previously stated. In the past, loud promises were sounded more than once, but to this day, thousands of Russians are forced to heat their homes with firewood. Is it possible to completely gasify the country? Experts believe that at least a tenth of Russia will remain without network gas. According to the data provided by the Gas Batiushka telegram channel, gasification will require 1 trillion rubles. For comparison: over the past 15 years, Gazprom has spent less than 400 billion rubles for these purposes. But this is only half of all costs that are paid by the regions and consumers. Considering that each next percentage of gasification will cost more for objective reasons, the costs will increase by about 1,5-2 times. Meanwhile, these expenditures are not provided for in the federal budget. In Yamal, where the largest gas fields are located, the level of gasification does not even reach 50%. At the same time, Iran (the second in the world in terms of gas reserves) has brought the level of gasification in rural areas to 78%, and in cities to 96%. Turkmenistan is almost 100% gasified, despite the fact that the population of the republic received gas for a long time free of charge. In Uzbekistan, the gasification level is 85%, although the country has no more than 0,8% of the world's reserves. And Azerbaijan, having 0,6% of the world's gas, reached 92%.

                    In Russia, while Gazprom and officials continue to make plans for the total gasification of Russia, 40% of houses in rural areas are heated by stoves.
                  3. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 10: 57
                    -3
                    The unfavorable market conditions forced Gazprom to conclude not the most profitable deals. This happened with Bulgaria, which knocked out a discount of 40 percent. The comments of the republican authorities after the signing of the contract looked frankly sarcastic. Prime Minister Boyko Borisov called the new conditions a gift for the 142nd anniversary of the liberation of Bulgaria in the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-1878, and Energy Minister Temenuzhka Petkova thanked the European Commission for the fact that by her intervention she allowed to get such an excellent result. The coherent logic of the reason for the lack of gas for Europe collapses when the Russian authorities at the highest level make it clear that if Nord Stream 2 is launched right now, then there will be gas for Europe immediately. The influence of high gas prices in Europe on the situation in Russia is acknowledged even in the Kremlin. As Putin himself noted, "other unpleasant events are taking place behind this excitement." They meant both the growing distrust in gas as a reliable source of energy, which could accelerate the rejection of it, and inflation in Russia, which will certainly accelerate due to problems in Europe.
                    If the Russian authorities really wanted to teach the European Union a lesson and make them listen to themselves, then so far there is not a single sign that they have managed to get closer to their goal. At the end of October, the head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, at the plenary session of the European Parliament, called the reason for the unprecedented crisis too strong dependence on gas imports, and the way out was the diversification of suppliers and the development of alternative energy sources. Poland in September, already with gas prices out of control, confirmed that the decision not to renew the contract with Russia will not change.

                    There is no progress in the certification of Nord Stream 2, on the contrary. In mid-September, Bloomberg sources said that deliveries on the new route could begin as early as October 1. It is possible that in this way the soil was sounded in Gazprom itself, but the hint failed. The German Federal Network Agency (BNetzA) has been studying the application of the project operator for more than two months, since September 8, and on November 16 it announced that it cannot approve the registration in this form. To resolve the issue, the Swiss project operator Nord Stream 2 AG will create a subsidiary company, which will receive the assets and resources for managing the pipe in Germany. After the verdict must be approved by the European Commission, where there are many opponents of the gas pipeline, and they are able to extend the process for another four months. According to Mikhail Khanov, Managing Director of Algo Capital Investment Company, real deliveries cannot be expected until the fall of 2022. And this is provided that the demands of a group of American senators for new sanctions against the project are not implemented.
                  4. Navigator Offline Navigator
                    Navigator (Andrei) 6 December 2021 17: 32
                    +1
                    Mr. Volkonsky! When a stupid person has nothing to say, he is rude. You blame your opponent, the gunnerminer, for all sins, but your article is puzzling. You will take off your rose-colored glasses and try to look at reality with a sober look. A quote from your pearls: "There is no longer a smell of parity there. Moreover, the gap between them is only widening, and not today or tomorrow Russia and China will dictate their terms to America." Do you understand anything in military matters? Have you tried to compare the economy with the human reserves of NATO countries and ours? Asking you "in which regiment did you serve?" I don't see the point. And so everything is clear. Some hurray-patriotic slogans. And your opponent, "gunnerminer", says very sensible things and, please note, is not rude in response. I find it interesting to read his comments as opposed to yours. And I will immediately answer your future questions. I live in Russia, I have no relatives abroad. I have not received any training manuals from the State Department.
                  5. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
                    Volkonsky (Vladimir) 6 December 2021 17: 51
                    +2
                    and you don’t read me! read your miner, however, he does not write anything, only comments. Regarding my knowledge in military matters and in which regiment I served, it's not for you to judge. And regarding the advantages of the Russian Federation over the USA in hypersound, ask your miner, he will tell you. I was also interested in him for the time being, until he began to distort the facts. He's definitely here at work. It only works for our enemies. This means that we do not eat our bread in vain, if this hero was sent here. The number of the military unit and where I served - in a personal. Trust me, I have nothing to be ashamed of. But it is not customary for us to rattle with medals.
                  6. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 21: 54
                    -3
                    You are a patriot on a salary. Now it is not in vain that the Main Political Directorate has been restored. We have different concepts of patriotism. You have never served anywhere. An experienced warrior knows the value of words, and does not grimace. Moreover, an officer, even in reserve, could answer me correctly and briefly , so that my head would shake for about five minutes. You are right, that in your post they did not touch on military topics. You can reasonably discuss them. Read a little on these topics, do not service, did not strain in intelligence, and in counterintelligence, did not fly on all sound upside down, did not experience pressure drops, did not carry 45 kg sacks in the mountains, were not responsible for the equipment and for the subordinates.
                2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 21: 50
                  -4
                  Dear Navigator, I am a citizen of Russia. I live in Russia. A patriot of Russia. I am not indifferent to the fact that the population of Russia under anti-American slogans is decreasing in numbers as during hostilities. Especially the titular nation of Russia. What was the ideological authorities offered to the Russian population in order to rush with the last grenade, without a fuse, under a NATO tank?
                3. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
                  Volkonsky (Vladimir) 7 December 2021 03: 55
                  +1
                  look don’t tear the vest! where I served with such words, no one rushed, there were no patriots of Russia at all, because we swore allegiance to another country, but even in the backyard he had the Order of Friendship of Peoples (guess where I served?), we just shot people like you, the war is all will write off. So far, I can see that you are ready to break your ass for the Stars and Stripes flag. In the text under which you developed your stormy activity there is not a word against the Russian Federation, but there is also no leavened patriotism, I hate patriots who speak about it aloud and sing the Anthem of the Russian Federation to the public. Patriotism is the last refuge of villains. Normal people do not talk about it at every corner, and even more so they do not write about it in social networks, but simply, when a dashing time comes, they go to the military registration and enlistment office. What war have you been to? I suspect not. It is especially significant that all patriots of Russia, who are ready to break their ass for her, all have foreign nicknames. You don't know what, comrade. gunnerminer?
                4. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 7 December 2021 11: 19
                  -3
                  but even to the rear he had the Order of Friendship of Peoples (guess where I served?), We just shot people like you, the war will write off everything.

                  This is how the youngest pre-conscripts discuss. I suppose you did not even hold a wooden AK in your hands.

                  Normal people do not talk about it at every corner, and even more so they do not write about it in social networks, but simply, when a dashing time comes, they go to the military registration and enlistment office. What war have you been to?

                  Re-read the entire thread. If you visited at least three kilometers from the front line, you would not have written such a weed. A patriot loves his country, and respects other countries. He does not shake his dislike in front of the public.
                5. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
                  Volkonsky (Vladimir) 7 December 2021 17: 34
                  +1
                  this is the end of the conversation, you are no longer interesting to me. Where I served, it is generally not customary to talk about it. People who visited that war understood perfectly what I mean. If before that I doubted which troops you served as an officer or a soldier, now I understand that I am dealing with a couch fighter of invisible troops, who draws all his knowledge from smokers and the Internet. Yes, we have problems in the army and navy, but we will solve them ourselves, without snotty. And we have already partially decided. That is why such a squeal comes from the respected "partners" and their minions like you.
                6. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 7 December 2021 18: 28
                  -4
                  It’s not customary to talk about it at all where I served. L

                  This is not accepted anywhere. Not a supporter of personal transitions, but a bit too immature pre-conscription reasoning. Stories in the style of "I was a battalion intelligence officer in the network are ridiculous." fighter.

                  And we have already partially decided.

                  If they decided successfully, there would be no article about red lines, and Putin's warnings. They tried to solve them for 25 years in a row, but they did not achieve success in solving problems. This is evident from the great unacceptable incompleteness in the Navy, the Air Force, the Ground Forces, all categories of servicemen. This can be seen in the meager percentage of new equipment in the Air Force and in the Navy. According to the state of the Strategic Missile Forces, according to the defeated special forces brigades. According to the mobsystem that has not yet been created. The winner is the one who has a modern balanced economy, patriotic leadership, sustainable government, and not empty talk about cartoon pigs and red lines.
    2. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 6 December 2021 08: 51
      +2
      Azerbaijan, you say, has bypassed. I remember that Azerbaijan is buying gas from Gazprom to fulfill its obligations. Algeria seems to have reduced supplies. Or maybe to block it. There seems to be a smell of war there. Don't need these panic moods. There are enough of all the propellers without you.
    3. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 10: 59
      -3
      Azerbaijan helped the Turks to reduce the price of Russian gas, and the Turkish military would gain a foothold in the Caucasus. Tsarist, Stalinist, Soviet officials and generals could not have imagined this.
    4. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 6 December 2021 11: 33
      +2
      What I can’t understand. Buy gas from Gazprom. Then resell to Turks at a reduced price to bring down prices to Gazprom. Your will, Aliyev, is not seen in idiots. But my mind and life experience refuse to believe in such a situation. By the way, where is there Turks have strengthened ...? Apart from the Russian bases in Armenia and the peacekeepers in Karabakh, no outsiders were noticed there ..
    5. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 11: 38
      -3
      Aliyev uses the current position of Gazprom and the Russian Foreign Ministry. Ready to fulfill every whim of Erdogan. If only he does not block the Turkish Straits. Otherwise, he will have to drive the BDK from Murmansk, buy even more decommissioned galoshes from ship cemeteries. The length of the route of the Syrian express will increase. The crew of the BDK will spend on delivery of cargo is not 5 days, but about 25.
    6. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 6 December 2021 15: 58
      +1
      Well, you went too far about Erdogan's whims. No one really looks into his mouth. In any case, he gets the most tomatoes. Everything concerns. The stolen oil industry in Syria was blocked without any problems. His Barmaley friends are bombed. Sometimes the Turkish army gets it. Passage through the straits is regulated by international agreements.
    7. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 16: 02
      -3
      Well, you went too far about Erdogan's whims. No one looks into his mouth especially.

      For the destruction of a number of Russian aircraft and servicemen, Ambassador Karlov, he received a 20-year loan for an air defense missile system, and a nuclear power plant at a Russian expense. Oil supplies by Kurdish accomplices of the Turks do not stop for a week. on traffic routes.
    8. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 6 December 2021 16: 43
      0
      Not a single jamb goes unpunished. For the downed plane received in full. The Kurds received MANPADS. How many Turkish turntables have they been there? By the way, they didn’t use all of them. They burned out half of the Turkish leopards in competitions. By the way, they slammed the Turkish pilot who shot down Peshkov’s car. And with him a dozen flyers. The Turkish Air Force. Right in front of the porch of the General Staff. SAMs they would have bought from the Chinese. A nuclear power plant is being built on the basis of fuel from Russia. It cannot be replaced by Westinghouse. And the letter of apology was worth a lot. It was not so humiliated along the way.
    9. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 17: 18
      -4
      For the downed plane received the full. The Kurds received a man-made missile system.

      The Kurds received about five years ago a couple of pallets of light shooting from the 50s, and ammunition for it. One package. No MANPADS, for obvious reasons. Erdogan did not even make an official apology. He did not pay compensation for the dead, for the shot down aircraft. And this is millions. Aliyev did the same.

      By the way, they slammed the Turkish pilot who shot down Peshkov's car, and with him a dozen flyers of the Turkish Air Force, right in front of the steps of the General Staff.

      Even the most patriotic media do not write such tales.

      SAM they would have bought from the Chinese.

      The PRC would bend the real price, and the credit conditions would be in China's favor.

      .And the letter of apology was worth what

      Regrets and condolences were expressed to the family of Lieutenant Colonel Peshkov.
  3. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 13: 40
    -2
    Aliyev's gas is bought from Gazprom cheaply, they have their own calculations with the Turks. Believe it or not, it's your own business. But this decision influenced the price of Gazprom in favor of the Turkish favor. The Turks are taking over the Georgian economy. There is a whole Russian-Turkish observatory center stuffed with NATO intelligence officers. ...
  4. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
    Volkonsky (Vladimir) 6 December 2021 16: 31
    +3
    Uncle, I'll tell you a big secret - the more you write here and post long sheets, the less chances that you will be read to the end. I'll tell you about myself, when you appeared here, I decided, well, thank God, at least one normal military expert came, who really understands all our difficulties with the military-industrial complex, the Navy and the Armed Forces, understands complex issues, so to speak, from the inside. But when it turned out that the military expert was equally well versed in the issues of gas, ballet, space, coronavirus and pension reform, I realized that the Cossack was sent. Its task is to sow discontent in the country, to convince readers that the course taken by the leadership of the Russian Federation is wrong. Money must be taken from the rich and distributed to the poor, and then everyone will be happy. At the same time, he did not say where to get money to strengthen the army and navy, so that his overseas curators would not come to us and take everything away. Tell me, Ukraine is 100% gasified, has it become easier for its citizens? And who supplied it with gas? Really herself? No, the Soviet Union. And what areas does the Russian Federation have, how can it provide gas to Siberia and the Far East? That's right, through the SS and SS-2, SS-3, SS-4. Now tell everyone how disastrous these projects are. And at the same time tell me that it is better for the people to spend money on oil, and not on guns. Have you already earned your own oil? Are they paid in American dollars? Hopefully it’s okay? Go, report to the chief that Russia is already with one foot in the grave, and you threw a couple of your shovels there.
  5. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 16: 59
    -4
    Money must be taken from the rich and distributed to the poor, and then everyone will be happy.

    What a primitive. Facts in the studio.

    That's right, through the SS and SS-2, SS-3, SS-4.

    It would be nice to provide buyers, for five years, with the gas that will run through the SP-2.

    And at the same time tell me that it is better for the people to spend money on oil, and not on guns.

    NATO, Japan, South Korea, Singapore, USA, Great Britain, France, Taiwan know how to spend money on oil and guns. In the USSR, in Russia, in the DPRK, there is only one waste. Either guns, or oil. Because of poor economists. ...
    https://topcor.ru/21972-pushki-vmesto-masla-pochemu-v-bjudzhete-ne-nashlos-deneg-na-realnyj-sektor-jekonomiki.html
    Read the articles of your colleague Sergey Marzhetsky.

    Are they paid in American dollars? Hopefully it’s okay?

    Well, you are so impatient. There are CIA sites. MI-6 and other offices. Write, there are sociable, sociable ladies and gentlemen. They will help to resolve the issue of mortgages, loans.

    You are going to sell raw materials, and without primitive primary processing. Not export cars, not ships, not electronics, not household appliances and medicines, not military equipment. The site doneunasru stopped boasting about its plans about Skolkovo, IT, stopped lying about RUSNANO.
  6. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
    Volkonsky (Vladimir) 6 December 2021 17: 10
    0
    "You don't need to tell me what to do, then I won't tell you where to go!"

    I have no problems with a mortgage, no loans either. Purely American problems. I recognize the handwriting of the sub * indosnik. I'll go and wash my hands.
  7. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 17: 20
    -3
    I have no problems with a mortgage, no loans either

    Well, of course not! You are not paid in foreign currency, 5000 thousand USD each. !
  8. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
    Volkonsky (Vladimir) 6 December 2021 17: 22
    -1
    Uncle, do not anger God, they will erase you for a flood here, and they will also give you a ban for a month. How will you earn money?
  9. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 17: 26
    -4
    Don't worry, others will come. laughing tongue
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  12. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 6 December 2021 18: 48
    0
    Volkonsky (Vladimir). Explain to everyone who does not understand where the rich came from in Russia. Where the poor came from in Russia, who used to be rich and the country was built for them by Lenin and Stalin. The people defended the country as if they were theirs, not sparing their lives.
  13. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) 6 December 2021 21: 32
    +3
    Volkonsky (Vladimir). Explain to everyone who does not understand where the rich came from in Russia. Where the poor came from in Russia, who used to be rich and the country was built for them by Lenin and Stalin. The people defended the country as if they were theirs, not sparing their lives.

    zenion (zinovy)

    I have a good memory and remember somewhat different.



    I remember how the battalion commander was shocked after a trip to Moscow.
    His words almost literally "for whom are we pulling the strap here, for the sake of these" ??

  14. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 6 December 2021 18: 43
    +1
    gunnerminer. The president does not throw words to the wind. But the wind picks up his words and brings them to such a state that they are affected by a virus and other defective microbes. Let's pretend that everything is fine, like that beautiful marquise's, it's much safer to live and sleep. Thanks to Stalin for the happy childhood of the Soviet Union and its built defense.
  15. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
    Volkonsky (Vladimir) 6 December 2021 19: 12
    0
    lived under Stalin? I doubt! I lived under Brezhnev, I have nothing to complain about! But there were no rich people in the USSR, but there was confidence in the future, which "partners" from across the ocean are trying to take away from you, on which Comrade. gunnerminer
  16. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 19: 35
    -4
    There were quite rich and very rich in the USSR. In Central Asia, especially in Azerbaijan, Georgia, in the capital. A huge illegal turnover of gold, drugs, fur products, currency. Nobody is trying. Already taken away in the late 80s.
  17. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 19: 32
    -4
    The president does not throw words into the wind.

    May decrees, promises of invariability of the retirement age, national merged projects.
  • Vladimir Titov Offline Vladimir Titov
    Vladimir Titov (Vladimir Titov) 6 December 2021 14: 57
    -1
    If I had run for a taxi, I would have saved more :)

    If you did not build SP-2, then 4,5 euros would be in your pocket :) although they are borrowed there and you need to give them away, but what to give if SP-2 does not work? That's right, yours !!! Earned on other projects. So you could put them in your pocket, and now you have to give them to your uncle.

    So bro ...
  • gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 December 2021 22: 46
    -6
    Everything has been said about Putin's friend, a former employee of the Stasi (Stasi is the secret police of the GDR, an analogue of the KGB), and now the director of Nord Stream-2 AG.

    For the Stasi from the BND to the leadership of the KGB, as well as the operational staff of the KGB, many thanks. At the same time for the old fools M. Wolf and E. Honecker. Those who believed in the KGB comrades. Herr Schroeder personally interceded for Mr. M.
  • Vladimir Titov Offline Vladimir Titov
    Vladimir Titov (Vladimir Titov) 6 December 2021 14: 20
    +2
    The gas that had been mimicking would have been profitable even without the construction of the SP-2.
    SP-2 is not profitable and there is no need to lie.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 17: 21
      -2
      +100! It's like demanding to pay for the smell of a barbecue. They'll pay with the rustle of bills.
    2. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 6 December 2021 21: 59
      0
      SP-2 is not profitable and there is no need to lie.

      why ... and if gas flows through it, the price will fall? let it stand idle for now! here's the profit from the idle gas pipeline! and it was built for completely different purposes, about which you know better than me, only pretending to be d * urak. The result was not long in coming - Zelenskiy is already offering a 50% discount on transit through his pipe. Add that to the income from the increased price and hang yourself!
      1. Vladimir Titov Offline Vladimir Titov
        Vladimir Titov (Vladimir Titov) 9 December 2021 00: 19
        0
        This argument is that of an owl pulling on a globe.
        If gas starts to flow, it may or may not fall. It does not matter.
        If gas does not flow through it, then it does not pay off, and you have to pay regularly for loans.
  • Russian Community (Russian Community) 6 December 2021 19: 58
    +1
    wink laughing Gazprom is profitable from this
  • Russian Community (Russian Community) 6 December 2021 19: 54
    0
    laughing laughing laughing zilch in fact
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  • gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 December 2021 22: 54
    -9
    Only the American Rottweiler in this whole kennel understands that it is necessary to urgently seek compromises with the Russian bear, until he reaches an agreement with the Chinese dragon. Then it will be too late to drink Borjomi.

    The caricatures depict a bear. In real life, not a bear, but a much smaller animal, which has lost large territories, a huge part of its strike capabilities, most of the military-industrial complex, and so on.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 5 December 2021 23: 07
      -1
      the captri left for demobilization? I see a great unrealized potential, which school did you graduate from? Makarov or Nakhimova?
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 December 2021 23: 13
        -5
        Why suddenly such a change of subject? Arguments dried up? There are many different Makarovs. Makrova. There was a Makarov Higher Medical University in Vladivostok.
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Vladimir) 5 December 2021 23: 48
          0
          there is nothing to talk about with you on other topics, everywhere blah blah blah
          I mean Vladik, for LVIMU you are very literate
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 00: 09
            -6
            What is LVIMU? On the topic of your post, you left.
            1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
              Volkonsky (Vladimir) 6 December 2021 01: 13
              0
              did not try to google? Lord, with whom you have to deal! Leningrad Higher Marine Engineering School named after Admiral S.O. Makarov (now the State Medical Academy). Not even a sailor!
              1. isofat Online isofat
                isofat (isofat) 6 December 2021 10: 44
                0
                This is a journalist, hence the superficial knowledge about everything.
              2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 11: 04
                -3
                The GMA has not existed for several years now; it was merged with the former Institute of Water Transport. You google poorly. Google will not replace the head. It is now the State University of the Sea and River Fleet named after Admiral S.O. Makarov. With the victorious rivermen who devoured sailors in an unequal struggle, which immediately affected the discipline of students and the quality of training of graduates.
                1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
                  Volkonsky (Vladimir) 6 December 2021 16: 38
                  -2
                  I know that this is a river school, but you studied when it was a naval school, however, not in it, but you did not say where.
                  1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 17: 03
                    -4
                    The State University of the Sea and River Fleet does not specialize only in training personnel for the river fleet. The State Medical Academy was not a naval educational institution. There was a military department. Some graduates ended up serving in the Navy, for a couple of years. These are radio operators, very rarely navigators, even less often mechanics. Some even made a career, received higher education, as did the graduates of Korabelka who ended up in the Navy.
      2. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
        Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 6 December 2021 02: 36
        +5
        A! So is he a sailor?
        And on the screams - half-moon! Drowning! Looks like a drowned man.)
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Vladimir) 6 December 2021 05: 25
          +1
          no, he is not a sailor, he is a retired officer, thought the Navy, but it seems that he was mistaken, judging by his age, he studied under the Soviets, but he swims in educational institutions of the Navy, and they are there on the fingers of two hands, all the naval ones know them, but a lot he knows that civilians, all the more landlords, are not supposed to know. But the obvious anti-Russian bias with shouts is all gone, we are drowning, there is a place to be. I collected cons - enough for a lifetime. Why he needs it, I don’t understand. Similarly, someone's order is fulfilling. And so, an interesting interlocutor. But not under this text. Under other texts I read it, took off my hat.
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 6 December 2021 08: 12
            +5
            And so, an interesting interlocutor.

            Aha yes Until he starts to twist and fan the fan fellow
            Another point of view is good and interesting, but when you are told that a gas pipeline was built to the Chinese so that they would not take Siberia away, or they entered Syria to scare Erdogan, then talking about something in a parallel reality becomes problematic. Plus, it often operates with outdated reality.
            I got the impression that a person lives in a different information field. Surely one of the neighboring states. I bet on Ukraine yes
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 12: 29
              -2
              You needlessly neglect communication with military personnel, reading the near-war press, press releases of military districts and fleets. Your point of view would change to the opposite. From urya-patriotic to balanced realistic. You need to learn to see beyond the text, to find in the reports of Channel One and TV Zvezda useful information.
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 6 December 2021 13: 42
                +1
                You needlessly neglect communication with military personnel, reading the near-military press, press releases of military districts and fleets.
                Your point of view would change to the opposite: from the urya-patriotic to the balanced realistic.

                Weighted and realistic do you consider your point of view? In my opinion, you are exaggerating your abilities and thanks for the advice, but it does not help you much.

                You need to learn to see beyond the text, to find useful information in the reports of Channel One and TV Zvezda.

                Typical reception. When it is not possible to reasonably prove your point of view, declare your opponent a victim of the TV. In return, would you advise you not to read the Ukrainian press before dinner?
                1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 15: 27
                  -2
                  I am not interested in the Ukrainian press, there is enough Russian and British specialized.
                  1. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) 6 December 2021 17: 32
                    +1
                    I am not interested in the Ukrainian press, there is enough Russian and British specialized.

                    Did you cut the old filing in the library for kindling? smile
            2. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
              Volkonsky (Vladimir) 6 December 2021 16: 41
              -1
              no, 123, this subchik is not from Ukraine, this one is definitely your local, but works for the masters of Ukraine, jumps out of his pants. Why does he need it, I don’t understand? Fuck, I guess.
              1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 17: 23
                -4
                As Ukraine, a poverty-stricken country, worries Russian citizens, owners of the protection of Zircons, Vanguards, Poseidons.
              2. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 6 December 2021 17: 35
                +1
                no, 123, this subchik is not from Ukraine, this one is definitely your local, but works for the masters of Ukraine, jumps out of his pants. Why does he need it, I don’t understand? Fuck, I guess.

                Not sure No. However, this is not so important. As they say, you can take a girl out of the village ... The main thing is the spirit and not the place of the present (present) residence. You can change it, but the thoughts are where ...
            3. Leon68 Offline Leon68
              Leon68 (Leon) 8 December 2021 22: 42
              -1
              Quote: 123
              Aha Until he starts to twist and fan the fan
              Another point of view is good and interesting, but when you are told that a gas pipeline was built to the Chinese so that they would not take Siberia away, or they entered Syria to scare Erdogan, then talking about something in a parallel reality becomes problematic. Plus, it often operates with outdated reality.

              good
          2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 11: 09
            -2
            There are no separate naval schools and academies in the military education system. Through the efforts of the Serdyukovsky Amazons Fraltsova and Priezzheva, there is now one VUNC of the Navy. With ruins of buildings. Especially in the unsightly state of the buildings of the former schools named after Frunze, on line 13 of Vasilievsky Island in the Northern capital. And the building of the former VMUPP named after Lenkom, on Lermontovsky Prospekt. Broken windows. crows and doves fly, crumbling walls, fallen roofs.
  • IMHO Offline IMHO
    IMHO (nikitoss) 6 December 2021 07: 36
    +3
    We are allowed to sell our gas, timber, oil, and we are happy. For they are no longer interesting for anything, unfortunately. What has not yet been sold will be sold, as it was sold in the 90s, to the next generation of figures. And all this talk about power and red lines is for the patriots who believe and fill their Patriots with the newly risen gasoline.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 6 December 2021 08: 22
      +1
      We are allowed to sell our gas, timber, oil, and we are happy. For they are no longer interesting for anything, unfortunately.

      And what do you think we should be of interest to them? Should they let us sell something else? What you call allow is, in fact, something that is difficult for them to do without.
      Okay, oil, do we supply gas and timber to the USA? Have you looked at the trade turnover between the United States and Russia?
      1. Vladimir Titov Offline Vladimir Titov
        Vladimir Titov (Vladimir Titov) 6 December 2021 15: 19
        +2
        And what do you think we should be of interest to them? Should they let us sell something else?

        In order for the state to grow rich, it is necessary to produce something. If you have not read Adam Smith, then at least read Pushkin.
        The Russian Federation supplies to the world market mainly either raw materials (oil, gas, timber) or a product of primary processing (metals, fertilizers, oil and coal, chemistry).
        RF does not supply products of higher processing levels, or it supplies very little.
        Therefore, it is extremely important for us not to lose these sales markets, otherwise the standard of living will drop dramatically and there will be no opportunity to somehow develop high-tech industries.

        But we are extremely interesting to them. It was for this that the USSR was destroyed. High-tech western products completely cover our market. For example, planes, engines, electronics, cars, machine tools, etc.

        As you know, the higher the level of processing, the higher the price of the goods. Think about who and why you need it.

        Your words about trade with the United States are just a distortion of the words of the previous commentator.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 6 December 2021 17: 30
          +2
          In order for the state to grow rich, it is necessary to produce something. If you have not read Adam Smith, then at least read Pushkin.
          Your words about trade with the United States are just a distortion of the words of the previous commentator.

          Thank you very much for the short introduction to the housekeeper hi
          Only it was not a jerk, but a question to that very commentator yes
          It is not entirely clear why you started talking about the global market. request In my opinion, we are talking about the United States. Or does Euroax have their own decision-making centers?
        2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 17: 32
          -3
          You are correct and accurate in your conclusions.
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 6 December 2021 17: 38
            +2
            You are correct and accurate in your conclusions.

            Don't suck up repeat
            1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
              Volkonsky (Vladimir) 6 December 2021 17: 57
              +1
              123, you explain to him that the less he writes, the more he is read here. There was too much of it. Like he's here at work.
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 6 December 2021 17: 59
                +2
                123, you explain to him that the less he writes, the more he is read here. There was too much of it. Like he's here at work.

                What is it to me? request Let him write. Maybe a person is boiling yes Well, or let him earn.
      2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 17: 25
        -3
        Gas (methane) is supplied from Sabetta through gas traders. Russia in 2019 sharply increased the supply of oil and petroleum products to the United States, becoming the second exporter of energy resources to this country after Canada.

        https://www.rbc.ru/business/06/02/2020/5e3a80649a794714280d7303
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 6 December 2021 17: 56
          +2
          Gas (methane) is supplied from Sabetta through gas traders. Russia in 2019 sharply increased the supply of oil and petroleum products to the United States, becoming the second exporter of energy resources to this country after Canada.

          Why are you talking about oil? The question is about gas. The fact that they broke the pots of Venezuela and are forced to buy oil from Russia is not a secret. And they snatch Russian gas to their shabby European partners.
          The trade turnover between the countries in the same 2019 was 26,6 billion, exports were 13,2 billion, imports were 13,4 billion.With Belarus, even more. 35,4 billion
          https://dit-trade-vis.azurewebsites.net/?reporter=643&type=C&year=2019&flow=2&commodity
          In general, ugh, not partners. Tomorrow the Stalin Strait will be formed, our economy will not notice the loss of a soldier.
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 19: 29
            -4
            Here is about Putin's blow to NATO decision-making centers. The sale of methane to traders by NOVATEK contributes to the fact that the United States sells methane to Southeast Asia, and to the PRC, at exorbitant prices.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 6 December 2021 20: 13
              +3
              Here about Putin's strike on NATO decision-making centers

              What am I talking about? Brussels is just a bureaucratic office. Center overseas. NATO is nothing without the United States.

              The sale of methane to traders by NOVATEK contributes to the fact that the United States sells methane to Southeast Asia, and to the PRC, at exorbitant prices.

              And why not sell gas to NOVATEK in spite of grandmother? Americans spit on the needs of their European slaves. If NOVATEK stops selling gas to Europeans, will American gas carriers turn to Europe? You have the manners of the forelock Svidomo, all over the extreme in Russia to look.
              1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 21: 31
                -3
                What am I talking about? Brussels is just a bureaucratic office. Center overseas. NATO is nothing without the United States.

                The United States has someone to shove in the dirty back of the head for a fight. Russia is like a birch tree in a field, alone. Even without reliable companions. Even neutral Finns, Swiss and Swedes have designated their places at the hegemon's shoe. American LNGs will turn to where there will be the greatest profit. And for that to placate Erdogan, the president of a regional country.
                1. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 7 December 2021 03: 42
                  +2
                  The United States has someone to shove in the dirty back of the head to fight. Russia is like a birch tree in a field, alone, even without reliable companions.

                  What's the difference? They will get a bit of a meal from the United States; they won't be able to sit behind the backs of the slaves.
                  And fellow travelers will find whose boot they lean against.
                  1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 7 December 2021 11: 14
                    -2
                    Do not boast when you go to the army. Boast when you go from the army. There you will see who will receive and who will give.
                    1. 123 Offline 123
                      123 (123) 7 December 2021 12: 28
                      +1
                      Do not boast when you go to the army. Boast when you go from the army. There you will see who will receive and who will give.

                      Golden words good I will remind you of them on occasion, when you will once again tell how strong NATO is and what it will do to a weak Russia yes
                      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 7 December 2021 13: 08
                        -2
                        So what about hitting the decision-making centers, who will control the blows, what will they hit, what is the ammunition consumption per day?
                      2. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 7 December 2021 13: 10
                        +1
                        So what about hitting the decision-making centers, who will control the blows, what will they hit, what is the ammunition consumption per day?

                        Read on the forum, ask the servicemen yes
                      3. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 7 December 2021 13: 16
                        -2
                        Competent balanced answer.
  • Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 6 December 2021 08: 41
    0
    Quote: gunnerminer
    and the other is the Supreme Command of a regional country, with a tiny fleet and outdated small aircraft.

    Are the Su-34, Su-35, Su 30 and 27 plus flashes old? And also drones, helicopters, or do we not take this into account?
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 11: 16
      -4
      Are the Su-34, Su-35, Su 30 and 27 plus flashes old? And also drones, helicopters, or do we not take this into account?

      Old Su-34. It lights up on NATO radars like a bonfire in the night steppe. Expensive and difficult to maintain. As Khmeimim showed. Besides, they are few, given the size of the country and military districts.

      Su-35, Su 30 and 27

      They do not have radars with AFAR, they are not made of composites, they are not inconspicuous like Rafali and the F-35. The Russian Armed Forces do not have a heavy-type UAV. They have just begun production of a medium-sized UAV Orion. Orlan-10 with a Japanese engine, with American electronics, without the possibility of transmitting information in real time. The outpost is an Israeli imperfection 45 years ago.
      1. IMHO Offline IMHO
        IMHO (nikitoss) 6 December 2021 12: 53
        0
        Summary: the king is naked ...
        And so in all areas.
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 13: 36
          -2
          Unfortunately, and a lot of money and time to convince the population of the opposite.
      2. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
        gorenina91 (Irina) 6 December 2021 17: 35
        -2
        We have just begun the production of a medium-sized UAV Orion Orlan-10 with a Japanese engine, with American electronics, without the possibility of transmitting information in real time. The outpost is an Israeli imperfection 45 years ago.

        - My pluses for all your comments on the topic ...
        - It just becomes very, very alarming - due to the fact that many simply do not really understand (or "fulfill their mission") ...
        - They have both "Turkish Stream" and "Power of Siberia" - all are "profitable" ... - And even SP-2; which does not work - but has already "paid for itself" ... - This is some kind of absurd theater ...
        - It's just getting scary ...
        - Grown people already "come in" ...
        - We would go and ask Norway - how is it out of the blue - pulled out its country on gas supplies ...
        - And how Turkmenistan flew in - which with its "Power of Turkmenistan" - falls more and more into poverty ...
        - Russia is so eager to become like Turkmenistan - that in many ways it has already succeeded ...
        - My pluses ...
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 19: 25
          -2
          In Norway, trade in oil and gas was not accompanied by outrageous theft and cutting of the state budget. Norway has a huge merchant fleet, especially tanker. The world famous shipping company Stolt Nilsen, with its slogan "We carry such goods that other charterers refuse." After the collapse of the USSR, we sold for a penny our gas carriers of the Latvian Shipping Company, the Black Sea Shipping Company, the famous gas carriers Lensovet and Mossovet. They brought a stable income on the transportation of ammonia from the port of Yuzhny to the USA. For the Hammer Occidental Petroleum. Oil tankers flew to the same place. Five years ago, finally managed to bankrupt the famous Murmansk Shipping Company, it resisted the longest. The Far Eastern Shipping Company had 350 ships before bankruptcy. They provided, among other things, the northern delivery. And could be a source of reservists for command personnel at KTOF.
          Norwegian oligarchs, patriotic property owners, thinking about Norwegians. Do not live in the United Kingdom, in the USA or in France.
          1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
            gorenina91 (Irina) 6 December 2021 19: 32
            -2
            - Yes, they sold all the shipping companies - but the oligarchs remained ... - It would be better - the opposite is true ... - Alas ...
            - My plus ...
  • Essex62 Offline Essex62
    Essex62 (Alexander) 6 December 2021 10: 20
    +2
    And before these attacks on the decision-making centers, the fighters and the rest of the backbones, their children, quietly, will be able to take out to the Russian Federation? Wouldn't they understand what they are giving away now? Rave. We can only answer halfway when it will fly to our cities. And most likely this is the lot of not a living hand
  • Vladimir Titov Offline Vladimir Titov
    Vladimir Titov (Vladimir Titov) 6 December 2021 14: 16
    0
    About breathing in incense its Stars and Stripes leader, I just keep silent. Sleepy Joe is not only the president of this colossus with feet of clay, which no longer produces anything but green dollar bills, but also a tracing of the state of affairs within this former hegemon himself.

    There is nothing more stupid than underestimating your opponent.
    In addition to the largest army in the world, the states still have control over all the cash flows of the world.
    They will put as many bases in Ukraine as they want and we will not be able to prevent this.
    Because if at least one Russian tank or plane crosses the border with this misunderstanding, then the Russian Federation will be thrown out of the oil and gas markets, as a consequence of the global financial market.
    gigImon demands obedience and he will achieve it ... as he has been striving for for the last 130 years.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 6 December 2021 16: 48
      0
      gigImon demands obedience and he will achieve it ... as he has been striving for for the last 130 years.

      in 1891, the USA was a shabby former British colony that few people in the world knew about. It will be the same in 2051. Knowing this, Biden grieves. Nobody will need his green papers in 15 years.
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 17: 31
        -3
        The United States is progressing, it has jumped from a colony into a hegemon, while modern Russia is progressing only in the export of raw materials, and in outright failures with its neighbors, the former Soviet republics.

        Nobody will need his green papers in 15 years.

        Russian owners, property owners, security officials (not only golden toilets), State Duma deputies, senators in the Federation Council will really need it. And the State Department guesses about it. Old man Brzezinski spoke about this fact, about the elite, about a nuclear briefcase.
      2. Vladimir Titov Offline Vladimir Titov
        Vladimir Titov (Vladimir Titov) 9 December 2021 00: 32
        +1
        Your history is really bad.
        No USA has ever existed.
        in 1891 the United States (USA) was an independent state with a highly developed economy.
        You don't know what will happen in 2051.
        Biden is old, he doesn't care.
        Americans have been successfully wriggling out of various crises for a hundred fucking years, creating them in other places.
        But they cannot fulfill their task of the collapse of Russia for a hundred years ... not the fact that they will, but the situation for us now is extremely dumb,
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Vladimir) 9 December 2021 08: 58
          -1
          The North American United States is a federation of 47 states and 5 territories, each of which is divided into counties. Settlements within counties are governed by urban municipalities, and rural areas can be subdivided into townships.

          Lord, and these people are teaching me life ?!
          1. Vladimir Titov Offline Vladimir Titov
            Vladimir Titov (Vladimir Titov) 13 December 2021 10: 48
            0
            It’s useless to teach you about life.
            Read the Stalinist encyclopedia less.
            Americans never seem to have called themselves that.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_United_States#United_States_of_America
  • Tektor Offline Tektor
    Tektor (Tektor) 6 December 2021 17: 47
    +2
    The Soviet Union lost the Cold War. And fell apart. Russia is simply concentrated within its borders. And he calls on the West not to make fatal mistakes.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 December 2021 19: 37
      -2
      The collapse of the USSR was an intermediate goal; the collapse of Russia into warring Bantustans was the ultimate goal.
    2. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
      ivan2022 (ivan2022) 7 December 2021 17: 32
      +2
      Quote: Tektor
      The Soviet Union lost the Cold War. And fell apart. Russia is simply concentrated within its borders. And he calls on the West not to make fatal mistakes.

      I remember the old old joke about the "250th Chinese warning".
      Now we are reminiscent of the China of those times.

      Let's clarify the wording. The Soviet Union is not a person. As is Russia. This is a form of government. And he could not "lose" anything. In fact, it was the Russian people who lost the Cold War. Couldn't nominate worthy leaders out of more than 100 million. All turned out to be corrupt. They profiled their country to the bone in order to live "like white people in the West." This is how it will be more true !!
      Now it is more difficult for us to resist the forces of the West by the same factor as the share of our state in world GDP has decreased. That is, about once every five or six!
      This is the real reason that the diplomats of the Russian Foreign Ministry can only "urge" and express dashing theses ... If 10 years ago the President said: "you have to be strong, the weak are beaten", now all that remains is to "warn".
  • Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 9 December 2021 07: 28
    +1
    Quote: gunnerminer
    Su-34 is old. It glows on NATO radars like a bonfire in the night steppe. Expensive and difficult to maintain. As Khmeimim showed

    I'll tell you a secret, the ultramodern f-35 also glows on the radar like a Christmas tree, not only is it the most expensive in the world to maintain, plus it's a modern shit with a hundred bugs that must be fixed.
  • zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 14 December 2021 20: 50
    0
    They used to throw hats, now they will throw dumplings.